braided lines...legal????

[montsta56]

Took bike for a warrant at testing station an the blokes there reckon my braided brake lines need to be certified ??? true or false???:mellow:

[Flyingpony]

From what I remember reading other posts on here:
the need to be certified comes from the fact your braided lines don't have numbers stamped on them.

Having braided lines is not illegal but they'll need numbers.

[Sniper]

True, the lines need to be certified to NZ standards.

[emaN]

oooo, guess i've been lucky so far then.

mine say "Earls", that's it...

shame you can't try another testing station either - them days are gone.

so what now? does he have to get another set of lines?

[James Deuce]

Had to replace the braided lines on my TRX for certified ones. Very annoying.

[vifferman]

From what I remember reading other posts on here:
the need to be certified comes from the fact your braided lines don't have numbers stamped on them.

Having braided lines is not illegal but they'll need numbers.
True.
I had my beautiful Aerotek BSR lines on my VTR for less than a week when I had to have them replaced with some that were almost identical (actually slightly inferior) but with number printed on the sheathing of the lines.
Was actually my first post on here, asking the same question as you.

[imdying]

Screw together ones can't be certified, as they can be taken apart and reassembled without replacing the retaining olive, which is bad. Crimp ones are easy enough though, I've made a couple. I use Nelson fittings, which are the same ones used on rubber hose, certified to 1702, and then spacers to accomodate the thinner braided line.

Not really a fan though... I've seen the rubber outer on a regular line take 4000psi without bursting, when the inner had given up. You don't get that insurance on braided. I've also got low expansion rubber hose, which is nice for bikes (and trailers with really long sliding draw bars :D)

[Postie]

as we are talking about braided lines, where's the best place to get them and what price are they normally?

[FlyingDutchMan]

I just got my WOF in the weekend. Got front braided line, with a plastic sheathing (I think its got the standard on it), and its a screw together. Got a warrent no troubles whats so ever.

[imdying]

Yep, I've had cars with larger motors WOF'd, doesn't mean it's legal though.

[F5 Dave]

Alert engineering in Auckers does Hel brand lines with cert no.s

[Rashika]

I just got my WOF in the weekend. Got front braided line, with a plastic sheathing (I think its got the standard on it), and its a screw together. Got a warrent no troubles whats so ever.
Sooooo just for the record where did you get the WOF from?
And does this mean you are back on the road again?

[HenryDorsetCase]

oooo, guess i've been lucky so far then.

mine say "Earls", that's it...

shame you can't try another testing station either - them days are gone.

so what now? does he have to get another set of lines?

what if Earl wants his braided lines back?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I just got a braided line made up by Pitlane in Christchurch. I havent had to get a wOF yet (next month). But Don has assured me 100% that due to the construction and the wee printed numbers on the line, I wont have an issue.

Time will tell.

[FlyingDutchMan]

Sooooo just for the record where did you get the WOF from?
And does this mean you are back on the road again?

Got the lines put in by Don at Pitlane/Cycletreads. Got the WOF at VTNZ station in sockburn. The guy (he rides/fixes bikes too) looked a little dubious about my homebuilt speedo/odo, but he didn't have the slightest problem with the brake lines. And the bike isn't really running, the head gaskett is still screwed, but its close enough that I can get there and back before it runs out of water and it overheats. I've got another engine which is getting a full going over (valve seating, clearances, cooling system, etc), before being put in. Between two engines I recon I can get one awesome one, and a positively crap one.

[TygerTung]

If you love your braided lines so much, why not just wack on some rubber ones for a wof, then put the braided ones back on when you get home.

I take no responsobility for the concequences though.

[Brian d marge]

I know what the Law is trying to fix , those savages who think they can fix stuff, like lowering a car by cutting the springs and zip tying the now flopping freely spring to something as its now noisy

But what happens if someone like me , comes along builds my own brake system from quality stuff * there are economy hoses from good suppliers* and does it properly

only to have a less experience tester ( which I am sure there are) come along and say no???

Now MOST testers are pretty good and reasonable, but there is always the odd sod. ( Has that old tit retired at sockburn testing station???)

I would be pissed

Stephen

[imdying]

The problem is, you will eventually sell your bike. The next guy will want to do xxx to his brakes, maybe just clean the calipers or the forks or the wheel or the... He'll undo the hose at the fitting, instead of removing the banjo bolt (don't laugh seen it done more than once). Hey presto, your assemble once hoses are now reassembled, and dodgy. That's why crimped fittings are the only legal product.

I haven't seen any substandard screw together braided lines (not saying they don't exist), but it isn't the product that's the problem. It's the monkeys who put em together, either now or in the future.

Also, there's no safety backup built into them, when the inner goes, it's all over, no outer casing to save you. They also can't see their condition during a warrant. They always look new on the outside, no matter the condition of the inner.

If you're in Christchurch, and you've made your own, come see me on a Saturday morning (me PM) before you fit them. I'll put your hoses through a tester. It'll cost you nothing, which is cheap for piece of mind.

[sefer]

Got the WOF at VTNZ station in sockburn. The guy (he rides/fixes bikes too) looked a little dubious about my homebuilt speedo/odo, but he didn't have the slightest problem with the brake lines.


I found Sockburn testing station a bit dodgey personally, too my zxr in last week and they barely looked at the thing. There is at least one thing (my repaired right peg/brake bracket) that I would have thought they'd take a good look at and they didn't even touch... Of course this is the same place that passed the same thing last time when it was cracked and not repaired.

[Brian d marge]

It's the monkeys who put em together, either now or in the future.


I'll put your hoses through a tester. It'll cost you nothing, which is cheap for piece of mind.

Both very good points. the monkey one is probably the be all and of the whole point !
The Ends I would use are Earls double nipple hose end, these are reusable BUT can be screwed up by even the most competant

I supose the thing that gets my back up is a law that say the competant have to go to someone else ( who may in fact be LESS competant ) to get something certified ?

I am the first person to work WITH someone /thing , but if its an Arse .. ( or I have to go out of my way to do a simple thing ) I get narked

Stephen