$400 fine for no "L" plate

[knee_scraper]

I was breaking the law by not having a learner plate on my bike so, I deserve ever dollar of that fine. I've learned my lesson. But to be honest, I don't know how a cop has the heart to give a young guy who's a student on a part time job $400 for no "L" plate. I said to him, "I tried sticking it on with tap but it kept falling off". "Well screw it onto your number plate" he said. i felt like saying, "Is it just because it looks like a I have a fast bike?". To be honest, a fine like that makes me think twice about stopping next time. I know, its the wrong attitute etc, well i've learned my lesson but next time I might do a runner, especially being out in the country side like I was. Cops like that piss me off. Arogant. He said "what are you doing out here?" and I said "Just going for a ride and enjoying". Gosh. Anyway, maybe some of you more experienced riders might have something to say. Maybe just try and cool me down, I feel fired up =(

[skelstar]

Sounds like the cop was a wee bit harsh. Which part of the country? :whistle:

[Jackrat]

I Hope your not studying anything that's going to affect me some where down the line.

[Sniper]

Bugger, well I guess you were breaking the law and he was offering ways of stopping you getting another fine. Strange what a small bit of yellow plastic can save.

[Toast]

You were breaking the law...and you knew that you may get done for it...but having said that, myself and many I know got caught without them and were let off...

Most cops are smart enough to realise that it's often mroe practical to do without them, as the sight of it generally leads to other road users acting like assholes around you.

[Devil]

Dumbass.

Did you consider that because you're a student you cant afford to be hit with fines that are so easy to avoid?

[k14]

don't see where you're coming from mate. you broke the law and you were fined for it, simple as that, take it like a man.

[magicfairy]

Don't give up. Write a letter to the address on the ticket, explain you had it on with tape and it fell off. Be courteous and beg for mercy.
Worth a try, worked for my son who got caught on his scooter with no L plate.
And it will buy you another 28 days to pay the ticket.

[SimJen]

proves a point, most cops are wankers.......
far too harsh, yet you get knocked off your bike by someone in a car and they'd get less of a fine if any.

[Devil]

proves a point, most cops are wankers.......
far too harsh.
Can you explain your logic?
Law says you get a fine for not displaying L plate.
No L plate was displayed, he got a fine.

How is that harsh?

Why dont people just do something about the law that says you have to have an L plate instead of giving the cops shit for doing their job.

[SimJen]

because to quote a million other posts on here cops use their "discretion" when giving tickets......so they often aren't fully complying with the law either.
How could you justify a $400 ticket for something so minor, yes its the law but come on. A missing L plate is not going to kill someone!!!!
unlike a speeding semitrailer with a full load. Their attentions need to be focused on the real issues.....not just revenue gathering excersises.

[knee_scraper]

Your right Devil. It's the law. If i'm frustrated then I obviously have a lesson to be learned. I could have prevented the fine by having an L plate but I didn't.
I was stopped heading up toward the Rimataka's.

Anyway, sorry to make such a post. I will take it like a man, end of story.

I guess its hard to enjoy my bike on my learners.

[Swoop]

A shame about that, it's the law though.
Main question: Were you doing anything that attracted his attention? Surely the nice policeman had better things to do with his day than simply stopping bikers for an "L plate check"....

[Ixion]

It must be said that the penalty for such a breach seems disproportionately severe when compared to, say, that for failing to stop at a red line, or failing to keep to one's own side of the road. The latter are really dangerous. I am not sure what real world detriment might incur from failing to display an L plate. It seems merely to be a bureaucratic omission. Yet it is more heavily amerced than the former.

[SimJen]

Nice words Ixion :)

[Devil]

I guess its hard to enjoy my bike on my learners.
Yes. It is. But it wont be long...

[MSTRS]

Said it before and here it is again. Andie Knackersinasack is the prat responsible for these sorts of ridiculous rules. You can't appeal to his logic cos there is none. And you can't vote him out of office either.
Tis better to use the L plate but FFS go with the traffic flow when in 100k zones

[Lazy7]

wow. $400??? for no L plate.

you sure you weren't riding a Hyabusa on your learners?

did it have a rego and warrant???

i would have thought the no L plate fine would have been around $50???

how can they find you $400 for no L plate but only $200 for no rego???

[SimJen]

Said it before and here it is again. Andie Knackersinasack is the prat responsible for these sorts of ridiculous rules. You can't appeal to his logic cos there is none. And you can't vote him out of office either.
Tis better to use the L plate but FFS go with the traffic flow when in 100k zones

And someone give him a new haircut.....its so 90's :)

[MSTRS]

wow. $400??? for no L plate.

you sure you weren't riding a Hyabusa on your learners?

did it have a rego and warrant???

i would have thought the no L plate fine would have been around $50???

how can they find you $400 for no L plate but only $200 for no rego???
Right there is the logic we are talking about.

[knee_scraper]

He pulled me over for exceeding the limit by 13kmh. That was $80, then he gave me $400 for no L plate.

[Sniper]

So exceeding YOUR 70kph limit or the 100Kph limit? Either or, you got stung.

[knee_scraper]

yes I had war and reg

[Devil]

i would have thought the no L plate fine would have been around $50???

how can they find you $400 for no L plate but only $200 for no rego???
The no L-plate thing comes under the umbrella of breaking your licence conditions, which there is a $400 fine for each offence. eg. Carrying a pillion on your learners/restricted, exceeding 70km/h on your learners. Riding after 10pm yadda yadda.

Its pretty fucked up.

[The Stranger]

Why dont people just do something about the law that says you have to have an L plate instead of giving the cops shit for doing their job.

Just doing their job.
F%^K I hate that excuse!!!
I understand that came up a lot at the Nurenburg tirals too.
I mean hey if it's your job you got to do it right?
It's your job, you can't possibly change it can you?
You can't possibly use any discression, after all it's your job.
Well get another f&*ken job useless bastard!

It's like "company policy", how may times do you get hit with that one? The ultimate defences Company policy and just doing my job.
both of which usually elict a severe and unpleasent response from me.

They are just euphemisms for
"I'm a fuckwit who can't possibly think for myself"

[MSTRS]

There's a lot to be said for working within the cistern.....I mean, system

[Devil]

Just doing their job.
F%^K I hate that excuse!!!
Woah woah woah. Are you saying that if cop X thinks law Y is trivial that he should just ignore it?

