Public attitude

[sir.pratt]

What is it with public attitude nowadays? Here I was, at a mate's funeral today, heaps of us there in uniform, and this dickhead on a Suzuki pulls up in the middle of the day, spot lights blaring. I suggest to him that they are a bit bright, and that they don't look like they are aligned properly.

He sneers and grumbles and carries on at me. Bloody hell, I was only giving him a gentle warning! He better hope he doesn't see me when I'm on the motorway of he'll be in for it.

You'd think some people could just take their warning and live with it.

[ManDownUnder]

a ha... ha... h..

...whatever...

[judgeshock]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Classic as :Police:

[Sniper]

Very amusing. Ithink there might be some stirring going on here relating to This (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=23936)

[MidnightMike]

Bwaha thats exactly hat i was thinking :rofl:

[vs04]

What is it with public attitude nowadays? Here I was, at a mate's funeral today, heaps of us there in uniform, and this dickhead on a Suzuki pulls up in the middle of the day, spot lights blaring. I suggest to him that they are a bit bright, and that they don't look like they are aligned properly.

He sneers and grumbles and carries on at me. Bloody hell, I was only giving him a gentle warning! He better hope he doesn't see me when I'm on the motorway of he'll be in for it.

You'd think some people could just take their warning and live with it.
So you,re saying that even at a mates funeral you,re still on the job.

[skelstar]

Nice. Greened.

[James Deuce]

So you're based in Wellington then?

[sir.pratt]

One of the 'joys' of the job, is that you're always on the job. Just look who it is that steps up to the mark at a crash scene, at a fight, at a kid drowning etc, it's often an off-duty cop.

[Matt Bleck]

Shit, lucky he didn't blind you.....:rofl:

[vs04]

One of the 'joys' of the job, is that you're always on the job. Just look who it is that steps up to the mark at a crash scene, at a fight, at a kid drowning etc, it's often an off-duty cop.
Crash scenes etc i understand, but bright lights at a mates funeral.Both my brothers are cops, it,s only a 24 hour job if you choose it to be.

[pyrocam]

one word
ZING

[Blackbuell]

What is it with public attitude nowadays? Here I was, at a mate's funeral today, heaps of us there in uniform, and this dickhead on a Suzuki pulls up in the middle of the day, spot lights blaring. I suggest to him that they are a bit bright, and that they don't look like they are aligned properly.

He sneers and grumbles and carries on at me. Bloody hell, I was only giving him a gentle warning! He better hope he doesn't see me when I'm on the motorway of he'll be in for it.

You'd think some people could just take their warning and live with it.

Get a life mate,my 2 best mates are cops,both been in the force for 20 years,they just read your post,they are calling you a dickhead,i just think you have posted this to Sh## Stir:Punk:

[sir.pratt]

you think?....

[Finn]

One of the 'joys' of the job, is that you're always on the job. Just look who it is that steps up to the mark at a crash scene, at a fight, at a kid drowning etc, it's often an off-duty cop.

I thought that was superman.

[Patrick]

read the other thread from headlight boy... He didn't like ya warning? He Knows what will happen next time then????? Probably start another thread moaning about it too...yawn....:whocares:

[terbang]

Pratt you are on the ball mate and next funeral you go to perhaps you can set up a road block outside the church and duck out to breath test drivers during the service. Don't forget to leave that radar going during the precession to the cemetery you never know how many you will get..!

[froggyfrenchman]

this is just bloody classic!

[James Deuce]

Terbang has a point. How about at the wake wandering around warning people who are drinking that they better not drive.

[Coyote]

I think it would've been best if you had just let him be. You obviously ruined his day and now he's gonna bitch about it to everyone

[Hitcher]

It's posts like these that keep one coming back to Kiwibiker! A classic case of there being (at least) two sides to every story. Ha ha!

[Zed]

Weren't you taught not to talk to strangers? If you do they might offend you!

On the other hand, you can't reason with irresponsible people! :no:

[Lou Girardin]

It sounds like the bright lights did their job. Got him noticed.
I wonder if they'll work on the cagers that; eat breakfast, read papers, put on make up even as they pass a cop. (who does nothing about it)

[Motu]

It will if they have poorly adjusted driving lights on in the daytime....he was driving Lou,nothing said about riding a bike.

[Grahameeboy]

It's posts like these that keep one coming back to Kiwibiker! A classic case of there being (at least) two sides to every story. Ha ha!

Don't ewes mean 2 sites to every story??

[oldrider]

I thought this was just a piss take. If it's real I think it is even funnier.
Never laughed like this for a long time.
Real life is funnier than fiction any time.:doh: Cheers John.

[Grahameeboy]

I thought this was just a piss take. If it's real I think it is even funnier.
Never laughed like this for a long time.
Real life is funnier than fiction any time.:doh: Cheers John.

lol.....the main thing is that you are laughing 'Oldrider'...........:motu:

[vs04]

Pratt you are on the ball mate and next funeral you go to perhaps you can set up a road block outside the church and duck out to breath test drivers during the service. Don't forget to leave that radar going during the precession to the cemetery you never know how many you will get..!
Yeah.Or what about checking the herse for currant rego and warrant he could get lucky.

[Hitcher]

Don't ewes mean 2 sites to every story??
No. (10 characters)

[Lou Girardin]

It will if they have poorly adjusted driving lights on in the daytime....he was driving Lou,nothing said about riding a bike.

