Kiwi Biker Riders Club?

[placidfemme]

I've been a member of KB for ages now, over a year if I remember correctly. And during this time I have meet some very friendly and knowledgeable people. Of course from time to time people disagree and arguments happen, but at the end of the day we all love the same thing and we all enjoy talking to and being around people who enojy those same ideals.

KB has over 4013 (2155 Active) members as of right now...

KB also has it's own logo (including Shirts, patches, stickers...) and most bike shops and bikers know of "Kiwi Biker".

How come KB hasn't formed into an actual club yet?

I understand how much work would go into setting up KB as a club, finding a HQ and so forth.

Personally I would be very proud to join KB and pay for my membership...

Anyone else ever thought about this? What are your opinions?

[thehollowmen]

I brought up in a previous thread that essetually we are now a "patch club" but I'd prefer if we still stayed a disorganised band of rabble. In that case the public and non-kb bikers will continue to see us as a disorganised band of rabble and we won't get in any trouble if we wear a patch to the wrong event. Also in the eyes of the public club = gang. My workmates are worried about my bronz tshirt that says "Bronz motorcycle club" on the back. Remember the Ulysses "gang" thread a while back? An "online message board about motorcycles" is a lot more friendly and a better explaination than a "motorcycle club"

I know that the KAOS logo has got me in trouble a few times when wearing bike leathers at pubs, the motorcycle shop, and even shopping malls. I'd rather avoid <b>that</b> kind of trouble again.

On the other hand, an organised club could get some shop benifits, buying power and political lobby powers. If we were a club and had the political lobby powers, who would organise that? Who would be in charge and where would we vote on our movements? It would be nice to travel north to an AGM and be put up for a few nights though: Cibby you got a spare spot? :sweatdrop

But is the tradeoff for red tape worth it?

Someone (with far off / disliked neighbours) could easily build a shed in their yard, fly a KB flag and offer it as a "rally point" for rides and BBQs. This would avoid the red tape / missinterpretation aspect but still give a base of operations for all the fun. Actually, I think we've got one of those down here in the South island already...

That would be a nice stepping stone, if we got a few of those organised. How much for a bulk rate of mid sized KB flags?

[placidfemme]

I can understand the whole "gang" aspect of it... but I think as of now we're too dis-organised to even be a gang lol

*I thought you were doing it*

*no, I thought you were*

haha... But if anyone is really keen on Flags, my aunt works for a printing company that does flags and other fabric/banner kinda things... might be able to get a good deal off her, if Spank Me is interested in looking at that.

[Paul in NZ]

It's a good idea...... and just as long as it stays an idea it will continue to be a good one as well...

Spank et al started a forum and people post here. No commitment required. There are moderators and other people that donate time to do thing that help keep it ticking along! Very cool! BUT (this is a great big BUT in 900 ft tall graite letters suitable for the set of Ben Hur or the Ten Commandments underlined in the blood of a thousand virgins)

It's a sort of benign dictatorship!

Once you form a club.... You need 'officials' and you need a purpose for the club (ie it needs to be about something more specific than 'motorcycles'.

Officials..... Gack! That assumes elections, meetings, agms etc etc. All of a sudden there is a time table and regular comitments.... (sigh) Auckland is the biggest membership base due to biggest population so it makes sense to hold meetings there making the rest of us feel we are hard done by! (it's kinda the way it always ends up)

Purpose? Why? Whats the club about or for? Racing? Touring? Classics? Dirt bikes? Hmm... Clubs of any size usually exist to provide events or run meeting etc for the members (like a Trials club).. Has anyone got time to run a rally?

Perhaps the stated purpose is to represent the interests of motorcyclists... OK, a political lobby group? Hmm.. That takes even MORE time!

So I dunno... Personally I can't see it working but if you want to give it a punt then why not, I vote for you as secretary....

Paul N

[Drunken Monkey]

After some general avoidance of work duties, I could only find this:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=52194#post52194

But I'm sure this has been discussed before and the general consensus is no, otherwise we would have joined one of the many existing clubs out there. Try the AMCC, they're a good bunch.

