06 r6 vs 06 gsxr600

[Cajun]

Both run in on same dyno and dyno runs done on same dyno, both stock standard.


the suzuki stomps away from the r6 by loosk of this

[Postie]

Both run in on same dyno and dyno runs done on same dyno, both stock standard.


the suzuki stomps away from the r6 by loosk of this

the numbers speak for them selfs, and the Suzuki looks better

[sAsLEX]

can you post your source?!? as the r6 should redline at 16200 but the graphs are falling a fair way short of this

[bugjuice]

yeah, yama can't rev that hard. They BS their numbers..

do we just take for granted that the higher lines are the Gixer? Or is there a legend around?

[SimJen]

As power is dropping off at 14krpm+ then I doubt seeing it go to redline is going to change anything.
The results speak for themselves, when dynoing you won't always take the bike to redline just until the power starts to dip, which it does in the above dyno runs.
A dyno can be made to read anything though, so would like to see a few more runs on different days etc.

[Cajun]

my source

these runs where down in 5th gear on both bikes
Both bike hit limiter at @15,500-15,800 rpm

the r6 revs to 17,000rpm but they say there is a calbration issue and its only a 16,000rpm instead


http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?t=72384

[Shaun]

can you post your source?!? as the r6 should redline at 16200 but the graphs are falling a fair way short of this

The same Dyno grahs are on about 6 USA web sites, next to Yamaha's offer to buy back there bike that advertised with a false rev seeling limit:nya:

[k14]

gee certainly makes a mockery of the r6. wonder how much an aftermarket system would smooth out the r6's power delivery. it looks all over the place whereas the gixer is smooth as. hard to know how much is to pass noise/emission regulations and how much is just due to the suzy being a better engine.

[sAsLEX]

ok people before flaming maybe note that I put up 16200, which is what the reports from the Merkin sites say is the revlimeter on the 06r6, not the 17500 falacy that yamaha bleated on about! this is also the rev limit that Yamah says its bike can actually do in its buy back letter issued in teh states blaming a 9% error in the Tacho, when the ECU and they knew full well the whole time exactly what revs the bike could do!

[RantyDave]

the suzuki stomps away from the r6 by loosk of this
More amazing are the big holes in torque off the R6. Damn!

Dave

[enigma51]

Now lets see pay 17500 for a R6 or pay +/-16000 (Judging by pre sale stories) guess what im buying!

[bugjuice]

a 636 for $15,500?

[k14]

a 636 for $15,500?
shit, are they that cheap. don't know how yamaha can justify that exhorbitant price. i see in another thread someone said you can get a brand new blade for $18k, only $500 more than an r6. Seen some run out 05 r6's for $13k, now thats a bargain.

[onearmedbandit]

Wow, quite suprised with the curves of the R6. A different dyno will give different numbers, but the curves will be the same and that's the most important part (ie the area under the curve).

[bugjuice]

shit, are they that cheap. don't know how yamaha can justify that exhorbitant price. i see in another thread someone said you can get a brand new blade for $18k, only $500 more than an r6. Seen some run out 05 r6's for $13k, now thats a bargain.
I think they're around that.. Mt Eden has them tagged around that.. you can always barter..

I thought new GSXR750s were about 17,000..

And it's not that they're cheap, it's just realistically priced ;)

[Firefight]

And it's not that they're cheap, it's just realistically priced ;)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah, whatever.

F/F

[Cajun]

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?NewBikeID=2831&TabID=3554&Alias=motorcycletradernz gsx-r600 06 -$15,995

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?NewBikeID=2830&TabID=3554&Alias=motorcycletradernz
gsx-r750 06 - $18,995

it only as the 04/05 yamaha 600's on bike point but those are $17,500 retail, So i am guessing the 06 be simlar pricing, since the suzukis are simlar pricing to last year models

[Cajun]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah, whatever.

F/F

Quite you! dc: <

[bugjuice]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah, whatever.

F/F
i enjoy fishing..

[Firefight]

i enjoy fishing..

7 mins to reply, sorry mate no rep for that.

F/F:laugh:

[bugjuice]

hey, some of us have to create an illusion that I actually work..

[Firefight]

hey, some of us have to create an illusion that I actually work..