It was said he was "on a Suzuki", now he may well have been sitting on the roof of a Vitara, in which case he should be hung.

[sir.pratt]

I thought all suzuki drivers/riders were (well) hung?

Especially if their steed is over 1000cc!

[Finn]

I thought all suzuki drivers/riders were (well) hung?

Especially if their steed is over 1000cc!

Apparenty not. WINJA has an inverted willy.

[Grahameeboy]

Apparenty not. WINJA has an inverted willy.

Where does it invert too I wonder??

[Finn]

Where does it invert too I wonder??

I WILL NOT MAKE FUN OF WINJA'S DISABILITY. HE'S A MATE!

[Lou Girardin]

I thought all suzuki drivers/riders were (well) hung?

Especially if their steed is over 1000cc!

You obviously missed the thread - the bigger the bike, the smaller the dick.
(I'm countersunk)

[Motu]

It was said he was "on a Suzuki", now he may well have been sitting on the roof of a Vitara, in which case he should be hung.

Ahhh,I'm getting confused (aren't we all?) the original post on the ''other'' thread says he was driving and no mention of a bike at all,and what sort of bike has ''spots'',plural? - why doesn't a mod put both threads into the bin,we are commenting on highly suspect first posts.

[Lou Girardin]

Try replying to the thread you're reading, it's a lot easier for us old folks.
The Suzuki could have passing lights like a Hardley

[snuffles]

Ahhh,I'm getting confused (aren't we all?) the original post on the ''other'' thread says he was driving and no mention of a bike at all,and what sort of bike has ''spots'',plural? - why doesn't a mod put both threads into the bin,we are commenting on highly suspect first posts.

I do have 2 x spots on the front, see the picture tommorrow

[Grahameeboy]

I WILL NOT MAKE FUN OF WINJA'S DISABILITY. HE'S A MATE!

Righto.......nice to know he does have some mates that support him though

[Rashika]

You obviously missed the thread - the bigger the bike, the smaller the dick.
(I'm countersunk)
hmmmm.... maybe THATS my problem?? :shit: :thud:

[Lou Girardin]

hmmmm.... maybe THATS my problem?? :shit: :thud:

According to NC, it works the same for chicks. She has a 400.

[Scouse]

Where does it invert too I wonder??
Sounds like yer interested

[Skyryder]

Yeah.Or what about checking the herse for currant rego and warrant he could get lucky.

Pratt would probably book the stiff for not wearing a seatbelt.

Skyryder

[Drew]

Yep, truely is funny when people take the piss, and others cant tell.:rofl:
A quick question for the fuzz amongst us, how do the accountants hide a day when heaps of you revenew gatherers are off doing other stuff? Must make the days takings look right shite if they dont hide it.

[Finn]

Yep, truely is funny when people take the piss, and others cant tell.:rofl:
A quick question for the fuzz amongst us, how do the accountants hide a day when heaps of you revenew gatherers are off doing other stuff? Must make the days takings look right shite if they dont hide it.

Yeah like my thread about advice to the scooter klan. Yeah, boy is it funny. There sure are some uptight people out there.

[Drew]

Yeah like my thread about advice to the scooter klan. Yeah, boy is it funny. There sure are some uptight people out there.
How about you go have a wee cry about it, and get back to us in the morning.
My bad, thought you were having a go at poor slow vespa dude who dont pay attension.

[Finn]

My bad, thought you were having a go at poor slow vespa dude who dont pay attension.

I was you clown.

[vs04]

Pratt would probably book the stiff for not wearing a seatbelt.

Skyryder
Now that was funny.

[jimbo600]

Yep, truely is funny when people take the piss, and others cant tell.:rofl:
A quick question for the fuzz amongst us, how do the accountants hide a day when heaps of you revenew gatherers are off doing other stuff? Must make the days takings look right shite if they dont hide it.

Jeez bro it's about getting the road toll down not revenue. Saving us from ourselves.

[R1madness]

Sounds like a TYPICAL cop attitude to me. Anything to make themselves feel big. If i have a bad day who cares? Not them. One gave me a ticket for not displaying a rego and wof sticker on my Car after some asshole had broken the front window and ripped off my stereo. I had called it in 10 minutes earlier and was told "sorry we have noone to attend as all patrols are busy Please go to your nearest station and report it" The next cop is saw had time to pull me over and hassel me for 15 minutes about the legality of driving without a windscreen and not displaying a current wof and rego. Assholes. See ya in court. They will probibly win as i was quite rude to them about it but i dont care. If i take it to court then they will both have to attend. That takes 2 tax collectors off the road for a couple of hours. Well worth the extra money.
I have no respect for the new breed of tax collectors. They are just govt tax collecting puppets that cant even get taxi directions right.

[scumdog]

Sounds like a TYPICAL cop attitude to me. Anything to make themselves feel big. If i have a bad day who cares? Not them. One gave me a ticket for not displaying a rego and wof sticker on my Car after some asshole had broken the front window and ripped off my stereo. I had called it in 10 minutes earlier and was told "sorry we have noone to attend as all patrols are busy Please go to your nearest station and report it" The next cop is saw had time to pull me over and hassel me for 15 minutes about the legality of driving without a windscreen and not displaying a current wof and rego. Assholes. See ya in court. They will probibly win as i was quite rude to them about it but i dont care. If i take it to court then they will both have to attend. That takes 2 tax collectors off the road for a couple of hours. Well worth the extra money.
I have no respect for the new breed of tax collectors. They are just govt tax collecting puppets that cant even get taxi directions right.