[Zed]

Sheesh i didn't know the fine for no L-plate was THAT horrendous! I feel for you KS, $400 is a great sum for a lowly student to afford. :pinch:

I believe the general consensus on KB over the years has been to ditch the L-plate and make up excuses *if* you get caught...i spose that is actually bad advice considering the penalty...IF the copper decides to enforce it that is!

[SwanTiger]

I'll be fucken damned if I'll ever ride with an 'L plate', look at the treatment people in cars receive let alone those on motorcycles.

Question is though, were you exceeding your 70kmph limit or the road 100kmph limit?

[Deviant Esq]

I'll be fucken damned if I'll ever ride with an 'L plate', look at the treatment people in cars receive let alone those on motorcycles.

Exactly.

Virtually every other learner I know never has one on their bike either. I mean, why advertise breaking licence conditions both by travelling at 100km/h and being out after 10pm, with your L plate on? If you get pulled over, you should fully expect to have the book thrown at you. You don't have to like it a great deal, but you have to live with it.

Your trouble is you were doing something that gave the policeman an excuse to pull you over - you were doing more than 10km/h over the posted limit. It's a bummer, especially when it's so trivial like your speed, but so many times they'll pick up other things in general inspection - no WOF, no REG, unsafe vehicle modifications, breaking licence conditions... and it's too much money too easily for them to let you off. They have their quotas to make after all.

Nasty way to do it, but welcome to KB.

[The Stranger]

Let me answer that question with a question.

Are you saying that all crimes should be punished to the maximum extent possible under the law?

What about someone whom makes a simple but otherwise harmless mistake? And which human hasn't?

My point is, if everyone, police included, were punished at all times for every offence they ever committed to the maximum extent possible under the law we would all be in a lot of shit.

Maybe there is a middle ground, we could call it "discretion" for want of a better term.

But beyond that even, The police should ignore a stupid and or unjust or immoral law. It is not that long ago in the history of man they used to burn whtches, or Jews used to have to wear a star. So yes people should not blindly accept what they are told and should be capable of thinking for themselves and should have the courage to stand up to an unjust rule, law or government etc.

In this instance a $400.00 fine for no L plate is an over reaction. A warning such as "next time I see you without an L plate you have got a $400.00 fine" would have achieved the same end would it not?

[SimJen]

They still burn so called witches in India, we haven't moved on much....

[Devil]

I completely disagree in this instance. Something at the low end of the scale like breaking your licence conditions doesn't carry a variable punishment. As far as I'm aware you're either going to get done for $400, or your not. They're not going to pick say $150 and leave it at that. In this kind of clear cut offence there is no optional interpretation or different meaning to be had, either it was on, or it was off.

Instead of moaning about a cop applying a law that you think is arse, do something about getting the law changed.

[Postie]

I'm sorry to hear that you got raped by the cop for not displaying a Loser plate.
I would write in and try to point your point across. Just advise that you have learned your lesson and if you could be granted some leniency, you will aspire to use your L plate until you get you R licence. If you have a cleanish record, you might have a shot. you have nothing to lose so you may as well give it a shot. Good luck with it.

[awesker]

bummer man, welcome to the club, I got wasted with the same fine just outside of h-town, just before xmas. It seems they hassle me more on the highways than in the city. No way to get out or it really, and to be honest I think its seriously dangerous to go 70 on the highway, get overtaken by trucks and allsorts. Id rather get a fine than get ran over by a truck..

[Deviant Esq]

That's a very good point CaN, some good words right there.

I'm didn't say or suggest that all crimes should be punished to the full extent of the law, more that you shouldn't expect to get let off or given a lesser sentence. Trouble is with traffic laws such as this on, there is no harsh penalty or less harsh ones - the $400 fine applies every instance, it's either applied or it isn't. It's a harsh penalty when compared to other fines, sure, but it's the only punishment available.

I know what I'm trying to say, just not saying it very well. :wacko:
Edit: And someone beat me to it while I was cooking my breakfast. Dar.

Still, I'd definitely agree that a warning along the lines of "If I see you without it again, you'll be $400 poorer" would have been appropriate.

[Patrick]

.... A warning such as "next time I see you (not wearing seatbelt/no WOF/no reg/ whatever you have got a .... fine" would have achieved the same end would it not?

Warnings don't work... lost count of the warnings given only to see the same person later, usually much later, still doing the same old...

And as for the Nuremburg Trials... dunno what that has got to do with traffic enforcement... I thought they were somewhat "different":weird:

Mind you, with some of them, I wouldn't mind a gas chamber to put them into if we were ordered to...

So are we right in assuming it was 113kmph he was doing? Anyone will get a ticket for that, let alone a learner restricted to 70. The "Usual" would be for exceeding your 70kmph on the learners, but that is still a $400 fine, plus the 13kmph over the posted limit. Bugger the L plate fine, that would be discretion...(which you could get too if the attitude was crap...)

As someone said earlier, go with the flow, don't attract attention to yourself... speeding does attract attention.

Write in, bearing in mind what you have already said to the cop at the time, as notes are taken of explanations, and try to explain your way out of it. Point out fair enough about the speed part, but also problems experienced with wearing L plates from other road users etc. and you never know your luck... they may let the L plate thing slide. If you don't ask, you will miss out.

Welcome to the site too by the way... sometimes helps to outline the "full story" at the beginning (ie: I was speeding too...). Good luck.

[chickenfunkstar]

Hard luck dude. I know I didn't use an L plate when I was on my learners.

It definatly pays to be vigilant about things like speeding if you're already breaking your liscence conditions though. I.e. don't get stopped in the first place.

[justsomeguy]

They still burn so called witches in India, we haven't moved on much....

Water cooler gossip is so reliable huh??

KS - the law sucks but it's the law. So try and bear with it for 6 months. How clean is your record?? If this is your first offence you have a fighting chance of getting away.

Do not try and do a runner on a 250 unless you are really (really, really) skilled, it's not as easy as it sounds.

[The Stranger]

Warnings don't work... lost count of the warnings given only to see the same person later, usually much later, still doing the same old...


Great throw the book at them then.



And as for the Nuremburg Trials... dunno what that has got to do with traffic enforcement... I thought they were somewhat "different":weird:


Yeah you're right, at least there the accused was entitled a fair trial.

[Patrick]

Great throw the book at them then.

Usually do... coz they are dumbasses and took advantage of my good nature.

Yeah you're right, at least there the accused was entitled a fair trial.

As we all are here in P.C. New Zealand... if you feel wronged (justifiably, that is...) take it to court.

[SimJen]

courts seldom work where the defendant is up against the police.
The police are always right, unless you've got a JP or Judge thats just got a ticket......then and only then will you ever stand a chance.

[Charlie]

Hmmm, I still ride with no L plate. I did just once and feared so greatly for my life I took it off. No problems since and I was able to get on and LEARN to ride.
I've had my learners for nearly 18 mths, and although only been riding for 6 of them, I'm lazy and well overdue to go sit my restricted. Havent been pulled over and caught.... YET. So valid point that, like it or not, law is law; and seeing as I dont fancy parting with $400 I'm in the process of booking my test right now....

[Patrick]

I know I am always right...:nya: seen a few get tossed out at court though, but not my stuff...:whocares:

[*sic]

see a good way of getting away with it is to attach a corner (ie break off a corner of the yellow L plate) and attach it... it still looks like you "had" it on there, must have just snapped off one time when reversing.....

:D

[Drunken Monkey]

Water cooler gossip is so reliable huh??


Hell yes, Muhnochwa lives I say!
Stone him! Stone him!
Yay! We killed the beast!
Oh dear, it was my good neighbour Sanjay...

[Charlie]

... attach a corner (ie break off a corner of the yellow L plate) and attach it... ...
I've heard that 100 times. As I'm sure have the cops. They may frustrate you but they are not thick!

[Crazy Steve]

[QUOTE=knee_scraper] I don't know how a cop has the heart to give a young guy who's a student on a part time job $400 for no "L" plate. I said to him, "I tried sticking it on with tap but it kept falling off". "Well screw it onto your number plate" he said.

Sounds-like-a-$400-Screw:shit:

Crazy-Steve.

[SPORK]

When I'm driving after 10pm (with full license holder in the side seat) I take the L-plates off. And since it's dark they can't see what I look like. My driving's good enough so that they don't go "wtf is that prat doing? Must be drunk! Arrest time!"

Yeah, I'm a rebel. Never been pulled up yeah.

[FlyingDutchMan]

I got stung once for warrent 9 days over and no L-plate. $600. At the time I was a poor student, so I got a warrent, bought an L plate, sent in the receipts + WOF details and a sob story saying the old L plate had fallen off (it actually had - in my driveway though), and that doing $400 worth of speeding was far more dangerous than not having an L plate. They let off on both counts. I even wrote the letter out on refill to show how poor I was.

[MacD]

Yet it is more heavily amerced than the former.

Oh, my new word for today! Thanks :banana:

[Edbear]

Magic Fairy and Ixion spoke well, here, worth a try. Bit harsh to refer to the plates as "Loser Plates" though, Dixie, everyone has to start somewhere and these youngsters need all the encouragement we can give them. I personally give extra consideration to a biker on his learners, as it's a real jungle out there as we all well know! I never agreed with the 70k/mh limit for learners on the open road, (couldn't believe it when I learned about it!) it's a dangerous law and can only cause disruption and fear. We should all be lobbying for a law change if we don't agree, and I see no reason not to let Andy K know of our reasons for wanting a change. Write to your local MP, too. I think there are also some biker Polititions on our roads? Any know about this forum? PLease never try to do a runner, mate, esp. on a 250! It can only end in tears! I do think $400 is way too tough for the offence, though and I'm sure in your case a warning would have sufficed.;)

[scumdog]

because to quote a million other posts on here cops use their "discretion" when giving tickets......so they often aren't fully complying with the law either.
How could you justify a $400 ticket for something so minor, yes its the law but come on. A missing L plate is not going to kill someone!!!!
unlike a speeding semitrailer with a full load. Their attentions need to be focused on the real issues.....not just revenue gathering excersises.

Nobody has to 'justify' the fine - that is what it IS! it wasn't made up by the cop, the man KNEW if he was pinged that's what the fine would be.

And how many times do you expect somebody to be let off due to discretion?? Once? a hundred times???

Revenue gathering? - he GAVE it away, after all, it was so easily avoided eh?

[scumdog]

Let me answer that question with a question.



But beyond that even, The police should ignore a stupid and or unjust or immoral law. ?

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

[scumdog]

wow. $400??? for no L plate.

you sure you weren't riding a Hyabusa on your learners?

did it have a rego and warrant???

i would have thought the no L plate fine would have been around $50???

how can they find you $400 for no L plate but only $200 for no rego???

You better scramble to get your fine knowledge up to speed or you're going to get some nasty shocks sunshine.

i.e. Used a Vehicle to Cause Annoyance to any Person or Damage to any Road? - $600.

[RantyDave]

Maybe just try and cool me down, I feel fired up =(
Yeah, just that. I got (fairly majorly) pinged for speeding and frothed about it for a goodly long while. Finally got over it when I went back to where I was done and realised that if I didn't see a copper coming *there*, I deserved to be fined for not paying enough attention and looking at the ground in front of my bike instead of damn nearly everywhere.

I'm over it now, and you'll get over it too. Do try writing the letter though.

Dave

[scumdog]

Just doing their job.
F%^K I hate that excuse!!!
I understand that came up a lot at the Nurenburg tirals too.
I mean hey if it's your job you got to do it right?
It's your job, you can't possibly change it can you?
You can't possibly use any discression, after all it's your job.
Well get another f&*ken job useless bastard!

It's like "company policy", how may times do you get hit with that one? The ultimate defences Company policy and just doing my job.
both of which usually elict a severe and unpleasent response from me.

They are just euphemisms for
"I'm a fuckwit who can't possibly think for myself"

:woohoo: Haven't seen a tanty like that for a long time.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spudchucka]

In this instance a $400.00 fine for no L plate is an over reaction. A warning such as "next time I see you without an L plate you have got a $400.00 fine" would have achieved the same end would it not?
Depends how many "warnings" they have had previously. Also there have been a number of studies, (don't ask me to quote them because I don't have those details but I know they exist), that have shown that warnings have little or no long term effect as a deterent against traffic offences.

Personally I think the $400 fine for licence breaches is over the top and I only ever dish them out to those most deserving "special" people.

When I see a motor cyclist displaying an L plate the first thing that I think of is, "good, there's a biker who is abiding by the rules", and I won't even think about stoping them unless they are breaking some other law that brings them to my attention first.

[naughtygirl]

Bugger, Dam cops. Sumtime its great been a girl, ya can get away with sum stuff (i ran a stop and was speeding, he pulled me over, i was crying so he let me off and told me to go home :D)

[Devil]

i.e. Used a Vehicle to Cause Annoyance to any Person - $600.
Thats an amusing one! In what sort of situations have you used that?

[The Stranger]

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

Why yours of course scummy.
I do mean that, if such a law were to be passed I would expect you to have the intellect and moral fortitude to say fuck that I am not going to enforce it etc.

If you would absolutely blindly follow all directions given and uphold all laws no matter what they were I really don't consider you fit to be on the Police force because you would obviously be incapable of thinking for yourself.

[spudchucka]

Thats an amusing one! In what sort of situations have you used that?
It was a good one to use for burn outs before the specific sustained loss of traction offence was introduced. I've used it when I've caught dickheads doing skids on parks & reserves before too.

[CPB]

You were breaking the law...and you knew that you may get done for it...but having said that, myself and many I know got caught without them and were let off...

Most cops are smart enough to realise that it's often mroe practical to do without them, as the sight of it generally leads to other road users acting like assholes around you.

let alone the whole 70km on the open road...freakin dangerous going that slow...

[WINJA]

don't see where you're coming from mate. you broke the law and you were fined for it, simple as that, take it like a man.
THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

[SimJen]

Bugger, Dam cops. Sumtime its great been a girl, ya can get away with sum stuff (i ran a stop and was speeding, he pulled me over, i was crying so he let me off and told me to go home :D)

Jeez, thats the sort of discretion Im talking about. If you were a guy you would have had big fines.


Nobody has to 'justify' the fine - that is what it IS! it wasn't made up by the cop, the man KNEW if he was pinged that's what the fine would be.
And how many times do you expect somebody to be let off due to discretion?? Once? a hundred times???
Revenue gathering? - he GAVE it away, after all, it was so easily avoided eh?

Exactly my point regards discretion, you can never know if the cop will or won't hand out a fine, thats why the law needs to be fair and just and not just a blatant fat cash cow. If the law stated no L-Plates was $100 fine (quite a fair amount as it has no safety issues to be dealt with) then you'd expect a fine of $100 if the plate was not shown. As it currently stands you get a cop whos a cunt and he gives you a ticket for $400, get a cop whos a decent bloke, if you can find one ;) and he lets you off. Wheres the justice in that?
No point whinging though its not going to change, no point writing to MP's either, they can't do squat.

[Finn]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

So we have met before mate. That bitch had it coming though, fancy asking me to pick up my own dogs turd. So how did your sodomy case go? I was on your side, that kid did look 16 but calling the judge a stupid cunt wasn't very wise.

[SPman]

proves a point, most cops are wankers.......
.
Unfortunately, as in most regulatory services these days, becoming more and more true!
And totally disproportionate, fuckwit fines, certainly dont help....and the Beauracrats wonder why more and more people dont give a rats arse about serious crimes, when they are being hit with bullshit fines for very minor things....

[k14]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME
Yeah I agree with you there, the justice system in NZ is screwed up. But the facts still are that he broke the law and recieved the consequences of it. Its the law that is screwed up, not the people that are policing it.

[SPman]

You better scramble to get your fine knowledge up to speed or you're going to get some nasty shocks sunshine.

i.e. Used a Vehicle to Cause Annoyance to any Person - $600.
Yep, son of friends of mine got hit with that one...he "annoyed" a Senior Sergent by having a "boy racer" type , really tidy, clean car (this young guy is a perfectionist, his car was just really tidy), and accellerating to 50k at more than .00002G. No other reason. Defended in court, the cop changed his story 3 times, the kid had several witnesses to say his driving was inoffensive (and knowing him, I would believe him), people before him were getting hit with $400 fines for drunk driving...he gets hit with $600 !
He sold the car, bought a van (He's an apprentice chippie) and now has no respect at all for any law enforcement agency or enforcer.when,beforehand, he held them in reasonable respect.He thinks they are all a pack of cunts!
Yeah - how to win hearts and minds , eh........

. Its the law that is screwed up, not the people that are policing it.The people policing it are the public face of the law. If a few are cunts, then that is how the public perceive ALL of them!

[scumdog]

Why yours of course scummy.
I do mean that, if such a law were to be passed I would expect you to have the intellect and moral fortitude to say fuck that I am not going to enforce it etc.

.

So on those grounds if I were to like a toke or two I would see the drug laws as unreasonable and refuse to enforce them?

And if I was a pedophile........?

[loosebruce]

Got pulled once indicator bulb was out, etc etc cop said to me do you know how many L plates you can buy for the fine that it is for not having one, i asked him what an L plate was, is it a funny shaped numberplate, like an "L", he said No, and metioned i could get close to 40 of them, if he fined me, nice fella let me off. But now they got quota to make, and this was 5 odd years ago.

Oh and kneescraper, dont know if anyone has said this yet, but doing the runner on the open road on a 250cc 4 stroke is fucken dumb, you WILL get caught, a cop car is fast enough to keep up with FZR250, i know for a fact the HP can pass 200kph quite happily can you? around town is your best hope, but even then, you'll be pushing your luck.

[The Stranger]

Not sure if you are being serious here or merely an argumentitive prick

Ok you win, I accept that you are incapable of being reasonable and thinking for your self.

[Ixion]

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

But may not we, the public, reasonably expect our police force to exhibit commonsense and good judgement. Which is really what "discretion" is about- judgement and appropriate response in the given circumstances. Both attributes that I would think to be of great importance in a policeperson .

There are many laws that are not strictly enforced - not just in the context of traffic law. Go to any rugby game and enforce the strict letter of the law and the majority of the spectators and both teams playing would be locked up before the game was over.

The tinny house man may indeed see the drug laws as stupid - but he does not carry the Queen's warrant.

[Beemer]

Fair enough if they want to have rules and regulations, but $400 to me is really ridiculous. I don't think it is endangering your life or those around you to any great extent - and if you were speeding, the fine would be significantly less! But speed kills, doesn't it?

[inlinefour]

When I see a motor cyclist displaying an L plate the first thing that I think of is, "good, there's a biker who is abiding by the rules", and I won't even think about stoping them unless they are breaking some other law that brings them to my attention first.

If I sticka L plate on my 600 can I expect the same treatment?:rofl:
Bummer about the fine, guess you have learnt the hard way. The law is the law and I'm sure that you knew that you needed tp display the thing. Also, maybe if you had not been speeding then you might have not been noticed? Might have to take it to court and pay it off on weekly installments?:corn:

[inlinefour]

Yep, son of friends of mine got hit with that one...he "annoyed" a Senior Sergent by having a "boy racer" type , really tidy, clean car (this young guy is a perfectionist, his car was just really tidy), and accellerating to 50k at more than .00002G. No other reason. Defended in court, the cop changed his story 3 times, the kid had several witnesses to say his driving was inoffensive (and knowing him, I would believe him), people before him were getting hit with $400 fines for drunk driving...he gets hit with $600 !
He sold the car, bought a van (He's an apprentice chippie) and now has no respect at all for any law enforcement agency or enforcer.when,beforehand, he held them in reasonable respect.He thinks they are all a pack of cunts!
Yeah - how to win hearts and minds , eh........
The people policing it are the public face of the law. If a few are cunts, then that is how the public perceive ALL of them!

Then the Police complain that the public have lost respect for them. have the Police no common sense or what? Aunty Helen's nana brigade...:weird:

[TygerTung]

I have never displayed my L plate on my bike and never will, except for when I go for my restricted.

In my opinion displaying it is just asking for trouble, c*nts try to run you off the road, you'll get targetted if you're riding after ten or with pillion or over 70k

Not a good idea, and I think the fine is far too high, it isn't a safety issue, why do you only get a fine of $150 for not stopping at a stop sign or going through a red light, that could kill somebody, you ain't killing anyone with a bloody loser plate though do ya? And I'm not being mean about calling it a loser plate either, I'm on my loser licence myself.

[knee_scraper]

As you can imagine its not easy to take all at once. My intention in buying a bike was not just for transport but because I love riding. After owning my first bike for a couple of weeks I felt comfortable at just cruising down the motorway at 100kmh although, this is illegal. So why don't I have an 'L' plate? Because its uncool? no... I hardly care what people think. Could anyone and has anyone stayed below 70kmh for 6 months on their learners? I know I can't. I would get depressed. So that's why I don't have an 'L' plate, it just attracts attention to a capable rider.

Anyway. I'm going to do my best at writing a letter however, my gut feeling is that i'm going to have to pay this and that's fine, its the law and I broke it.

I don't want something like this to happen to anyone else on here so, my lesson and advice to all other learners is to do either one of threee things... Put an 'L' plate on and stick below 70kmh, otherwise leave the 'L' plate off and for goodness sake, don't go above the speed limit. Last of all, wait until you get a 600 then walk all over those freaking commadores :headbang:

[inlinefour]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

its criminal some of these wet bus tickets that get handed down by the justice system. yet they feel justified for an excessive fine for no L plate? :gob:

[Skyryder]

Have not read all the posts but at the risk of repeating someone................

What we have here is a cop unwilling to exercise his/her discretianary powers, with the result that one biker and a learner at that is now contemplating doing a runner that not only puts his life at risk but others all so. On top of that said biker now has a low esteem of the police and all that they stand for. Now in a black and white world............this guy broke the law, got caught, end of story. But when you consider his attitude now who is the winner. Ceratinly not the police. Certainly not the biker. And certainly not the general public. This is not a student thing but the cavelier attitude of youth.........and who here has not had that at some time or another in their life. The law allows the police some discretian in discharging their duties. What's it going to take for this to happen?

Skyryder

Skyryder

[Jamezo]

Your right Devil. It's the law. If i'm frustrated then I obviously have a lesson to be learned. I could have prevented the fine by having an L plate but I didn't.
I was stopped heading up toward the Rimataka's.

Anyway, sorry to make such a post. I will take it like a man, end of story.

I guess its hard to enjoy my bike on my learners.

Nah, it's fine. I find my plate rather dashing, attached sexily with tape.

Take a ride with me some time, you'll have better luck. I haven't even seen a cop on my bike yet (and I'm FARKEN lucky of that!!!! lol)

[Ixion]

This is a good point. Mr knee_scraper has been ticketed. What what good has that achieved? Even if Mr knee_scraper henceforth amends his wicked ways and puts a L plate on, will he be any better off? Any safer ? Will any other road user be better off for seeing Mr knee_scraper's L plate? Or any safer? What actual PURPOSE is this silly law supposed to serve? One can see the logic of speed limits even if one does not agree with them. But what logic is there in the L plate? It does not contirbute to the safety of the learner (rather the reverse). And if it be argued that it is intended as a warning to other road users ("look out, incompetant person here"), then there seems no reason to put them on motorbikes, which are hardly likely to be hazardous to others. And, remember, a motorcyclist must PASS a test to demonstrate competance BEFORE he may put up his L plate and set out on the road. He is not a complete novice as the learner car driver may be. Can anyone put forward a justification for the L plate? Does this law have any point at all?

[Jamezo]

When I'm driving after 10pm (with full license holder in the side seat) I take the L-plates off. And since it's dark they can't see what I look like. My driving's good enough so that they don't go "wtf is that prat doing? Must be drunk! Arrest time!"

Yeah, I'm a rebel. Never been pulled up yeah.

This one time, I found some money on the street, and didn't hand it it.

That's called stealing, yeah.

(private joke lol???)

[Smorg]

Never wore an L plate....pulled over plenty of times i think when you get done for speeding they forget about everything else......so remember kids always speed if you only want one fine at a time:msn-wink:

[Jamezo]

This is a good point. Mr knee_scraper has been ticketed. What what good has that achieved? Even if Mr knee_scraper henceforth amends his wicked ways and puts a L plate on, will he be any better off? Any safer ? Will any other road user be better off for seeing Mr knee_scraper's L plate? Or any safer? What actual PURPOSE is this silly law supposed to serve? One can see the logic of speed limits even if one does not agree with them. But what logic is there in the L plate? It does not contirbute to the safety of the learner (rather the reverse). And if it be argued that it is intended as a warning to other road users ("look out, incompetant person here"), then there seems no reason to put them on motorbikes, which are hardly likely to be hazardous to others. And, remember, a motorcyclist must PASS a test to demonstrate competance BEFORE he may put up his L plate and set out on the road. He is not a complete novice as the learner car driver may be. Can anyone put forward a justification for the L plate? Does this law have any point at all?

Of course. The purpose of the humble L-plate is to make it easier for police to enforce the learner license restrictions, theoretically making everybody safer!!! Don't you feel happy?

Perhaps in some twisted way not having a plate makes it safer, as it encourages people not to get caught, or else they get slapped with the uber-fine?

Of course that hinges on whether said motorcyclists definition of "not getting caught" involves not breaking the rules in the first place, or doing teh runner....

[Indoo]

another in their life. The law allows the police some discretian in discharging their duties. What's it going to take for this to happen?

Skyryder

Skyryder

Yeh because no cops use discretion. Hell even in this forum which is pretty onesided theres a number of threads about people being let off tickets, having speeds marked down or just being given warnings.

He was speeding on his learners and breaching his conditions because he thinks hes a capable biker after just a few months on the road. That cop didn't use his discretion to let him off, maybe hes been to a few too many bike fatals, maybe the guy had a bad attitude or maybe he just didn't believe that the circumstances warranted him letting this guy off. Who knows, certainly none of us do.

Judging all cops on this guys version of what happened is a bit stupid and ignores the fact that the vast majority of Police do use a hell of alot of discretion in day to day duties. Hell a significant proportion of the public that the Police deal with are 'cunt's, imagine if cops used the same logic some winners on here do.

[MSTRS]

its criminal some of these wet bus tickets that get handed down by the justice system. yet they feel justified for an excessive fine for no L plate? :gob:
Yeah, well someone has to pay the salaries of all involved in the 'justice' system:rofl:

[Leong]

Have not read all the posts but at the risk of repeating someone................

What we have here is a cop unwilling to exercise his/her discretianary powers, with the result that one biker and a learner at that is now contemplating doing a runner that not only puts his life at risk but others all so. On top of that said biker now has a low esteem of the police and all that they stand for. Now in a black and white world............this guy broke the law, got caught, end of story. But when you consider his attitude now who is the winner. Ceratinly not the police. Certainly not the biker. And certainly not the general public.

Agreed, and having read (quickly) thru the posts, I don't think it was said before!!

[Skyryder]

He was speeding on his learners and breaching his conditions because he thinks hes a capable biker after just a few months on the road. That cop didn't use his discretion to let him off, maybe hes been to a few too many bike fatals, maybe the guy had a bad attitude or maybe he just didn't believe that the circumstances warranted him letting this guy off. Who knows, certainly none of us do.

Then the points that you raise have no validity and as such why mention them.

The display of learner plates is not a safety issue and as such the $400 fine in no ways enhances the bikers riding ability. It's a punishment end of story. The speeding fine is another matter that tells him to slow down. That my save his life. It seems to me that discreation could have been used with the L plate issue and who knows it may have achieved the same purpose. It wasn't and now we have a biker contemplating doing a runner next time. I don't know about you but the cops that have handed me out tickets, and I have not had many in all my days of motoring, have never used their discretion. But then I have always accepted the rules. $400 fine that's theft.

Skyryder

[EZAS]

Learner Liscence on a 900.

L Plate = COPB8

No plate is the best

[marty]

bummer man, welcome to the club, I got wasted with the same fine just outside of h-town, just before xmas. It seems they hassle me more on the highways than in the city. No way to get out or it really, and to be honest I think its seriously dangerous to go 70 on the highway, get overtaken by trucks and allsorts. Id rather get a fine than get ran over by a truck..

so why did you get stopped in the first place?

[marty]

Yeah, well someone has to pay the salaries of all involved in the 'justice' system:rofl:

cops pay tax, so they pay their own wages?

[inlinefour]

Yeah, well someone has to pay the salaries of all involved in the 'justice' system:rofl:

About the size of it I do believe (sadly):angry2:

[Morepower]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

For once I agree, You would be better off running someone over or robbing them ,attacking someone etc etc... probably just get diversion , family conference or some other half hearted punishment, then failing to display an L plate $400 fine , any cop enforcing that is not a real policeman in my book , just an officious public servant who should have been religated to meter maid duty.

You have my sympathy

[loosebruce]

knee scraper, some advice, use the L plate, but fuck sticking to 70kph open road, i'm sure every cop on here will back me up here when i say that someone doing 70kph on the motorway or open road is a hazard to themselves and all other road users, unless you are doing something wrong like excessive speed riding like a idiot, keep it sensible and i dont think you'd get into any trouble, enjoy your bike at the right time and place, not everywhere, just the way it is.

And to the wait till you get a 600 and smoke them, it ain't always that easy, theres alot more too it than just having a fast bike.

[madboy]

There are three sides to every story - defendant, prosecution and in between will lie the truth. But here's some facts for ya:

Last time I got caught doing a runner (in a cage many years ago) I got slapped with a $350 fine, add some court costs and that's $480 all up from memory. Long story, but it involved speeding past a cop at 110 in a 50, nailing it, getting some drift styles going in the 4wd turbo rocket thru a roundabout, plus some high speed side street action with no lights on (this was late at night). I can see how that is worth $80 more than not having an L plate on.

Now to runners. I knwo you're probably just venting, but I'll give you the speel anyway - I say this cos I've met you, I liked you and I don't want to see you do something stupid without thinking it through. Runners I liken to gambling. Do you bet $100 on some white boy from Remuera to win a gold at the next olympic track 100m sprint? Or do you bet $100 on some fella from USA/UK of african descent to win? One has a decent chance of success, the other doesn't. The non-caucasian gentleman may pull a hamstring, but it is unlikely.

Now I believe it is fairly well known around here that I'm open to the concept of a runner. But I know my odds. I ride a 636 with more than enough horsepower to blow any lit up taxi into the weeds. I've done it before, I know how they work, and I usually know the area well. I do the deed, get the hell outta dodge and don't come back for a long time. In saying that, I've still had some close ones, even when the odds were supposedly in my favour. Of course, I could also have mechanical failure, could misjudge a corner, could have a car do something unexpected in front of me as I sail through at 260k... but it is unlikely.

Now think of your odds. You ride a 250. By the time you've hit 200k, the taxi will be sitting about 50m behind you with a really really clear view of your numberplate. Well - you're pretty much f***ed right then a there. Case closed. Alternatively you might run no numberplate, in which case you'll need to lose them, lose them well, and hope to God you can get home without some do-gooder member of public reporting a fast moving bike heading down XX street, or pulling up the drive of number XX, XXX street. Round town, I'd be evenly split between putting my $100 on a 250 or the cop. But then I'm a conservative gambler. On the open road with a 250, I'd be buying shares in the local meat processing plant, cos I reckon it'd be bacon all the way to the bank.

[Shadows]

Thing is, that you can't exceed 70km on a learner's license.
I think there is a general consensus within this site that you can't avoid the open road in this country if you want to go anywhere, and that being restricted to 70km on a wee motorcycle on the open road where everybody else is doing 100km + is MINDNUMBINGLY FUCKING STUPID unless you have a death wish and the person(s) that dreamed up and passed such a fcuking absurd piece of legislation should have their nipples removed with a rasp while they have angry rabid porcupines let loose up their backsides and their noses cut off with the edge of a traffic ticket.
So, why the hell would anybody with a little bit of intelligence who is most likely going to exceed a life threatening speed limit for their own safety bring attention to the fact that they are not abiding by the ridiculous conditions of their licence by attaching a loser plate to their bike????
I certainly never did.

[Da Bird]

Exactly.

Virtually every other learner I know never has one on their bike either. I mean, why advertise breaking licence conditions both by travelling at 100km/h and being out after 10pm, with your L plate on?

Yes, $400.00 is rather excessive for this offence but the police didn't make the law... I would rather see $400 fines for red light running.

The thing I find interesting is how many people on this thread alone admit to not having their L plate attached. Have you heard of attracting attention to yourselves?? Do you want the police to start random stopping of bikes to check if there should be an L plate attached. Think about it.

BC

[Shadows]

Yes, $400.00 is rather excessive for this offence but the police didn't make the law... I would rather see $400 fines for red light running.

The thing I find interesting is how many people on this thread alone admit to not having their L plate attached. Have you heard of attracting attention to yourselves?? Do you want the police to start random stopping of bikes to check if there should be an L plate attached. Think about it.

BC

But did you not just say you think $400 is excessive? Would it not be reasonable to think that your views are part of a common thread amongst the Police, maybe even up to senior level? Then if so why the hell would you want to see every bike pulled over so that you can enforce a law that you have just basically branded as not just? Did you not join the Police to help people, rather than mindlessly enforce legislation you feel is inequitable? Why not target red light runners??? At least a worthwhile message would be getting across.
One word.... DISCRETION

[Da Bird]

But did you not just say you think $400 is excessive? Would it not be reasonable to think that your views are part of a common thread amongst the Police, maybe even up to senior level? Then if so why the hell would you want to see every bike pulled over so that you can enforce a law that you have just basically branded as not just? Did you not join the Police to help people, rather than mindlessly enforce legislation you feel is inequitable? Why not target red light runners??? At least a worthwhile message would be getting across.
One word.... DISCRETION

I do think it is excessive and I've very rarely given a ticket out for no L plates (and none yet to any motorcyclists that I can think of, maybe a mini chopper or two) but if people are so intent on making it known that L plates aren't put on as a matter of course, then that's just asking for something to be done about it.

Yes, there are a lot of worse things than not having an L plate and I spend a considerable amount of time targetting red light runners (thanks for the tip) but if I get bored and a bike goes past, I might just use my discretion and decide to stop it.

[Shadows]

I do think it is excessive and I've very rarely given a ticket out for no L plates (and none yet to any motorcyclists that I can think of, maybe a mini chopper or two) but if people are so intent on making it known that L plates aren't put on as a matter of course, then that's just asking for something to be done about it.

Yes, there are a lot of worse things than not having an L plate and I spend a considerable amount of time targetting red light runners (thanks for the tip) but if I get bored and a bike goes past, I might just use my discretion and decide to stop it.

LOL good use of discretion.

But maybe it should be well known, maybe something would then be done about it too, but by the legislators and not by the administrators. Ditch the 70km limit and then maybe more people would use the plates for whatever pathetic reason it was that they thought we should use them in the first place.

[iwilde]

The only time I had an L plate on my bike was the day I did the learners to restricted cbta coarse, and I had every idiot in Ak tail gating and cutting in on me. I sorted the problem by going from a learners to a full licience in under 3 months thanks to the now finished cbta coarse. But as it's been said, don't attract attention to yourself and get a restricted licience as soon as you are able to.

[kro]

I am laughing right now, not because of the L plate thing, but because of some of the comments from some of the people in this thread.

Let me paint you a wee picture......................
When long term KB'er Mr XXX gets done for 120 on the motorway, and or was speeding on the Rimutaka's, the comments from some of you are " bugger mate, sorry to hear", but when a new KBer has no L plate, he gets quotes from the book of law, and comments like "what did you expect, if you were breaking the law"?.

:slap: :slap:

[spudchucka]

If I sticka L plate on my 600 can I expect the same treatment?:rofl:
Being a learner licencee on a 600, displaying an L plate. Wouldn't that kinda draw attention to yourself, the general idea is to NOT make yourself noticeable to the cops. The clowns that collect tickets constantly just never figure that out.

[MSTRS]

cops pay tax, so they pay their own wages?
Never heard of diminishing returns??

[In The Breeze]

Being a learner licencee on a 600, displaying an L plate. Wouldn't that kinda draw attention to yourself, the general idea is to NOT make yourself noticeable to the cops. The clowns that collect tickets constantly just never figure that out. Well yep yet some peeps are mighty challenged eh.
I do believe that the fine far out weighed the so-called crime. I mean surely $100 would be plenty

[Devil]

Well, I can see that the slower people here just haven't quite figured out that moaning that the law sucks, to the cops, doesn't do any good.

Go do something about it.

/me waits for the "but it doesn't do any good, no-one listens etc..."

[marty]

i see that you were pulled for 13 over the limit - was that on the open rd? if so, as 113k is 43k over the learner limit you were lucky not to be roadside suspended......

[marty]

i'd put money on this guy being on a learners licence>>>>

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10368807

[scumdog]

I am laughing right now, not because of the L plate thing, but because of some of the comments from some of the people in this thread.

Let me paint you a wee picture......................
When long term KB'er Mr XXX gets done for 120 on the motorway, and or was speeding on the Rimutaka's, the comments from some of you are " bugger mate, sorry to hear", but when a new KBer has no L plate, he gets quotes from the book of law, and comments like "what did you expect, if you were breaking the law"?.

