A new tyre, and I'm pissed-off! [Archive]

rogson

10th February 2006, 13:36

When out on my bike this morning it felt like the rear was trying to a step-out going around corners. When I stopped and looked it appeared the rear tyre was low on air. I took it to the nearest gas station and found it had 10psi, so I pumped it up and went straight home. I jacked-up the wheel and looked for the leak. I finally had to resort to wetting with soapy water to find it - two tiny pin-holes about 5mm apart bang in the middle of the tyre.

I took the wheel to Cycletreads who told me it looked like it had been done by something like a fence staple, and that it couldn't be fixed because the holes were so close together that the repair plugs would inferfere with each other.

So, I bought a new Diablo (Cycletreads took pity on me and gave me a good discount - thanks guys). You may ask why I'm pissed-off since I got a new tyre at a good price. Well, the other one (also a new Diablo) had been on less than 2 months!

beyond

10th February 2006, 13:41

What a pisser. Wonder what caused that then. The donuts are so dear, you don't want that happening :(

snuffles

10th February 2006, 13:43

What a pisser. Wonder what caused that then. The donuts are so dear, you don't want that happening :(

probably a sharp mettalic object

Motu

10th February 2006, 13:47

If the holes were that close why didn't they just use a boot to cover both holes.But it's their call on how they repair punctures.Did you keep the tyre? If so,get another opinion on a repair.

Fishy

10th February 2006, 13:48

I had a 10mm spanner go through my tyre once, I mean right through. Oh it was on my landcruiser not the bike.

enigma51

10th February 2006, 13:53

I had a 10mm spanner go through my tyre once, I mean right through. Oh it was on my landcruiser not the bike.
does not suprise me with landcruise they weigh about 4million ton

beyond

10th February 2006, 13:53

My mate was following me on his TL 1000 and I hit a bit of metal in the road which I tossed up missing a friends head. His son on the TL hit it hard and bounced up in the air and blew the tyre. We got a compresser as we were local and couldn't blow the thing up. Then we saw the metal had gone right through the wheel rim and taken out quite a bit of aluminium in the process.

Had to send the wheel of to Hamilton for a full repair and repaint. :(

T.W.R

10th February 2006, 13:55

Why didn't they offer to vulcanize the tyre ? if it had any life left in the tread it would have been the simple option , way better than plugs which as they said couldn't have been used.

i picked up a 40mm/8mm bolt in my rear tyre a couple of years ago got that vulcanised & it saw out the life the tyre with no problems at all. only cost $30

Jantar

10th February 2006, 13:57

... You may ask why I'm pissed-off since I got a new tyre at a good price. Well, the other one (also a new Diablo) had been on less than 2 months!

You can get two months riding on a Diablo? :shit:

marty

10th February 2006, 13:57

hope you kept the tyre - for a couple of pinholes i would have thought a proper vulcanised patch on the inside of the casing would have been just as (if not more) effective as a repair - tubed tyres use patches on the tubes all the time, and when they are pumped up they are under tension (and more likely to fail), whereas a patch over a hole is under pressure, and seals tighter for doing so.

rogson

10th February 2006, 14:01

If the holes were that close why didn't they just use a boot to cover both holes.But it's their call on how they repair punctures.Did you keep the tyre? If so,get another opinion on a repair.

I wasn't aware boots or patches could be used on tubeless tyres. They did say that it could be plugged externally - but in the next breath that external plugs are now illegal.

Motu

10th February 2006, 14:05

I'd far rather have an internal boot than an external string repair - they are illegal for a reason.Boots are perfectly legal,they are made for the job.

vifferman

10th February 2006, 14:09

I finally had to resort to wetting with soapy water to find it - two tiny pin-holes about 5mm apart bang in the middle of the tyre.

I took the wheel to Cycletreads who told me it looked like it had been done by something like a fence staple, and that it couldn't be fixed because the holes were so close together that the repair plugs would inferfere with each other.
Sounds like another Tui ad:
"This tyre has two tiny holes in it, so it's completely buggered."
"Yeah - right!"

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2006, 14:16

Mental Trousers

10th February 2006, 15:25

Hope you pumped up the dodgy tyre to over 40psi then did the hell burnout before letting them change the thing. Have to get some value for money out of the old tyre

MSTRS

10th February 2006, 15:46

What the others said. Tubeless tyres are repaired using internal patches ALL the time. Get yours patched & put tyre away until needed

Bonez

10th February 2006, 18:43

Anyone mentioned tubes yet?

Motu

10th February 2006, 19:20

You must be really old to remember those things....you probably even remember kickstarters.....

Bonez

10th February 2006, 19:25

You must be really old to remember those things....you probably even remember kickstarters.....Found two of them tings in the "play pen" yesterday. Attached to hondas, they were.

Ixion

10th February 2006, 19:46

Don't mention farken kickstarters to me tonight. Had one of the bastiges dive up my trouser leg today, nearly overbalanced, arms still sore heaving the bike back fRom the brink, AND ripped m'trou !

Mattyc

10th February 2006, 22:05

Hope you pumped up the dodgy tyre to over 40psi then did the hell burnout before letting them change the thing. Have to get some value for money out of the old tyre

Got a new tyre a week ago today, did an insane burnout on it before i got it changed, smoked worse than a...........someting

TygerTung

10th February 2006, 23:14

Yeah couldn't you just use a tube in it?

Bonez

11th February 2006, 04:00

Yeah couldn't you just use a tube in it?It's been mentioned and vucanised patches. But apperently now the thing to do is burnouts and fuck a perfectly servicable tyre. Each to there own I guess.

Zed

11th February 2006, 06:43

quickbuck

11th February 2006, 07:18

... apperently now the thing to do is burnouts and fuck a perfectly servicable tyre. Each to there own I guess.

I have never understood that myself either Bonez. There is more to wreck than just an old tyre when doing burnouts.

I guess it seems like a good idea at the time. ("Just High Spirits" they say.)

Rashika

11th February 2006, 08:00

Rogson, tyres are one of the most important things to get right on a motorcycle but when they go wrong they are the pits of the earth. I despise getting a puncture and am never happy about having to buy new ones when they wear out, but having to shell out for a new one within two months when the old one could have probably been repaired would boil my blood....i feel your pain! :brick:
Almost had to do the exact same thing last week on my very barely 2 month old tyre.
Had a close look... as good motorcylists are meant to do to their bikes occasionally...and noticed something odd. there was a great big hunk of something in my tyre. Managed to dig it out, yep big hunk of brown glass (all you beer drinkers out there FEEL MY WRATH!) :Pokey:
...and theres another one, and another one, oh and yet more. BUT luckily, none had gone thru, got it checked over and all is okay. Amazing really!
Guess there is something to be said for that brand of tyre, all that glass and no puncture... yet anyway. :2thumbsup

Sniper

11th February 2006, 08:44

Shit mate, that would piss anyone off. But yea, 2 months out of a Diablo

Bonez

11th February 2006, 09:01

Almost had to do the exact same thing last week on my very barely 2 month old tyre.
Had a close look... as good motorcylists are meant to do to their bikes occasionally...and noticed something odd. there was a great big hunk of something in my tyre. Managed to dig it out, yep big hunk of brown glass (all you beer drinkers out there FEEL MY WRATH!) :Pokey:
...and theres another one, and another one, oh and yet more. BUT luckily, none had gone thru, got it checked over and all is okay. Amazing really!
Guess there is something to be said for that brand of tyre, all that glass and no puncture... yet anyway. :2thumbsup

I would imagine fat tyres tend to pick up more FOD {those in aviation know what I'm refering to}

Toast

11th February 2006, 09:07

I tend to recall many, many stories of Diablos taking on punctures...what the hell is up with this? One more reason why I am not aching to try them out (at least not the standard ones, have heard better things about Corsas)

pritch

11th February 2006, 15:53

Sounds like another Tui ad:
"This tyre has two tiny holes in it, so it's completely buggered."
"Yeah - right!"

On a dirt bike maybe.

The Honda manual says don't repair tyres, replace them.
The others probably say the same.
Sprot bikes mostly run Z rated tyres. I don't think the Z rating applies once a tyre has been repaired.

Next time you're doing 200 plus you can wonder how that repair is going down there. Or you could run good tyres.

Sensei

11th February 2006, 16:01

Have riden Plugs in tyres from 30ks old right through to 6000k's when I poped it . Even put a Tube in my GSXR1100 tyre as they couldn't fix hole

Bonez

11th February 2006, 16:04

Have riden Plugs in tyres from 30ks old right through to 6000k's when I poped it . Even put a Tube in my GSXR1100 tyre as they couldn't fix holeThere's that dirty "T" word again.

cowpoos

11th February 2006, 16:06

There's that dirty "T" word again.

he is a dirty old man.... he probally remebers them..... bwaaah

TygerTung

11th February 2006, 21:09

I run tubes, they tire tends to go down pretty quickly with spoked wheels without a tube.

The_Dover

11th February 2006, 21:14

I wish I'd get two months out of a bike, let alone a tyre.

Bonez

11th February 2006, 21:54

I wish I'd get two months out of a bike, let alone a tyre.Keep practicing.

DEATH_INC.

12th February 2006, 05:57

this is interesting to me. mid last year I had to get a new car tyre because some mongtard had put five nails into one (thankfully) of the tyres on the car (a tyre with less than 10000km from new :( ) I ended up with a new tyre because the tyre place told me they didnt want to put five repairs into a tyre they wouldnt guarantee its integrity (three holes close together, and another two, also close together). So I sucked it up and bought a new tyre. sounds like they saw me coming.
Hmmmm, I prolly woulda told ya the same thing, with all the laws and stuff now I wouldn't risk my ass doing it either. Remember if you get a punture,unless it's a tiny hole it's prolly taken out a cord or two, these are what hold the tyre together......if I fix it and it fails and you crash, mr plod comes knocking on MY door, not the bosses, Mine.
How much do you value your/your family's life?
Why do people refuse to spend money on tyres when they are the single most important thing on your car/bike?

Toast

12th February 2006, 10:35

Why do people refuse to spend money on tyres when they are the single most important thing on your car/bike?

That's for sure. A little while back, a decent set of tyres would have saved me a $10k bike. Granted, I still made a cock up, I accept that. Totally my fault, could have been avoided. But my usual fave tyres instead of the squared off OE jobbies that came when I got the bike (2nd hand) would have (I'm quite sure), forgiven me and had me thanking Mr Michelin.

They may not be as horny as a hot new Ti exhaust, but don't skimp on those little black donuts.

R1madness

12th February 2006, 11:32

Here is a little theory to throw into the mix. I bet ya $1 that the 2 pinholes were caused by the staple that the shop used to attatch the price lable in the shop. I have often seen bikes wheeled out after a tyre has been fitted with the staple still in them .They usually ping out in the first few turns of the wheel but if they dont they wear off the staple bridge and just get forced ionto the tyre as the rubber wears down.
And yes All Race/sports tyres are prone to puntures. Its because of the soft rubber and light weight carcase design.
Did you know most puntures happen in the rain? Its true.

Sniper

12th February 2006, 11:35

Why in the rain R1

Highlander

12th February 2006, 11:37

Why in the rain - Murphys law dictates it (He was an optimist you know).

R1madness

12th February 2006, 11:54

Actually its because the rain lubes the nail (or whatever) making it easier for it to penitrate the tyre.

jonbuoy

12th February 2006, 16:34

Not worth the risk of a repair failing - maybe on a sub 30HP bike. The guy who fixed it would be feeling pretty stink if it let fly and spat you off, better they play it safe mate.

Bonez

12th February 2006, 16:47

Actually its because the rain lubes the nail (or whatever) making it easier for it to penitrate the tyre.
Someone's been keeping that wee gem a secret then. Who told you that?

Jantar

12th February 2006, 19:00

Its no secret, just think about the lube thats used if you've ever grooved your own tyres.... its water. If you want to cut rubber, then wet it first.

R1madness

13th February 2006, 08:30

Someone's been keeping that wee gem a secret then. Who told you that?
Its a well known fact in the tyre industry. Also 90% of punctures occure in the last 10% of the tyres life. Thats why they reccomend replacing them with 1.5mm tread still showing.
Honestly its true.

Bonez

13th February 2006, 15:54

Its a well known fact in the tyre industry. Also 90% of punctures occure in the last 10% of the tyres life. Thats why they reccomend replacing them with 1.5mm tread still showing.
Honestly its true. Just never come across the water thing before all my punctures have been on perfectly dry roads on and most of the tires had plenty of tread. So does that mean I should reframe from using water and just use soap when changing tyres? Obviously, more chance of doing damage to the tyre.(p/t)

Kickaha

13th February 2006, 16:40

Its a well known fact in the tyre industry.

It's well quoted in the tyre industry (which I've worked in for a considerable time) but I still think it's bullshit :yes:

Also 90% of punctures occure in the last 10% of the tyres life. Thats why they reccomend replacing them with 1.5mm tread still showing.
Honestly its true.

I agree with that one though

Bonez

13th February 2006, 16:49

I agree with that one though
I would have thought the depth was for water disperstion. But then again I'm not in the industry...................

Kickaha

13th February 2006, 16:56

I would have thought the depth was for water disperstion. But then again I'm not in the industry...................

It is, if it didn't ever rain we wouldn't have treaded tyres

But less rubber on the tyre when it is just about worn out means it is easier for an object to penetrate it