chopping ears off

[mikey]

looking at gettign a doberman but most breeders wont sell with chopped ears. an i want the full on NAZI looking thing that makes mums pick up there kids an old people cross the road if they see one. its goign to be a guard dog/more than a pet.

ive been told vets wont chop ears. why cant you pay a vet to do it? would be far less cruel to the dog. and anyway of buying anaesthetic from a chemist or vets?

i did have problems buying a suturing needle to stitch my hand up after some drunken fucker stabbed me in my own home. doctor wouldn give me a needle, nor would the chemist, told me to get the doctor to do it but there was a 5 million hour queue an you have to pay them 100 bucks for a little bit of string....

so anyone know of any purebred doberman pups for sale, pref chopped ears an docked tail already so i dont have to. which i wont. cause i couldn hack away at somethings ears while its alive. preferbaly an black/tan more black than tan. all black would be cool.

[Colapop]

Check NZKC (Kennel Club) they have a list of breeders. How much research have you done on the breed? German Shephards are better guard dogs and have a couple more clues when it comes to training them.
http://www.nzkc.org.nz/
and I can highly recommend this breeder;
http://www.nzkc.org.nz/DERINGOLSTA/

[mikey]

years of research man.
dont like the look of shephards, so wont get one. an they got longer hair.
not after a full on guard dog to guard a concentration camp or anyhting. just my home an bike. rough neighbourhood.

[onearmedbandit]

Can I ask why you want one that has been 'de-eared'?

[mikey]

nah not de eared just trimmed

[Colapop]

Don't get me wrong Doberman's are still good dogs. Train 'em right (just like any dog) and they can be awesome. Just check out NZKC and ask a few breeders what their thoughts are. Don't know about the ears but there are plenty still doing the tails.

[inlinefour]

I also disagree with the comment about the shepard being a better guard dog. had a purebread mastif and it was an excellent guard/attack dog and very well trained. A friend has a doby and its also an excellent guard dog. If I was ever to do it again then I'd like a rotty, but can't agree with the misses so it wont be happening. They tell me thats its very difficult to get tails chopped off pups. If thats so I'd suspect that getting ears trimmed would be close to impossible. Can't say Ive ever seen it done it either in NZ. Can imagine a whole heap of possum kissing treehugging politically correct hippies getting upset over it too.

[Deano]

years of research man.
dont like the look of shephards, so wont get one. an they got longer hair.
not after a full on guard dog to guard a concentration camp or anyhting. just my home an bike. rough neighbourhood.

Forget about it mate - you can't say my dog isn't menacing looking and he has one of the loudest, most gutteral barks/growls I have heard.

Never the less - we got broken into, via the laundry window. The laundry just happens to be where we keep Brutus's biscuits and the door only opens slightly to allow the cat access and the dogs out.

So, in this case the burglar had some 'treats' to bribe the dogs with. Having said that, Brutus is my mate, not a guard dog. I was disappointed I didn't find a badly mauled burglar, but I'm sure he would defend me with his life if I was personally in danger so never mind.

Think about this though Mikey - if someone wants something bad enough - they will take it, regardless of what devices or traps you have - you are only making it a little harder for them.

I would rather Brutus rolled over like a pussy, than take a burglar on and get killed. A dog will never beat a determined criminal.

Forget the dog - get out of that dive - can't be good for your moral.

I wouldn't worry about them stealing your bike though...it's only a ......

[onearmedbandit]

nah not de eared just trimmed


Got ya, but excuse my ignorance (not totally, we used to breed Rotties) but what does it acheive? I'm not judging you at all mikey, just curious is all.

[mikey]

i think its how you train it. there both smart dogs. but
rotty's just look dumb. bit like whales look dumb.

[buellbabe]

Any large dog makes a good "guard" dog if intimidation is what yr after. I've got a Rottyx and a Bull Mastifx, both bitches and bloody primo animals. They are friendly to my friends but will scare off anyone with badness in mind. And ya don't have to treat them mean to make them staunch either. When I am out in public exercising them the Rotty can be chasing bunnies but if she hears approaching people she'll come running (without being called) and stand protectively in front of me. WHY? Cos she thinks the sun shines outta my butt... not becos she is scared of getting a beating if she doesn't!

[The_Dover]

Why don't you chop your own ears off so that you look so mean when you're mincing around the ghetto that no one would ever dare rip you off, for fear of "Crazy Mikey No Ears" coming round to fuck them up?

[Deano]

Why don't you chop your own ears off so that you look so mean when you're mincing around the ghetto that no one would ever dare rip you off, for fear of "Crazy Mikey No Ears" coming round to fuck them up?

Chopper Reid stylez ?

[Fatjim]

I new a gut who had a golden retriever that used to chase the 2 local dobermans around. farking halerious.

[Str8 Jacket]

I new a gut who had a golden retriever that used to chase the 2 local dobermans around. farking halerious.

:eek: Wow that wouldve been a sight to see!

[Fishy]

Why don't you chop your own ears off so that you look so mean when you're mincing around the ghetto that no one would ever dare rip you off, for fear of "Crazy Mikey No Ears" coming round to fuck them up?

Haha you seen that movie "Chopper"?

[sAsLEX]

WHY? Cos she thinks the sun shines outta my butt... not becos she is scared of getting a beating if she doesn't!

Food falls out of your hand maybe!?

[mikey]

Why don't you chop your own ears off so that you look so mean when you're mincing around the ghetto that no one would ever dare rip you off, for fear of "Crazy Mikey No Ears" coming round to fuck them up?
hahhaahhaah CUNT. go crash another bike but do it proper this time yeh none of this fallign off the back shit. shtraight into a cliff be good! thats a joke to the PC police, especially those who have vodo dolls, i been getting a sore neck lately....


Got ya, but excuse my ignorance (not totally, we used to breed Rotties) but what does it acheive? I'm not judging you at all mikey, just curious is all.
looks different. slightly more menacing just like a repsol looks more menacing than a 900 hornet to put it in bike terms. menacing isnt the word bu there isnt a word for it.


Forget about it mate - you can't say my dog isn't menacing looking and he has one of the loudest, most gutteral barks/growls I have heard.

Brutus is my mate, not a guard dog.
I would rather Brutus rolled over like a pussy, than take a burglar on and get killed.
Forget the dog - get out of that dive - can't be good for your moral.

I wouldn't worry about them stealing your bike though...it's only a ......

yeh just another gay old gixer i know, but they my wheels, i frequently leave key in ignition of the car but not bike even a GSXR......

i think brutus would of mauled the thief. but like 99.9% of dogs, food comes first.
drew did offer me a cat lol hahahahaha

[Charlie]

Last week I saw the cat across the road had the neighbours staffie bailed up in a corner shitting itself. Was funny as!

I have a german shep also and yip the hair thing drives me to distraction! She's a softie though (dont tell any burglers).

[pyrocam]

you can do eeet! cut its freaking ears off.

[Ogri]

Why does mankind always have to fuck with nature? Why do you want to inflict this on a dog, just so it looks mean? Leave the fucking dog alone. If you want to protect your property, spouse, stash - buy a gun and have the balls to use it!

[The_Dover]

I wouldn't sanction giving mikey a bike licence let alone a gun licence!

[Colapop]

If you want a truly vicious dog get either a Poodle or a Australian Wire Terrier. I shit you not, Poodles are Crazy Muthaf*ckin' things! And they've got all that hair that you can shave whatever patterns in.
Or how about a Rhodesian Ridgeback? Big dog, vey little hair left round the place.

[onearmedbandit]

Poodles were used as very effective hunting dogs.

[Colapop]

I told ya I wasn't anyone up. One of the most visious dogs I ever had the misfortune to meet was a mental Poodle. I tell ya, that thing was unstable - the owners were really nice though and treated the dog really good, but it hated everyone else. They had to get it put down in the end.

[The_Dover]

Poodles? What were they hunting?? Chutney Ferrets?

[Badcat]

Poodles? What were they hunting?? Chutney Ferrets?

dude.
a standard poodle is a badass dog.
i still have the scar.

[Charlie]

Yeah I have to say not a fan of messing with the dog just so it looks mean. Read an artical in the Dom yonks ago about a guy (from the Hutt?) who cut the tips off his dogs (pit bull I recall?) ears himself with a razor so it looked "dont fuck with me". He got done by SPCA etc etc.
Sounds like Mikey you wanna do it more humanely than that, but it just doesnt seem necessary imo.

BTW - My aunty had a doberman. House got robbed. They didnt take much, but in the list of things they DID take, the dog was one.

[Badcat]

Why does mankind always have to fuck with nature? Why do you want to inflict this on a dog, just so it looks mean? Leave the fucking dog alone. If you want to protect your property, spouse, stash - buy a gun and have the balls to use it!

i formally volunteer to hold little mikey down while someone "trims" his ears.
come on mikey - it's not a big thing - right?

[Fatjim]

his hair would be a good start

[Indoo]

I told ya I wasn't anyone up. One of the most visious dogs I ever had the misfortune to meet was a mental Poodle. I tell ya, that thing was unstable - the owners were really nice though and treated the dog really good, but it hated everyone else. They had to get it put down in the end.

Agree, poodles are crazy dogs, they develop all kinds of phobias/obsessions and get red rages where they just absolutely lose it. If they had the strength and jaws of a pitbull and losers wanted to get them cos they look tuff they would have the same bad rep.

I've had/have a doberman, rhodesian ridgeback and german shepherd. Dobermans have to be extremely well trained and you have to be really careful where you get them from, you will find some are either shy or overly vicious. And you have to be a good experienced owner to handle one. I'd say if you care more about what the dog looks like ie cut off ears/docked tail than who you get it from then and its nature then you shouldn't even consider one.

Ridgebacks are a nice looking dog and are quite large, but also have a tendency to be quite lazy and really stubborn. Not that great with other dogs but very cunning and intelligent. They will also devote themselves more to one owner than an entire family.

The German shepherd is by far my favourite of the three for an all purpose guard dog, family pet and companion. They are extremely intelligent, devoted and really want to please. They also are the best deterent if you train them that way, the bark is deep and especially with the long haired they gain what seems like an extra foot in height when they raise their shackles. The fact they are also used as police dogs is a huge plus, criminals already fear them and are far less likely to want to steal them, having the same dog as the 'pigs' do I guess doesn't appeal to them quite as much.

But if your a first time owner I wouldn't even really consider a purebred until you know what your doing and know what to look for in a breeder. Get a mongrel from the pound, theres a ton to choose from and all have been checked out. They make great dogs and aren't as prone to the same personality and physical disorders that pure breds can be.

[mstriumph]

:yes: i'd be in that Badcat ......... let's do Mikey first

i mean, he says it don't hurt an all, an makes the amputee look better - s'pect he'd WELCOME the offer :corn:

... this is a PT right? PLEASE say this is a PT?? ......

[T.W.R]

you've been watchin to many movies mikey !!! doberman ears are wired up for movies with piano wire, just like when their showing their teeth same thing wired up with small retainers!
you want a decent guard dog get an Argentinian Dogo! that'll put the shits up the scum in ya neighbourhood

Trim the dogs ears & i'll come & do yours! i've got the machete waiting:angry:

[Scouse]

Poodles? What were they hunting?? Chutney Ferrets?Ya beat me to that comment

[Skyryder]

I'd advise against it on the grounds that the dog will have ear problems. One of the reasons it's not done in this country. Most reputable Doberman breeders will not sell a dog for the reasons that you state. You want the dog to look vicious as looking nazi like. Sounds like you have a problem with your image and need a vicious looking dog so that people take notice of you.

Skyryder

[The_Dover]

Tis true. Mikey needs a tough looking dog cos he looks like such a raving homosexual.

Maybe a poodle's not the best idea. Even if it is rabid and has blooding dripping from it's snarling jaws he would still look gay as the day with it.

[justsomeguy]

looking at gettign a doberman but most breeders wont sell with chopped ears. an i want the full on NAZI looking thing that makes mums pick up there kids an old people cross the road if they see one. its goign to be a guard dog/more than a pet.

ive been told vets wont chop ears. why cant you pay a vet to do it? would be far less cruel to the dog. and anyway of buying anaesthetic from a chemist or vets?

i did have problems buying a suturing needle to stitch my hand up after some drunken fucker stabbed me in my own home. doctor wouldn give me a needle, nor would the chemist, told me to get the doctor to do it but there was a 5 million hour queue an you have to pay them 100 bucks for a little bit of string....

so anyone know of any purebred doberman pups for sale, pref chopped ears an docked tail already so i dont have to. which i wont. cause i couldn hack away at somethings ears while its alive. preferbaly an black/tan more black than tan. all black would be cool.

You ever had a dog before?? A Doberman will need some amount of training and handling if you want it to become a decent guard dog. They are pretty hungry chaps too so I hope there's cash available for some chow.

[cowpoos]

Forget about it mate - you can't say my dog isn't menacing looking and he has one of the loudest, most gutteral barks/growls I have heard.


shame you didn't meet my ex...she had a bite to.....[shudder]

[cowpoos]

you've been watchin to many movies mikey !!! doberman ears are wired up for movies with piano wire, just like when their showing their teeth same thing wired up with small retainers!
:

no your not correct...they are clipped...they clip the rosed part of the ear and they will then stand up by them selves....

[justsomeguy]

no your not correct...they are clipped...they clip the rosed part of the ear and they will then stand up by them selves....

Does this benefit the dog or is it just for show?? What about the docked tails - same thing???

[The_Dover]

Hey, I think Mikey should get a dog like WINJA's. Then everyone would know he's hard as fuck.

[WINJA]

hope your joking mikey , if not i hope your dog eats your testicles while your sleeping

[Ogri]

Ok Badcat you're on, I formally volunteer to do the cutting. Now, let's see - I have a rusty old Stanley knife in my toolbox and I think we'll dispense with the alcohol and piece of wood for biting on, eh?

Mikey - I'm no greenie, I'm no vegetarian but this sort of attitude really pisses me off.

[The_Dover]

Mikey - I'm no greenie, I'm no vegetarian but this sort of attitude really pisses me off.

shit, you and mikey will get on like a house on fire then.

So long as he's the house and you're the fire.

[cowpoos]

hope your joking mikey , if not i hope your dog eats your testicles while your sleeping


he'll need a small dog for that....

[Patrick]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

A Chihuahua with a mohawk perhaps? That'll staunch you up! One of those Chinese Crested hairless buggers with the staunch tufts on thier heads... a Bichon Frise perhaps?

Where is that site to the worlds staunchest (ugliest) dog...that will improve ya image. Do your own ears first and see how it goes...

[onearmedbandit]

This thread has taken a turn for the better.......

[mstriumph]

Does this benefit the dog or is it just for show?? What about the docked tails - same thing???
its for show - all for the self-agrandizement of the owner [unlike humans, dogs aren't impressed by cosmetic surgery]:angry:

if this isn't a PT then the guy has an image problem
- if he's feeling less than manly why doesn't he get - erm - enhancement surgery performed on himself instead of carving up the poor dog?

[cowpoos]

Does this benefit the dog or is it just for show?? What about the docked tails - same thing???

started off as a thoery way way back in the 16th centry I believe origaniolly with old mastiff type breeds in italy...believing it would make them more alert and hear better for guarding.... and it move to other breeds bred for guarding... and then became a fashionable trend for awhile among a few breeds.... now its actually illegal in NZ I'm not totally sure what has happened with tail docking yet.... but tail docking is benificial too a small number of breeds with large heavy tails that wag em fast and they hit objects and they split the tail at the end...but in most cases no benifit to the dog that vets can point out....although some owners of these breed come up with all sorts of fantasy aguments about how its benificial...

[Hitcher]

It is now against the law to nip dogs' ears and tails. No doubt there will be some neanderthal breeders who continue to prioritise fashion over animal welfare. But they will be easy to find and deal with.

[Skyryder]

Does this benefit the dog or is it just for show?? What about the docked tails - same thing???

No it's not. Doberman tails if left undocked are long and curl up. While it is true that docking is part of the breed's standard they are docked for practical purposes too.

I've had two dobies. Would get another but home environment is unsuitable. They can take a lot handling but if you are prepared to put in the time they make a great guard dog and a family pet too. However with most dogs you have to be careful if their are strangers in your house. That's how the dog see's your friends untill they know better.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

dude.
a standard poodle is a badass dog.
i still have the scar.

Yep that's for sure. Teeth like saws. Rip you to pieces in seconds.

Skyryder

[KLOWN]

couldn't be bothered reading all the posts so if this been said before i apologise. I can't stand dogs that have cropped ears and docked tails, not for looks but the pain the dog endures(sp) for the look. Also if you want the ears sticking up aswell as cropped the ears have to be in a kind of brace while they are a puppy to keep them pointing up later on in life. If you want a good guard dog a rhodesian ridgeback is an excellent guard dog, no training required, they were originally bred to attack lions in rhodesia. They are very brave and very loyal and very distrusting of strangers. I have wanted one for ages and have talked to alot of breeders and owners of the dog and heard many a story of a burglar(sp) being cornered and begging for help when the owner came home. Or another one when a ridgeback had a burglar held by the throat and was pinning him and everytime he tried to move the dog would tighten his grip. Need lots of food and exercise though and cost about $1000.
Any dog you get will need to be properly looked after and exercised guard dog or family pet.

[Hitcher]

they are docked for practical purposes too.
And what "practical purposes" would those be Ted?

[Shadows]

Dogs suck.. you have to walk them and shit. Get a gun.

[Skyryder]

The reason doberman ears are docked is so that they can not be grabbed. I am not too sure but I think it was the Germans who first cropped the ears and it was for the reasons stated. There are ways of disabling agressive dogs but you have to know what you are doing and how to do it. Cropped ears just make it that much more difficult.

Cropped ears are not part of the breed's standard and I don't think you can show a dog with cropped ears in NZ. You can in the States

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

And what "practical purposes" would those be Ted?

