Boy-racers

[Angry Puppy]

In a few of the recent postings, some of you guys have mentioned your feelings towards boy racers and bikers that give the majority of us a bad name.

I am personally of the opinion that the only way to clean up the streets is to make insurance legally mandatory. this will make street racing financially prohibitive to the little scrotes and get a lot of them off the roads.

How do we enforce it? in Ireland you have an insurance cert on your windscreen, if not, tow the bastards.

Like a lot of you, I hate insurance and insurance companies. especially the way the premiums manage to keep going up each year, even though you have yet more no claims bonus, but if it will help make the roads a little bit safer then go for it.

What do you guys think?

Fazer Bloke.

[Angry Puppy]

Oh yes, and some other methods I've seen around the world that I like;

- variable speed limits outside schools. At apropriate hours the speed limit i dropped from 50 to 20 (for arguments sake).

- Speeding convictions that are automatically doubled if you are caught speeding when there are workmen working on the road.

Fazer Bloke

[wkid_one]

Oh yes, and some other methods I've seen around the world that I like;

- variable speed limits outside schools. At apropriate hours the speed limit i dropped from 50 to 20 (for arguments sake).

- Speeding convictions that are automatically doubled if you are caught speeding when there are workmen working on the road.

Fazer Bloke
Check your road code - variable speed limits around schools ARE in force in NZ - 20kph around a school bus in NZ is the rule.

I agree that insurance should be mandatory if you drive on the road...HOWEVER - this won't prevent those who don't have it from driving - how many unwarranted and/or unregistered cars are on the road - and how many unlicensed drivers are driving?....

I honestly think however that there is very little wrong with Boy Racers. Fuck at the end of the day, my father can revel me for hours about the cars he has done up......what has changed? Nothing other than the cars are flasher, quicker and finance makes them more accessible.

Given the money they spend on their cars - I would rather come up against one of these than an unregistered driver who couldn't give a fuck about his car. At least the boy racers prize there cars and don't want to ding them

[Ms Piggy]

And at the end of the day the same dick wads that break the laws & direspect others now aren't gonna care anyway. :brick:

[Yamahamaman]

Given the money they spend on their cars - I would rather come up against one of these than an unregistered driver who couldn't give a fuck about his car. At least the boy racers prize there cars and don't want to ding them
I wonder why then, that they must endanger their lives and others that follow by laying diesel on the road so that it is easier for them to make their vehicle go out of control. :eek5:

[Two Smoker]

Shit yes i ride over that desiel everyday on my work bike along harris road, ill be fucking mega pissed off if i fall off because it :argh: :angry2: i do keep well to the side of it, but it nearly covers the entire width of the road.....

[Angry Puppy]

At least the boy racers prize there cars and don't want to ding them

Tell that to Christopher Murdoc's family after he managed to rip his Mitsubuhi GTO in three whilst being chased by the police in Auckland at the weekend.

Fazer Bloke

[Motu]

I dunnno wkd - boy racers spend money on their cars sure - but only the look good sound good stuff,most haven't got a fucking clue of the mechanicals....they want the big shiny 17s with 45 aspect ratio tyres,they want it low,they want to sit low,they want a fancy paint job.They haven't the skills to handle a Toyota Starlet - a Mitsi GTO?,well we just seen how good a driver that guy wuz.I've driven these things - duh,no wonder they cruise the motorways at 80kph.

[Jackrat]

In a few of the recent postings, some of you guys have mentioned your feelings towards boy racers and bikers that give the majority of us a bad name.

I am personally of the opinion that the only way to clean up the streets is to make insurance legally mandatory. this will make street racing financially prohibitive to the little scrotes and get a lot of them off the roads.

How do we enforce it? in Ireland you have an insurance cert on your windscreen, if not, tow the bastards.

Like a lot of you, I hate insurance and insurance companies. especially the way the premiums manage to keep going up each year, even though you have yet more no claims bonus, but if it will help make the roads a little bit safer then go for it.


do you guys think?

Fazer Bloke.

Damn your gonn'a be OLD when you get old.
Would'a been a boy racer myself but I chose bikes instead.
I think it had something to do with being young an having fun.
You old farts are always on about things like this.
Damn how do you live with yourself.
Run along now you might miss Cor'o St. :lol:

[Coldkiwi]

Tell that to Christopher Murdoc's family after he managed to rip his Mitsubuhi GTO in three whilst being chased by the police in Auckland at the weekend.

Fazer Bloke
so thats what that red ex-car was on the news. He must've hit that pole helluva hard to rip the car up like that.

Compulsory insurance is good for a number of reasons but i don't think it'd be that effective against nuisance drivers. Enforcement is the issue now rather than legislation (after all, the police can just ask them to rev the engine to half way, proclaim its 'too loud for my liking son' and *bingo* thats the car off the road). Not that I'm advocating more HP officers, just a more sensible schedule of enforcement.

[Lou Girardin]

There are no lower limits in school zones in NZ, only the 20 km/h limit for school buses. Which no-one obeys anyway, not even cops. Try slowing for one, a sure way to get a Liberace.
Compulsory insurance is fine in theory, or even practice, but do you want to be at the mercy of insurance co's setting premiums that are half or more the purchase price of your bike, just because they can?
Lou

[wkid_one]

Tell that to Christopher Murdoc's family after he managed to rip his Mitsubuhi GTO in three whilst being chased by the police in Auckland at the weekend.

Fazer Bloke
Wot a 36 yo boy racer.....

[wkid_one]

Damn your gonn'a be OLD when you get old.
Would'a been a boy racer myself but I chose bikes instead.
I think it had something to do with being young an having fun.
You old farts are always on about things like this.
Damn how do you live with yourself.
Run along now you might miss Cor'o St. :lol:
EXACERY....

Who cares about boy racers really......shit it is harmless fun that guys have been doing for years.

[dangerous]

EXACERY....

Who cares about boy racers really......shit it is harmless fun that guys have been doing for years.

HARMLESS FUN.......get real man :brick: A friend of mine lost his little girl cos of a 'boy racer' doing a donut in diesel on a public rd, lost control, shot of at an angle accross a grass verge and into there car.

[pete376403]

Years ago the cars were flattie V8s, then Holdens, Anglias, Humber 80s, and so on. The cars teenagers used to hoon around in were for the most part noisy but slow.
Now any twat can buy a turbo rice rocket (anything more dangerous than a 323 turbo?), which are just as noisy as the old cars, but fast. And cheap. With the ever more stringent WOF regulations, keeping a car road legal becomes too expensive, so these cars are de-reged. But they're still f*ckin fast, even if they don't turn or stop. What to do? I dunno, maybe every unregistered car HAS to go to a wrecker unless the owner can give a good reason otherwise. Draconian, but some polly will have this idea and, i've noted they can get away with just about anything if it mentions "safety" somewhere in the title.

[wkid_one]

HARMLESS FUN.......get real man :brick: A friend of mine lost his little girl cos of a 'boy racer' doing a donut in diesel on a public rd, lost control, shot of at an angle accross a grass verge and into there car.I never said I condoned the illegal behaviour - just the concept of kids doing up cars - it would make more sense if a suitable outlet was provided for them.

There are always going to be bad apples in any bunch. I think you will find - many of the boy racers just like cars. As with bikes - you will always have the ones that take it too far. We all have horror stories about certain illegal activities. I know someone who was killed by a friend being an idiot on a bike....just an accident, I've been run over by a mum late for an appointment when I was walking home from school in standard 2.

PS - people have been doing donuts for years. One of my most vivid memories was my next door neighbour doing a 400m slow speed burnout the length of our road when I was 6.

[MacD]

At least the boy racers prize there cars and don't want to ding them

Really? The boy racer who drove through the Stop sign opposite my house at high speed, mounted the curb hard enough to dislodge basalt curbstones and smash his nice shiny mags, just miss the very large and solid tree on the corner of my section and a power-pole, and then skid another 20-30 m down the road really cared about not damaging his car!

The problem is this tosspot probably thought he was a "good driver" but in reality didn't have a clue, and probably still doesn't appreciate how close he came to being dead.

I really don't care if these people want to wipe themselves out in an industrial area, but keep the fuck out of suburban streets.

And yes, I did stupid things when i was young too, but it was in underpowered Minis and Escorts, not turbo Skylines!

[wkid_one]

But I bet he didn't 'want' to ding his car

[MacD]

You are assuming that he was thinking at all...

Actually thinking about your comment further, I have to disagree with you. This guy drove through a Stop sign at high speed from the side street of a T-intersection (actually its an offset X-intersection) where the only thing dead ahead is a large hedge, tree and powerpole. So he must have been wanting to "ding" his car as there is no other explanation for his actions...

...either that or he was just another idiot with no appreciation of his or the vehicles actual capabilities.... :angry2:

[dangerous]

I never said I condoned the illegal behaviour - just the concept of kids doing up cars - it would make more sense if a suitable outlet was provided for them.

There are always going to be bad apples in any bunch. I think you will find - many of the boy racers just like cars. As with bikes - you will always have the ones that take it too far. We all have horror stories about certain illegal activities. I know someone who was killed by a friend being an idiot on a bike....just an accident, I've been run over by a mum late for an appointment when I was walking home from school in standard 2.

PS - people have been doing donuts for years. One of my most vivid memories was my next door neighbour doing a 400m slow speed burnout the length of our road when I was 6.

'suitable outlet was provided for them' Yep but you answered your own question below.

'bad apples in any bunch' Yep and these idiots wouldent be able to aford the suitable outletand will still be in the public miss behaving.

'have been doing donuts for years' Wee hee Trimph Herald.... man thay could make some noise with there tiny cross ply tyres, and a bit later on a 3.3 Victor pure grunt bucket that but what a POS.

And now Wkid......dont go calling me a F that and F this just cos I fessed up about being bit of a lad in them there old days :msn-wink:

[wkid_one]

I only have issue with stupidity.....like 120 in a 50 zone

[MacD]

I only have issue with stupidity.....like 120 in a 50 zone

What about 300 in a 100 zone?

[dangerous]

What about 300 in a 100 zone?

my best is 270 in the Ozzie out back.....as for 300....yeh I wana crack that, but only on a organised airfield were the ambo will be waiting to take me away to the funny farm :confused2

[speedpro]

PS - people have been doing donuts for years. One of my most vivid memories was my next door neighbour doing a 400m slow speed burnout the length of our road when I was 6.
My boy is going to have similar memories. The neighbour got a pair of wheels for his Skyline on his birthday. About 9pm they were fitted and we all lined the deck while he smoked it up in the street. My 5yr old was super impressed and after the tyres blew and the car was tucked away for the night him and the rest of the kids were collecting old rubber from up the drive and off the car. Mum wasn't so impressed the next morning when she spotted the rubber still stuck to the bottom of his feet when he got out of bed.

The diesel those sad dicks put on the road is because of the piss-weak limited slip diffs most of the cars have. The viscous clutch at the heart of it typically isn't strong ehough to cause both wheels to spin so a little help is needed to get both of them going.

[spudchucka]

Check your road code - variable speed limits around schools ARE in force in NZ - 20kph around a school bus in NZ is the rule.

I agree that insurance should be mandatory if you drive on the road...HOWEVER - this won't prevent those who don't have it from driving - how many unwarranted and/or unregistered cars are on the road - and how many unlicensed drivers are driving?....

I honestly think however that there is very little wrong with Boy Racers. Fuck at the end of the day, my father can revel me for hours about the cars he has done up......what has changed? Nothing other than the cars are flasher, quicker and finance makes them more accessible.

Given the money they spend on their cars - I would rather come up against one of these than an unregistered driver who couldn't give a fuck about his car. At least the boy racers prize there cars and don't want to ding them
The difference is that there are boy racers who are actually "car enthusiasts" like the ones you describe. Then there are outright road criminals that hoon around in shit heaps thinking they are Michael Schumacher. The car enthusiasts have something to lose if they screw up where as the other type dosen't give a toss about consequences.

[spudchucka]

EXACERY....

Who cares about boy racers really......shit it is harmless fun that guys have been doing for years.
Yep, its all good fun until it goes pear shaped, but then I don't give a shit cos it wasn't my kid, my wife or me that got killed or maimed by some fuck wit that was just having fun in his car, right wkid??

[Jackrat]

Like Wikid said,Kids have been doing it for years,and as far as I'm concerned very few on this site have any right to be puting them down for it.
Same old shit different day,It will be some other shit tomorrow,what ever jerks the public string.Bikers slagging off others for going to fast.What a joke.
Most of my own nephews own done up cars and would be called boy racers by all you fuddy duddys,Thing is they are just young guys doing what we have always done.Seems to me a lot of you old folks just like to paint every one with the same brush.How the hell did most of you lot become bikers anyway.Oh thats right your different yeah??You only brake the law in a safe manner yeah??Bunch of OLD hipocrites whinging about the youth of today,Your no better than those that put bikers down,Seems like every kid with a car gets this boy racer label if he fucks up an parks it,Whats your next trendy word going to be.I know let's label all these sports bike riders with a trendy name,They must be a danger to civilisation as we know it,yeah I say ban the fuckers for their own good.I won't miss em' and the roads will be a safer place.
Ya' make me want to come an do a burn out on ya' front lawn. :sick:

[spudchucka]

Like Wikid said,Kids have been doing it for years,and as far as I'm concerned very few on this site have any right to be puting them down for it.
Same old shit different day,It will be some other shit tomorrow,what ever jerks the public string.Bikers slagging off others for going to fast.What a joke.
Most of my own nephews own done up cars and would be called boy racers by all you fuddy duddys,Thing is they are just young guys doing what we have always done.Seems to me a lot of you old folks just like to paint every one with the same brush.How the hell did most of you lot become bikers anyway.Oh thats right your different yeah??You only brake the law in a safe manner yeah??Bunch of OLD hipocrites whinging about the youth of today,Your no better than those that put bikers down,Seems like every kid with a car gets this boy racer label if he fucks up an parks it,Whats your next trendy word going to be.I know let's label all these sports bike riders with a trendy name,They must be a danger to civilisation as we know it,yeah I say ban the fuckers for their own good.I won't miss em' and the roads will be a safer place.
Ya' make me want to come an do a burn out on ya' front lawn. :sick:
It isn't the owning of the cars that people complain about, its the behaviour of the people driving them. Maybe many of us did the same thing in our Anglias, Escorts, Vauxhaulls etc but look at what the kids are driving now, more or less racing cars. The roads are pretty much the same as they were 20 years ago, theres a hell of a lot more traffic on the roads and residential areas are jam packed with houses full of people. The main difference is the ready availability of performence cars to young and inexperienced drivers with bad attitudes along with more heavily populated residential areas.

And the natural progression in attitudes will have todays "boy racers" whinging about the same shit when they are 30 something and have a young family because they won't want to see their kids as a hood ornament either.

By the way I started riding bikes at 15 because I couldn't afford a car.

[SPman]

It isn't the owning of the cars that people complain about, its the behaviour of the people driving them. Exactly the same as in my day, with the same proportion of dickheads and loose wheels as now!....two of my brothers mates killed, rolling a V8 Coupe into a power pole in Takapuna,...two more killed when they chopped their Mk 1 Zephyr into 3 bits on a power pole outside Murrays Bay Intermediate....they sure werent going 30 mph!
Exactly the same as 10 - 20 -30 -yrs ago. Hell I ve even read a report about citizens in Rome being outraged by the antics of young guys racing their chariots around the streets and scaring the citizens!
Its a young male thing and you cant stop it - only, perhaps, control it a little and that would only affect the responsible ones, not the wild cards!
We dont have wild animals roaming around now, so nature had to replace the lack of predators with something in this increasingly sanitized world we live in!.

And the natural progression in attitudes will have todays "boy racers" whinging about the same shit when they are 30 something and have a young family because they won't want to see their kids as a hood ornament either.
Yep!

[Motu]

It's been going on a long time alright,I'm sure the vikings had some unruly kids too.We were so damn bad in the 70s that they started to make rules to control us - that's when the graduated learner system came in as we were killing ourselves hand over fist on fast bikes.Then they tried to stop us riding together in groups - can't let these guys get together,bad things could happen.Then in the 90s they brought in regs to stop us modifying vehicles because some of them were just downright dangerous.

Perhaps what's happening now is akin to what was happening in the early 70s on bikes - too much power with no ability to control it,you young guys now can't go out at 15 and buy an R1 or Hayabusa,but back then we could - and it showed in the carnage.A young guy can now go out and buy himself a Mitsi GTO - and show us what he can do...

[Jackrat]

It isn't the owning of the cars that people complain about, its the behaviour of the people driving them. Maybe many of us did the same thing in our Anglias, Escorts, Vauxhaulls etc but look at what the kids are driving now, more or less racing cars. The roads are pretty much the same as they were 20 years ago, theres a hell of a lot more traffic on the roads and residential areas are jam packed with houses full of people. The main difference is the ready availability of performence cars to young and inexperienced drivers with bad attitudes along with more heavily populated residential areas.

And the natural progression in attitudes will have todays "boy racers" whinging about the same shit when they are 30 something and have a young family because they won't want to see their kids as a hood ornament either.

By the way I started riding bikes at 15 because I couldn't afford a car.
Yes, your perfectly correct but to constantly hear a group of bike riders,Probably the fastest and most irresponsible road users out there jumping on every band wagon that don't include themselfs, just gets a bit thin after a while.It's like these prats that reckon they don't speed in residentual areas but then choose to speed safly on the open road.All starts to sound a bit self serving after a while.I come to this site for info and entertainment,not to listen to a group of people that have the worse road user record in the country puting shit on others.

[spudchucka]

Yes, your perfectly correct but to constantly hear a group of bike riders,Probably the fastest and most irresponsible road users out there jumping on every band wagon that don't include themselfs, just gets a bit thin after a while.It's like these prats that reckon they don't speed in residentual areas but then choose to speed safly on the open road.All starts to sound a bit self serving after a while.I come to this site for info and entertainment,not to listen to a group of people that have the worse road user record in the country puting shit on others.

An idiot on the road is an idiot full stop, regardless of what you drive, bike / car, whatever.

I can't agree that bikers are the fastest and most irresponsible road users. Certainly the potential is there but if all bikers rode around behaving like some of the boy racers do there would be very few of us left, cos they would all be six foot under.

In my experience most long term bikers are responsible and aware as road users. This is because after spending any reasonable length of time riding bikes you become, by necessity, a very defensive driver. Its how you susrvive on the road. The idiots tend to sort themselves out through natural attrition.

The fact that these sort of topics continue to surface on this forum suggests that the members generally feel strongly about the issue.

[Jackrat]

Any topic that gives people a chance to have a go at others keeps poping up on this site,as you of all people should know seeing as how you have been the target more than once.Go to any car only site and you will see the same self serving comments,but it will be you/us they are talking about.The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.
I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year,the last one I went on had around thirty-forty riders all going hard out,I hope these arn't the responsible riders your talking about.Returning from a race meeting resently I was passed by half a dozen sports bike riders all doing 200+kms,I hope they arn't the responsible riders your talking about,My own club puts on the 1000mile challenge,Even tho' we plead with the riders taking part to keep the speeds down we still have grieff with the the law because some assholes can't listen or show respect to either the club or other road users.Last year we had a couple of hero's run from the law and get away with it,The club took shit over that,next year I WILL give them up on the spot plus ban them from ever taking part in one of our events ever again,hope their not your responsible riders.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.But then you already knew that aye.Iv'e personly known six riders that have died riding their bikes and untold others that have hurt themselfs badly,mostly single vehicule crashes.Every biker I know bar one has a dirty licence.Read this site and even the most sensible riders here talk about their last yarn with the law or are busy bitching about the last ticket they got.
I compear that with my own nephews,none of whom have had so much as a warning,yet they are suppossed to be boy racers, and it's them that I look to when ever this Boyracer subject comes up.Next to them a lot of the people on this site should hang their heads in shame,not point the finger.
And yeah it pisses me off no end that because they drive cars that they have done up they are labeled BOYRACER.
I also find it quite funny you say ALL bikers and then say SOME boyracers.
Being a bit selective there I'd say.Truth be known some bike riders do carry on like some boyracers.Just read this site, they brag about it .Donuts,wheel stands,stoppies,draging off fast cars,lane spiliting at speed,And then the same people point the finger at so called boyracers.Shit talk about two faced.Also the latest incident to have the boyracer tag hung off it,did not involve a kid.Rather a middle aged wanker in a fast car.
I don't belive for one second that most of the responce to this thread has been honest.Just people trying to pass the buck and feel good doing it.

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[spudchucka]

Any topic that gives people a chance to have a go at others keep poping up on this site,as you of all people should know.Go to any car only site and you will see the same self serving comments,but it will be you/us they are talking about.The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.
I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year and it's the riding of others that stops me from taking part in more.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.Iv'e personly known six riders that have died riding their bikes and untold others that have hurt themselfs badly,mostly single vehicule crashes.

people that live in class houses shouldn't throw stones.

The same group of guys I started riding with are still at it, no fatalities, no serious injuries. I won't ride with someone I don't know because I aren't familiar with their riding style and I don't participate in organised rides for the same reason.

I didn't join this forum to have a go at people but if I see what I believe to be BS I'll say so. I don't personally care if people ride bikes or drive cars or ride horses for that matter. What pisses me off about boy racers and idiots on bikes for that matter is that they place so much unnecessary risk on others through their behaviour. The fact is that there are a lot more idiots in cars than there are on bikes and they tend to piss more people off because there are more of them.

[Drunken Monkey]

Gotta agree with JackRat and Wkid here (again? I must be feeling ill)...

:doctor:

Seems like a bit of hypocritical feelings being misplaced around here. I don't beleive you anti-boy-racer types are model citizens on the road for a second. Instead of lowering ourselves to finger pointing, maybe we could work on improving ourselves in a more productive way?

Check your demographic and think about your rant before you post it - you may be winding up a lot more people here than you intend (I mean 'your/s' in the 'royal' sense)...There are plenty of KBers who like their cages too, and some of them like 'em with fat phat mags and BOVs...

[spudchucka]

I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year,the last one I went on had around thirty-forty riders all going hard out,I hope these arn't the responsible riders your talking about.Returning from a race meeting resently I was passed by half a dozen sports bike riders all doing 200+kms,I hope they arn't the responsible riders your talking about,My own club puts on the 1000mile challenge,Even tho' we plead with the riders taking part to keep the speeds down we still have grieff the the law because some assholes can't listen or show respect to either the club or other road users.Last year we had a couple of hero's run from the law and get away with it,The club took shit over that,next year I WILL give them up on the spot plus ban them from ever taking part in one of our events ever again,hope their not your responsible riders.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.But then you already knew that aye.

Thats not fair, editing your post while I was in the middle of replying.

No they aren't the responsible riders I was talking about. They are the dorks that make insuring a motorcycle next to impossible. They are the fools that tar all bikers with their same dirty brush. They are the idiots that I have mentioned in my previous posts regarding this issue. Why don't you just kick the little pricks out of your club and be more selective as to who joins and participates.

[Jackrat]

Thats not fair, editing your post while I was in the middle of replying.

No they aren't the responsible riders I was talking about. They are the dorks that make insuring a motorcycle next to impossible. They are the fools that tar all bikers with their same dirty brush. They are the idiots that I have mentioned in my previous posts regarding this issue. Why don't you just kick the little pricks out of your club and be more selective as to who joins and participates.