Have a nice day!:laugh:

[judgeshock]

Absolutely brilliant scumdog

[R1madness]

You see if just one of you cops had said "shit man that sucks" maybe i might have a reason to think i might just be wrong, but NOOOOOOOooooo you pricks all just have a laugh and think i deserved it. Well guess what. I was quite calm about it until he pulled out his ticket book. Then i thought FUCK YOU PIG if you are going to write me up you might as well have a reason to so i told him what i thought of him, his partner and his mother. See ya in couirt fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[judgeshock]

Fantastic R1, have a nice day

[R1madness]

You know a few years ago a cop (off duty but they identified him) was getting a kicking by a group of people in a pub. A couple of us that were there on bikes got involved to help him out even though we were outnumbered 4 to one. We got a kicking and a half. Both of us ended up in hospital but the cop managed to get out alive. I felt great about that. Would i put myself in hospital for a cop now? I wonder........

[Lou Girardin]

Fantastic R1, have a nice day

It was funnier when Scummy said it.
I guess it's how you tell 'em.

[judgeshock]

The difference is I wasn't trying to be funny, we all leave that up to you Lou:moon:

[Lou Girardin]

The difference is I wasn't trying to be funny, we all leave that up to you Lou:moon:

Ooooh, now THAT'S made me straighten up and fly right.

[judgeshock]

GOOD :killingme

[R1madness]

Man was i in a bitchy mood this morning or what. Look, I dont really have a problem with the guys and girls that do a GREAT job in the force. Its just that you guys stick together even when you are wrong. Thats fine, there is nothing like trusting your brothers to back you up but come on.....

We are not all scum, should not all be treated like it, and are likely to fight back however we can when we are treated like that. I am a (mostly) law abiding person. Family man, nice guy, honest and helpful as well but when you lot are mean to me just for the sake of revenue raising what do you expect. Sure give me a ticket when i am speeding (i mean speeding not doing 107k in a 100k zone). I will probibly even manage to have a laugh with ya about finally being caught. But Rape my pocket over nothing and i will rape you back even if the worst i can do is verbilise my displeasure and tie you up in court for a day. Shit i got pleanty of time to waste. How about you?

[Grahameeboy]

Man was i in a bitchy mood this morning or what. Look, I dont really have a problem with the guys and girls that do a GREAT job in the force. Its just that you guys stick together even when you are wrong. Thats fine, there is nothing like trusting your brothers to back you up but come on.....

We are not all scum, should not all be treated like it, and are likely to fight back however we can when we are treated like that. I am a (mostly) law abiding person. Family man, nice guy, honest and helpful as well but when you lot are mean to me just for the sake of revenue raising what do you expect. Sure give me a ticket when i am speeding (i mean speeding not doing 107k in a 100k zone). I will probibly even manage to have a laugh with ya about finally being caught. But Rape my pocket over nothing and i will rape you back even if the worst i can do is verbilise my displeasure and tie you up in court for a day. Shit i got pleanty of time to waste. How about you?

I see your point although you had a good case and better to say what you think in Court and maybe show the Officer in a bad light then cause now you will be up against it....mind you could just apologies for outburst and explain that you were pissed off after the theft....human nature and all that.

Remember even if the likes of Scumdog agree with you are they really gonna say so on a Public forum........I reckon Scumdog is fair and reasonable guy.

[mstriumph]

One of the 'joys' of the job, is that you're always on the job. Just look who it is that steps up to the mark at a crash scene, at a fight, at a kid drowning etc, it's often an off-duty cop.
do you take bookings for drowning kids? <_<

[R1madness]

Yep thats true. If i appoligise i will probibly be able to plead my case a little better but i am not going to. I have been wronged and i am not going to beg for mercy. I will put my case forward warts and all. I am prepared for a further charge of (basicly) abusing an officer (as i have been threatened with by the prosecuter) I do not expect to get off. Nor do i expect a reduction in the fine ($600 so far). I expect to have to pay costs of about the same as the fine. So $1200 because someone broke into my car and some cop didn't like my haircut sounds about right dont you think. Oh yea and the excess of $250 as well. Its not like i was driving a shitter. it was a 97 Skyline in mint condition (except for the windscreen and dash)

I was ok with the fact some lowlife had ripped me off. Thats what they do. Its why i have insurance. I was not ok about being treated poorly by a (un)Civil Servent wearing a uniform.

[mstriumph]

................................

We are not all scum, should not all be treated like it, and are likely to fight back however we can when we are treated like that. I am a (mostly) law abiding person. Family man, nice guy, honest and helpful as well but when you lot are mean to me just for the sake of revenue raising what do you expect. Sure give me a ticket when i am speeding (i mean speeding not doing 107k in a 100k zone)............................

i just got a ticket for doin 7 kays over de limit ........ i'm scum ...


... don't know HOW i live with meself ... *sigh*:corn:

[R1madness]

Yes you are sorry.

[Grahameeboy]

Yep thats true. If i appoligise i will probibly be able to plead my case a little better but i am not going to. I have been wronged and i am not going to beg for mercy. I will put my case forward warts and all. I am prepared for a further charge of (basicly) abusing an officer (as i have been threatened with by the prosecuter) I do not expect to get off. Nor do i expect a reduction in the fine ($600 so far). I expect to have to pay costs of about the same as the fine. So $1200 because someone broke into my car and some cop didn't like my haircut sounds about right dont you think. Oh yea and the excess of $250 as well. Its not like i was driving a shitter. it was a 97 Skyline in mint condition (except for the windscreen and dash)

I was ok with the fact some lowlife had ripped me off. Thats what they do. Its why i have insurance. I was not ok about being treated poorly by a (un)Civil Servent wearing a uniform.

Can't you just swallow your pride..........better chance of at least reducing fine because if you rant and rave you just walk into their hands again and if you don't they may be caught off guard..........I tell you what if you promise to be good I will buy you a few beers......

[R1madness]

Na man i dont drink. In fact some times pride is all we have left to get us thru the day. Why should i give that up?

[Grahameeboy]

Na man i dont drink. In fact some times pride is all we have left to get us thru the day. Why should i give that up?

Nor do I bugger.....but you are not giving up cause you are defending which is the important thing which suggests that you would really love to win so why rant and rave when you otherwise at least have a chance of winning and at least leave the Court with your head high......okay make it 8 bottles of 'V'....don't see any pride in ranting and raving......arh fuckit.....I am on a looser ain't I?

Good luck

[Rashika]

i just got a ticket for doin 7 kays over de limit ........ i'm scum ...


... don't know HOW i live with meself ... *sigh*:corn:
damn.... girl.... bloody glad i dont live over that way then! :pinch:

[vs04]

do you take bookings for drowning kids? <_<
It,s funny when they [not all]can step up to the mark at a crash scene, fight, or drowning when off duty but can,t seem to find the time to haul their ass around to your house when you,ve had a break in when they are on duty.All rise for Sir Pratt.

[WINJA]

One of the 'joys' of the job, is that you're always on the job. Just look who it is that steps up to the mark at a crash scene, at a fight, at a kid drowning etc, it's often an off-duty cop.
ARE YOU TRYING TO GIVE YOURSELF A PAT ON THE BACK OR SOMETHING ,REALLY WHO GIVES A FUCK, ALL I KNOW IS IF I GET ROBBED YOU WONT TURN UP AND IF IM DOING 110KMH AT THE END OF A PASSING LANE TO SAFELY COMPLETE THE MANOUVRE I WILL GET A TICKET . HOPE MY TAX DOLLARS WERENT WASTED AT THAT FUNERAL

[vs04]

Is Sir Pratt trying to give us the impression that when one is of duty one then patrols the streets,highways and waterways so one can step up to the mark.Fucking bollocks.:tugger:

[R1madness]

Nor do I bugger.....but you are not giving up cause you are defending which is the important thing which suggests that you would really love to win so why rant and rave when you otherwise at least have a chance of winning and at least leave the Court with your head high......okay make it 8 bottles of 'V'....don't see any pride in ranting and raving......arh fuckit.....I am on a looser ain't I?

Good luck

Thanks G. Yea i know i will get further if i grovel and prostrate myself before the judge/JP and the police but that is not what i am about. The money doesnt bother me. Not that i have heaps, its just i would rather be able to walk out of the court knowing that i have defended myself against the odds. Even if i get a beating i dont really care. There is nothing more satisfying than standing up for something you know is right, getting kicked down by the powers or the odds and still having the courage to try to stand up again.

I have a copy of the police report, the officers notes, my call to the police call center, witness statements (the cop didn't even notice i had someone in the car i dont think), My WOF papers from that time, a copy of the rego cert, etc. None of this will make any difference tho because i was charged with "failing to display a current WOF and Failing to display a current Rego". apparently it doesn't matter that it was regoed and wofed at the time. They were not stuck to the vehicle in the approved place.

I will save the ranting for after the JP has slapped me with the $600 costs, then i am prepared to spend a couple of days in the cells for what i will say.
At least then i will get something for my money..... hotels are expensive... HAHAHA

[terbang]

You see if just one of you cops had said "shit man that sucks" maybe i might have a reason to think i might just be wrong, but NOOOOOOOooooo you pricks all just have a laugh and think i deserved it. Well guess what. I was quite calm about it until he pulled out his ticket book. Then i thought FUCK YOU PIG if you are going to write me up you might as well have a reason to so i told him what i thought of him, his partner and his mother. See ya in couirt fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite frankly I think you have been dealt a raw deal and whoever did it to you along with those that are rubbing your nose in it should be ashamed of themselves for making a bad scene worse. At least you know (like they also know) who the real morons are here. You gotta realise that these guys have a gang type mentality (Mongrel mob, Black Power, Police, same mentality just different sides of the law) and no matter what you say they will band together against you. Like front line troops in a war they are not selected for intelligence or any sort of individual/origional thought and there are countless stories of police reverting to basic and primitive tribal type behaviour (thats the type they attract). Here we have the gang in blue being a bunch of guys of very average intelligence, elevated to a status far in excess of thier abilities (because of which side of the law they are on) and we expect discretion..Yeah Right.

[scumdog]

Quite frankly I think you have been dealt a raw deal and whoever did it to you along with those that are rubbing your nose in it should be ashamed of themselves for making a bad scene worse. At least you know (like they also know) who the real morons are here. You gotta realise that these guys have a gang type mentality (Mongrel mob, Black Power, Police, same mentality just different sides of the law) and no matter what you say they will band together against you. Like front line troops in a war they are not selected for intelligence or any sort of individual/origional thought and there are countless stories of police reverting to basic and primitive tribal type behaviour (thats the type they attract). Here we have the gang in blue being a bunch of guys of very average intelligence, elevated to a status far in excess of thier abilities (because of which side of the law they are on) and we expect discretion..Yeah Right.

Oh yes, you have us summed up nicely!:whistle:

How can YOU improve this??

[R1madness]

Maybe if i am really lucky they will add the further charge (some crap about swearing at an officer) to the list. If they think threats will put me off defending they are wrong. It will only make me more determined. Imagine the newspaper headlines in the court news THEFT VICTIM CHARGED or THEFT VICTIM CHARGES POLICE WITH HARRASMENT. I love a good fight. VICTIM OF THEFT CHALLENGES POLICE IN HIGH COURT. I will take it all the way. Will they? You bet. They will not admit when they have made a mistake in the application of a law. Sure they have followed the letter of the law but i was only driving the car to the local cop shop so they could see the damage like i was instructed to by the call center.
Ahh the simple pleasures in life.

[Storm]

Stick to your guns mate. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees

[R1madness]

Amen to that brother. I spent enough time on my knees when i was a kid. It sucked being short and not knowing how to fight. But its great being short and knowing how to. Everyone underestimates you. If you stand up for yourself and get the shit kicked out of you the pain is more than compensated for. Stand up and fight for yourself or no one else will is my moto.

[scumdog]

Amen to that brother. I spent enough time on my knees when i was a kid. It sucked being short and not knowing how to fight. But its great being short and knowing how to. Everyone underestimates you. If you stand up for yourself and get the shit kicked out of you the pain is more than compensated for. Stand up and fight for yourself or no one else will is my moto.

Also nice being tall and not having to fight (most of the time), shame you get forced into the situation of having to fight.
Good luck with the ticket thing, good chance you'll get it tossed out. :niceone:

[judgeshock]

Oh yes, you have us summed up nicely!:whistle:

How can YOU improve this??

I don't know scumdog but since all cops are dumb asses with no intelligence, then this must be the answer of a rocket scientist.

I don't make generalisations about a group of people, there are good and bad people in every organisation.
As I have said before there is always two sides to a story and reading a forum such as this and jumping to a conclusion about the police shows lots of intelligence. NOT :clap:

[mstriumph]

damn.... girl.... bloody glad i dont live over that way then! :pinch:
yeah - but our limit is higher to start with ........ and with the miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles of country roads we got, bet we have faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar fewer kpk [kops per kilometer] than you got?

you gotta be unlucky or stoopid to get nabbed on a bike ... in this instance i was in the cage - but i was still stoopid :no: :Police:

[terbang]

Oh yes, you have us summed up nicely!:whistle:

How can YOU improve this??

I have just started here by telling you (a cop I presume) that I am not happy with the level of service I (as a voting tax payer, one of your employers/customers) recieve.

You stick to being a cop and take on board the feedback and Ill stick to driving jet airliners and continue to listen to customer feedback as well. Its all in the name of improving what we do.

[Jantar]

Maybe if i am really lucky they will add the further charge (some crap about swearing at an officer) to the list. If they think threats will put me off defending they are wrong. It will only make me more determined. Imagine the newspaper headlines in the court news THEFT VICTIM CHARGED or THEFT VICTIM CHARGES POLICE WITH HARRASMENT. I love a good fight. VICTIM OF THEFT CHALLENGES POLICE IN HIGH COURT. I will take it all the way. Will they? You bet. They will not admit when they have made a mistake in the application of a law. Sure they have followed the letter of the law but i was only driving the car to the local cop shop so they could see the damage like i was instructed to by the call center.
Ahh the simple pleasures in life.

Can you let us all know, in advance, the date of your court appearance. It would be worth the ride to Christchurch to be a spectator in court on that day. :corn: :corn:

[Indoo]

I have just started here by telling you (a cop I presume) that I am not happy with the level of service I (as a voting tax payer, one of your employers/customers) recieve.

You stick to being a cop and take on board the feedback and Ill stick to driving jet airliners and continue to listen to customer feedback as well. Its all in the name of improving what we do.

God you sound like an arrogant condescending tosser!

I hope you take on board that peice of feedback as well.

[Da Bird]

I have just started here by telling you (a cop I presume) that I am not happy with the level of service I (as a voting tax payer, one of your employers/customers) recieve.

You're not MY employer - I pay taxes too, therefore I am self employed and not answerable to you or anyone else. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[R1madness]

Thanks to everyone that has been supportive. I will post the date when it arrives in the post.

Hey scumdog, thanks man! Maybe i AM wrong about most of ya.

Bikeycop, Thats the best thing i have heard all day. A self employed police force. hahahahahahahahahahaha. Where did all the donuts go??????????????????? (joking man.......)

[EZAS]

You're not MY employer - I pay taxes too, therefore I am self employed and not answerable to you or anyone else. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Your "job" is to take money off other people. Your just a tax man on a motorbike .

[Patrick]

I see your point although you had a good case and better to say what you think in Court and maybe show the Officer in a bad light then cause now you will be up against it....mind you could just apologies for outburst and explain that you were pissed off after the theft....human nature and all that.

Remember even if the likes of Scumdog agree with you are they really gonna say so on a Public forum........I reckon Scumdog is fair and reasonable guy.

Here you go R1... I thought bum deal, talk about being re-victimised. Loosing your rag though probably just brought attention to yourself for next time tho...

Grahameeboy sums it up tho quite nicely... but I can tell ya now, I wouldn't have ticketed you, if your story was real... were you going in to the cop shop to report the theft/damage or were ya cruisin??????? BIG difference to the outcome, don't ya think?