Thier tails are too long and the dog has litttle control over it. In other words it can not groom the tail. That good enough for you or do you want more reasons
Dick.

Skyryder

[Jackrat]

It is now against the law to nip dogs' ears and tails. No doubt there will be some neanderthal breeders who continue to prioritise fashion over animal welfare. But they will be easy to find and deal with.

Tail docking is not illegal and if common sence prevails it won't be.
Working dogs of the gun dog types have their tails docked "normaly 3/4" to help prevent damage.GSP's Visla's and other pointers regularly break their tails by hitting them against trees,branches ect.These dogs are made up breeds,they havn't naturaly developed and their tails are very light and easily damaged.
Some of these breeds have been selectivly bred for so long they are now often born without tails in much the same way some cattle are born polled today.
There's a lot of misinformation being put about on these subjects,,having people that are addicted to using big words in an atempt to make themselfs look more intelligent than they really are doesn't help.
Neanderthal,,,,:tugger:

[cowpoos]

Tail docking is not illegal and if common sence prevails it won't be.
Working dogs of the gun dog types have their tails docked "normaly 3/4" to help prevent damage.GSP's Visla's and other pointers regularly break their tails by hitting them against trees,branches ect.These dogs are made up breeds,they havn't naturaly developed and their tails are very light and easily damaged.
Some of these breeds have been selectivly bred for so long they are now often born without tails in much the same way some cattle are born polled today.
There's a lot of misinformation being put about on these subjects,,having people that are addicted to using big words in an atempt to make themselfs look more intelligent than they really are doesn't help.
Neanderthal,,,,:tugger:

name a breed of cattle thats born with out a tail dude...


EDIT: I made a reading mistake as pointed out by patrick....so i will apologise to me self and except it gracefully...thankyou

[WINJA]

name a breed of cattle thats born with out a tail dude... I think you'll find its better to be though of as a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt
MAYBE HE MEANT THE HORNS

[Matt Bleck]

Chain it up, and don't let anyone touch or feed it but you.

When you go out let it off the chain.....

[Big Dave]

Chain it up, and don't let anyone touch or feed it but you.

When you go out let it off the chain.....


We've got an 11 year old Dalmation that farts. *sigh*

The best dog we ever had was a well bred German Shepherd - champion stock. A magnificent beast - He wasn't that easy to train just btw, but it always made good decisions with the kids and 'protecting' them.

The hair and the mountains of turd put me off another one.

Never had one, and all the ones I've known have been placid dogs, but i never quite trust a doberman IYKWIM. It's that look in the eye - or lack of it.

[Big Dave]

name a breed of cattle thats born with out a tail dude.

The Sirloin.

[Ixion]

MAYBE HE MEANT THE HORNS

Yes. "Polled" cattle are those without horns. Either because the horns have been removed, or because the beast was born hornless, as some breeds are (Aberdeen Angus being one, I believe).

[cowpoos]

The Sirloin.

show me a link to this mysterious beast sir :shifty:

[Patrick]

The Steakhouse in Leach Street, NEW PLYMOUTH. Can come with prawns too...as well as garlic and pepper...mmmmmm. Are in thephone book too. Is that a good enough link?

[WINJA]

The Steakhouse in Leach Street, NEW PLYMOUTH. Can come with prawns too...as well as garlic and pepper...mmmmmm. Are in thephone book too. Is that a good enough link?
THAT SOUNDS DELICIOUS, I WENT TO ONE IN WELLY IN THE RED LIGHT DISTRICT AND GOT THE ABOVE BUT WITH MUSHROOM SAUCE

[onearmedbandit]

When you say the above WINJA, and the Red Light District, are you referring to your Avatar? Mushroom sauce, hmmmmmm.

[WINJA]

When you say the above WINJA, and the Red Light District, are you referring to your Avatar? Mushroom sauce, hmmmmmm.
NOT THERE I WOULDNT , THE WAITRESS WAS A TRANNY , AND IM NOT SURE WHAT THE CHEF WAS , IS ,HAS BEEN

[cowpoos]

The Sirloin.

still waiting

[Finn]

Dogs suck..

They can do but it requires alot of training.

[Patrick]

THAT SOUNDS DELICIOUS, I WENT TO ONE IN WELLY IN THE RED LIGHT DISTRICT AND GOT THE ABOVE BUT WITH MUSHROOM SAUCE

They should pop in to the STD clinic... I think they have ointments for that....

[Jackrat]

name a breed of cattle thats born with out a tail dude... I think you'll find its better to be though of as a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt

For an ex cocky your not very bright are you?
POLLED means no horns.
What was that you were saying about being thought a fool??
But don't worry,you can still remove that post before EVERYBUGGER reads it

[Patrick]

Read it (4 more characters)

[Hitcher]

Yes. "Polled" cattle are those without horns. Either because the horns have been removed, or because the beast was born hornless, as some breeds are (Aberdeen Angus being one, I believe).
Polled cattle are those that genetically do not produce horns. The poll gene is a recessive trait that has been carefully selected for in some breeds -- most famously the Polled Angus, for which there is now no horned form. Merely lopping the horns off or bud-burning young cattle makes them hornless, not polled.

[spudchucka]

I pity any dog that is forced to live on planet Mikey.

[Pixie]

I was disappointed I didn't find a badly mauled burglar,
Are you sure brutus didn't eat him all up?

[Pixie]

show me a link to this mysterious beast sir :shifty:
:Offtopic: :Offtopic:
Homer: Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. Lisa honey, are you
saying you're *never* going to eat any animal again? What about
bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad! Those all come from the same animal!
Homer: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

[Ogri]

Where's Mikey gone? You're conspicuous by your absence matey. Oh, BTW, I've found my rusty Stanley knife - ready when you are :tugger:

[Finn]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

A Chihuahua with a mohawk perhaps? That'll staunch you up!

Don't be fooled by the size of the mighty Chihuahua. A mate of mine's actually killed a Doberman. It got stuck in it's throat.

Well I got my dogs tale docked. I asked him if he minded and he just gave me this blank look, so off it came. Also, his nuts are in a jar on the mantle piece just to remind him whos boss. And if he chews any more of my shoes I'll be docking his fucking head.

[Ixion]

Polled cattle are those that genetically do not produce horns. The poll gene is a recessive trait that has been carefully selected for in some breeds -- most famously the Polled Angus, for which there is now no horned form. Merely lopping the horns off or bud-burning young cattle makes them hornless, not polled.

I take refuge in the dictionary.


verb: polled, poll·ing, polls.

transitive verb

1. To receive (a given number of votes).
2. To receive or record the votes of: polling a jury.
3. To cast (a vote or ballot).
4. To question in a survey; canvass.
5. To cut off or trim (hair, horns, or wool, for example); clip.
6. To trim or cut off the hair, wool, branches, or horns of: polled the sheep; polled the trees.


Trees can be polled also, when they become pollards. And used as hedging

[WINJA]

I take refuge in the dictionary.


Trees can be polled also, when they become pollards. And used as hedging
SO IT MAY INCLUDE A TAIL OR EARS THEN

[Ixion]

Any dangly or sticking out bits, I imagine. Let your imagination run wild.

[kro]

starry starry night .......

[WINJA]

name a breed of cattle thats born with out a tail dude...


EDIT: I made a reading mistake as pointed out by patrick....so i will apologise to me self and except it gracefully...thankyou
YOU MAY HAVE GROUNDS TO TAKE THIS APOLOGY BACK , BUT LETS GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT , HOW BOUT POLLING MIKEY PENIS , HE WONT BE TO UPSET CAUSE HES NUTTIER THAN ONE OF MY SHITS AFTER IVE BEEN EATING CASHEWS

[cowpoos]

YOU MAY HAVE GROUNDS TO TAKE THIS APOLOGY BACK , BUT LETS GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT , HOW BOUT POLLING MIKEY PENIS , HE WONT BE TO UPSET CAUSE HES NUTTIER THAN ONE OF MY SHITS AFTER IVE BEEN EATING CASHEWS

what grounds bro?

[WINJA]

what grounds bro?
A TAIL IS A DANGLY BIT

[mstriumph]

i'm with winja ---- if cuttin dangly bits off animals is ok then ........ well, mikey is an animal

[as we all are]

[mstriumph]

I take refuge in the dictionary.


Trees can be polled also, when they become pollards. And used as hedging

soooooooooo - if you trim the roots instead of the tops, they become bollards? :whistle:

[Pillick]

hmmm, I think you are required by law to cut off dangly bits these days... you want to neuter everyone who gets thier pets spayed? I know it doesnt sound very nice, but theres lots of good reasons to lop varous bits an pieces off animals...

Not saying that mikey has a good reason though.

[Colapop]

Polled cattle are those that genetically do not produce horns. The poll gene is a recessive trait that has been carefully selected for in some breeds -- most famously the Polled Angus, for which there is now no horned form. Merely lopping the horns off or bud-burning young cattle makes them hornless, not polled.
Mikey, get a Polled Angus - those f*ckers are badasses! The old man got a couple of calves from the saleyards to fatten up and chucked them in the river paddock (wild place) for about 18 months. When we got them out, the Hereford was fine (dumbass) but the Angus! That f*cker was as mean as it was black - and it was as dark as the black night.




wasn't badder than the .303 though...

[Skyryder]

I think there is a breed of cattle called Black Pole. Real mean mother fuckers. Especaialy the cows with young. They had horns. Short stubby ones.

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

The Black Poll is just another name for a Polled Angus (or Aberdeen Angus, they're all the same). The Murray Grey is a stablised recessive grey-gene Angus and is also polled. Polled cattle inherit lack of horns, so if cattle have stubby horns, they have been dehorned rather than being genetically disposed that way.

[Colapop]

Horns or no horns an Angus will still have a go at ya. The go best with roast taters and fresh greens!

Along the same lines - polling a cattle beast is that in the same category as polling a dog's ears or tail? I'm speaking in terms of the humanity of the procedure. Would the procedure affect the animal (cattle) in the same way as as it would a dog? Or even sheep for that matter? Although I understand given the fly stike problem it's a health related issue for sheep.

[mikey]

his hair would be a good start
my girl had a hack at it few weeks ago........

I pity any dog that is forced to live on planet Mikey.
awwww shucks thats nice mate

If you want to protect your property, spouse, stash - buy a gun and have the balls to use it!
already got an arsenal, but im not at home all day long. which is why i want a dog!

I wouldn't sanction giving mikey a bike licence let alone a gun licence!
dont have either...... but who honestly lets having a licence stop them.

i formally volunteer to hold little mikey down while someone "trims" his ears.
come on mikey - it's not a big thing - right?

Ok Badcat you're on, I formally volunteer to do the cutting. Now, let's see - I have a rusty old Stanley knife in my toolbox and I think we'll dispense with the alcohol and piece of wood for biting on, eh?

Where's Mikey gone? You're conspicuous by your absence matey. Oh, BTW, I've found my rusty Stanley knife - ready when you are :tugger:

what a bunch of useless fuks. slight lack of comprehension skills....
read the first post in the thread. thendo come round with "your stanley knife an chop my ears off to improve my image an make me look mean" if you still think thats what im on about. but if your really that thick, you wont find my place even if i showed you the way. an you probably cant work a stanley knife either.

good day fukers.

[Hitcher]

Along the same lines - polling a cattle beast is that in the same category as polling a dog's ears or tail? I'm speaking in terms of the humanity of the procedure.
Dehorning cattle is covered by a code of welfare similar to the one for docking dogs. It's called the Painful Procedures Code and supports the Animal Welfare Act. In summary, horns can only be removed from adult cattle under verterinary supervision and with the necessary anaesthetic and blood coagulating drugs. Same go for velvetting stags.

[Ogri]

Well Mikey, you have just confirmed my opinion that you are an utter arsehole
:tugger:

[Colapop]

Dehorning cattle is covered by a code of welfare similar to the one for docking dogs. It's called the Painful Procedures Code and supports the Animal Welfare Act. In summary, horns can only be removed from adult cattle under verterinary supervision and with the necessary anaesthetic and blood coagulating drugs. Same go for velvetting stags.
Now that you mention it was there something in the paper last week (?) about a farmer than got fined for dehorning stags without proper vetinary supervision etc?

[Badcat]

waa waa waa waa.

I read your post first time.
why do you think vets won't do it?
because it's INHUMANE. butchering an animal for what boils down to your fashion sense is pretty low mikey.
and be called an idiot by YOU is pretty entertaining.

[buellbabe]

Hey Mikey, yr just not getting it are you?
You're entitled to yr own set of beliefs and moral code but as far as I am concerned no matter how much you try and justify ear-chopping- its mutilation.:ar15: :weird:

[Jackrat]

Dehorning cattle is covered by a code of welfare similar to the one for docking dogs. It's called the Painful Procedures Code and supports the Animal Welfare Act. In summary, horns can only be removed from adult cattle under verterinary supervision and with the necessary anaesthetic and blood coagulating drugs. Same go for velvetting stags.

Unfortunatly some people are still ignoring these laws.
Makes me happy I no longer have anything to do with farming when these discusions come up.Some of the things still going on would make a person sick.

[SDU]

I haven't read the whole thread so if its been said before....

If you want a dog just because you want to look tuff- You shouldn't get one at all. If you want to have a dog for mutilation do it to your self first. See how painful and pointless it is to do. People who mistreat animals really Fuck me off there should be stronger penalties.:angry2:
But If you want a dog as a guard dog, choose one from the pound, treat it good, as part off the family & it'll look out for you & yours out off loyalty. If you haven't trained a dog before go to classes.
If you go for a pure-breed research first. Some breeds are best not for 1st time owners, thats when they often end up in the pound or biting family & friends. :blank:
If you have any human decency talk to people who are in the veterinary field - cost you nothing to talk to nurses-animal welfare-breeders and learn what is best for you.

FACT: It is illegal to crop dogs ears here in NZ and many other countries.
It is something that is legal in the states- mainly to Danes & Dobermans & boxers-vets & others are trying to stop it over there too.

FACT: there are a lot off vets who refuse to dock dogs tails for fashion-including it being the standard for the breed.
Tail docking is under huge debate here. The Veterinary Association and welfare groups are trying to have it made illegal as well except for medical reasons. (Dogs tails are amputated due to serious injury where they can not save it)

It is not law to neuter/spay your dog / cat. It is encouraged as it reduces the risk of testicle, ovarian & mammary cancers in those pets as well as prevents thousands off unwanted animals.

[buellbabe]

2nd all that. I talked about my girls earlier in this thread. They are both rescued dogs and would fight to the death to protect me... cos they luv me and I give them the bestest life possible!

[scumdog]

I'm SURE mikey was just winding us all up, eh mikey? mikey?:whistle:

[mikey]

ogri,

if i let ya chop my ears will ya chop my dog's when i get it?

thought so.

get fucked.

actually turn up at my house with ya rusty stanleyknife an ill take your own advice. i would be prepared to use equal and necesary force to protect myself etc. stanley knife weighs as much as a 303 bullet right. so its equal. right?

[WINJA]

ogri,

if i let ya chop my ears will ya chop my dog's when i get it?

thought so.

get fucked.

actually turn up at my house with ya rusty stanleyknife an ill take your own advice. i would be prepared to use equal and necesary force to protect myself etc. stanley knife weighs as much as a 303 bullet right. so its equal. right?
MIKEY IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT YOU NEED PROTECTION MAYBE YOU CAN BE SOMEONES BITCH .
SERIOUSLY IF YOU WANT A DOG TO PROTECT YOU GET A GERMAN SHEPARD FEMALE , THEY TEND TO BE MATERNAL AND PROTECT THEIR OWNERS

[scumdog]

MIKEY IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT YOU NEED PROTECTION MAYBE YOU CAN BE SOMEONES BITCH .
SERIOUSLY IF YOU WANT A DOG TO PROTECT YOU GET A GERMAN SHEPARD FEMALE , THEY TEND TO BE MATERNAL AND PROTECT THEIR OWNERS

Nah, probably got more self preservation instinct than maternal instinct and will shoot-through as soon as it can!!:laugh: :killingme

[bluninja]

What's all this first time owner crap. Unless you train dogs for a living, or you get rid of them after a few years how many dogs will you own in a lifetime?? My first dog only managed 16 years and the second 17.5, so my 3rd dog should see me through till I'm 60 (when I'm ready and able to have another).

As for the cropping/docking issue. Not one for ears I can't think of any justification from a working dog point of view. If the tail was an issue in guard/attack dogs then I guess police dogs would all have short coats and no tail, but they don't. So I guess it's still a fashion thing.

Personally if I wanted my property guarding I'd have 2 dogs. A lot of people think they can handle 1 dog, but 2 gives em something else to think about.

[buellbabe]

AS IF, whats the dog going to do? sniff the butt of the bad guy? lick his hand! Pound dogs suck, love them, and they suck even more!

Get a "MEAN" dog, be "MEAN" to it, and you have a dog that will be "MEAN" when you need it too, sure theres the risk you might need a face trasnplant when it goes you, but just make the dog fear you. Kick it in the head a few times, they call it "tough love".
etc etc


hope you are just stirring...
people like you make me wish we still had a death penalty

[laRIKin]

stop feeding the trolls.

[mikey]

cheers farts. i found that amusing.
i actually think if your that cruel to ya dog it would turn on you

[naughtygirl]

Iv never seen one with chopped ears...what do they look like? anyone got a kinda before ad after pic?

[Colapop]

These two photos show what ear croppers are trying to achieve (mostly) and what it invariably turns out like.

[mikey]

fuk no!!!!!!

not like that

[Colapop]

That's what the first foto shows only with boxers insted of Dobermans. Even found a couple of fotos of great danes with it done.

[mikey]

i even found a blue nose dobe o nthe net.

didnt know they existed....

you do see some shocking clipped ear jobs on the net though........

[Colapop]

PR if you read through this thread you'll find some interesting discussion on the topic..... No need to search the net when it's already here aye?