Hmmm' Sorry about that,I was trying to get a point across and not doing a very good job of it.I guess at the end of the day it just depends on which side of the fence you are looking from.I look at it from the side that has half a dozen young guys that don't muck up even if they do drive stupid looking cars.As far as the club goes,we do not put up with much but we can't vet every rider that signs up.A number of people have been banned from our rides in the past,Mainly for outstanding acts of stupidity.The only reason the last couple got away with it was because I never heard about it until way after the fact.The thing that pisses me off most is that none of the club members take part in the ride because we are all busy running the show,yet when somebody mucks up it is us that the law comes after.Not much we can do about that but it's still very annoying anyway.Some times I wonder if it's a very good idea wearing my club badge around Taupo-Turangi because there are a couple of very upset cops down that way that would probably like a chance to have a go at one of our members due to what was done last year.
I can just see me geting the book thrown at me because of what somebody else did.I know that the boyracer problem is out there but I see more stupid acts by bikers because I take more notice of them.All the others are just cars in general to me.I also am very selective of who I ride with and for much the same reasons as you,unfortunatly I seem to have known a lot of losers that would have been better off in a car.

[Angry Puppy]

Hmmmm some interesting points. Here's my reply to some of them (sorry I can't be bothered to do a quote for each of them);

- Coro' street? Man that hurts! :-)
- Yes Boy Racers is a gross generalisation, 'cause women and us 'old folks' can be boy racers too. I mean, just look at the Fast and the ludicrous. Vin aint no spring chicken! :laugh:
-Yes we were young once, and yes I too spent a small fortune doing up my first car (a '73 Beetle, lowered and restored California style)
-No, this generalisation isn't targeted at all young people, but here's some more generalisation for you - Young people are less likely to drink and drive than us old folks because they are more aware of how socialy unacceptable it is. Young people probably have better knowledge of the road code than old folks because they studied it more recently and they studied a more recent edition.
-Yes we have all done stupid things in our time. the ability to recognise and take responsibility for our actions comes with maturity, not age. some mature sooner than others.
-Yes the young do tend to take more risks as life's experiences have yet to teach them that thing called mortality.
-You come here for entertainment and information? we all do, it's just what we find entertaining that differs. can't beat a good debate/slanging match! :Pokey:

Cheers guys

Fazer Bloke

Feel the love!

[Angry Puppy]

Oh, and another thing, In the UK, when you pass your restricted test (as opposed to Direct Access AKA get to ride anything, you mad bastard!) you are limited to a certain BHP (i.e. you could ride a gixer1100, but you'd probably get imbarased by the first 250 that leaves you for dust), or whatever it is in decimal stuff. Why not do it with cars and bikes?

Fazer Bloke

[wkid_one]

The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.A grossly ill-informed dig here that I have to put straight - I have only given up road riding - BECAUSE I was pushing the limits too much and beyond safe road riding. I saw that, given the legal and safety issues (to myself and others) - I am far safer getting my jollies on a track.

Rather than because I 'didn't have the restraint to become good' - I choose to explore a more suitable outlet to get what I want out of biking. I am not happy with just tootling along and I don't feel that I could ride on the road with a clear conscience or get the enjoyment out of riding that I want.

Is this not the point of this thread in the first place - choose the appropriate medium in which to get what you want out of biking/driving .

Next summer season will see me on the track as some are already aware....

[wkid_one]

Like Wikid said,Kids have been doing it for years,and as far as I'm concerned very few on this site have any right to be puting them down for it.
Same old shit different day,It will be some other shit tomorrow,what ever jerks the public string.Bikers slagging off others for going to fast.What a joke.
Most of my own nephews own done up cars and would be called boy racers by all you fuddy duddys,Thing is they are just young guys doing what we have always done.Seems to me a lot of you old folks just like to paint every one with the same brush.How the hell did most of you lot become bikers anyway.Oh thats right your different yeah??You only brake the law in a safe manner yeah??Bunch of OLD hipocrites whinging about the youth of today,Your no better than those that put bikers down,Seems like every kid with a car gets this boy racer label if he fucks up an parks it,Whats your next trendy word going to be.I know let's label all these sports bike riders with a trendy name,They must be a danger to civilisation as we know it,yeah I say ban the fuckers for their own good.I won't miss em' and the roads will be a safer place.
Ya' make me want to come an do a burn out on ya' front lawn. :sick:
I agree 100% with this post.

I have done wheelies, stoppies, dragged my knee, done a burnout, done a handbrake turn, spun the car out, dragged another vehicle, ridden on the bonnet of a car etc etc - why the hell am I going to criticise boy racers because they haven't learnt the lessons that I have.

A would guess that as a demographic - as a proportion of the total riders out there, bikers have a higher percentage that break the law compared to any other driving group out there.

[White trash]

Boy racers seems to me to be a term used all to freely these days.

These are just young car enthusiasts doing what they've allways done. Technology now has moved on from when most of us were kids.

I remember my dad did up a '38 Chev with all the period shit and was labeled a hoon. I had a couple of hot Chargers and a Torana and was picked on consistantly by the 5-Oh.

It's more accessible for the young guys and girls today so there's a hell of a lot more of it. As a result there's also more idiots amongst them although the percentage hasn't changed.

I cruise out to their hangouts on the bike in the evenings to see whats new and my brother drifts an R32 Skyline quite well at the track.

I just wish the small percentage of dickheads amongst them would see that their actions are spoiling an otherwise harmless hobby. Hence the box of sparkplugs at the gate!

[SPman]

I just wish the small percentage of dickheads amongst them would see that their actions are spoiling an otherwise harmless hobby. Hence the box of sparkplugs at the gate!
As always...!

[Motu]

Also the guys who would be riding bikes are now doing the car bit instead,helps put the numbers up,takes the heat off bikes.

What are the sparkplugs for?....a mate of mine and his neighbour keep a small pile of rocks at their gates - when the boy racers do their bit they race outside at 3 o'clock yelling and screaming,throw rocks and attack the cars with 2x2s.I'ts real petty he knows,but he kinda enjoys it - specially when some kids jump out and say...hey,you can't do that you old farts!....oh yeah,watch this!

[White trash]

Also the guys who would be riding bikes are now doing the car bit instead,helps put the numbers up,takes the heat off bikes.

What are the sparkplugs for?....a mate of mine and his neighbour keep a small pile of rocks at their gates - when the boy racers do their bit they race outside at 3 o'clock yelling and screaming,throw rocks and attack the cars with 2x2s.I'ts real petty he knows,but he kinda enjoys it - specially when some kids jump out and say...hey,you can't do that you old farts!....oh yeah,watch this!

Chucking at cars. What else? They do more damage than rocks and if you're a good enough shot and get a window.........Holy shit!

Word to newbie spark plug chuckers, only shoot for the drivers side 'cause you don't want to hit an innocent passenger.

Of the 9 maybe 10 cars I've hit, not one of the chicken shit little pricks has stopped and had a go at me about it. :spudwhat:

[750Y]

"BOY RACER"
A convenient label, which becomes the vehicle for a raft of issues.
actually, the label, I find patronising and negatively stereotypical from a male perspective. much like the term 'adrenalin junkie' which is used by ignorant couch sitters to describe people who are brave enough to step outside their shortland street comfor zone and experience life & the reality of their own mortality.
it's just another case of finger pointing for the lazy.

[spudchucka]

Whats really shocking is not only (according to avgas) are the pursuit cars standard, but the penelties or should I say lack of for those caught. You will never completely stop all the runners. What NZ needs more than reviewing pursuit guidelines is cracking down and start to dish out HUGE penelties for fleeing or attempted fleeing. There also needs to be law changes that your car is registered to YOUR HOME address ONLY, unless it is a business vehicle. No postal boxes.

Given a choice of a paultry couple hundred fine or long jail time, loss of vehicle (crushed), driving liscene (min 1 year) most will choose not to run and take the small fine for the initial infraction.
Think about it. If attempt to flee and you're looking at a host of charges tacked on top of what the initial reason for the stop it may deter most of the runners. As a hypithetical example.

Lets say like this numbnuts in the GTO recently that killed himself, you're in an off limits area. You get pulled up on it. The maximum fine is say even $300. Ok on the flip side if you do a runner. Now the police would have had his plate so they would know who it is anyways. Not withstanding the other tickets you will be hit with for excessive speeds, failure to stop at stop signs, lights, changing lanes without signaling etc, you tack on the attempt flee and elude charge. Breaking it down with some realistic numbers that are used in the States as only examples.

Initial offense - $300
Atempt flee and elude - $3,000 + 1 year in jail, car crushed, loss of licsene min 1 year.
Speeding over 160kmh - $2,000 + upto 6months in jail, loss of lisc upto 1 year, car crushed.
Reckless endangerment - (same as above with passenger, or 100kmh over the posted limit) - $2,000 + upto 1 year jail, loss of lisc upto 5 years, car crushed.
5 counts of failure to stop at a signal - $250 fine per offense
Unsave change of lanes (10 off) - $150 per offense

Add those up for one attemptted fleeing offense as they would be combined. I think I would rather take the initial offense thank you.

The police are trying to do thier jobs. I personally see no reason that they should have to abandon unless the situation really warrents it, backing off maybe to lul the guy into a false sense of security and picking him/her up later in the persuit may be an option. Giving up isn't.

On the NZ pursuit or Hiway patrol cars, there is no excuse why these cars are or should be standard. They should be anythng but that! I do remember reading or hearing (maybe on the News) the cost of one of these cars. Honestly Holden or Ford should be donig special deals just so their cars are used. It dumbfounds me when I hear these things it really does. Avgas raises a very disturbing comment in the lack of viable driving or pursuit skills. If it is really that bad then the NZ government and police training schools seriously need to address this. In is current form as discribed by Avgas then in all honesty the police shouldn't even be allowed to drive a patrol cat let alone partake in any form of pursuit.

Sorry about the long quote but after reading through this thread i decided to go to a performance car forum to see what they are saying on the issue.

The above post is located at this URL: http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26383

I find it interesting that the very people who drive performance cars, (ie: Car Enthusiats) also hate "boy racers" and people that do the runner from the cops, no doubt because they hate the stigma taht rubs off on them.

This leads me to conclude that a boy racer is someone who participates in anti social & dangerous driving behaviour, not necessarily someone who drives a performance car or motorcycle.

The key point is that it is the behaviour that is frowned upon, not the means or method used to participate in that behaviour.

[Motu]

I was hoping someone would go to that much effort Spudchuka,too lazy myself...and that's what I expected to find too.

White trash - my mate says they usualy take off as he comes flying out the door - one time they had a go at him and he pushed the little prick over...''hey,you can't do that to me old man!'' so he did it again and they went away.If they went half a km up the road it would be no problem,but no,his house is close to the surfclub,they need to be seen,y'know.

[White trash]

Great to see vigilantes are alive and kicking everywhere!

I'll buy your mate a beer should I ever get the chance. (I don't think I'll drop a burnout outside his house though!) :whistle:

[Motu]

Hey,he's no angel y'know...he'd love to see a tyre popping burnout - when he's awake!

[mangell6]

Question: If the Government makes the law, the Police catch those that break the law, who is it that assigns the penalties????

[Jackrat]

Time for another go.
During the seventys if you rode a british bike the cops around my area treated you like shit.This was due to the actions of the angels,61, and other such shitheads that were very active at the time.
Now the lastest group to cop the same bullshit for the same reasons and from the same people,are so called boy racers.Nothing much changes does it.
What is it about NZ that the press label some small group of assholes and as a result a whole section of society gets shit on by the rest.You lot want to be very carefull that you arn't next on the list.
I can see large sports bikes being nailed for what they are, an then it's your turn.You lot that talk about the cars available to young guys should take a long slow look at yourselfs,The same thing could be said about you and it would be true.Try telling joe blogs who has been brain washed by our press and police machine that you have a need for a 100+hp bike and see how far you get.Think about that next time you pop a wheel stand on a public road.
You may think it is harmlesss and nobody but you gets hurt if it goes wrong.
But remember the thing that seems to piss joe average off more than anything is burnouts an handbrakes were nobody gets hurt but somebody just don't like the noise or the smoke.Bikers today that ride sports bikes in the way they were designed on public roads are no more my type of people than those gang shits were in the seventys.But I know from past expereince that I will get painted with the brush they have helped prepare for me.Our cops simply arn't smart enough to tell the difference
I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.

[Motu]

Us dirt bikers are a good example of a group that shit in it's own nest - and I was one of them.... if anyone from Auckland goes for a walk on Mt Richmond they will be able to see what my brother and I,along with others did - we made MX tracks,rode in and out of kumara pits,up the crater walls and fortifications,the scars are still there today,and will be forever.We rode on any bit of vacant land,noisey 2 strokes - we were having fun and never even gave a thought to what we were doing or who we pissed off.It's a world wide thing - but we have less areas to ride as a result.Hindsight is a wonderfull thing - but we really had no idea back then,we were breaking new teritory - boy racers and as Jack says,sports bike riders can use our example to look ahead at cause and effect.

[wkid_one]

Time for another go.
During the seventys if you rode a british bike the cops around my area treated you like shit.This was due to the actions of the angels,61, and other such shitheads that were very active at the time.
Now the lastest group to cop the same bullshit for the same reasons and from the same people,are so called boy racers.Nothing much changes does it.
What is it about NZ that the press label some small group of assholes and as a result a whole section of society gets shit on by the rest.You lot want to be very carefull that you arn't next on the list.
I can see large sports bikes being nailed for what they are, an then it's your turn.You lot that talk about the cars available to young guys should take a long slow look at yourselfs,The same thing could be said about you and it would be true.Try telling joe blogs who has been brain washed by our press and police machine that you have a need for a 100+hp bike and see how far you get.Think about that next time you pop a wheel stand on a public road.
You may think it is harmlesss and nobody but you gets hurt if it goes wrong.
But remember the thing that seems to piss joe average off more than anything is burnouts an handbrakes were nobody gets hurt but somebody just don't like the noise or the smoke.Bikers today that ride sports bikes in the way they were designed on public roads are no more my type of people than those gang shits were in the seventys.But I know from past expereince that I will get painted with the brush they have helped prepare for me.Our cops simply arn't smart enough to tell the difference
I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.
Once again I agree. This is my point in the 200kph thread - many riders are just boy racers on 2 wheels. They chose the thrill of bikes versus cars. Also - many rider HAVE BEEN boy racers - just choosing a diff outlet now.

I won't disparage boy racers as I have been there - by definition. I owned a late model 4WD Turbo that I did up. I dragged it (on a track tho) and I took it to the track. I found secluded gravel roads to 'rally it on'........

Just remember - for all the stereotypical crap you spout about boy racers - are you living in the stereotypical bike rider image?

[White trash]

I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.

Sorry, I can't agree with this at all, Jackrat.

The difference is this. Most of the Sportsbike riders are getting up to hyjinks well away from the public eye. I spent Sunday afternoon on a GSX-R600K4 riding back and forth on the same 2kms of road getting my knee down for a photographer. Beautifull afternoon at a local lookout at the top of a scenic hill road.

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard. Then some more.

Funnily enough (and to my surprise) no one was looking at the spectacular view. About 20 people (over half of them not on motorcycles) were having a ball just watching a guy on a sportsbike doing what guys on sportsbikes do. I did about five more runs than we needed just so all the cage drivers could get shots.

Now at 2am in the morning from my wife house, I can hear noisey fucken exhausts, wank off valves and squealing tyres as yet again a bunch of small penised youths race each other through suburban streets. Sure it's the middle of the night so the chances of hitting kids are minimal, but I like to sleep and apparently so does the rest of Wellington. I'd feel exactly the same if it was guys on bikes doing it, but it aint.

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.

[Rocket]

heh i had a mint 79 LH torana with a 350 chev in it when i was 19, it had the works. was low as your grannies titties and sitting on nice 15inch 245 tyres on the read. thast bitch squatted so low and laid the biggst turd when i floored it every fucking 323 would be clearing the motorway for my ass. i reckon the only thing that saved me was that i couldnt even afford to drive it from auckland city to the bombay hills. that drop tank cost me about 130 bucks to fill up. god dam was it fun, soon as i am able to afford i am buying myself another street machine, but one that is like show condition. maybe a HK monaro of some time with a fresh 350 wid maybe just a few fat carbbies blastin a whole in the bonnet. and nice 4 thousand dollar bare metal 2 pot paint paint job with maybe just 6 coats of clear coat paint. Shine that sucker up nice and good. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Jackrat]

Sorry, I can't agree with this at all, Jackrat.

The difference is this. Most of the Sportsbike riders are getting up to hyjinks well away from the public eye. I spent Sunday afternoon on a GSX-R600K4 riding back and forth on the same 2kms of road getting my knee down for a photographer. Beautifull afternoon at a local lookout at the top of a scenic hill road.

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard. Then some more.

Funnily enough (and to my surprise) no one was looking at the spectacular view. About 20 people (over half of them not on motorcycles) were having a ball just watching a guy on a sportsbike doing what guys on sportsbikes do. I did about five more runs than we needed just so all the cage drivers could get shots.

Now at 2am in the morning from my wife house, I can hear noisey fucken exhausts, wank off valves and squealing tyres as yet again a bunch of small penised youths race each other through suburban streets. Sure it's the middle of the night so the chances of hitting kids are minimal, but I like to sleep and apparently so does the rest of Wellington. I'd feel exactly the same if it was guys on bikes doing it, but it aint.

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.

Well the other three replys caught on to what I was about.
The same basic thing could be said about a lot of peoples past times but there will always be people like yourself that hide behind the IT WAS NOT ME method of reasoning,and ignore the issue because it is to close to home.Most of that yarn was just TIG to try to get a point across.
Your statement that ANY motocyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids is a pretty clear indercation to me that you probably live on a different planet to me And don't read some of the shit posted on this site.I have never been passed by any boy racer at 200+kms but living close to puke' means I have it happen on a regular basis by SB riders.You can bet your ass the six sport bike riders that passed me at 200+kms on the way back from puke' a few weeks ago were noticed by far less understanding people than me.The main road between Puke' and Papakura is certainly not out of the public eye, it is right in it and yes we are looking,I hope they wasn't your idea of nouse.Or the fuck wit I see reguarly poping wheel stands on his R1 up the NW motoway.That also is not out of the public eye.The dick head on the Triumph who killed the girl up at Whangarei lived about two kms up the road from me,We used to have to put up with him and his sports bike riding mates howling up our road every bloody day,You want to tell me all about his nouse.
I hope not because he painted all of us with a pretty shitty brush didn't he?Or what about the two sports bike riding bastards that bought the coppers down on my club last year.Are they also your idea of nouse.Of course not aye,All of those guys are just a few dick heads out of a large group of top of the line people but they have the potentual to fuck it for all of us if we are treated in the same way as boyracers.
Like I said,It's not nice when it's our turn is it?
Next week I will start on URBAN(like the way I covered my own ass there?)4X4 Drivers.
Now try reading between the lines with both eyes open. :shifty:

[Jackrat]

heh i had a mint 79 LH torana with a 350 chev in it when i was 19, it had the works. was low as your grannies titties and sitting on nice 15inch 245 tyres on the read. thast bitch squatted so low and laid the biggst turd when i floored it every fucking 323 would be clearing the motorway for my ass. i reckon the only thing that saved me was that i couldnt even afford to drive it from auckland city to the bombay hills. that drop tank cost me about 130 bucks to fill up. god dam was it fun, soon as i am able to afford i am buying myself another street machine, but one that is like show condition. maybe a HK monaro of some time with a fresh 350 wid maybe just a few fat carbbies blastin a whole in the bonnet. and nice 4 thousand dollar bare metal 2 pot paint paint job with maybe just 6 coats of clear coat paint. Shine that sucker up nice and good. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Val chargers eat GM for brekky,RT Rules :Punk:

[wkid_one]

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.I agree in part with this comment. I too, when looking for jollies, looked for the most secluded, barren section of road I could find.

HOWEVER - with motorcyclists it is not only about other peoples safety tho is it? It is more a selfish desire to protect yourself (from accident and the law).

I see exactly what JR is saying - bikers are most likely in fact worse than boy racers. Bikes serve a very narrow purpose as opposed to cars. As a segment of the population - we as riders are more likely to incur more 'infringements' against the law than car drivers.

Unfortunately - things like car stereos, blow off valves (don't get me started on these - as 99% of the boy racers who use them are wasting half of their use by not re-porting them to keep the turbo spinning and reducing lag - whereas by releasing all the air to the atmosphere, yes you get a nice whoosing noise - but create more lag then ever in the turbo) - aren't illegal (yet).

What about after market pipes on bikes??? My Scorpians on the VTR hurt peoples ears when I opened the throttle and they were riding beside me. I felt guilty riding my bike home at 10pm at night or idling it in the morning to warm in up......how does this differ from loud cars?

I think you will find in the eyes of the public we aren't as a group placed in an overly different 'pool' than boy racers. We suffer exactly the same stereotypes. How many people look at bike riders and mutter 'temporary citizen'.

[wkid_one]

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard.
I feel sorry for them - was it Thalylamide?

[riffer]

Val chargers eat GM for brekky,RT Rules :Punk:

Mmmmmmm. As a teenager I always wanted an E49. Had to make do with a noisy 318.

[wkid_one]

I still want a Charger.....I want to do the NZ Targa 2005 in one.....either that or a replica Cobra

[Motoracer]

You see, our numbers are quite minute so there are only a small number of people who get ticked off by bikes. Where as with the boyracers, everyone from 5-85 year old knows about them. So they are the primary target. The general public hardly knows what bikers are all about and what they do.

[Jackrat]

You see, our numbers are quite minute so there are only a small number of people who get ticked off by bikes. Where as with the boyracers, everyone from 5-85 year old knows about them. So they are the primary target. The general public hardly knows what bikers are all about and what they do.

You reckon,The guy on that Triumph was well known by every body that lives on my road.Try about 300 households.The other 7000 people that live in Waiuku weren't to impressed either.
Sorry to have to point this out to you but most of the nonbike riding public don't like us very much at all.The boy racers are just the flavour of the month.See what happens when some ladder climbing polly' has a go at us.Most of your general public will jump on the band wagon just like they do with boyracers.
If NZ is known for any thing it is our sheep.

[Motu]

Val chargers eat GM for brekky,RT Rules :Punk:

Boy racers eh....you should see a friend of mines Charger - 265 hemi that puts out over 500hp and 450 ftlb of torque (I've seen the dyno printout) this thing is ultra quick (I've driven it) and would put many modern supercars to shame,in fact one of the British Touring Car drivers drove it a few years ago and said it wouldn't be shamed in any company.It was built to do Auckland/Wellington in the 5hr bracket and has a huge tank to get there without too many stops.

This ''boy'' is now in his 70s.

[Coldkiwi]

You reckon,The guy on that Triumph was well known by every body that lives on my road.Try about 300 households.The other 7000 people that live in Waiuku weren't to impressed either.
Sorry to have to point this out to you but most of the nonbike riding public don't like us very much at all.The boy racers are just the flavour of the month.See what happens when some ladder climbing polly' has a go at us.Most of your general public will jump on the band wagon just like they do with boyracers.
If NZ is known for any thing it is our sheep.

what a miracle. Jackrat posted a concise and easy to read post! <_<

Sure, there's always local loons but motoracer is talking about generally. I would have to agree (although as with most of the talk on this thread, its just conjecture with absolutely zero evidence).

If the general public starts getting annoyed enmass about bikers tearing up the streets, i suggest we bikers get annoyed enmass about the general public tearing up bikers that they just couldn't see coming when they pulled out of the side street.

[Jackrat]

Boy racers eh....you should see a friend of mines Charger - 265 hemi that puts out over 500hp and 450 ftlb of torque (I've seen the dyno printout) this thing is ultra quick (I've driven it) and would put many modern supercars to shame,in fact one of the British Touring Car drivers drove it a few years ago and said it wouldn't be shamed in any company.It was built to do Auckland/Wellington in the 5hr bracket and has a huge tank to get there without too many stops.

This ''boy'' is now in his 70s.

Don't know if it is still correct but the 265 was for years the fastest standard production car in the world over the standing 1/4.
My one was pretty good but it didn't go round corners that good,Well not with me behind the wheel that is. :o
I sold it to my ma' inlaw,She had it repaired an drove it like a nutter for ten years then sold it for twice what I paid for it.
Now I want it back but don't have that sort of cash :doh:

[White trash]

Well the other three replys caught on to what I was about.
The same basic thing could be said about a lot of peoples past times but there will always be people like yourself that hide behind the IT WAS NOT ME method of reasoning,and ignore the issue because it is to close to home.Most of that yarn was just TIG to try to get a point across.
Your statement that ANY motocyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids is a pretty clear indercation to me that you probably live on a different planet to me And don't read some of the shit posted on this site.I have never been passed by any boy racer at 200+kms but living close to puke' means I have it happen on a regular basis by SB riders.You can bet your ass the six sport bike riders that passed me at 200+kms on the way back from puke' a few weeks ago were noticed by far less understanding people than me.The main road between Puke' and Papakura is certainly not out of the public eye, it is right in it and yes we are looking,I hope they wasn't your idea of nouse.Or the fuck wit I see reguarly poping wheel stands on his R1 up the NW motoway.That also is not out of the public eye.The dick head on the Triumph who killed the girl up at Whangarei lived about two kms up the road from me,We used to have to put up with him and his sports bike riding mates howling up our road every bloody day,You want to tell me all about his nouse.
I hope not because he painted all of us with a pretty shitty brush didn't he?Or what about the two sports bike riding bastards that bought the coppers down on my club last year.Are they also your idea of nouse.Of course not aye,All of those guys are just a few dick heads out of a large group of top of the line people but they have the potentual to fuck it for all of us if we are treated in the same way as boyracers.
Like I said,It's not nice when it's our turn is it?
Next week I will start on URBAN(like the way I covered my own ass there?)4X4 Drivers.
Now try reading between the lines with both eyes open. :shifty:

So what's the answer, Jack?

We all sell our plastic fantastic crotch rockets and buy 650 Specials? Somehow I dont think so. How about Mr Excutive with the 300kw Monaro who drives pretty bloody quickly. Is he labeled a "Boy racer"? Is he contributing to their tighter police attention?

Or the filthy rich bloke with two Lambo's, a porsche and an AMG Mercedes. Is he doing Boy racers any harm even though he drives like a dick?

I don't think you can hold me responsible for a loss of motorcyclists rights, simply because I ride a SB and ride it quickly but (mostly) safely.

We all get different pleasure from different things and there's no way I'd bag the XS650 Club because they don't ride like me. Far from it, we're all on two wheels (sometimes one) so we're all in this country together.

I'd like to continue this discussion over a beer as I really should be working, when you next down this way?

Oh yeah. It's Mopar, or no car. Had an R/T Charger, the best fucking thing on four wheels. I sure wish they'd put power assisted brakes in the bastards though! Christ it was hard to stop! :2thumbsup

[Jackrat]

So what's the answer, Jack?

We all sell our plastic fantastic crotch rockets and buy 650 Specials? Somehow I dont think so. How about Mr Excutive with the 300kw Monaro who drives pretty bloody quickly. Is he labeled a "Boy racer"? Is he contributing to their tighter police attention?

Or the filthy rich bloke with two Lambo's, a porsche and an AMG Mercedes. Is he doing Boy racers any harm even though he drives like a dick?

I don't think you can hold me responsible for a loss of motorcyclists rights, simply because I ride a SB and ride it quickly but (mostly) safely.

We all get different pleasure from different things and there's no way I'd bag the XS650 Club because they don't ride like me. Far from it, we're all on two wheels (sometimes one) so we're all in this country together.

I'd like to continue this discussion over a beer as I really should be working, when you next down this way?

Oh yeah. It's Mopar, or no car. Had an R/T Charger, the best fucking thing on four wheels. I sure wish they'd put power assisted brakes in the bastards though! Christ it was hard to stop! :2thumbsup

Remember the TIC thing.
I use sports bikes simply as an example,nothing more in it.
If you want to be serious,there is no easy answer.
There is no one group of motorists that are perfect,but nailing the one that stands out as most different achives nothing.
Bikers as a group have always had to live with that kind of thing so it is just disapointing to see so many of us jumping on the same band wagon.
I guess i just exspected more.

[White trash]

I, like yourself I understand, have absolutely no time for the small percentage that brings any group into disrepute.

I'd just hate to think that because I ride a sports machine, I'm labelled a wanker and it's my fault the "man" is coming down hard on us.

As you stated earlier, it's little wonder most cruiser riders hate SB riders when they're trying to show how big their peckers are by buzzing you at silly speeds. That shit's not on.

I ride with the HOG club once a month and they enjoy a laugh if I ever turn up on the Suzuki and pop a few wheelies for them.

That offer for a beer still stands and I'm glad I finally got my low powered brain to understand your way of thinking.

Sorry, I thought you were having a go at me. :no:

[bungbung]

pfffft.. whats happening to you all?

WT understands JR, and agrees with him.

others agree with JR and Wkid (on several occasions!)

the internet is a strange place :Pokey:

[White trash]

I'm just worried about passing him on one wheel while he's carrying a brick! :laugh:

Me no sirry!

[spudchucka]

Question: If the Government makes the law, the Police catch those that break the law, who is it that assigns the penalties????
That would be the NZ Court / Justice system.

[sAsLEX]

crush the ceramic(white part) of a spark plug, this powder will smash windscreens if thrown at them!!

[k14]

I think all this boils down to is the minority spoiling it for the minority. But this is what always happens, the minority that acts badly is what everyone takes as their steriotype, and there is no way back from there. Just the way it is, sucks i know.

[FROSTY]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives :devil2:

[Jackrat]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives :devil2:

That might work but then If you had seen the stuff I got up to in My old 100E
Prefect you may think otherwise to,Have ya' ever had an Austin 8 on two wheels.
That was fun til it went wrong. :Oops:

[moko]

Fairly new thing in the U.k. is that for less serious but still endorsable offences you get a choice.You either take the fine and get points on your licence(similar to your demerits,drivers with less than 2 years experience get less points allowed before they`re banned)or you get to go on a safety education course and keep a clean licence.These aren`t a soft option,they take 3 days and the offender pays £180 (about $500).If you dont turn up or the trainer thinks you`re not paying attention,taking the piss or similar then you go to court anyway.A mate of mine did one and loved it,said he learned loads and had some driving habits pointed out that he hadn`t realised he was doing.Why would anyone pay 3 times the fine?Well we have compulsory insurance,it`s bloody expensive and if you get convictions it can go through the roof,my insurance,nearly 30 years riding experience,no claims in 20-odd years for an old fart on a 600 Fazer is $700,40 year-old mate of mine on a 900 Hornet pays 3 times that,and as a newish rider that`s considered a really good deal.

[Two Smoker]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives :devil2:
While i agree with the principle, it is hard to start it, ie alot of people's cars are around the 2-3 litre size, expecially since the majority of learner drivers will be using their parents cars with their parents in the car with them, i definately think that turbos need to be restricted, i mean my mate has a 1.3 litre Dihatsu Charade, which is turboed and does 12 second 1/4s.... i think the Licence Restrictions need to be based on whether it is a turbo or not, and whether it has a engine above 3 litres......

Although i just read that the Peugeot 206 GTi 180 does 0-100 in the 6 second bracket....So it becomes even harder to police......

[magnum]

just my opinion but boys will be boys,you will never stop boy racers.the powers that be need to encourage these kids to do these things in a controlled enviroment ie drags or disused parking lots.also education of what can happen ie showing kids the wrecks from when things went wrong also teaching then how to control skids in the wet etc.i purposely will not ride fast in town as you get a bad name,theres no need to and to many things can go wrong.the open road is a different story but is a lot safer. :kick:

[DEATH_INC.]

Hmmm,maybe they should be left aalone when in deserted industrial areas at night rather than being chased out onto residential streets...... :brick:

[Two Smoker]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....

[spudchucka]

Plenty of "boy racer" groups have petitioned local bodies and businesses for funding to set up facilities to do their skids, drags etc. Generally they aren't interested in getting involved. The main reasons being that these groups don't want to be seen to support "boy racer" behaviour and the safety / OSH complications. If someone bins it and kills or injures themselves or their mates then the group that runs the facility could be held liable, (especially if it is operating as a business). The cost of running such a thing would skyrocket as they would have to supply untold marshalls to protect the idiots from their own stupidity.

[Kickaha]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....


It won't make any difference,half the attraction is doing something illegal.

Christchurch has a dragstip on its outskirts and still has the same problems,they put in a burnout pad to give them a place to go and organised days and times,hasn't made any difference.

[wkid_one]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....
I think this would be a gr8 money making scheme myself. The only problem is the OSH and ACC issues that you face by running a strip - presumably - you could just have them all sign a waiver that it is at their risk and cost and be done with it.

[Jackrat]

We've always had drag strips open to the public.
Mere mere is doing this type of thing now,and it has no effect on the few who simply don't give a damn.It will always be these few that stuff it for the majority.I personaly think recidivist offenders should be banned from driving or riding for life.Three strikes and your out.There is a thing called public transport and those that can't follow the rules should be confined to it.If that cramps a few styles,big deal.Maybe after a few years they could be given another chance and if they still cock it up,Stuff em' end of game.
The courts should have no say in the matter,on the third conviction the sentence is automatic with no grounds for appeal.The real problems on our roads could be solved eazy as but we need polly's with balls to make it happen.That being said, it will never happen.
Fire away!!!

[spudchucka]

We've always had drag strips open to the public.
Mere mere is doing this type of thing now,and it has no effect on the few who simply don't give a damn.It will always be these few that stuff it for the majority.I personaly think recidivist offenders should be banned from driving or riding for life.Three strikes and your out.There is a thing called public transport and those that can't follow the rules should be confined to it.If that cramps a few styles,big deal.Maybe after a few years they could be given another chance and if they still cock it up,Stuff em' end of game.
The courts should have no say in the matter,on the third conviction the sentence is automatic with no grounds for appeal.The real problems on our roads could be solved eazy as but we need polly's with balls to make it happen.That being said, it will never happen.
Fire away!!!

Recidivists do get "indefinate" disqualifications now but after five years or so they go along and say what good boys they have been and take in their driver training certificate. Then they are presumed to have been rehabilitated and they are given a licence again. Then they just start over again and get disqualified for the same crap that got them in the shit in the first place. :brick:

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, let's do away with the courts. After all, if you're not guilty this time, you would been guilty some other time.
Lou

[Jackrat]

Yeah, let's do away with the courts. After all, if you're not guilty this time, you would been guilty some other time.
Lou
Set sentences for recidivit offenders I would fully support but doing away with the court system is plan stupid.Being fully aware of your chip on the shoulder I can't say I'm suprised to hear such a stupid comment.

[DEATH_INC.]

Yeah,meremere is there,miles from auckland and only friday night,not to mention the southern is usually heavily patrolled to coincide,but the main prob is most of these guys couldn't/wouldn't get through scrutineering......
I still maintain if you leave them alone in some out of the way place it'll save a lot of greif for the locals along te-irirangi ect and save the cops a lot of hassles/money.There always has been and always will be 'boy racers',a bit of common sense needs to be excercised and it won't be any more of a problem than it's been for the last 50 or so years....

[Coldkiwi]

.Being fully aware of your chip on the shoulder I can't say I'm suprised to hear such a stupid comment.

now maybe i'm just getting thick and stupid in my not-so-old age, but doesn't Lou firmly have this comment in the 'sarcasm' basket?

[Jackrat]

now maybe i'm just getting thick and stupid in my not-so-old age, but doesn't Lou firmly have this comment in the 'sarcasm' basket?
Well if you can spot one form of sarcasim you should be able spot two. :)

[spudchucka]

Yeah, let's do away with the courts. After all, if you're not guilty this time, you would been guilty some other time.
Lou
Once again heres a comment taken out of context and twisted to satisfy someone elses dellusions.

[Coldkiwi]

Well if you can spot one form of sarcasim you should be able spot two. :)

I'll do my best to let you know if I see another one :niceone:

[Lou Girardin]

The courts should have no say in the matter,on the third conviction the sentence is automatic with no grounds for appeal.!!

I'm sorry Spud, is this the context to which you refer?
Lou

[spudchucka]

I'm sorry Spud, is this the context to which you refer?
Lou

Yes. Because he said on the third conviction, obviously he has been found guilty by a Court. What he is suggesting is that the penalty should be legislated as a minimum that can be imposed, thereby taking the soft option away from the presiding Judge.

You take it as meaning the offender has been convicted on the roadside and not been found guilty by a Court, thereby feeding your obsession.

[scumdog]

It won't make any difference,half the attraction is doing something illegal.

Christchurch has a dragstip on its outskirts and still has the same problems,they put in a burnout pad to give them a place to go and organised days and times,hasn't made any difference.

I agree, the seriuos racers would drive to the strip, even if it was 200km away, unfortunately the other wankers would only race in town, half a block at a time, no balls to REALLY give it a go on the strip.(and see how their "quick" car only does mid 15sec. or slower in most cases.

If they aren't doing that they are turning rubber into smoke, mostly in cars that gutless they have to tip diesel or waste oil onto the road to get the tyres spinning - or worse, they have to ride the brakes to skid the tyres!!! pussies!! I reckon if you haven't enough snot to spin the Dunlops just by nailing the throttle you shouldn't be doing it :mad:

[Lou Girardin]

I won't get into a drawn out debate again Spud, except to say; read Jackrats post sloowly. Even the US's three strikes policy requires a third conviction by a COURT.
Lou

[DEATH_INC.]

I agree, the seriuos racers would drive to the strip, even if it was 200km away, unfortunately the other wankers would only race in town, half a block at a time, no balls to REALLY give it a go on the strip.(and see how their "quick" car only does mid 15sec. or slower in most cases.

If they aren't doing that they are turning rubber into smoke, mostly in cars that gutless they have to tip diesel or waste oil onto the road to get the tyres spinning - or worse, they have to ride the brakes to skid the tyres!!! pussies!! I reckon if you haven't enough snot to spin the Dunlops just by nailing the throttle you shouldn't be doing it :mad:

YES! But this is the problem......you still need something to satisfy these guys with their P.O.S. cars too,and that's why you'll never get them to organised events like the dragwars.....
They will still be out there no matter what you do(how many of us still do wheelies ect,even though we risk loss of licence,confiscation of our babies and even jail....).....the best thing to do is keep them out of the general public's face and leave them to it.....

[spudchucka]

I won't get into a drawn out debate again Spud, except to say; read Jackrats post sloowly. Even the US's three strikes policy requires a third conviction by a COURT.
Lou
So what is your comment motivated by other than to spark another drawn out debate?