[Patrick]

Maybe if i am really lucky they will add the further charge (some crap about swearing at an officer) to the list. If they think threats will put me off defending they are wrong. It will only make me more determined. Imagine the newspaper headlines in the court news THEFT VICTIM CHARGED or THEFT VICTIM CHARGES POLICE WITH HARRASMENT. I love a good fight. VICTIM OF THEFT CHALLENGES POLICE IN HIGH COURT. I will take it all the way. Will they? You bet. They will not admit when they have made a mistake in the application of a law. Sure they have followed the letter of the law but i was only driving the car to the local cop shop so they could see the damage like i was instructed to by the call center.
Ahh the simple pleasures in life.

I recall 3 streekid girls in Mt Roskill getting released from prison for aggravated robbery after an investigation said that they may not have been responsible and Police got it wrong, and apologised...probably paying out cash settlelents too...

[Smorg]

Ummmmm 75% of cops are retarded....................there i think that fits in nicely with this thread:done:

[Da Bird]

Your "job" is to take money off other people. Your just a tax man on a motorbike .

Such a simplistic view of life you have. :D

[sAsLEX]

Good luck with the ticket thing, good chance you'll get it tossed out. :niceone:


i DONT SEE HOW THIS IS A GOOD OUTCOME STILL?
sorry caps,

anyways why do cops continue to ignore some common sense, surely in this case a quick call to the call center would of confirmed R1 ones previous call.

If ones windscreen is knocked out, how does one get to the repair shop??

I also hate cops giving out tickets they know to be rather dodgy and saying just let the courts settle it out, going to court costs lots of money, and most of the time you turn up all lawyered up and your case just gets put off another month or two, and do they ever give you back the costs of lost work revenue and laywers fee if the cops are proved wrong?

[Patrick]

YEP...Called awarding costs...don't happen much tho, coz everyone I've locked up is guilty as sin....don't bother if they're not.

[terbang]

God you sound like an arrogant condescending tosser!

Yup when it comes to my approach to Rozzers, I couldn't agree with you more.!

[sir.pratt]

Geez is this thread still going? What a lot of postulating and wanking going on over a piss-take.

Get a life you guys.

[Patrick]

Sez he at 3.50 in the morning...sheesh...

[R1madness]

were you going in to the cop shop to report the theft/damage or were ya cruisin??????? BIG difference to the outcome, don't ya think?

Well lets see now. It was raining and 10.30 at night. I had my 14 year old in the car. I am 38 not 18. I was told to go to the station and report it by the call center. It was my wifes car not mine. I was in town when it happened. I had to get the car home somehow. It was still driveable and all the lights and indicators worked (i checked). I was pulled because its a SKYLINE and the boy racers love them here so the cops hate them.

[terbang]

You're not MY employer - I pay taxes too, therefore I am self employed and not answerable to you or anyone else. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

So Bykey Cop who then are you answerable to?

[Ixion]

To Bessie, actually.

[Patrick]

Well lets see now. It was raining and 10.30 at night. I had my 14 year old in the car. I am 38 not 18. I was told to go to the station and report it by the call center. It was my wifes car not mine. I was in town when it happened. I had to get the car home somehow. It was still driveable and all the lights and indicators worked (i checked). I was pulled because its a SKYLINE and the boy racers love them here so the cops hate them.

So you weren't on your way in to report it, as told to, then? (CHCH has a 24hr front counter, don't they?)

Not stirrin here R1, but if it went the way you've said above, write in about it...nothin to loose. Only problem though could be the fact that you drove in to town in it as it was, WOF/REG out and all...

[vs04]

Sez he at 3.50 in the morning...sheesh...
I,m sorry patrick but i have to correct you, it should read.Sez he who has read every post up to this point and decided to reply at 3.50 in the morning.

[R1madness]

So you weren't on your way in to report it, as told to, then? (CHCH has a 24hr front counter, don't they?)

Not stirrin here R1, but if it went the way you've said above, write in about it...nothin to loose. Only problem though could be the fact that you drove in to town in it as it was, WOF/REG out and all...

You obviously havn't bothered to read my whole post on the issue. :brick: It bloody well was regod and wofed at the time.

Yes it was parked in town when it happened. I was at a function. I never made it to the station before being pulled over. I had phoned the call center from the function in town to report it and was told to bring it to the station as noone could come to me. It WAS (and still is) regoed and wofed at the time but since some ass had broken the windscreen it was not "displayed in the correct manner". Hence the ticket.

See this goes back to you guys sticking together dispite the overwelming evedence to support my case. You say i have nothing to loose but i am already facing $600 in fines and $600 in costs. How much more should i put up with? I have already written in and phoned them as well.

[Patrick]

Apologies R1...misread the story,:Oops: but hey, I am of lower than average intelligence:woohoo:

After a re-read, I don't think there is a problem.

Go in and speak to the Senior Sergeant or the officer in charge of traffic... outline the situation (windscreen smashed, no cops available/report it to the station, next cop seen on way home stops you and then tickets you for smashed windscreen and FAILING TO DISPLAY (that is the important bit I missed...) WOF and REG.

Let Snr Sgt know you lost your rag too at the cop - that shows you're up front and not covering anything in the story. Point out how you felt "re-victimised" by the cop in being ticketed because some shite damaged your car, (which was actually reg and woffed and a check on the registration at the time would have shown the cop this...)

I don't bet often, but the beer is on this one going away...

