who can test you for your full bike licence

[Rashika]

Question: is it legal for someone who DOES NOT have a motorcycle licence to take someone for their full bike licence test?
And then fail them for a perhaps dodgy call of too high speed on the road?

A friend of a friend has had that happen to him yesterday.... The tester said he didn't have a licence but took him for the test anyway??? Is this correct?

[Sniper]

Thats not right. I thought ALL testers had to have a full license with a special endorsment. I was told that when I did my full

[Rashika]

ta sniper I will pass that on to him.
I was kinda taken back when I was told about it this morning.
The tester didn't normally take bikes, but the person who did was away. What I dont get is why they didn't reschedule his test? Instead of doing a maybe dodgy fail...seems like a moneymaking exercise to me.

[pritch]

I've emailed someone to get a definitive answer, but we do have experts within KB.

While it would not be unduly burdensome for a tester to have a motorcycle licence, that might not be the case for some of the less common classes of licence: truck and trailer, Tracked vehicles, bus, taxi, etc. It may not be practical for someone to hold all those licences. The tester has to (used to?) have a specific licence to test. Maybe that licence covers all classes?

I'm sure we will have an authoritative answer soon enough.

[Rashika]

I've emailed someone to get a definitive answer, but we do have experts within KB.

While it would not be unduly burdensome for a tester to have a motorcycle licence, that might not be the case for some of the less common classes of licence: truck and trailer, Tracked vehicles, bus, taxi, etc. It may not be practical for someone to hold all those licences. The tester has to (used to?) have a specific licence to test. Maybe that licence covers all classes?

I'm sure we will have an authoritative answer soon enough.
Ta for that :Punk:
Would be interesting to see what the answer actually is.
I can understand that it may be difficult to have a licence for all classes, but would have thought that having the main ones like car, bike, HT would be a requirement for most testers anyway?
Sounds like my friend is getting a bit of a runaround from the testing place at the moment, he has made a complaint about it, and is not really getting an answer...yet anyway.

[crashe]

Contact your local AA testing station and ask them...
As they are the ones who do these tests..

Just ring them up and do a general enquiry (for yourself lol)

Or you could PM our local cops on the site and ask them the rules.

[Swoop]

Have been speaking to a workmate who is involved with testing.
The licence tester (examiner) must have an endorsement to their licence as#1 an examiner, and ALSO #2 must hold that licence class which is being examined.

Hope this helps.

[magicfairy]

must have an endorsement to their licence as# an examiner, and ALSO #2 must hold that licence class which is being examined.


I seemed to remember a thread some months ago on this subject, and I think (but am not sure) that the exception was motorcycle licensing, the examiner did not have to have license.
But I could be wrong of course :)

[Rashika]

I seemed to remember a thread some months ago on this subject, and I think (but am not sure) that the exception was motorcycle licensing, the examiner did not have to have license.
But I could be wrong of course :)
hmmm...been hunting but cant find a thread about it, yet anyway.

[Krusti]

Years ago when I was a testing officer for the MOT....I was able to test for any class of license forklifts etc included. Had to be able to pass all written tests myself but was not given license. Even had to pay for my HT myself.

So .. no they don't have to hold the license.

Hope this helps.....

Signed......"reformed snake"

[pritch]

My expert, a former Senior Chief traffic Officer/ Police inspector replied as follows:

Testing Officers have to have a Testing Officers Class of licence it is Class 0

They do not have to hold the class they are testing for though most of us did, not sure about current testers now.

[Rashika]

My expert, a former Senior Chief traffic Officer/ Police inspector replied as follows:

Testing Officers have to have a Testing Officers Class of licence it is Class 0

They do not have to hold the class they are testing for though most of us did, not sure about current testers now.
Thanks for that! :)
amazing that they dont HAVE to hold the class really! That does surprise me.

[Motu]

But they have to hold Testing Officers Class - I don't know that entails,but I don't think every Cop has one.

[Ixion]

I seemed to remember a thread some months ago on this subject, and I think (but am not sure) that the exception was motorcycle licensing, the examiner did not have to have license.
But I could be wrong of course :)

Just so. Absurd though it is. The thread was http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=14598

Post #48 in particular.

[Rashika]

Just so. Absurd though it is. The thread was http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=14598

Post #48 in particular.
Cheers mate, thats exactly what I needed! .... and just about before my time on KB :)

[cowboyz]

And then fail them for a perhaps dodgy call of too high speed on the road?

But does one really need a bike licence to tell if someone is speeding or not? The speed limit is there. The tester obviously knows what it is. If you are going to speed when on your best behaviour (assuming you are being as it is a test and all) then what happens when out on the road alone?

How do you get a "dodgy" call on high speed? Either youre speeding or not. Shouldn't be anything dodgy about it.

Unless, of course that the biker didn't know he was speeding and that indicates no throttle control or awareness of speed and therefore should fail.


huh?

[Cibby]

But does one really need a bike licence to tell if someone is speeding or not? The speed limit is there. The tester obviously knows what it is. If you are going to speed when on your best behaviour (assuming you are being as it is a test and all) then what happens when out on the road alone?

How do you get a "dodgy" call on high speed? Either youre speeding or not. Shouldn't be anything dodgy about it.

Unless, of course that the biker didn't know he was speeding and that indicates no throttle control or awareness of speed and therefore should fail.


huh?

yeah i thought the same thing except that he didnt say he was actually speeding! could have been any speed...

[Rashika]

But does one really need a bike licence to tell if someone is speeding or not? The speed limit is there. The tester obviously knows what it is. If you are going to speed when on your best behaviour (assuming you are being as it is a test and all) then what happens when out on the road alone?

How do you get a "dodgy" call on high speed? Either youre speeding or not. Shouldn't be anything dodgy about it.

Unless, of course that the biker didn't know he was speeding and that indicates no throttle control or awareness of speed and therefore should fail.


huh?
He was told he was failed due to speed...what speed i dont know. The testee seemed insistent that he wasn't speeding, and it is odd (to me anyway) that the tester told him that he didn't have a bike licence and didn't normally take the bikes.... seems a bit odd if you are confident that you are in the right why admit to something that may make the testee feel hard done by and also feel he has a right to complain?
Seems odd that 'speed' on its own was a failure, maybe it was several instances... I dont know, only have the info secondhand.
I do know there has to be several instances of whatever you did wrong to fail you.... except if you try to run someone down on say a pedestrian crossing...and NO that was not me! But i do know of an instance of that!:whistle:
Anyway have passed on the info to the person...hopefully they can use it however they see fit, cheers for your help guys! Always nice to know we have such a wealth of info out there in KB land :Punk: