Bronz?

[Big Dave]

Can someone give us some educated opinions on what goes on with BRONZ. Who what where? - and don't bother bitching about it. I'm looking to take the process forward.

It occurs to me that maybe some of the angst energy that goes into posting and ranting on Kiwi Biker could be better directed? To the Govt via BRONZ perhaps.

Don't know how it works, but there's some letter writing communicating power at least.

Lets stop spinning our wheels at each other a bit maybe.

[Ixion]

I'm a member. I think it's fallen into that stage that besets a lot of such organsiations, where the fire has died out. They do some good work, but I'm pretty certain they're discounted in the "circles of power". No fire, no balls, no worry.

There is an Auckland AGM once a year, last year I suggested that any Auckland KBers who were members go along and get some representation on the committee, with a view to making the organisation more active. But no-one seemed interested, and then I was overseas myself anyway.

I'm a starter for anything that's sensible, I reckon getting BRONZ back on track would be quicker and easier than starting a new group. We need something like the MAG in the UK.

[BM-GS]

I was a member for a year or 2 recently. They seem to do some good work (rider training, spannering sesions, etc), but they haven't made the jump to being a big enough organisation to make much of a difference. They don't get included on the list of interested parties (AA, etc) to do with road stuff or changes to traffic rules/policy, so can only play catch-up.

It seems a small group, but a lot of time is spent on meetings and discussing stuff amongst themselves rather than badgering Minsters/councils, etc. Maybe that's rules on how such organisations conduct themselves?

I un-joined as I wasn't getting much out of it and there wasn't much I could do at the time (or now) to help. If anyone wants to get stuck in & make a difference, you could do worse, but I think they need full-time people to keep on at the powers-that-be to make a difference.

They're not MAG in the UK, but then the political-type problems here are different - and lesser, I think. I can't think of any, apart from bus-lane use and a possible end to the lane-splitting ban (front number-plates?). Maybe once toll-roads start appearing everywhere there'll be more to do.

My $0.02,

[The Stranger]

I'm a member. I think it's fallen into that stage that besets a lot of such organsiations, where the fire has died out. They do some good work, but I'm pretty certain they're discounted in the "circles of power". No fire, no balls, no worry.

There is an Auckland AGM once a year, last year I suggested that any Auckland KBers who were members go along and get some representation on the committee, with a view to making the organisation more active. But no-one seemed interested, and then I was overseas myself anyway.

I'm a starter for anything that's sensible, I reckon getting BRONZ back on track would be quicker and easier than starting a new group. We need something like the MAG in the UK.

Speeking for Auckland only here.

Much of what you say is I feel somewhat correct.
Unfortunately as usual most want to leave it up to the next bloke, consequently also as usual, a small core wind up carrying the load and many others will line up to knock when "things" are not done.

Because of the limited resources we are restricted to training (RRRS), some rides (Easter, blood, toy) and we respond to proposed legislation by making submissions to govt on legislation which may impact motorcyclists. In all probability you would not even know that you have been assisted in this manner, but we do see ammendments made which we have proposed, so the system does work sometimes. There are several other tacks which I personally would like to see, but require more support and more knowledge than I possess.

All bikers are welcome, Auckland meetings are held the third Wednesday of each month at the Danish House in Rockridge Ave, Penrose.

[Big Dave]

Would it be good if they/we/i post some sort of agenda on Kiwi Biker?

Imagining they would suggest 'calls to action' and try and boost membership so it does get 'consideration'.
I could back it up in the mag too.

dreamin' - but worth a go.

Ixion - do you have a hotline for some of their data?

edit - don't bother CaN just aswered.

[Big Dave]

All bikers are welcome, Auckland meetings are held the third Wednesday of each month at the Danish House in Rockridge Ave, Penrose.

OK - what time - is that this week?

[The Stranger]

Sorry mate, last week.
It is at 7:30 pm.

I have sent you a PM with the Auck President's details.
Sometimes he can't stop and talk and sometimes you just plain wont get him during business hours, but he is approachable.

[Zapf]

happy to be involved....

specially as I saw today personally the lack of training / safety gear for pizza boys riding 50cc scooters!

[enigma51]

Not sound stupid or anything but for those who dont realy know but have heard of it what is BRONZ

[Big Dave]

Not sound stupid or anything but for those who dont realy know but have heard of it what is BRONZ

Bikers right of NZ - innit? no stupido - that's why i asked too.

and are there any alternatives.

[scumdog]

Member of BRONZ Otago, going fairly strong at the moment with 100+ members, they run the Vincent rally each year (among other things) and are generally quite active on the political front.

[Big Dave]

e generally quite active on the political front.

On what issues?

[scumdog]

On what issues?

Registration fees, motorbike safety issues, licence regulations, roadside barriers etc.

Re you sig. - my mates and self regularly refer to them as "ecnalubmas", causes a lot of head-scratching from others around us.

[Swoop]

Registration fees, motorbike safety issues, licence regulations, roadside barriers etc.

Re you sig. - my mates and self regularly refer to them as "ecnalubmas", causes a lot of head-scratching from others around us.
Typical ecilop...:lol:


I have wondered about phoning my MP for a little chat. There are topics that would be very relevant...
Bikes in bus lanes (m'way)
ACC levy.
Driving skills of kiwis in general....

If we each did this with our own MP's, there MIGHT be a slight "perking up of the ears" of our governmental representatives (which is what they are bloody well there for anyway!!!)

[Big Dave]

The AKL meeting is wednesday night? - co-pilot not keen, but I'm going to go and have a listen. Anybody else wanna tag along.

[SpankMe]

and don't bother bitching about it. I'm looking to take the process forward.
Kiwi's are very good at complaining, but are absolutely useless when it comes to actually doing anything about it.

[bugjuice]

So whatcha gona do about it spank?

[SpankMe]

Sit on my arse and whinge.

[bugjuice]

yup . .

[Lou Girardin]

When's the next meeting BD? Are non-member whingers allowed?

[Big Dave]

When's the next meeting BD? Are non-member whingers allowed?

This Wednesday night - I don't know how it works - but Im interested to find out. Might just listen first. (yeah right) but I'll try.

[Lou Girardin]

This Wednesday night - I don't know how it works - but Im interested to find out. Might just listen first. (yeah right) but I'll try.

Give me a call, I might come along.

[The Stranger]

I will check the official position on non member whingers, however I don't see a problem with it, hopefully said whinger will be sufficiently interested in the cause and get stuck in and help.

[Big Dave]

I will check the official position on non member whingers, however I don't see a problem with it, hopefully said whinger will be sufficiently interested in the cause and get stuck in and help.


tell me where and when again - prolly earlier in this thread innit - oh well



>>F*&k the question, the answer is more power! <<

What if the question is 'wanna f*&k'?
(not you)

[El Dopa]

I have wondered about phoning my MP for a little chat.

Driving skills of kiwis in general....

If we each did this with our own MP's, there MIGHT be a slight "perking up of the ears" of our governmental representatives

I'm three lines into a letter to my MP on this issue. I was going to post it up for anyone who wanted to do a cut'n'paste job when it's finished.

That might take some time though.

[The Stranger]

It's at 7:30 pm at The Danish House 6 Rockridge Avenue (off O’Rorke Road), Penrose, Auckland.

And any/all interested parties, members or not, are welcome.

[DemonWolf]

Let us know how it goes Big Dave.. I'd be interested in your view point afterwards =)

[laRIKin]

Is there a CH.CH (Canterbury) member of BRONZ here on this forum?

And what is it like now?

Years a go a mate came back from over seas to rejoin (went to a meeting) and no one would talk to him.
So just left pissed off, as it was not the same sort of people that were their when he had left.
He got the feeling that it had lost momentum (nothing new to do) and just was winding down and was very cliquy.

I'm not really trying to run it down, as they have done good work.
Just want a up date to what it is like now.
And what are doing etc.

http://bronz.org.nz/

[Big Dave]

I went - I listened - I hardly shut up.

BRONZ is definitely worth supporting.
We all should get behind it. I'll post some ideas on why and how shortly.

[The Stranger]

Yeah, bloody great to have you and Trev there.
Thank you very much for some great input guys.

I don't know about you, but I really got to admire Finn. He sure has worked bloody hard.

[scumdog]

I went - I listened - I hardly shut up.

BRONZ is definitely worth supporting.
We all should get behind it. I'll post some ideas on why and how shortly.

Glas to see SOMEBODY went to the BRONZ meeting - and came away with a positive attitude too!

Not the usual KBer (or kiwi for that matter) who instead would have (a) moaned about how useless BRONZ is and (b) not got off their lardy arse and gone to see what BRONZ is like and (c) HAD they gone along would have said nothing and then posted on KB what a shit outfit BRONZ is 'cos they never listened....

Cynical?
or trying to provoke another 'somebody' to attend BRONZ and do 'something'?

You decide.

[oldrider]

I speed read this months KiwiRider article by BRONZ with the intention of getting back and reading it fully later.
My son in law has taken the book before I could do it.
My reason for wanting to get back and read it properly and think about what they were saying is that at the conclusion of the brief read I was feeling pissed off with them (BRONZ)
My thoughts were that they seemed intent on focusing all of their energies on attacking older drivers with the intent of making it more difficult (and expensive) for them to be on the road. (A cause not without some merit)
I personally felt threatened by their tone, probably because I am on the fringe of being one of their target population.
My thoughts were, with all the problems facing us (bikers) what are they (BRONZ) pissing about wasting their time attacking the oldies, haven't they got better things to do.
I know that there are older drivers that shouldn't be on the road and I have taken it upon myself to challenge many of the ones I see holding up traffic or doing really stupid things with their vehicles because I have a vested interest in how they are perceived.
My wife and I are going to be judged and treated according to how they behave now, in the very near future and they (oldies) really piss me off when they are queering the pitch for us later.
I wouldn't mind BRONZ's attitude if all in the motorcycle world was bright and rosie but they should focus on cleaning up their own backyard before they clean up on the seemingly defenceless oldies.
I have looked at the BRONZ site and tried to find out a bit more about what it is about but the impression I get is that they remind me of the type of people who get appointed to the firms "Safety Officer" position after they have been the least safety conscious employee in the firm.
They also seem, as has been mentioned before, to be a group who are more interested in, meeting protocol, rather than, meeting purpose.
If I am being unfair here, so be it , I am writing to express what I feel the image of BRONZ is in my mind as BRONZ has sold it's self to me when I have glanced in their direction.
Ones perception is after all ones reality is it not.
I am happy to stand corrected and be condemned if I am out of order but these are my current, feelings and thoughts about BRONZ so thought I would express them. John.

[Ixion]

I think you hit it pretty well Mr Oldrider.

But, doesn't mean that the organisation need be written off. The people running it are bikers, and maybe need just a bit of gingering up. I' like to think so , anyway.

Easier to reapir than rebuild. Sometimes.

I'm fairly sure that even if they're not watching these threads, someone will tell them of the discussion.

[The Stranger]

Hmm,
Thank you John.

I must admit, I haven't read the article, but shall go and buy KR very soon.

I was present when BRONZ Auckland formulated it's response to the proposed changes in legslation re older drivers.
I thought our discussions were a fairly even handed attack on all drivers, not just the old. However the legslation is specifically about older drivers so we did have a reasonably narrow focus.

The guy whom writes the article for KR tends to pick a topic which is reasonably current (where possible) to write about, and as this legslation is currently up for review picked this one at this time.

It is not a case of BRONZ being out to target older drivers at all, we do not have you in our sights in particular. We do work hard to try and improve the lot of motorcyclists in all areas, however we would be remiss if we did not attempt to address issues surrounding older drivers when this legslation is up for review.

I would heartly encourage you to join and attend BRONZ meetings etc in your area and in that way have your say in how BRONZ should best serve motorcyclists.

[The Stranger]

Just went through the article.

I think you should actually read it properly before posting criticism of it.

I submit that it is fair and even handed, and actually more a swipe at the proceedures used than a swipe at the aged for the sake of age.

And whilst you are at it read the statistics offered, they are rather chilling. Each statistic is someones life and a family damaged, not just a number on a bit of paper!

[oldrider]

[QUOTE=CaN]Just went through the article. I think you should actually read it properly before posting criticism of it.QUOTE]

I did say I speed read the article and that I don't have the mag at the moment to re-read it.

I also said I was happy to be contradicted.

I just posted how I felt about BRONZ and I wonder how many others feel negative towards BRONZ without really stopping to look at it in depth.

In other words how much apathy is there out there and what does BRONZ really do to encourage new interest or members etc?

I gave the article a brief scan and it endorsed the negative feelings rather than the positive as a result, so I shared my feelings on this thread.

As I also said, my perception is my reality and I haven't had any "must join" vibes from BRONZ apart from this thread and I defend my right to post on that. John.

[oldrider]

I would heartly encourage you to join and attend BRONZ meetings etc in your area and in that way have your say in how BRONZ should best serve motorcyclists.
Yes, well I have started that process.
There are two branches available to me for membership. Timaru or Otago.
I "Googled" BRONZ and had to sort through a lot of crap before I found it.
The site has been refreshed considerably since I last looked at it, impressed this time.
I rang the Timaru branch contact number and Ron is sending me some material about the organisation and advised of where and when they hold their meetings.
I don't know if I will be able to make it to the meetings but I will give membership serious consideration. Cheers John.

[laRIKin]

Is there a CH.CH (Canterbury) member of BRONZ here on this forum?

And what is it like now?

Years a go a mate came back from over seas to rejoin (went to a meeting) and no one would talk to him.
So just left pissed off, as it was not the same sort of people that were their when he had left.
He got the feeling that it had lost momentum (nothing new to do) and just was winding down and was very cliquy.

I'm not really trying to run it down, as they have done good work.
Just want a up date to what it is like now.
And what are doing etc.

http://bronz.org.nz/


After sending E-Mails and searching.
I found this.

http://www.bronz.org.nz/news/national.htm

So now I know.

[oldrider]

Well I got my bike ship shape today and Mrs O/r and I rode around to Timaru via the McKenzie country and attended a BRONZ branch meeting there.

Answering CaN's challenge above. :Pokey:

They were/are a nice bunch of guy's and made us very welcome.
Their meeting was reasonably short and quite formal (about 1 hr) 4pm to 5pm.

We had a 140km to ride home, via Waimate, so didn't have time to do much socialising after the meeting unfortunately but it was a good ice breaker.

I had a little inward laugh to myself re my thinking BRONZ was getting at the older drivers in the KiwiRider article, all of those at the meeting were all at least my age or older!

I have a much clearer understanding of what BRONZ stands for now.

The one thing that seems consistent about BRONZ is that they are struggling for active members everywhere at a time when (In my opinion) bikers need to be united and strong.

Are there any other organisations, besides BRONZ doing their work?

How else are we going to combat the socialist rule/law makers that are eroding our rights and requirements that allow us to remain free spirited motorcyclists.

There has to be a better way of empowering our united voice so that they can not and dare not ignore us and if they do, they do it at their peril.

Think about it, we seem to be being ignored with impunity at the moment!

How many motorcyclists are there in New Zealand? Does anyone really know?

There seem to be too many self interested (not a criticism) and varied biker groups, spinning their wheels, castigating each other, throughout NZ while the bureaucrats and politicians run rough shod all over us. :doh:

Are "WE" going to do anything about it. :spudwhat:

Big dave has made a start.

BRONZ have been battling away.

They need more support!

So far I'm only thinking about what I can do to help but at least I'm thinking. Cheers John.

[Big Dave]

I have a few days updating and building web sites and 2 kiwi rider articles to pen - and then its focus on BRONZ/Politics again - when is the next AKl meet - next wednesday?

[The Stranger]

Well thank you oldrider for taking the time. Great stuff.

The next Auckland meeting is the wednesday after that, the 19th of April.

[oldrider]

We had our local Ulysses branch AGM tonight and after the meeting we had an informal discussion about BRONZ and their situation and the role/function that they play in the politics and the protection of our (bikers) rights. :Oi:

It was pretty unanimous among the group that all biker groups should show support and get in behind BRONZ and give them backing so that they can wield a bigger better stronger stick on our behalf. :kick:

It was also considered prudent to back BRONZ rather than try to reinvent the wheel. The infrastructure of BRONZ is already in existence and it just needs our support and backing. :grouphug:

It was not an opportunity for anything more positive tonight but we are going to carry on thinking and discussing what we can do to help. :psst:

Everyone present felt that "now" is when BRONZ really needs us, (and we need them) rather than later, because the f**ck wits of politics :tugger: are creaming us and pulling the rug out from under our wheels. :Pokey:

We are trying to light a fire here. Will keep you posted, :niceone: Cheers John.

[Big Dave]

The next Auckland meeting is the wednesday after that, the 19th of April.


Do you know/can we post - what is on the agenda?

[The Stranger]

Do you know/can we post - what is on the agenda?

Buggered if I know Dave, I just turn up. Never really been one for protocol.

I am happy to speak to Finn, like I gather you got something/s you wish to include.

You can obviously call him though.

[Big Dave]

I gather you got something/s you wish to include.



Looking for some inspiration atchally.

[The Stranger]

Looking for some inspiration atchally.

Ok broken record here again.

Wake up you lot.

BRONZ meeting tomorrow evening at The Danish House.
All welcome for some stale bicsuits.
Come On Big Dave and Ixion.

[Big Dave]

Considering the gutter minds of some individuals on this site - could you edit the last line of above please.:no:

I'll be thar.

[scumdog]

If all you loser that didn't belong to anything other than a STD clinic joined and supported BRONZ then motorcyclists would have a ton more clout with LTNZ and Gov't etc, just JOIN, o.k.?

[Squeak the Rat]

Arsebiscuits, I missed the thread and hence the meeting.

Apologies.

Is there a date for the next meeting so I can chuck in my calendar?
STR.

[The Stranger]

Meetings in Auckland are the 3rd Wednesday of each month (except December) 7:30 pm.

Address details etc are in the Calendar.

[Rincewind]

This Wednesday night - I don't know how it works - but Im interested to find out. Might just listen first. (yeah right) but I'll try.
Ha Ha only met you once but would guess someone would have to gaffa tape your visor down,got a feeling if we need a spokesman though you would be top of the list,good on ya !!

Brummy Dave

He said "where are you from" I said "Birmingham" he said "Sorry" I said "Birmingam" He said "yes I'm sorry"

[Big Dave]

Ha Ha only met you once but would guess someone would have to gaffa tape your visor down,got a feeling if we need a spokesman though you would be top of the list,good on ya !!

Brummy Dave

He said "where are you from" I said "Birmingham" he said "Sorry" I said "Birmingam" He said "yes I'm sorry"

The old ones are the best mate.

Nice reminder - the Trail went cold on this - but has hotted up again.
I'm in the process of getting a few articles in the can before I go to press but it's only a part time gig - so it's not going to be for a few editions yet.

Meanwhile We have a new BRONZ site under construction - awaiting some more data and Swanny has done some sterling work on a ride right ride safe web site.

If any of you need some web work done - he's done a very good job for bronz.

Meantime we meet and Mr ixion and i plan the eventual conquest of helengrad. With our combined senses of humour - it may be a long war of attrition.

[Ixion]

,,

Meantime we meet and Mr ixion and i plan the eventual conquest of helengrad. With our combined senses of humour - it may be a long war of attrition.

Humour? attrition?? what is this you speak of. I have many times said, dynamite is my choice. You line 'em up, I'll blow 'em up. Attrition is for the birds, takes too long. and I have no sense of humour I ride a BMW, remember.

[Big Dave]

I have no sense of humour I ride a BMW, remember.

Yeah you do! - It's called 'black comedy'.

[Rincewind]

Humour? attrition?? what is this you speak of. I have many times said, dynamite is my choice. You line 'em up, I'll blow 'em up. Attrition is for the birds, takes too long. and I have no sense of humour I ride a BMW, remember.
I reckon I could get you two a gig as a double act,stand up comedy would be a good platform to bring serious motorcycling issues to public attention !!
Failing that I reckon stratigicaly placed dynamite on state highway 1 bus lanes incoveiniently placed to cause maximum discomfort to passengers (obviously I'm not condoning blowing up busses,just the carridgeway)
good luck with that !!:rockon:

[Ixion]

No, Herr von Klunken is white. Ratty is has some black but predominately red. Black is not a very safe colour for motorcycles.

[Ixion]

,,
Failing that I reckon stratigicaly placed dynamite on state highway 1 bus lanes incoveiniently placed to cause maximum discomfort to passengers (obviously I'm not condoning blowing up busses,just the carridgeway)
good luck with that !!:rockon:

There are no bus lanes on SH1. But if you can get dynamite, I will blow things up randomly.

[Karma]

Meetings in Auckland are the 3rd Wednesday of each month (except December) 7:30 pm.

Address details etc are in the Calendar.

Weekdays eh... I work evening shifts.

Because I'm too lazy, anyone got a link to the BRONZ site (if they have one of course)

[The Stranger]

Weekdays eh... I work evening shifts.

Because I'm too lazy, anyone got a link to the BRONZ site (if they have one of course)

Here (http://www.davidcohen.co.nz/bronz/index.html) is the latest from Big Dave. Not finished or live yet, but we are working on it.

[Ixion]

The new site looks very professionally done, and a great improvement on the old one. Congratulations to all concenred.

If I might proffer one observation, (not a criticism, just an thought), the first page (I assume it is the home page) does an excellent job of selling the sausage. But perhaps not so much on selling the sizzle ? If I know what BRONZ is and am already a supporter, or think I want to be, it will give me lots of good useful information. But if I am just a happen-along cyberspace traveller, does it reach out and grab me?

[raster]

Went to the last meeting, joined up, only $20, bugger all for the effort these guys put in.
Good to meet you again Noel, Ixion and Dave and to meet the guys that do the hard yards with BRONZ of which I have often heard bandied around but not really knowing what they do.

I will be endouvering to get to all the meetings.

Website is coming along well Dave.

[The Stranger]

Thank you sir, it is great to see new faces there.

[Big Dave]

The new site looks very professionally done, and a great improvement on the old one. Congratulations to all concenred.

If I might proffer one observation, (not a criticism, just an thought), the first page (I assume it is the home page) does an excellent job of selling the sausage. But perhaps not so much on selling the sizzle ? If I know what BRONZ is and am already a supporter, or think I want to be, it will give me lots of good useful information. But if I am just a happen-along cyberspace traveller, does it reach out and grab me?


I look forward to your opening page text then.
You draft - i'll massage.

[Pixie]

It occurs to me that maybe some of the angst energy that goes into posting and ranting on Kiwi Biker could be better directed? To the Govt via BRONZ perhaps.


How is that more satisfying than ineffectual whining?

[Big Dave]

How is that more satisfying than ineffectual whining?

It's like sex - much more satisfying if everyone starts and finishes at the same time.

[Badcat]

i'm in.
when's the next meeting?

K

[oldrider]

The new site looks very professionally done, and a great improvement on the old one. Congratulations to all concenred.

If I might proffer one observation, (not a criticism, just an thought), the first page (I assume it is the home page) does an excellent job of selling the sausage. But perhaps not so much on selling the sizzle ? If I know what BRONZ is and am already a supporter, or think I want to be, it will give me lots of good useful information. But if I am just a happen-along cyberspace traveller, does it reach out and grab me? (much improved I think)
This is very exciting and encouraging news. I take Ixions point.
I have highlighted the "does it reach out and grab me?" for another reason too.
I read through the revised site for two reasons.
One to see what it was like and two, to review what has been done about stock effluent and dangerous substances deposited and left on the highway.
The condition other road users leave the road in lately is absolutely shocking.
As a motorcyclist I know i must face greater risk than a four wheel vehicle driver but when they deliberately increase my risks without any apparent form of comeback except to increase "my" costs (ACC, insurance etc) I get really pissed off.
The farmer, stock truck and fire wood contribution to road desecration is getting really bad everywhere now.
I am not criticising BRONZ, just asking. ( I support what you guys are doing absolutely) :first: Cheers John.

[The Stranger]

i'm in.
when's the next meeting?

K

Um, you do realise the "like sex" comment was a euphemism aye.

[The Stranger]

i'm in.
when's the next meeting?

K

The next meeting is on the 21 of this month at 7:30pm.
Details are on the KB Calander.

Look forward to seeing you there.

[Big Dave]

Um, you do realise the "like sex" comment was a euphemism aye.


now that's funny!

Oldrider - 'I am not criticising BRONZ, just asking.'
No more tiptoeing around - 's ok.

A feedback form will be on the site - indeed 'what are your issues' should be there.

I reckon the process for getting your effluent issue raised - or any other eg - are:

- Join BRONZ
- Attend meeting
- Raise issue in general business
- Motion is debated, drafted and voted by meeting
- Local branch delegates present motion to national comitee meeting
- National body debates and formulates position statement
- Postion statement published - on web site
- Call to action - who to write to - who to email - and a form letter or some copy and paste available from site
- All members who support position email minister, council TNZ or whatever relevant instrument.

Simple aye!

[Macktheknife]

This sounds like a good thing, I might get along to the meeting myself. Good work on the new website too, well done to those involved.

[Badcat]

Um, you do realise the "like sex" comment was a euphemism aye.

yep - BD is a fine figure of a man, but he scares me frankly.
sometimes i just want to be held..

[Pixie]

If all you loser that didn't belong to anything other than a STD clinic joined and supported BRONZ then motorcyclists would have a ton more clout with LTNZ and Gov't etc, just JOIN, o.k.?
That's debatable.How many thousands of grannies are AA members?And still the AA is a bunch of kiss arses

[Pixie]

Um, you do realise the "like sex" comment was a euphemism aye.
So we are going to advocate assisted deaths?

[Big Dave]

yep - BD is a fine figure of a man, but he scares me frankly.
sometimes i just want to be held..


I'm used to being held....accountable.

[SwanTiger]

I'm going to join up at some point and make an effort to attend the meetings and see if I can unload some of my juvenile ideas off onto the more aged members.

[oldrider]

I'm going to join up at some point and make an effort to attend the meetings and see if I can unload some of my juvenile ideas off onto the more aged members.
What's wrong with "juvenile" ideas, us "oldies" have used most of our Juvenile ideas up, that seems to be the problem, the well has gone dry and we need you. :blip:
We just have to learn to appreciate you, show us how good you are. Earn our respect.
That some point in time has arrived, do it now! :yes: Cheers, John.

[Big Dave]

What's wrong with "juvenile" ideas, us "oldies" have used most of our Juvenile ideas up, that seems to be the problem, the well has gone dry and we need you. :blip:
We just have to learn to appreciate you, show us how good you are. Earn our respect.
That some point in time has arrived, do it now! :yes: Cheers, John.


He's already got mine - the man has done a top job building RRRS a new site. Launched shortly.

CaN and he will raise the curtain on that one - done the leg work.

Only thing that worries me about Swanny is the greenstone club he wears around his neck - would have trouble squashing a mozzie. What good is that as backup? :nya:

[The Stranger]

So we are going to advocate assisted deaths?

Umm...do you mean euthenasia?

[Big Dave]

Umm...do you mean euthenasia?


Nah - the youth in auckland will do.