BTW... it is not a case of siding with them no matter what... this was a case of my mis-reading the situation... I do that sometimes...:doh: coz :stupid:

The situation, as you have described, is just wrong and should just not happen for obvious reasons.

[terbang]

So Bykey Cop who then are you answerable to?
Still waiting?

[Da Bird]

Still waiting?

No-one. I'm the boss.

[Patrick]

Didn't know the Commissioner rode motor bikes????......:whistle:

[scumdog]

You stick to being a cop and take on board the feedback and Ill stick to driving jet airliners and continue to listen to customer feedback as well. Its all in the name of improving what we do.

Then how about fixing all that bloody bumpy sky? Sick of spilling my wine when you Crash-Harry types continuously collide with clouds and shit.....

[terbang]

Then how about fixing all that bloody bumpy sky? Sick of spilling my wine when you Crash-Harry types continuously collide with clouds and shit.....

Weather man spoken to..

[Rashika]

Weather man spoken to..
yeah but will he listen to you?....just how good are your 'people' management skills huh?:blip:

[Lou Girardin]

YEP...Called awarding costs...don't happen much tho, coz everyone I've locked up is guilty as sin....don't bother if they're not.

I thought the courts decided guilt?

[Lou Girardin]

Weather man spoken to..

What's the forecast for the 11th till 19th then?
Mainly East Coast thanks.

[terbang]

Umm here is a map that may help there is a front there that is whippin along at 30 kts with a nice big happy behind it once the front is through it should ne 4-5 days of nice WX..

[terbang]

yeah but will he listen to you?....just how good are your 'people' management skills huh?:blip:


I dunno really I fly VIP's and havnt had any compaints on the people management skills. So I'll see if I can pull some strings and see what they can do on the weather eh..?

Somehow I think its a case of an educated guess even for the forecasters when it comes to the weather.

[Patrick]

I thought the courts decided guilt?

Nah, you know I am right... if they arenot guilty already, why waste everyones time and effort?

[Lou Girardin]

Nah, you know I am right... if they arenot guilty already, why waste everyones time and effort?

Arthur Allan Thomas, David Dougherty, Peter Ellis, Barlow, Scott Watson?

[Grahameeboy]

Arthur Allan Thomas, David Dougherty, Peter Ellis, Barlow, Scott Watson?

Who??....................

[marty]

allan-thomas and dougherty are givens, but ellis/barlow (i presume this is john barlow from 1995 not john barlow from 1921)/watson????

[Grahameeboy]

allan-thomas and dougherty are givens, but ellis/barlow (i presume this is john barlow from 1995 not john barlow from 1921)/watson????

Man I am still none the wiser...

[sAsLEX]

Man I am still none the wiser...

Man will people ever learn, fuckingoogleit


http://www.historicauckland.org.nz/main_news_detail.asp?id=DVWWBVUQOQXTWRCMDYNDSOPEZX MBDNOLPLAC&retlink=home.asp

for the first guy i tried

edit: and more http://www.menz.org.nz/Casualties/1997%20newsletters/May%2097.htm

[Lou Girardin]

allan-thomas and dougherty are givens, but ellis/barlow (i presume this is john barlow from 1995 not john barlow from 1921)/watson????

There are serious doubts about them, especially Barlow now that the FBI 'expert' has been discredited. Not forgetting Watsons mysterious yacht that completely changed it's construction and appearance.
Then there's the case of three Mt Roskill Samoan girls who had their convictions for aggravated assault quashed is another that comes to mind.
It makes you wonder, what is guilt?

[Grahameeboy]

Man will people ever learn, fuckingoogleit


http://www.historicauckland.org.nz/main_news_detail.asp?id=DVWWBVUQOQXTWRCMDYNDSOPEZX MBDNOLPLAC&retlink=home.asp

for the first guy i tried

Many thanks......apologies for ignorance but I have only been here since 1998.........anyone heard about Linford Christies Lunchbox??

[sAsLEX]

Many thanks......apologies for ignorance but I have only been here since 1998.........anyone heard about Linford Christies Lunchbox??


Q. And what is Linford Christie's lunchbox?; A. My genitals, your honour

[Grahameeboy]

Q. And what is Linford Christie's lunchbox?; A. My genitals, your honour

I bow to you educated man......most Kiwi's have no idea what I am talking about when I mention that....can I wash your bike your lordship....?:gob:

[marty]

only serious doubt because some bush lawyer says so. ellis has been through the wringer but still no grounds for re-trial or quashing have been found. as for watson? aside from pleading ng, i don't think he has otherwise pleaded his innocence. i have been privy to some of his background and past movements (prior to the sounds murders) and those actions speak volumes.

[Lou Girardin]

only serious doubt because some bush lawyer says so. ellis has been through the wringer but still no grounds for re-trial or quashing have been found. as for watson? aside from pleading ng, i don't think he has otherwise pleaded his innocence. i have been privy to some of his background and past movements (prior to the sounds murders) and those actions speak volumes.

No grounds for Ellis? Just read the book. The non-existant rooms and tunnels that the kids were molested in. The women that supposedly helped Ellis and whose charges were dropped. This was a classic case of hysteria over ritual abuse that occurred in several countries around the same period. They had the courage to admit the errors though.
Remember how many trials Thomas had? It took a journalist, a PM and an Aussie Judge to find the truth for him.
Our legal establishment can't be trusted to find anything that may reflect badly on their system.

[Storm]

Our legal establishment can't be trusted to find anything that may reflect badly on their system.

Amen to that. Just like government enquires and the suchlike

[marty]

maybe you're the next joe karam lou?

[Lou Girardin]

maybe you're the next joe karam lou?

I haven't got the perseverance, or the money. But I admire his.

[Patrick]

Arthur Allan Thomas, David Dougherty, Peter Ellis, Barlow, Scott Watson?

Court found them ALL guilty...ALT got away with murder and $900,000 to boot (from a lawyer, that call... and yep, "it" was planted...)

DD...ummm....well....

ELLIS - Something very strange going on there...on his part I mean.

Barlow... wait and see... money dispute wasn't it? He was owed/ he owes... either way, ain't gonna happen now is it.

SW - "I know, lets wash out the entire inside of my yacht with janola (gets rid of blood I believe)." WTF????

[Lou Girardin]

Court found them ALL guilty...

Well done. That's the point.

[Patrick]

He he... fishing is good, aint it?

Just not enough journalists around to get them all off...

[dangerous]

as for watson? aside from pleading ng, i don't think he has otherwise pleaded his innocence. i have been privy to some of his background and past movements (prior to the sounds murders) and those actions speak volumes.
sorry I havent read any further back than this page.

I ride with Scotts brother, So I have heard and listened to this discussion many a time. Scott was a shit head at times..... so that made him easy pray, now I have no idea if he did it or not, but the way in which he was stitched up is pure bullshit.

How the hell can someone go to jail for something that may have never happened??? no bodies were ever found... hell they might be living it up on a island somewhere in the Bahamas for all we know.

Now supposed evidence just does not compute.... eg: the two sightings 1 in the straight and the other in a bay in the sounds... well the times given its not possible for scotts boat to travel at that speed.

we all know about the boat taxi guy that said he droped the two missing off at a boat that needed a ladder to get onto... Scotts boat sits a water line.
Secret Witnesses... what a load a shit, gang members... huh

I think the police have a lot to answer in this case..... corrupt, yes

heres the link for anyone that gives a shit.
http://www.freescottwatson.com/

[vs04]

I would say that the cops were under pressure to get a conviction,they had scott watson in there sights and went for it.To completly disregard what people were saying about the mystery ketch especially the guy with the water taxi who said he pulled up along side it,well you have to wonder.

[dangerous]

,well you have to wonder.
How about the scratch marks on the inside of the hatch.... cops reckon Oliva made them trying to escape..... but Scotts Sis and her kids said they did it playing on his boat.... they said this on TV for christ sakes, yet it was ignored:slap:

[kro]

What is the world coming too, people with their lights on at funerals and all that carry on :bleh:

[Lou Girardin]

What made me suspicious about the Watson case was the prosecution saying that the water-taxi driver was mistaken about whether Watsons boat was a sloop or a ketch ( 1 mast or 2) yet he was certain about identifying Watson.
Everyone, except this jury, knows that eyewitness ID's are notoriously inaccurate. But you would expect a keen boatie to know the difference between yacht designs.
It stinks of a fit-up.

[Dadpole]

The bit I love about some of the cries about police "fit up", is that nobody can explain why the law would go to great trouble put together a team to fabricate evidence and risk their careers (and possible prison time) to frame someone, and be happy to live with the thought that a murderer is walking free without a worry in the world.

End of minor rant - more of a ra

[Lou Girardin]

The bit I love about some of the cries about police "fit up", is that nobody can explain why the law would go to great trouble put together a team to fabricate evidence and risk their careers (and possible prison time) to frame someone, and be happy to live with the thought that a murderer is walking free without a worry in the world.

End of minor rant - more of a ra

The pressure to get a conviction is very powerful, which explains the magical appearance of the cartidge case in the Crewe murders.

[dangerous]

The bit I love about some of the cries about police "fit up", is that nobody can explain why the law would go to great trouble put together a team to fabricate evidence and risk their careers (and possible prison time) to frame someone, and be happy to live with the thought that a murderer is walking free without a worry in the world.

End of minor rant - more of a ra
Not a rant mate, tell us what ya think..... to answer ya question read the link I posted up, and one reason would be to cover a fuk up... up, wouldent be the 1st time the cops have lied (a very few but powerfull few)

ps: did you know of the NZ 'ss' in the 2nd world war? they were as bad as the Japs, and Germans for that matter but it was all hushed up.... My Grandad was one and the storys he started to tell before he kicked the bucket would have Hitler turn in his grave..... my point theres "fit ups" in this world everywere ya go


What made me suspicious about the Watson case was the prosecution saying that the water-taxi driver was mistaken about whether Watsons boat was a sloop or a ketch ( 1 mast or 2) yet he was certain about identifying Watson.
It stinks of a fit-up.
Lou the 1 mast 2 mast thing was a minor compared to the other shit that went on.... The taxi guy was there 1st suspect, lucky for him there was a more dodger person about that night.

[Dadpole]

read the link I posted up, and one reason would be to cover a fuk up... up,

Another website pointing out possible flaws in the case. A lot of theories about witnesses changing their minds, contamination of evidence etc.

Have you read the Karam book about the Bain case. Compare the evidence he says was presented in court with the actual evidence presented. Great for playing "spot the difference".

On another note, your grandad and the NZ "SS" were the same in all countries during the war. Can't have people rocking the boat in wartime. Bad for morale you know. I hope he wasn't involved in the infamous Sydney Ross/Captain Calder affair.