Tailgating

[mattt]

Very rarely do I start a thread here, but this is something that really fucks me off.

Yesterday minding my own business, I approached a red light on cnr Ladies Mile and Abbotts Way heading towards Remuera Rd. Rush hour and two full lanes of parked cars. Naturally I split up the middle, waited for the green, and took off. No harm, no foul? Well the cunt in the white ute took exception and rode my ass till we come to a stop in the left turning lane on Ladies Mile heading into Remuera Rd.

I turned around and yelled muffled thru my shit helmet more or less asking what his problem was. He said something back which I couldn't understand, so curosity kills the cat - I kicked the stand down and approached his window to hear his words of wisdom - Now this is where it gets interesting....

I asked him to justify himself in playing with my life - he said I broke the law, you have to wait your turn at the lights. Ok - but why try take me down?

Now the funny part. I leaned in his window - shut off his engine - took the keys in my left hand and launched them over a house or two never to be seen again.

Now right or wrong - I feel better and I'm pretty sure he won't be tailgating any bikes for a while. Dunno how he got home, but I don't really care.

Rant over :angry2:

[Jantar]

As long as you passed on the right, and stayed in your lane, what law did you break?

[boomer]

I like it.... something in teh water; Same happened to me on wednesday but i decided to brake hard and teh fucker hit me; Outside the supermarket (mission bay)

I couldnt move cos his bumper had my wheel trapped at an angle so i turned around and yelled for him to reverse. He didnt so i kicked his bonnet and moved the bike forward; I plonked the side stand down told teh fukwit he was a tard and he should come to the side of teh road.. he just took off and left.

Good on you for launching his keys

[mattt]

I like it.... something in teh water; Same happened to me on wednesday but i decided to brake hard and teh fucker hit me; Outside the supermarket (mission bay)

I couldnt move cos his bumper had my wheel trapped at an angle so i turned around and yelled for him to reverse. He didnt so i kicked his bonnet and moved the bike forward; I plonked the side stand down told teh fukwit he was a tard and he should come to the side of teh road.. he just took off and left.

Good on you for launching his keys

Yeh, I would have loved to brake hard, but the thought of a tonne of cage taking on 170kg's of gixxer isn't a good one. I went to his window so he had the chance to sort it out the old fashioned way. Instead he gotta game of hide go seek with his keys. :devil2:

[kiwifruit]

good on ya for throwing the keys!
thats fantastic

[Firefight]

good on you Matt,:first: remind me to shout you a drink..:drinknsin ..once I get off weekends.



F/F

[ZeroIndex]

i wish that was on video... man.... that's gotta be funny for everyone watching, seeing a cager lose his keys :p

[myvice]

Good one! Hope he got back to find his ute towed!

[imdying]

Now right or wrong - I feel better and I'm pretty sure he won't be tailgating any bikes for a while. Dunno how he got home, but I don't really care.Quite right he won't, he'll just run them over instead. Nice work.

[Korea]

Yep, I'm with Imdying~ The driver is now going to harbour a grudge against all motorcyclists and probably escalate to doing other bad shite: Keying parked bikes, kicking 'em off their stands, speeding up when someone tries to overtake, and other dangerous stuff...

But as long as you feel better, that's all that matters :laugh:

Next time tell them that it is, in fact, not illegal to filter and that they are welcome to check their road code if they don't believe you... Then throw a molotov cocktail in the window and finish their evil ways for good!

[Karma]

I like it.... something in teh water; Same happened to me on wednesday but i decided to brake hard and teh fucker hit me; Outside the supermarket (mission bay)

I couldnt move cos his bumper had my wheel trapped at an angle so i turned around and yelled for him to reverse. He didnt so i kicked his bonnet and moved the bike forward; I plonked the side stand down told teh fukwit he was a tard and he should come to the side of teh road.. he just took off and left.

Good on you for launching his keys

Much damage to the bike?

[far queue]

I want to know what he did after you launched his keys. Surely he didn't just sit there doing nothing while you strolled back to your bike and rode off. I mean, he must have been right pissed with you by then. I would've thought he'd want to deck you for that. Unless you did a quick runner before he could get out of the car.

[Smorg]

:2thumbsup nice work mate

[deathstar]

yeah he shouldn't have tailed you but all auckland drivers are fuckwits and i've seen bikes do shitty things that piss cagers off but you throw his keys over a fence when he finds those keys he's going down the post office or he will see your bike 1 day and fucking run into you just the way some dickheads are so i say speed off and leave the shitter to get hit by a truck for being a twat

[El Dopa]

That put a smile on my face.

The only thing that would have made this story better was if the police turned up and beat the soles of his feet with rubber truncheons until he couldn't walk for a week.

I don't like tailgaters.

[boomer]

Much damage to the bike?

none luckily; he just caught the tyre. hes was near on 7ft and a bloater and life had obviously dealt him a bad deck cos he was a ginga to boot.

I was abusing the fuck outta him and carried on doing so even when he got outta the car and i saw him get bigger.. and bigger and bigger and bigger.. my head was tellin me to shut up but my mouth kept going :mad:

[Karma]

none luckily; he just caught the tyre. hes was near on 7ft and a bloater and life had obviously dealt him a bad deck cos he was a ginga to boot.

Sorry dude... didn't know that was you :killingme

[runed]

There's just too many fuckwits in the Cages in Remuera area.

I am so sick of tailgating cage drivers, they have NO IDEA there's no way they can stop in time if I slam on the brakes when there's a cat or dog run across the road.

WELL DONE mate, :clap:

A short story happened overseas,
A bike friend is in Big dump truck business who rides his scooter between office and truck yard accross the road, a cage driver drove a tailgating Skyline R33 took him out and did a runner just when he was turning and ride his scooter into his driveway in the office, he let the bike lying there, sprint into office, grab the key of the loaded 30 ton dump truck and follow the R33, who has no idea the truck driver was the bike rider he ran over minutes ago.
R33 driver arrived home, reversed his car into the driveway, walked into his house, seconds later the fully loaded dump truck reverse into the R33 (should I say ON TO) and the truck just drove off ..........

[*sic]

man some people get some good ones back.

truck = win

[Adamski]

Yeah I'd like to know how it is that the cage driver sat there with his window open and did nuttin while you strolled up and dissed him.

That being said I can understand your anger, I had a near miss from a taxi one time who just sailed right out of the top of Queen St while I was heading up K Rd towards Grafton, and when I pulled alongside him I let his fender have it 3 or 4 times with my steel tips by way of a hello :wavey:

He didn't take it too kindly however and tried to ram me, some people :weird:

[Skyryder]

Had a fuckwit years ago piss me off bout something, ( too long ago to remember) anyway I got out of my volkswagon, Ripped his sunglasses off twisted them and said that be ya neck next time and stormed off back into my car. Felt good. Wife was not impressed.

But if you realy want to take a chance open the drivers door pull them half out and slam the door aginst their ribs. Did that once to a guy driving an old 36 or 37 v8. They have heavy doors. Found out later I broke two of his ribs.

Skyryder

[jonbuoy]

Yeah why do some drivers get so bitter and twisted about the fact that we can filter and be the first off at the lights?? Even if I didn't ride a bike I don't think I would care about that.

Maybe a biker ran off with his missus or something, sounds like he already had a grudge against em in the first place. Tailgating anyones a dangerous and stupid thing to do (jabbing your brakes on cause your being tailgated is equally dangerous) - I caused an accident on the motorway doing that in my more wreckless youth - no one hurt but I felt like a twat all the same.

[terbang]

Yup I hate those tailgaters as well and I had a good laugh at your post..
I hope his House/Work/Garage keys were on the same bunch..
I'd keep an eye on yer back for a while in that area as when it all sinks in this guy is gonna be after blood..
Tail-gating seems to be of pandemic proportion in AKL with lots of evidence of it in the continual nose to tail fiasco you see on the motorways daily. Do the police ever nail people over it (cos they must see it a lot) or is it too difficult to prove..? I am sure the Insurance companies are sick of repairing front and rear ends in the AKL area..

[mattt]

Thanks for all your positive feedback on this guys - I agree it is an ongoing problem, but something we all have to be aware of in day to day riding.

:scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

[Lou Girardin]

I'm with dynamitus50, behaviour modification through fear.
The clown now knows he isn't safe in his cage.

[Grahameeboy]

Or maybe they will just think fuck i aint going to mess with a biker again cause they dont like having their margin of error deliberatley messed with and now i have to call someone to get my spare keys from home...

Always 2 ways to look at things I guess but I am with ImDying too......when you do this sort of thing you gotta thing of "what's the worse that can happen"....we moan about cages and, yep bloody funny but not good advertising, bikers will not be his flavour right now, he will tell all his mates...............doing nothing often gets respect......

Dare I say it ...2 wrongs and all that.....but don't get me wrong Matt good on ya for doing what you thought was the right thing to do...just agree with ImDying :Playnice:

[Grahameeboy]

I'm with dynamitus50, behaviour modification through fear.
The clown now knows he isn't safe in his cage.

and we are safer now......our survey said ur ur

[imdying]

You have to remember I have a plastic bike. If it were me, an he'd got out and kicked it over before I could take off (because I don't believe you'd be able to), my macho stupidity would've cost me big $$$$. Not to mention assault charges, hospital fees, whatever else came with it.

/edit: Cause lets face it, what would you do (assuming you were a testosterone fueled idiot) if some knob on a wank wank power ranger bike threw your keys?

[JWALKER]

completely agree with what you did. i nearly did the same to a guy on sunday.
coming down the akaroa hill where there are lots of 25km and 35km corners not ideal for passing. had a newbie in between me and sniper and this lexus starts tailgating me all the way down the hill, naturally i had left car lengths space between me and the newbie in case they had to brake hard and the asshole passes me on the hills in between me and the newbir right up their ass, i really got wild. maybe need you to come down here imdying

[Grahameeboy]

completely agree with what you did. i nearly did the same to a guy on sunday.
coming down the akaroa hill where there are lots of 25km and 35km corners not ideal for passing. had a newbie in between me and sniper and this lexus starts tailgating me all the way down the hill, naturally i had left car lengths space between me and the newbie in case they had to brake hard and the asshole passes me on the hills in between me and the newbir right up their ass, i really got wild. maybe need you to come down here imdying

Geeze.........at least you only thought about it....often the best way to deal.......

[imdying]

maybe need you to come down here imdyingCome down where? Christchurch? Check in the line beside my name... You realise you could have let him past quite safely on that road? I mean, if he was driving like such a pyscho, then the short straight parts on that road would've provided him plenty of time, especially if you waved him past.

Riders who are using parts of their body other than their brains for thinking often don't come home... or maybe they'll just throw their bike away on a straight bit of road at a 110km/h ;) Lets face it, unpredictable traffic is worth avoiding. Might be worth mentioning to your newbie mate that there's no shame in letting cars go past, especially if it means getting home in one piece :hug:

[Grahameeboy]

Come down where? Christchurch? Check in the line beside my name... You realise you could have let him past quite safely on that road? I mean, if he was driving like such a pyscho, then the short straight parts on that road would've provided him plenty of time, especially if you waved him past.

Riders who are using parts of their body other than their brains for thinking often don't come home... or maybe they'll just throw their bike away on a straight bit of road at a 110km/h ;) Lets face it, unpredictable traffic is worth avoiding. Might be worth mentioning to your newbie mate that there's no shame in letting cars go past, especially if it means getting home in one piece :hug:

I am still with you on this one...........too many risks taking action...

[JWALKER]

Come down where? Christchurch? Check in the line beside my name... You realise you could have let him past quite safely on that road? I mean, if he was driving like such a pyscho, then the short straight parts on that road would've provided him plenty of time, especially if you waved him past.

Riders who are using parts of their body other than their brains for thinking often don't come home... or maybe they'll just throw their bike away on a straight bit of road at a 110km/h ;) Lets face it, unpredictable traffic is worth avoiding. Might be worth mentioning to your newbie mate that there's no shame in letting cars go past, especially if it means getting home in one piece :hug:

my bad,didnt check your place. dont even go there about my crash, you don't have any idea what happened, you can talk to me about it when you have to make a decision about wether or not to drop a bike at 110km/h or hit a 65km/h corner at 150kmh. im not here to have a go at you man or jack your thread, all im saying is, its nerve racking for newbie with that going on and trying to get their lines right around corners. i agree with you about unpredictable traffic.
we werent riding normally, nothing dangerous and it was on the way down the hill, with no where to pass, ask sniper he was there aswell. all im saying is its a bit hard when you have newbie who has got most of their attention on getting the corners right and its only their second time coming down that hill and you have a car that drives ride up behind them so the only have a meter or two of space behind them, between their tyre and the front of this car coming into 35km/h and 25km/h corners.

[onearmedbandit]

Out of curiousity JWALKER, how long have you been riding for?

[JWALKER]

not long enough oam

[Grahameeboy]

my bad,didnt check your place. dont even go there about my crash, you don't have any idea what happened, you can talk to me about it when you have to make a decision about wether or not to drop a bike at 110km/h or hit a 65km/h corner at 150kmh. im not here to have a go at you man or jack your thread, all im saying is, its nerve racking for newbie with that going on and trying to get their lines right around corners. i agree with you about unpredictable traffic.
we werent riding normally, nothing dangerous and it was on the way down the hill, with no where to pass, ask sniper he was there aswell. all im saying is its a bit hard when you have newbie who has got most of their attention on getting the corners right and its only their second time coming down that hill and you have a car that drives ride up behind them so the only have a meter or two of space behind them, between their tyre and the front of this car coming into 35km/h and 25km/h corners.

I agree with the cagers actions.....it is how we react which is what ImDying is talking about.............maybe with Newbies we should teach them to just indicate and pull over when this sort of thing happens.....I mean we don't want Newbies to see Oldies taking matters into their own hands....

[imdying]

My advice to you then would be for you not to take 'newbie' riders along that road, and not to teach them to think that they're bigger than they are. They're not. Bikes always come off second best against cars. You would be better off doing them a service by teaching them to let faster/idiotic drivers go past. I have travelled the road once or twice, there's is enough room for a faster vehicle to go past if you let them.

[JWALKER]

your right, it was just annoying when your trying to help out a newbie like that and it happens, unfortunatly the part we were in, there wasnt really any room to pullover to the left on. it was road and a straight cliff on the left.

[JWALKER]

My advice to you then would be for you not to take 'newbie' riders along that road, and not to teach them to think that they're bigger than they are. They're not. Bikes always come off second best against cars. You would be better off doing them a service by teaching them to let faster/idiotic drivers go past. I have travelled the road once or twice, there's is enough room for a faster vehicle to go past if you let them.

i don't teach them to think they are bigger than they are, nor do i think that i am. well i have travelled the road a few times aswell.

[onearmedbandit]

not long enough oam


In years mate, how many years have you been riding for?

[JWALKER]

started when i was 15 trailbike riding off and on, but only about two years for sportbikes, im now 25

[imdying]

i don't teach them to think they are bigger than they are, nor do i think that i am. well i have travelled the road a few times aswell.Sorry, that was misleading, I recognised that when I reread it. Judging from Snipers post in that other thread, you guys dented his car? That seemingly 'invincible' attitude isn't a good trick to teach to newbies is what I mean... you're bike isn't a suit of armour, i.e. you're not as big as you think you are (yes, that sounds ooh so condescending I know, but it's not). If he sits 400m up the road (there's only one road back from Akaroa), and then follows you and intimidates you on your bike, what then? You'll probably be alright, you'll take off. Your newbie mate? What of him? If this guy hugs his rear wheel and forces him too fast through a bend, on whose conscsence is that?

Best to leave the testosterone at home, ride safely, and teach your newbie mates to do the same. Pulling over, even on that road, is always an option. If you'd waved him on, he'd have passed soon enough. :Punk:

[onearmedbandit]

Can you tell me how you choose to drop your bike in that accident. What action did you take?

[Grahameeboy]

started when i was 15 trailbike riding off and on, but only about two years for sportbikes, im now 25

Good on ya for taking newbies out.......I bet ya there are some more experienced riders who do not do this so you still get some brownie points.....just that us old farts have realised that 'action' is not always the way.......

[Grahameeboy]

Can you tell me how you choose to drop your bike in that accident. What action did you take?

?????:blank:

[Sniper]

Ok, now heres my two cents in the works.

Imdying, I see your point, its a good point and maybe some of us will take heed of throwing keys away or kicking car doors. Its not worth all the extra hassel of courts, personal injury, fines and the worry that the peson may have well got Rego and will be coming to hunt you down.

JWALKER, I see your point in why you would do the same thing, hell I would do the same.

Imdying, that newbie on the ride was MissSniper. Im not saying that that justifies my actions of leaving a dent in his arse end when he overtook us dangerously, or the fact that he may very well come after me for the damages, Im saying that if anyone puts myself or my loved ones in danger, God help them. The Lexus got the idea after overtaking JWALKER on a blind corner and ended up 2 feet away from MissSnipers back tyre that doing this was OK. I hope that arsehole learnt a damn good lesson in tailgating, and if I could prove that I won't stand for some arsehole driving dangerously, well good on me.

Mattt, good on ya bud, you did what was right at the time.

[mattt]

Always 2 ways to look at things I guess but I am with ImDying too......when you do this sort of thing you gotta thing of "what's the worse that can happen"....we moan about cages and, yep bloody funny but not good advertising, bikers will not be his flavour right now, he will tell all his mates...............doing nothing often gets respect......

Dare I say it ...2 wrongs and all that.....but don't get me wrong Matt good on ya for doing what you thought was the right thing to do...just agree with ImDying :Playnice:

Yeh fair enough - everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The way I see it, for every action - you get a reaction. His tailgating signalled to me he was after something, maybe some abuse, maybe a fight - who knows? He will surely think twice next time. His mates will too as you never know who is under the helmet.

[imdying]

I've nothing against you being a hero, if that's what turns you on. Do it against a car, and you're quite likely to end up flattened. You'd have felt like a right cock if he'd flattened the three of you because of your actions. You're misguided if you think you're protecting your family with actions like that, you're actually endangering them.

And as for 'God help them', ponder Romans 12:19 for a moment; 'Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord.'

[JWALKER]

I've nothing against you being a hero, if that's what turns you on. Do it against a car, and you're quite likely to end up flattened. You'd have felt like a right cock if he'd flattened the three of you because of your actions. You're misguided if you think you're protecting your family with actions like that, you're actually endangering them.

And as for 'God help them', ponder Romans 12:19 for a moment; 'Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord.'

how dare you!. what right do you to throw a scripture?, i know what romans says very well.yes gods wrath is his,but this isnt the time or the place to go into that.
also imdying, i didnt actually touch the car at all, or do any damage to it, i was just venting about the dangerous driving.

[JWALKER]

Can you tell me how you choose to drop your bike in that accident. What action did you take?

man, that is a bit hard to answer. but, to be honest all i remeber thinking was im not going to be able to pass this guy safely before i hit the corner, so i will have to drop the bike. i rermebrer thinking about doing it and then remeber just leaning over and just dropping to the ground, i honestly dont remeber the inital impact, and then i was tumbling along the ground and remeber something someone said about not trying to get up until, i had fully stopped. that is all i remeber about it.

[Sniper]

Correct Imdying, in the eyes of others I may have done wrong to lash out in anger. But put yourself in my shoes, whould would you have done if your partner/wife/best friends were in danger?

As for the quoted scripture. I used to be a real big follower mate so I know where that comes from, but I have been places and seen things that makes me wonder where God is these days. So scripture won't have any impact on me what so ever.

[imdying]

You made the implication in another thread, and this thread, that you damaged his car. I don't feel guilty in assuming that's what you did, you quite plainly wanted people to make assumptions.

You yourself 'brought God into it', if you didn't want to know what He thinks of your actions, you shouldn't have mentioned Him.

If my loved ones were in danger, I would do the best I could to minimise that danger, not increase or encourage it ;) Bikes == small, cars == big, it's a mantra to live by. Let him go past, *555 him, get his address from the Post Office and confront him later, by all means, but taking the fight to the road only risks the saftey you're trying so hard to protect.

[Sniper]

I see what you are saying and I respect your veiwpoint. "God help them" is a phrase I use, its not a genuine prayer for them.

Yes I did damage his car as I thought it was the right thing to do at the right time. There was a 50/50 chance that it could have gone wrong, and I liked my chances :) Although it may have put myself at risk, I see what you are saying that it could have put others at risk too. My stupid mistake, but I still would have done the same if I was by myself.

[mattt]

And as for 'God help them', ponder Romans 12:19 for a moment; 'Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord.'

Not quite right and a little bit outdated, cos if that wog did that to another wog while riding his Ducati around Rome, he would've smacked him in the mouth and then launched his keys. :weird:

My last input into this thread - thanks :sleep: :sleep:

[imdying]

I'm glad handguns aren't legal in NZ, the urge to cap half the drivers in this city is somewhat overwhelming at times.

[Sniper]

I knew you had it in ya :msn-wink:

In SA they have Taxi shootouts most the day, always a good laugh to see taxis with band aids over the holes.

[WildBoarMouse]

That has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a while :)

On the legal note, I've had a chat to an officer about this and you're LEGALLY allowed to split lanes between "parked" cars at traffic lights. Why? Because they're parked! :) Anyway, still a bloody funny story

[Adamski]

JWalker - a note on not getting up from an arsing off until you stop moving - sometimes ya need to. If you can hear the sqeal of cage brakes right behind you, it's a good time to get up and go. I once performed such a feat while tumbling on a California freeway, hearing the loud squeal of multiple cars soon got me fup and diving off the motorway well before I'd stopped rolling!

PS - handguns are legal - but you gotta jump through hoops to own one legally

[JWALKER]

true, fair enough call. i will keep that in mind. fortunatly i didnt have to try to. a guy i was talking to that has ridden for lots years, said you can do alot of damage if you try and get up while you still have momentum while tumbling, thats why i didnt try too. but, i think the sound of squealing tyres might prompt me too:yes:

[Sniper]

Learn to use proper punctuation you illiterate monkey....... :bleh:

[buellbabe]

Quite right he won't, he'll just run them over instead. Nice work.

Part of me loves what ya did but that guy is now gonna hate ALL Motorcyclists (cos thats a cager mentality)... I'll now be alert if ever there is a white ute on my tail, what model? So I can narrow it down abit!

[JWALKER]

Learn to use proper punctuation you illiterate monkey....... :bleh:

what for? ,. don,t know what you talking bout, my sp elling is fine

[Sniper]

what for? ,. don,t know what you talking bout, my sp elling is fine

To a bloody dyslexic baboon its fine. To us preened and proper gents it is hard on the eyes and brain.