[placidfemme]

Try the AMCC, they're a good bunch.

thanks but only interested in KB :)

[Riff Raff]

There are enough clubs out there that people can join if they want to. Why turn KB into one? I like the fact that KB is made up of a very diverse group of bikers from New Zealand and around the world who can come on here and talk about stuff that interests them. Why do we need to introduce buerocracy to it? The reality is that clubs are formed so people can ride together, do track days together and socialise together. We already do that.

[bugjuice]

I thought we kinda were already.. what makes coughing up money and meeting in one place any different to us paying for t-shirts, stickers, clothing, donating etc and calendars (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=21908) that we do already?

[DMNTD]

I reckon the idea has more than a few excellent merits.
Has been some serious talk between me and another from up these ways regarding a riding "club" for all...including honda's :shutup:
No secret hand shakes etc but regular rides(which we do anyway) and a bit of fun on the side too. Obviously it would be done with some Northland styled "organisation" :blink: but a great way to get like minded peeps in the same place doing what we all love!
Would be a slight mission to get an NZ wide KB version happening but I'd support it for sure.

[Sniper]

I prefer being part of the disorganised rabble. Besides, imagine getting into trouble with the mongrel mob gang, just cause of patch. Then we would have to rally as many KB'ers as we could to go down to their turf and start a patch war where we could then control their turf. (Long day so far)

[SpankMe]

Kiwi Biker never has been, nor never will be a club. KB is a resouce that any biker can use no matter what club, bussiness or bike type they use or are involved with.

[R6_kid]

nah tis fine as it is... what you could look to do on the side (not directly as part of KB) is to start a 'club' for a certain group - eg the "Gixxer Club" which recently started up. You could also consider the "fightclub" to be a club but thats open to anyone that has the balls to go out for a blat with them.

[ManDownUnder]

There are enough clubs out there that people can join if they want to. Why turn KB into one? I like the fact that KB is made up of a very diverse group of bikers from New Zealand and around the world who can come on here and talk about stuff that interests them. Why do we need to introduce buerocracy to it? The reality is that clubs are formed so people can ride together, do track days together and socialise together. We already do that.

What she said :niceone:

[Hitcher]

I am unclear as to what benefits people expect a "club" to provide that Kiwibiker doesn't already offer?

[zadok]

Charters, committees etc.....things seem to be going well as it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[Paul in NZ]

I am unclear as to what benefits people expect a "club" to provide that Kiwibiker doesn't already offer?

Under my devine leadership, erm I mean helpful guidence we will roll across the country and crush all who, erm I mean protect our lawful rights as citizen of the new biker army erm I mean this fair country.... Equal rights for ALL (except we will be more equal than others wink wink)...

Plus I have these REALLY cool uniforms figured out, all black with loads of chrome stuff and tall leather boots... Oh.. Hang on, I think the HOG guys are already doing that...

[T.I.E]

the policital pull would be great, but to run a club or organasition would be a huge commitment, espically of this size. and a shit of a thing to get going.

i like your idea placid, i can see the good and the bad for both sides.

to be national would be easy. you would start divisions, each with a voting power. but man it would be a huge ammount of work, and asking people for money is a bit much.

i know many on here like myself who are already involved in clubs on the out side. but also having the kb site to log onto gives me a greater diversity of rides, races, info, ideas, and mainly other riders.

[Karma]

nah tis fine as it is... what you could look to do on the side (not directly as part of KB) is to start a 'club' for a certain group - eg the "Gixxer Club" which recently started up. You could also consider the "fightclub" to be a club but thats open to anyone that has the balls to go out for a blat with them.

So when's the inaugural Ninja Riders outing?

ZXR owners only :D

[buellbabe]

Seems to me that aside from NOT getting KB Club Discounts at Bike Shops we are already operating as an informal club. Its really no hassle to organise a Nationwide official Club ( Chapters is how ya do it folks ) but why? I belong to HOG and sure I enjoy it but what I like about KB is the informality. Anyone who has been on the site awhile and done a few KB rides has met people that they I'll bet they now ride with on a regular basis, I certainly have! But theres no pressure to attend meetings, do the "Monthly Club Ride" and all that crap.
However if anyone were to suggest a wkend rally... that would be wicked and I would definately be there... Thats a guaranteed way to make a heap of new friends and riding buddies!:headbang: :beer: :ride: :grouphug:

[marty]

there could be:

Trolls Club - plenty of members there already. They could have weekly meetings with: Wankers Club.

Pointless Drivilly Club - self explanatory

The Those Without Bikes But REALLY Want One, But Can't Decide What They Want Club, could get together with the Jeez I Can't Imagine What It's Going To Be Like When I've Got My Full And There's 1000's Of Bikes To Choose From Club

The I Hate The Pigs Club - probably be the most popular one here.

The I Like the Disorganised Chaos Of Chance Meeting Of Some Other KBers At The Top Of Some Random Hill Club, which is the one i feel part of now, and wouldn't like to change.

[Drunken Monkey]

You can talk about creating a new club all you want, you'll just have to think of a new name for it.

His divine shadow has already spoken:


Kiwi Biker never has been, nor never will be a club. KB is a resouce that any biker can use no matter what club, bussiness or bike type they use or are involved with.

Here endeth the lesson.

[enigma51]

too quick for me was going to post something similiar :baby:

[justsomeguy]

there could be:

Trolls Club - plenty of members there already. They could have weekly meetings with: Wankers Club.

Pointless Drivilly Club - self explanatory

The Those Without Bikes But REALLY Want One, But Can't Decide What They Want Club, could get together with the Jeez I Can't Imagine What It's Going To Be Like When I've Got My Full And There's 1000's Of Bikes To Choose From Club

The I Hate The Pigs Club - probably be the most popular one here.

The I Like the Disorganised Chaos Of Chance Meeting Of Some Other KBers At The Top Of Some Random Hill Club, which is the one i feel part of now, and wouldn't like to change.


Something tells me you've been here too long. :killingme :lol: :laugh: :killingme - thanks for the Monday humour - I needed it - bling awarded.

May I apply to be the president of: "Jeez I Can't Imagine What It's Going To Be Like When I've Got My Full And There's 1000's Of Bikes To Choose From Club".

[bugjuice]

you forgot Fight Club..
and 'denial' club.. some members don't even know they belong to it

[justsomeguy]

you forgot Fight Club..
and 'denial' club.. some members don't even know they belong to it


Shh - 1st rule of Fight Club - only fight club members talk and talk (and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk) about fight club.

What about the "Let's banter with JSG club". I really need some new members Mr. Skid has gone underground and taken WINJA with him, Nhuan has become lazy, I'm only left with you, bugjuice junior and SpeedoWearingMedic.

[bugjuice]

FC is elusive anyway. We don't ride. We can't ride. We never have ridden and never will ride. We just say we do. We never touch the roads, and we're scared of motorway speeds.

[N4CR]

What about the "Let's banter with JSG club". I really need some new members Mr. Skid has gone underground and taken WINJA with him, Nhuan has become lazy, I'm only left with you, bugjuice junior and SpeedoWearingMedic.

You forgot about John and myself, squidface.

[Grahameeboy]

there could be:

Trolls Club - plenty of members there already. They could have weekly meetings with: Wankers Club.

Pointless Drivilly Club - self explanatory

The Those Without Bikes But REALLY Want One, But Can't Decide What They Want Club, could get together with the Jeez I Can't Imagine What It's Going To Be Like When I've Got My Full And There's 1000's Of Bikes To Choose From Club

The I Hate The Pigs Club - probably be the most popular one here.

The I Like the Disorganised Chaos Of Chance Meeting Of Some Other KBers At The Top Of Some Random Hill Club, which is the one i feel part of now, and wouldn't like to change.

Smarty pants........:wavey:

[Grahameeboy]

Shh - 1st rule of Fight Club - only fight club members talk and talk (and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk) about fight club.

What about the "Let's banter with JSG club". I really need some new members Mr. Skid has gone underground and taken WINJA with him, Nhuan has become lazy, I'm only left with you, bugjuice junior and SpeedoWearingMedic.

and me me me..........