:slap: :slap:

Nup. I'm pretty consistant, "bugger mate, sorry to hear - but you know you were breaking the law":yeah:

[Ixion]

One factor that has not been mentioned is the length of time that a beginner is required to wait before sitting the restricted test - and thus shedding the L plate.

This is , IMHO, excessive for motorcycles. It may be appropriate for cars , where the legislators envisaged young folk receiving an hour or so of tuition a few times a week. But once learner motorcyclists have their L licence and a bike they are almost invariably out and riding , usually considerable distances a week. Using a L plate may be suitable for the first month, the period of wobbling, stalling and uncertainty. But after that they should be able to try for restricted.

After all, the upgrade is subject to a test. What would be the harm of allowing people to sit the test earlier - perhaps with a clause that requires a months delay after a failed attempt before a retry. If they are not "up to spec" the tester should find that out - it is the whole point of the test. Either have no test, an automatic upgrade after a time, as in England, or allow the applicant to sit the test as soon as they feel confident.

[MSTRS]

And then there are those that have been riding bikes for ages/years without having a licence. They may be 'illegal' road riders (who have been pinged) or have been bucketers etc. Ability and confidence are not an issue, and perhaps neither is their roadcraft.

[Patrick]

blah blah...

could have a car do something unexpected in front of me as I sail through at 260k... but it is unlikely.

more blah blah...

.

Nah, it will NEVER happen ay... "Unlikely" to even... go figure... Long live Darwin (nature getting rid of the stupid ones...)

[Patrick]

i see that you were pulled for 13 over the limit - was that on the open rd? if so, as 113k is 43k over the learner limit you were lucky not to be roadside suspended......

The limit is still 100, ticket for 13k over the 100. Learner breach of exceeding the 70 is a $400 matter. L plate fines do suck tho, but these are "usually" reserved for special customers...but this one for this thread doesn't appear to fit that category? Yes, 70k on open roads is highly dangerous...

Keep it simple...don't attract attention to yourself by speeding, go with the 100kmph flow.

[scumdog]

Nah, it will NEVER happen ay... "Unlikely" to even... go figure... Long live Darwin (nature getting rid of the stupid ones...)

I wasn't going to bite at that roll Patrick - it was too obvious!!!

Well I HOPE it was a troll!!:shutup:

[madboy]

Nah, it will NEVER happen ay... "Unlikely" to even... go figure... Long live Darwin (nature getting rid of the stupid ones...)I wasn't suggesting 260k splits will increase your life expectancy, but I reckon your odds of surviving a 260k split are better than your odds of a 250 with a plate (your own) attached on the open road.

Think - in a 260k split what will kill you is the car or bike deviating for whatever reason. But assuming it's not windy and a straight piece of road, the odds are you'll make it. The 1 in 50 you don't WILL kill you, no denying that.

But on a 250 - what are the odds out of 50 runners how many times you'll get away from you fellas? Not too many I'd be betting.

[scumdog]

I wasn't suggesting 260k splits will increase your life expectancy, but I reckon your odds of surviving a 260k split are better than your odds of a 250 with a plate (your own) attached on the open road.

Think - in a 260k split what will kill you is the car or bike deviating for whatever reason. But assuming it's not windy and a straight piece of road, the odds are you'll make it. The 1 in 50 you don't WILL kill you, no denying that.

But on a 250 - what are the odds out of 50 runners how many times you'll get away from you fellas? Not too many I'd be betting.


So how many more years of 260k splits do you plan on doing??:wacko:

[Ixion]

49. One a year.

[axe]

They do sometimes i got caught for no L plate etc etc $1200 but only got tickected for $400

[madboy]

So how many more years of 260k splits do you plan on doing??:wacko:To be honest, I've done a 250k split when I was aiming for max speed on the bike on the way to work one day and the only two cars on the entire [private] road just happened to be sitting side by side.

And there was another time that involved a great deal of mway covered in a very short period of time where the needle hovered consistently around the 240-270 range regardless of traffic, but I wasn't counting cars at the time. More interested in making sure I beat certain cars to the offramp.

It's more that I can do it, not that I do do it.

[snuffles]

Your right Devil. It's the law. If i'm frustrated then I obviously have a lesson to be learned. I could have prevented the fine by having an L plate but I didn't.
I was stopped heading up toward the Rimataka's.

Anyway, sorry to make such a post. I will take it like a man, end of story.

I guess its hard to enjoy my bike on my learners.


Mate, are you riding in full gear or shorts and a Tshirt...... at least looking the part may well help.

[Patrick]

Think - in a 260k split what will kill you is the car or bike deviating for whatever reason.....

Nah, I was thinking it was more like the car pulling out of the driveway "I didn't see the bike...." type call:doh:


So how many more years of 260k splits do you plan on doing??:wacko:

I thought you "weren't biting, it was so obvious?" Couldn't help yaself could ya...:nya:

[scumdog]

I thought you "weren't biting, it was so obvious?" Couldn't help yaself could ya...:nya:

No no, HE did the biting:bleh: :lol:

[race me!!!!]

wow sounds u like u were speeding or somthing i got caught with no l plate and got a 50 buck fine lol he must have had a bad day
:wari:

[duckaddict]

wow sounds u like u were speeding or somthing i got caught with no l plate and got a 50 buck fine lol he must have had a bad day
:wari:

hmm... so can someone else clarify is it 400.00 or 50.00 for not displaying L plate? :shifty:

[scumdog]

hmm... so can someone else clarify is it 400.00 or 50.00 for not displaying L plate? :shifty:

$400
$200 for no number plate

I don't know of any offence today that has a $50 fine.

[loosebruce]

$200 for no number plate


For real, i thought it'd be way more serious than that, surely not only $200?

No points for guessing what i'm doing when i get home :whistle:

[spudchucka]

All of the vehicle licence related offences are $200 tickets.

[scumdog]

For real, i thought it'd be way more serious than that, surely not only $200?

No points for guessing what i'm doing when i get home :whistle:

Hope you don't park it without the plate where the meter-maids can see it....

[axe]

No it was $ 1200 included in that were haveing a pillion and over 70 K onlly done 4 no L Plate $ 400

[festus]

He pulled me over for exceeding the limit by 13kmh. That was $80, then he gave me $400 for no L plate.

What a tosser!......'Traffic cops' aka 'snakes' are dicks!.....

[festus]

cops pay tax, so they pay their own wages?

Cops are 'public servants'........simple

[skidMark]

lol bruce it jumped off all by itself aye ? lol:yes: