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Postie
8th February 2006, 09:52
From todays herald..... some interesting points i have done in bold.

A tough-talking national police campaign against drivers speeding near schools got off to a spluttering start in Auckland yesterday when a camera van was damaged by another vehicle.

The police cannot tell how long it will take to repair the van, which is their only specialised mobile camera unit for Auckland City.

It was hit from behind while stopping for a pedestrian at a crossing on its way to an Onehunga school.

But city road policing manager Inspector Heather Wells vowed that regular patrol cars with dashboard radars and officers with hand-held detectors would make up for the setback at schools in her area in the coming days and weeks of the "Speed Kills Kids" campaign.

Police in other districts reported mixed success on the first day of the campaign, which marked the start of the school year for most children and aims to combine tougher enforcement with education.

Officers are under instruction to issue tickets to anyone caught exceeding speed limits by more than 5km/h within 250m of school boundaries between 7.30am and 9am or 3pm and 4.30pm, down from a normal tolerance of 10km/h over the bar.

Although the standard fine is just $30 for driving up to 10km/h above the speed limit - usually up to 60km/h in urban areas and 110km/h on the open road - those caught by police patrols rather than on camera face 10 demerit points towards suspended licences.

Superintendent Dick Trimble, of the North Shore-Waitakere-Rodney police, said his staff issued just four tickets around schools yesterday, because of a combination of good driving behaviour and speed-suppressing traffic congestion.

But Senior Sergeant Ken Climo of the Counties-Manukau police said his officers were forced to write several dozen tickets near schools in Mangere and Papatoetoe.

He said five patrols concentrated their efforts round schools yesterday, handing out educational brochures as well as speeding tickets.

"We don't want to be going out there hunting the public down - we like to educate them, to get the best bang for our buck."

Waikato road policing manager Inspector Leo Tooman said his staff wrote seven tickets outside one Cambridge school in only about 30 minutes.

With the exception of one man, who "performed like a trained seal because he didn't think it was on", those caught were mostly apologetic.

"I believe the public have a lot of sympathy with schoolkids, particularly new entrants, who are so unpredictable."

Christchurch police issued 30 tickets to motorists speeding near two primary schools between 7.30am and 9am. No warnings were given.

Sergeant John Hamilton said most of those ticketed were driving past the schools rather than dropping off children, although some parents were among those netted.

"A lot of people were very aware of the 5km/h tolerance outside schools, so the campaign has had an impact. But there have still been people speeding maybe a wee bit further from the school.

"We have had very good feedback from parents. They are really keen."


Too many deaths

* The speeding blitz around schools follows concern that 34 pedestrians and cyclists aged 5 to 18 were killed and 2055 injured before or after school in the five years to the end of December.

* Police Minister Annette King and Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven launched the campaign yesterday outside Miramar Central School in Wellington, where it is understood one motorist received a speeding ticket.

WRT
8th February 2006, 10:14
Is the 250m treated as a radius from the school, or does it only cover the streets on which the school has a boundry? Can you get done on a side road that doesnt actually run past a school, but is within 250m of a school boundry (as the crow flies)?

And I would have sworn there are more than just on camera vans in the Auckland area, have definately seen them in white and red vans, and I seem to recall seeing a silver van once too.

Hard luck Abu to the poor fool who ran into that van tho. Shouldnt have been following so close, but of all the vans to hit . . .

Lou Girardin
8th February 2006, 10:20
* The speeding blitz around schools follows concern that 34 pedestrians and cyclists aged 5 to 18 were killed and 2055 injured before or after school in the five years to the end of December.

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That'll be peds and cyclists over the entire country then. Not within 250 metres of schools. I wonder how many were hurt within the 250 metre area?
I can't help wondering why, if kids lives are so valuable, they aren't worth a bunch of 40 km/h signs? Then the cops could ping people at 51 instead of 55.

vifferman
8th February 2006, 10:27
I can't help wondering why, if kids lives are so valuable, they aren't worth a bunch of 40 km/h signs? Then the cops could ping people at 51 instead of 55.
They had that in Perth when I was working there, and they policed it VERY rigorously. I thought it was a bloody good idea.
But then there's a 30 km/h limit for passing stationary school buses, and everyone ignores that...
Wehn we lived in Chch, the police did a mini-blitz at the local school (the one our boys all went to). Some F-wit drove through the pedestrian crossing, WITH the patrol there, AND the signs out, AND a cop observing, and took out two kids. Unbelievable...

sAsLEX
8th February 2006, 10:29
But then there's a 30 km/h limit for passing stationary school buses, and everyone ignores that....

actually think its 20

limbimtimwim
8th February 2006, 10:33
They had that in Perth when I was working there, and they policed it VERY rigorously. I thought it was a bloody good idea.
But then there's a 30 km/h limit for passing stationary school buses, and everyone ignores that...I don't. And it's 20ks! From the road code: "If a school bus has stopped to let children on or off, you must slow down and drive at 20km/h or less until you are well past the bus, no matter what direction you are coming from."

I knew a kid who got hit by a motorcycle when he was very young. He talked funny.

I think it is a very good idea, it's sensible policeing. Not like hiding an HP on a many KM straight of unused road in the south island. I saw you Mr Policeman. I saw somewhere (ChCh?) some electronic signs to change the speed limit near a school, thats not a bad idea. Never saw them on, however.

sAsLEX
8th February 2006, 10:38
I don't. And it's 20ks! From the road code: "If a school bus has stopped to let children on or off, you must slow down and drive at 20km/h or less until you are well past the bus, no matter what direction you are coming from."


it that an actual quote?? as I am sure it doesn't matter if the bus is stopped, it is when the bus is slowing/speeding up to/from dropping kiddies off that this was the case, as well as when stationary.

bugjuice
8th February 2006, 12:37
lamo..
the van was rear-ended? did they get their pic taken just before the bang? that's irony for ya..

I reckon 40ks around schools is the best idea. I'd be all for it. Those little shits just run out without looking, so fast, that it's impossible to bounce the buggers. I was riding to work a few years ago and saw what a car doing 60 did to a little girl who stepped out from between parked cars. I wouldn't have thought someone so small had so much blood. But it was all across the windscreen and the whole scene was a horrible mess. 40 wouldn't avoid it, but it might not hurt so much.. Hell, 30 ~100ms either side wouldn't be a bad thing.. The amount of parents who don't wake up in the morning until they get to work is have the problem imo

Lou Girardin
8th February 2006, 12:43
20 km/h while passing a school bus that has STOPPED to pick up/drop off children.
On one occasion when I slowed for a school bus I was nearly rear ended by a cop car.
So what do you do in rural areas? I'm damned if I'd slow to 20 k's from 100 when there's cars behind.

bugjuice
8th February 2006, 12:49
yeah, i see your point, but if your behind the bus and not too far away (and let's face it, you catch up to them and can't get past until they stop!), then you'd often be slowing down anyway cos the bus would be stopping..

Postie
8th February 2006, 12:56
I reckon 40ks around schools is the best idea.

i think they would save more sprats if they made it illigal to use a cell phone either talking or worse, texting around schools or anywhere for that matter

Wolf
8th February 2006, 13:26
Hard luck Abu to the poor fool who ran into that van tho. Shouldnt have been following so close, but of all the vans to hit . . .
He might figure it worth the "Failure to Stop Short" fine to take the van out of action..

vifferman
8th February 2006, 13:35
I had a suspicion the speed limit past a school bus what had stopped was 20 kilometres in one hour, but I wasn't sure, and couldn't be bothered looking it up. Sorry for engendering confusion and that.
I reckon school buses should have a STOP sign that lights up on the back, like in Murka.

limbimtimwim
8th February 2006, 16:29
it that an actual quote?? as I am sure it doesn't matter if the bus is stopped, it is when the bus is slowing/speeding up to/from dropping kiddies off that this was the case, as well as when stationary.Quoted from the website.

madboy
8th February 2006, 17:06
I vote for 40k around schools. I drop my daughter at school every morning. And I don't see too many cars speeding. But with me usually being parked right outside the gate literally in one of the four carparks right smack in front of the pedestrian crossing, I see countless dickheads who very nearly don't stop short. If you can't miss a f***ing great big car in front of you, what chance does any human (let alone a kid) have?

Going past my daughters school, because of the congestion of it being a main road, parking on either side, pedestrian crossing AND a school I actually do drive at 40-45ish near the school. But at a couple of other schools I pass on the way, 60k "seems" normal, even at 8am. So I reckon forcing 40k would certainly be a good idea.

bugjuice
8th February 2006, 17:11
paint the roads around schools with that bus stuff too, then there's no excuse for not realising it's a low speed zone..

SuperDave
8th February 2006, 17:20
A different coloured seal or even just 40Kph signs indicating the areas around schools are both great ideas. But as Lou said, it's a pity that the kids life is only worth the addtional revenue and not the expense.