Undertaking Cagers

[Grahameeboy]

I know this is a old issue, however, what is going on in cagers heads?

7.20 this am on Lake Road, just gone through Bayswater lights following traffic....cage in front say 2 cars lengths in front......see this geezer in a black 4x4, in my mirror (yes mirrors do work on SV's) coming at me preetty fast for conditions and wants to undertake.....where was he going.......I mean I was only 2 car lengths behind the car in front......it just don't make sense.....what was he thinking.....or not as was the case.

Sorry guys no broken mirror jobs, no verbal, just stuck me 'and out, showed one finger to show 1 lane and did the old screwy finger on helmet job......he soon cottoned on, got to next lights, looked at him and to be fair he did acknowledge....what I do not really know.....

Just a wee rant....'appens a lot on Lake Road.....have a great day one and all and be safe.....you see I have finally realised that coming from Devonport 'cardy' suburb, I really do need to wear a pink cardy to be seen......!!!...those yellow vests just are not in now....:spudwave:

[SimJen]

yep, cagers suk thats for sure.
I get it all the time in Hams, had an older woman do it to me the other day.
I shouted to her to fuck off and she just kept on doing it, despite me being right next to her open window at the time. She kept trying to knock me off, swerving towards me as if I was in the wrong.
I just gave it a squirt and pushed in front of her.
When will they learn.......if I ever get knocked off I'll be jumping on the cunts bonnet with my size12 motorcycle boots :)

[Grahameeboy]

yep, cagers suk thats for sure.
I get it all the time in Hams, had an older woman do it to me the other day.
I shouted to her to fuck off and she just kept on doing it, despite me being right next to her open window at the time.
I just gave it a squirt and pushed in front of her.
When will they learn.......if I ever get knocked off I'll be jumping on the cunts bonnet with my size12 motorcycle boots :)

Geeze mate........you mean Aucklandattitude has creaped to Hamilton......I can never understand why this happens.....it is unnerving sometimes cause you end up worrying about what is going on behind as well as ahead.
.....I mean of all the things cagers do, this type of dumdarse carry on should be obvious......

Ride safe..........get some size 14's

[In The Breeze]

Believe me its happening everywhere people! :argh:

[FlyingDutchMan]

I've been undertaken 4 times. Scares the fucking shit out of me every time. The last time I was indicating to do the left turn - luckily I saw them at the last moment in my mirror. Just hauled on the anchors without turning. Left me shaking for 1/2 a day that.

[nadroj]

Have found in the past that bar ends make quite a crease on their bodywork as they take off from beside you & you just sit there till they are clear. As you are not moving it makes it hard for them to say you hit them.

[SimJen]

basically we should be looking in our mirrors as much as anywhere else.
Can't trust a cager no matter what they're doing.

[Jackrat]

Maybe it's just a form of pay back.
Maybe some car drivers are just becoming as obnoxious as a shit load of bike riders.Every lane splitting rider seems to think undertaking is fine when it's them doing it.Put the boot on the other foot an listen to the hypocrites whinge.
Sounds funny as fuck to me.

[bugjuice]

just stick in the middle of the lane unless you're gonna split. Then they can't do FA

[Grahameeboy]

Maybe it's just a form of pay back.
Maybe some car drivers are just becoming as obnoxious as a shit load of bike riders.Every lane splitting rider seems to think undertaking is fine when it's them doing it.Put the boot on the other foot an listen to the hypocrites whinge.
Sounds funny as fuck to me.

Aha....I do not lane split so I am off the hook......but anyway, undertaking a biker, with traffic in front (so no where to go) on a single carriageway is a lot different to lane splitting cause, whilst I do not do it, at least there is thinking and a purpose to lane splitting in heavy traffic whereas what happened to me this am is just a
f!@#ing different ball game.......Sounds funny to me...not....he he

[Grahameeboy]

just stick in the middle of the lane unless you're gonna split. Then they can't do FA

I was actually not far from the middle this am.......at end of day, I saw it and if needed have the power to get away but it still stinks.......

[ManDownUnder]

I was actually not far from the middle this am.......at end of day, I saw it and if needed have the power to get away but it still stinks.......

I had the same heading towards Kumeu at Westgate a while back. I was "owning the road" as they say and someone tried to undertake me.

There was no room to do it on the road - this guy had to use the shoulder in order to do it - and just stayed there.

... wish I was a cop... that'd be funny.

[Grahameeboy]

I had the same heading towards Kumeu at Westgate a while back. I was "owning the road" as they say and someone tried to undertake me.

There was no room to do it on the road - this guy had to use the shoulder in order to do it - and just stayed there.

... wish I was a cop... that'd be funny.

You could always give Dover a call and borrow one of his costumes for the day:nya:

[ManDownUnder]

You could always give Dover a call and borrow one of his costumes for the day:nya:

Good point... but does he own the cuffs, or just use 'em?

... he can keep his trungeon to himself though

[Grahameeboy]

Good point... but does he own the cuffs, or just use 'em?

... he can keep his trungeon to himself though

Tuncheon silly billy........I suspect he has a few spares.......Cowpoos may have some of Dover's too...

[scumdog]

Only been 'undertaken' once - by another biker while on a tightish left hand bend!:Oi:

[janno]

Here in Brisbane you have to ride like you are completely invisible, and probably spend most of your time looking in your mirrors and to the sides in heavy traffic. A few riders have been killed over here lately sitting stationary waiting to turn right into a street with traffic continuing past them. My husband commutes 60km each day and says some of the worst dickheads are motorcyclists, including one who regularly lane split and weaved (wove?!) when the traffic was moving 80 - 90km. The same guy who other half saw getting scraped off the road and shovelled into an ambulance one morning. And thanks to that guy no doubt plenty of car drivers think all motorcyclists should be shot. Just a point of note - people who slag off "cage drivers" as the enemy, presume you guys have cars as well? My own view is that there are dickheads and paragons of virtue on both sides, and I just keep an eye out for everyone being a moron, not just the four wheeled variety. Though I also think it should be compulsory to do your motorbike licence (even if you do it on a scoot) when you do your car licence, so you realise how vulnerable two wheels are in traffic. Some of you lot remind me a bit of Animal Farm (George Orwell, not the porno) - to twist things a bit, Two wheels good, four wheels bad. Ah well, rant over for the morning.

[oldrider]

I agree there are some really bad cagers out there but most of the time I find cagers pull over and let you through.

The number of times cagers tell you there are cops ahead is amazing too.
The trouble is the bad ones are more likely to be fatal for us when they do their stupid stuff! :spudwhat: Just my thoughts. :bye: John.

[Grahameeboy]

I agree there are some really bad cagers out there but most of the time I find cagers pull over and let you through.

The number of times cagers tell you there are cops ahead is amazing too.
The trouble is the bad ones are more likely to be fatal for us when they do their stupid stuff! :spudwhat: Just my thoughts. :bye: John.

I think cagers attitude improves out of City........

[Virago]

.........people who slag off "cage drivers" as the enemy, presume you guys have cars as well?..........
Good rant - well said.

Trouble is, many bikers here don't drive cars, and far too many of them are unbelievably one-eyed when it comes to road courtesy. The attitude seems to be "I'll agressively invade your road space, but don't you dare do it to me".

I've seen bikers undertake on numerous occasions, often undertaking other bikes. Had it happen to me twice in recent months. However, I've never been undertaken by a car when on the bike. (Perhaps my wobbling all over the place precludes it?)

The trouble with aggressive and arrogant riding is that it causes cage drivers to resent all bikers.

Before Christmas, I had a major fright when driving back to Dunedin from Christchurch in my work cage. Rounding a fast sweeping right-hander, I was confronted by a group of 4 or 5 bikes, who were overtaking cars by riding down the centre line, regardless of on-coming traffic. As they came into view, they were well across the centre line, and I was clearly going to hit the lead rider. A quick flick of the steering wheel took me hard to the left, and the bikes swept by without harm.

It took me almost an hour before I stopped shaking, and I only hope the lead rider got as big a fright as me. The whole fucking bunch of them owe their lives to my quick reactions. If I had hit them, no doubt I'd be just another "Bastard Cager"?

A contensious issue, but I have seen several episodes of this "centre-line lane splitting", and it has always been HD riders doing it. Hmmmm....

[thealmightytaco]

Madhouse, folks need to be rememberin' their road codes

[Maha]

A guy that rides with us sometimes has a bad habbit of undertaking us ! last time he did there were 3 of us heading to kopu, on the straight bits before the bridge myself and a ZX9 got rid of 3 cars, i pulled in and gave steve room, didnt see Hyosung man carving his way up the inside till he was beside me, asked him to please not do that again, well, words to that effect.........:brick:

[ZeroIndex]

yep, cagers suk thats for sure.
I get it all the time in Hams, had an older woman do it to me the other day.
I shouted to her to fuck off and she just kept on doing it, despite me being right next to her open window at the time. She kept trying to knock me off, swerving towards me as if I was in the wrong.
I just gave it a squirt and pushed in front of her.
When will they learn.......if I ever get knocked off I'll be jumping on the cunts bonnet with my size12 motorcycle boots :)

I know that I've only been riding a few days and stuff, and even with my 'L' plate on, I haven't had anyone try anything stupid yet... is the stupidness of cagers apparent in the first few days, or does it start after a week or two?

[Pixie]

Trouble is, many bikers here don't drive cars, and far too many of them are unbelievably one-eyed when it comes to road courtesy. .
Confucius say.... He who is one-eyed may be a prick.

[terbang]

Good rant - well said.

Trouble is, many bikers here don't drive cars, and far too many of them are unbelievably one-eyed when it comes to road courtesy. The attitude seems to be "I'll agressively invade your road space, but don't you dare do it to me".

I've seen bikers undertake on numerous occasions, often undertaking other bikes. Had it happen to me twice in recent months. However, I've never been undertaken by a car when on the bike. (Perhaps my wobbling all over the place precludes it?)

The trouble with aggressive and arrogant riding is that it causes cage drivers to resent all bikers.



On a recent large ride of KBers' there was a few "Very Public" show-off acts done on a Gilera Scooter by some of the younger (between the ears) members. Saw a few wheelies, stoppies, skids and also an undertake (my 15 YO daughter displays better handling skills down our back paddock on a shitty old trailie IMHO So you need to sharpen up). Doesn't really draw the right kind of attention from joe bloggs public car driver though and helps foster an attitude out there that we are nothing but a bunch of hoons to be treated with appropriate contempt and disregard. People pick up on the bad acts way before they recognise the good, thats just human nature and our public profile isn't all that good. So next time you are treated with utter contempt and disregard on the road, nearly costing you life and limb, be aware that it MAYBE the result of an attitude hatched from previous actions by those of your own kind..
Keeping all that stuff for the quieter places and out of the bright lights of public scrutiny will help our image..

[John Banks]

When a biker undertakes a cager dangerously, they are putting themselves in a situation where they could be killed or badly injured. When a cager undertakes a bike dangerouly, they are putting someone else in a situation where they could be killed or badly injured.
You have to be an idiot to put yourself in a situation like that, but you have to be a murderous bastard to put someone else in a situation like that. (especially if it's another biker!)

[XP@]

It's not too bad as long as there is room...

On the other hand when it's dark and wet and you are just about to crank over for a left hand bend only to find an undertaker in your space...

[terbang]

I am personally trying to avoid the services of an undertaker at the moment as I view that undertaking is only good business for the Undertakers..!

[Headbanger]

Heh....I was waiting at a round-about here in Wanganui, looking to my right waiting for an opening, as soon as one presented itself I moved into the round-about, Only to find the car that had ben qued behind behind me had driven up had entered at the same time, driven along side me, and was in the process of driving across my path, All this on a single lane round-about, damn car was about 2 inches away from me, and Im doin my best to not be hit or hit the round-about (which is raised a good foot in the air, hitting it would have caused the front wheel to deflect back into the car i was trying to avoid)

I ended up smacking the drivers window and unloading a torrent of abuse.

[ZeroIndex]

I ended up smacking the drivers window and unloading a torrent of abuse.
sweet.. I never manage to do anything to the cage in question.. I just raise my hand, as to say WTF..

When you get really fast at roundabouts, you can often undertake/overtake cages just as the roundabout starts.. - but only if they have indicated where they are going.. you don't want to be accelerating, and then they go where you don't expect..

[Kickaha]

Maybe it's just a form of pay back.
Maybe some car drivers are just becoming as obnoxious as a shit load of bike riders.Every lane splitting rider seems to think undertaking is fine when it's them doing it.Put the boot on the other foot an listen to the hypocrites whinge.
Sounds funny as fuck to me.



Trouble is, many bikers here don't drive cars, and far too many of them are unbelievably one-eyed when it comes to road courtesy. The attitude seems to be "I'll agressively invade your road space, but don't you dare do it to me".


You two are missing the point, when a motorcyclist does it because of their always far superior road skills they are safe as houses whereas everyone on these forums knows that car drivers can't drive for crap so everyones life is in danger when they perform the same action :bleh:

[brianemone]

I think undertaking cage's would fall into two catagories.

First the ones that think that because they see bikes splitting, it means its ok to do the same back.

Second the idiots that are trying to prove something. (my car is soo fast i can undertake this bike up ahead at 57kmp/h

[sunhuntin]

Heh....I was waiting at a round-about here in Wanganui, looking to my right waiting for an opening, as soon as one presented itself I moved into the round-about, Only to find the car that had ben qued behind behind me had driven up had entered at the same time, driven along side me, and was in the process of driving across my path, All this on a single lane round-about, damn car was about 2 inches away from me, and Im doin my best to not be hit or hit the round-about (which is raised a good foot in the air, hitting it would have caused the front wheel to deflect back into the car i was trying to avoid)

I ended up smacking the drivers window and unloading a torrent of abuse.

which roundabout?

i was undertaken last night on dublin street....fucker got right up my exhaust so i flashed my brake light a few times and moved to the center line...so that if he did decide to pass he would not be in my lane. he kept getting closer so i slowed down to about 45-50k [was doing 55k cos he pushed my speed up.] 7pm last night it was pouring with rain, and i didnt have my goggles, so couldnt see shit. the fucker undertook me....drove alongside for a about a block then pulled over and stopped. as i went by i flicked the bird, but he didnt see. wish id taken out his mirror or something.

[Headbanger]

Dublin St round-about, I was approching it from the town/river side, and heading round and then over the bridge.

[sunhuntin]

towards eastside? yeh, i hate that one too....can never get my lean right when heading from east towards aramoho.

[scumdog]

You two are missing the point, when a motorcyclist does it because of their always far superior road skills they are safe as houses whereas everyone on these forums knows that car drivers can't drive for crap so everyones life is in danger when they perform the same action :bleh:

'Superior road skill'?? Mwahahahah, a vast amount of motorbike riders I've seen have all the self-preservation instincts of a lemming!!!! mWAHAHAHAHA!!!:wait:

Same with most drivers too!!:blah:

[ZeroIndex]

'Superior road skill'?? Mwahahahah, a vast amount of motorbike riders I've seen have all the self-preservation instincts of a lemming!!!! mWAHAHAHAHA!!!:wait:

Same with most drivers too!!:blah:
the difference is that if a bike rider bins it, they generally learn from the experience, or get humiliated enough on KB, that they'll get 'better'

[Kjell]

you mean Aucklandattitude has creaped to Hamilton
JAFAS - Just another f Auckland Suburb - Hamilton :yes:

I have taken to 'warming the tires' weaving if I see a possible nominee for undertaking. Made a few back off, and one just stop because he would have gone into a parked car.

[Morepower]

sweet.. I never manage to do anything to the cage in question.. I just raise my hand, as to say WTF..

When you get really fast at roundabouts, you can often undertake/overtake cages just as the roundabout starts.. - but only if they have indicated where they are going.. you don't want to be accelerating, and then they go where you don't expect..

You have people that actualy go the way they indicate on a roundabout up there ! here in the Bay its still a guess :bye:

Dave

[vs04]

towards eastside? yeh, i hate that one too....can never get my lean right when heading from east towards aramoho.
Went over the rail bridge heading home one day when i was undertaken by a guy in a van, right opposite the aramoho pub,was just about to give him some verbal when i noticed the mongrel mob patch,best to let that one go i thought.

[sunhuntin]

likely a wise choice...but the hells angels clubhouse is right around the corner from there. if he had decided to give you shit you coulda parked up outside. likely would have run off crying, lmfao.

[vs04]

likely a wise choice...but the hells angels clubhouse is right around the corner from there. if he had decided to give you shit you coulda parked up outside. likely would have run off crying, lmfao.
That could be like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.I,m not sure the hells angles would be overly keen on a jap cruiser parked outside their clubhouse either.:laugh:

[sunhuntin]

in all honesty....ive never seen any action at that place. most exciting thing ive ever seen was a coupla cars on the grass verge. wasnt present the days they got raided though.