[erik]

There are enough clubs out there that people can join if they want to. Why turn KB into one? I like the fact that KB is made up of a very diverse group of bikers from New Zealand and around the world who can come on here and talk about stuff that interests them. Why do we need to introduce buerocracy to it? The reality is that clubs are formed so people can ride together, do track days together and socialise together. We already do that.
What she said :niceone:
What he said :)

[Paul in NZ]

How's about a KB swingers club?????
.

Nah, we would need more sidecars

[Nicksta]

Kiwi Biker never has been, nor never will be a club. KB is a resouce that any biker can use no matter what club, bussiness or bike type they use or are involved with.

I like the fact you can join/belong/read KB and be who ever you are, wherever you come from.... learn a lot about bikes and meet a wide variety of people in a friendly environment who all share one great love... :ride:

[merv]

I've got enough clubs now, leave it as it is. With clubs comes all the hard work and arguing. This way we can argue and it doesn't matter - no remits, rules and all that stuff, and when we are ready to ride we do.

[The_Dover]

Nah, we would need more sidecars

Is that a dig at the number of single, rootless, hopeless people on this site Mr PiNZ?

Not very nice is it? But I agree, we should ditch the losers before the swinging begins.

[NhuanH]

What about the "Let's banter with JSG club". I really need some new members Mr. Skid has gone underground and taken WINJA with him, Nhuan has become lazy, I'm only left with you, bugjuice junior and SpeedoWearingMedic.
I've always been lazy.

[KATWYN]

There are enough clubs out there that people can join if they want to. Why turn KB into one? I like the fact that KB is made up of a very diverse group of bikers from New Zealand and around the world who can come on here and talk about stuff that interests them. Why do we need to introduce buerocracy to it? .

Whats good about the KB site is there are no clicks. and if there are, you don't know about them - because you tend to gravitate (cyberly) to riders that have the same type of personalities as you as there are so many of us
to choose to "hang with" . with clubs there is always BS politics - No thanks. KB works just fine as it is.

In fact I have been a member for about 3 years which for me is a long time and I'm guessing its because
theres no politics

[wari]

ANy-one can forrm a club and run-nit on KB now .. :sherlock:

SEe heer .. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16) .. :spudwow:

BUtt :moon: will ya have a quor-rum .. :drinkup:

:wari:

[Skyryder]

Use to be into clubs. Met the misses and did not need it. Left it back in the cave where it belongs.



Skyryder

[scumdog]

I'm all for the status quo (and the band too) as I prefer to be linked with a loose packed bunch of dingbat scruffy drunken speeding reprobate bike riders.

Makes ME look good.:msn-wink:

KB badges/T-shirts etc is all we need eh?

[inlinefour]

Turning KB into anything resembling a club or whateveryouwanttocallit IMO is a totally fucking dumb idea.
Want to join a club, there are ones allready available. But some don't like Japanese bikes.
Its my understanding that KB is just for people who are into motorcycles, period. Yea we have all sorts of personalities here, but IMO thats a good thing and makes the place both interesting and a good source of laughter.
I got a bit concerned when I started reading this thread, thinking that the place was going to totally turn to shit and this lame idea might become reality. But thankfully spank's idea is along the same lines with mine on what we are all about. For those who really want to join a club, feel free. But don't try to change things here as some of us actually like it just the way it is.:moon: :weird:

[Karma]

The only clubs we need are ones to beat baby seals to death with!

[MattRSK]

I think I will get me one of those KB Stickers and put it on my bike. Everyone here seems to be helpful and friendly. Wonder if I would get beat up in a pub for the sticker.

[inlinefour]

Yeah but probably for sticking it on a Honda. They would take it off you untill you went and bought a Suzuki.

A Honda is by far too much of a precision piece of machinery to put something like that on. :killingme

I quite happily put some stickers on the Yamaha and once I pick up the K3 custard sooooki:eek: I'll be putting a KB stcker on that too:bleh:

[placidfemme]

A lot of the comments made have made a lto of sense... I'm proud to be a member of KB even if it isn't an actual registered club... I didn't realise so much time and effort went into setting one up and keeping it going... now that this has been pointed out to me, I'd vote for option 2. But thanks for all the responses anyway :)