Rep on the way Kit


F/F:blink:

[bugjuice]

yamaha's colour is blue too.. :bleh:

[Paulus]

Preliminary tests on the new R6 would seem to indicate that it's a jet. Perhaps they have a dyno calibration error? The torque curves show more difference than there really is because the y axis doesn't go anywhere near 0. Anyway both these bikes are making the sort of peak power that Fireblades were making a few years back - wow!

I don't know if many of you remember the curves like this doing the rounds when the K5 Gixxer 1000 came out indicating it had 10hp more everywhere. Turned out they were mistaken (though it is obviously still very powerful).

[CLEAN CUT]

The same Dyno grahs are on about 6 USA web sites, next to Yamaha's offer to buy back there bike that advertised with a false rev seeling limit:nya:

Shaun, for the sake of all please stop looking at dyno graphs and learn to spell!

[bugjuice]

can't be the dyno calibration, cos the world over are coming out with the same short-fall on the 06 R6..
It's Yama BS'ing

[Shaun]

Shaun, for the sake of all please stop looking at dyno graphs and learn to spell!

Why, it seems no one else had a problem with my use of the engrish langwige

[CLEAN CUT]

Why, it seems no one else had a problem with my use of the engrish langwige


Maybe your ancestors are from Ireland, that would well explain your ongoing capabilities in bastardising the Queens English. You need to go back to school to improve your grammar and then onwards to finishing school.

[Shaun]

Maybe your ancestors are from Ireland, that would well explain your ongoing capabilities in bastardising the Queens English. You need to go back to school to improve your grammar and then onwards to finishing school.

Please excuse my lack of education, I am so sorry that I am not up to your standards.

Do you think you could add anything to this thread that is relivant , or do you just want to sit back and belittle others due to there lack of education?:Playnice: Wanker

[onearmedbandit]

LMFAO over this one. Okay, whose alter ego is CLEAN CUT?? Fess up, no-one who has been a member of a site for less than two weeks could be this arrogant...

[Korea]

I'm not disparaging the validity of these charts but... Hang on a sec, and correct me if I'm wrong but let's take a closer look...

First Pic: HP/RPM
#1 Both bikes make roughly the same max power (111.6 Vs. 108.8).
You are never going to notice where those 3 horses went.
#2 It looks like the blue line is stomping all over the red line, but in reality the Yammy just makes its power higher up in the rev range. Right?

Second Pic: HP/MPH
#1 The blue line looks smooth and pulls nicely all the way to the finish = BORING! (Ohhhh... I'm gonna pay for that one :bash: )
The red line throws in a few kinks along the way which you may well be feeling when you wind it out. It's like a bit of red pepper powder in your noodles for a bit of kick.
#2 Eh? WTF? Top speed was only 227.2kmph (142mph) on the R6 this was obviously not top gear, was it?
#2a The blue line goes on for longer before dropping off against the rev-limiter = gearing, hello??? If you want to go faster, change your sprockets.

Third Pic: Torque / RPM
Once again, the bikes are really close: 42.4 Vs. 45.4 (pounds/feet|Lbs whateva??). The trick here is that the chart has given the Y-axis really wide divisions and (as mentioned earlier) doesn't start at zero (naughty chart!).

In reality, the 600 class is fiercely competitive and all the contestants are neck-in-neck with each other. Total power output is going to be 'much-of-a-muchness and the deciding factor will really come down to which one handles better, personal rider preference (smooth or perky?), and which gets more attention from busty (chesty for the ladies) Uni students.

I guarantee that 99.9% of us would not be disappointed with any of the current offerings ~ that's why they sell so well.

[onearmedbandit]

Korea, you speak too much sense for this site.

[Kornholio]

Korea, you speak too much sense for this site.

Sense?.. i didnt understand a word he said, then again Im from the Waikato :eyepoke:

[Two Smoker]

I'm not disparaging the validity of these charts but... Hang on a sec, and correct me if I'm wrong but let's take a closer look...

First Pic: HP/RPM
#1 Both bikes make roughly the same max power (111.6 Vs. 108.8).
You are never going to notice where those 3 horses went.
#2 It looks like the blue line is stomping all over the red line, but in reality the Yammy just makes its power higher up in the rev range. Right?

Second Pic: HP/MPH
#1 The blue line looks smooth and pulls nicely all the way to the finish = BORING! (Ohhhh... I'm gonna pay for that one :bash: )
The red line throws in a few kinks along the way which you may well be feeling when you wind it out. It's like a bit of red pepper powder in your noodles for a bit of kick.
#2 Eh? WTF? Top speed was only 227.2kmph (142mph) on the R6 this was obviously not top gear, was it?
#2a The blue line goes on for longer before dropping off against the rev-limiter = gearing, hello??? If you want to go faster, change your sprockets.

Third Pic: Torque / RPM
Once again, the bikes are really close: 42.4 Vs. 45.4 (pounds/feet|Lbs whateva??). The trick here is that the chart has given the Y-axis really wide divisions and (as mentioned earlier) doesn't start at zero (naughty chart!).

In reality, the 600 class is fiercely competitive and all the contestants are neck-in-neck with each other. Total power output is going to be 'much-of-a-muchness and the deciding factor will really come down to which one handles better, personal rider preference (smooth or perky?), and which gets more attention from busty (chesty for the ladies) Uni students.

I guarantee that 99.9% of us would not be disappointed with any of the current offerings ~ that's why they sell so well.

1/2: On a race track you will definately notice where 3 hp went, the GSX-R makes more power everywhere, so therefore will be completely throughout the rev range be faster

1: Smooth powerband is key, its getting the power down smoother, resulting in better predictability with wheelspin.
2: Most dynoing is done in 4th gear (sometimes 5th)
2a: changes acceleration and top speed... doesnt change the amount of power or where it is made.

All bikes make torque when idleing...and 3 foot pounds on the race track is still going to be alot different.

These bikes are mainly made for the racetrack then softened up for the road...

And your final point... I 100% agree... on the road most people will not notice the difference and the buyers decision will come down to taste...

[APPLE]

gsxr'' own the race track''

[CLEAN CUT]

LMFAO over this one. Okay, whose alter ego is CLEAN CUT?? Fess up, no-one who has been a member of a site for less than two weeks could be this arrogant...

If I had over 1800 forum lodgements it may curb my perceived arrogance. Oh to have so much idle time...

[Sensei]

Sense?.. i didnt understand a word he said, then again Im from the Waikato :eyepoke:

Look what he rides Brother !! the secret lies there :2guns:

[boomer]

Look what he rides Brother !! the secret lies there :2guns:


I thought you were gonna be a good boy??!!! :first:

[Sensei]

I thought you were gonna be a good boy??!!! :first:

I am to my friends anyone else Fucking look out !

[boomer]

I am to my friends anyone else Fucking look out !

now now :eyepoke:


:p

[Kornholio]

Lol now you two play nice or we will burn the Honda......

[2_SL0]

All a much a muchness. They all go well. My understanding with the new R6 is, it is very track orientated. Other 600's make better road bikes. (Insert flame here)
As I dont race, (yes I can hear some of you snigger at the sheer thought of me on a track) the new R6 has less appeal to me than any of the other bikes. THAT coming from me is a big deal, as I am a big Yamaha fan. The pricing for Yamaha has always been the same, thru out all their product range they set prices with the belief they make the best product, so they can price it how they like. They market their product the same way. Whether it be true or not, thats for the consumer to decide.
I have to admit so far the the new R6 appears to be a little ugly , (Insert flame here) Its very angular, and just doesnt do it for me. WTF is the licence plate bracket doing. Looks like a ad-on. Without it, the backs kinda nice, but hey most of use require a licence plate and indicators.
I will reserve my final judgement on the R6 until I have seen the blue and black model as I really dont like white and red.

[cowpoos]

If I had over 1800 forum lodgements it may curb my perceived arrogance. Oh to have so much idle time...

you would be likely to be fish....with that wankerishly arrogent statment!!!!

[flash]

gsxr'' own the race track''
and this is coming from the guy with the r6 avatar...

[ducatilover]

i dont see the big deal, the rider is a major contributing factor in bikes so evenly matched, and if i was on a k5 thou id get beaten anywhere by a avereage rider on a r6 nomater what the dyno says

[flash]

why are you so quick to dis yourself all the time? :P

[ducatilover]

why are you so quick to dis yourself all the time? :P
because i have no need to compensate and its true:mellow:

[WINJA]

whats important is the way that suzuki makes its power , sure its only 3 hp up top but its about 10 hp more in the midrange, that means the suzuki can be one gear up and hold it longer , or the rider can fuck up and not lose so much ground on the suzuki, looking at those 2 curves id wanna be on the suzuki on a damp or wet track or road for that matter , talking about road riding that suzuki would be better for doubling as well

[k14]

whats important is the way that suzuki makes its power , sure its only 3 hp up top but its about 10 hp more in the midrange, that means the suzuki can be one gear up and hold it longer , or the rider can fuck up and not lose so much ground on the suzuki, looking at those 2 curves id wanna be on the suzuki on a damp or wet track or road for that matter , talking about road riding that suzuki would be better for doubling as well
nah it doesn't, it has 10hp more in the same revs as the r6 but not that much more in the "midrange". Because the r6 has a higher rev limit (yeah i know its not 17000+, but 16200 apparantly) it makes its power higher in the rev range. So say the usable power on the gixxer is between (and these are just for example) 8000 and 13000, whereas the r6's power is used between 9500 and 14500, so you have to compare the power at the respective revs taking into account this different rev range. Yes the gixxer does have a way way smoother power curve and 3 or so hp more virtually right through the rev range it isn't as much as you say.

Be interesting to see how much difference an aftermarket system and power commander on both bikes would make. I'm sure the uneven-ness in the r6's curve would vanish but the power differences would most likley remain the same.

[WINJA]

nah it doesn't, it has 10hp more in the same revs as the r6 but not that much more in the "midrange". Because the r6 has a higher rev limit (yeah i know its not 17000+, but 16200 apparantly) it makes its power higher in the rev range. So say the usable power on the gixxer is between (and these are just for example) 8000 and 13000, whereas the r6's power is used between 9500 and 14500, so you have to compare the power at the respective revs taking into account this different rev range. Yes the gixxer does have a way way smoother power curve and 3 or so hp more virtually right through the rev range it isn't as much as you say.

Be interesting to see how much difference an aftermarket system and power commander on both bikes would make. I'm sure the uneven-ness in the r6's curve would vanish but the power differences would most likley remain the same.EITHER SIDE OF THAT BLIP HAS 10 HP , AND AFTER I GOT THAT SORTA GAIN ON A DYNO I COULD NOTICE IT

[SPman]

The pricing for Yamaha has always been the same, thru out all their product range they set prices with the belief they make the best product, so they can price it how they like.
Yep....nothing has changed in 35 years.....liked the DS7 - bought a T250 II..(and it thrashed a DS7 on the track!)

[onearmedbandit]

If I had over 1800 forum lodgements it may curb my perceived arrogance. Oh to have so much idle time...


Oh oh, that hurt. Maybe it is perceived arrogance, but certainly genuine ignorance. Check how long I've been a member here CC.

[beyond]

Ahhh, Spman: That brings back very fond memories. My first bike was T250
and man was that fun. Did 35,000 miles on it and had two right off accidents on it. Second time not rebuildable so the mill went into a Go Kart for three whole seasons. What a motor and the handling was superb. :)

[Gforce]

compare the price,the R6 is $17495 and K6 is only $16295.with the equal amount of money we could choose K6 750, that will beat R6 for sure.

[boomer]

yeah but every dog and his flea has a gixxer.. for 15 9 you could have sex on wheels and blow all the above off the road :lol:

[Kornholio]

yeah but every dog and his flea has a gixxer.. for 15 9 you could have sex on wheels and blow all the above off the road :lol:

15.9k... soooo a 10k hooker on a 05CBR6RR .9k with a 5k blower fan strapped to teh back of it?? :whistle:

[Back Fire]

I'd go for the GSXR.... wonder why??? hah... I really just like the looks better... allthough I'd still take a K5 over a K6 :Punk: (which I chose to do (waiting was not an issue))

[Lazy7]

is it a case of maybe the bikes would even out a bit if they had similar mods?

like if you gave both bikes a full system and a retune with a power commander - would they even out or would the Gixxer keep the same margin of power in front?

maybe the yamaha isn't tuned as wildy out of the box but still has the same potential?

how much do each of the bikes weigh?

[texmo]

Power is nothing with out control, the yamma might have better shocks, brakes and alround handeling...

[yzfr6]

now that is disappointing being a yamaha fan.
guess they had to bullshit there way to trying to have the top 600cc sports bike.
well does anyone know what a 04 r6 puts out at the wheel in stock form and what i can expect with a better exuast.