why is it that nekkid bikes.........

[ducatilover]

why does it seem that nakked bikes are heavier than the sproty kind? i love nakkids and was just wondering why no one makes a superlight weight twin? even my old nana aged bros weighs 169kg dry and alot of these new beggars are all 175+:mad: i thought the point of a nakked is lightweight?

[HenryDorsetCase]

manufacturers know that putright preformance and speed isnt the point of nekkid bikes, so use lead pipe and cast iron for their bits, whcih is cheaper than for a full on unobtanium sprots machine??

[Coyote]

This is why it's better to get a sprotsbike and rip everything you don't want off and turn it into a streetfighter

It's the logical choice

[marty]

or just get a tuono r - 183kg dry. your bros is only 169 cause it's a gutless wonder, and can be built light and cheap. there has to be some strength to harness 120+ hp

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?NewBikeID=2626&TabID=3554&Alias=motorcycletradernz

[pritch]

i thought the point of a nakked is lightweight?

The figures the Japanese factories put out are generally regarded as crap. Some have no basis in reality at all.

A quick check of some claimed weights would indicate your basic assumption is suspect too.
(The following are "claimed" weights)
The comparisons are as near relevant as I gould get at a glance.

Hornet 900 - 194 kg
VFR 800 - 218

Monster1000- 190
999 - 199

RSV Tuono - 181
RSV R - 189

Brutale - 178
MV F4s - 192

[Motu]

The figures the Japanese factories put out are generally regarded as crap. Some have no basis in reality at all.


I did a thread on this recently - both the bikes I weighed were within a kilo of advertised weight...wet! Both dirt bikes of course....maybe only sprotsbikes have bullshit weight figures?

[ducatilover]

or just get a tuono r - 183kg dry. your bros is only 169 cause it's a gutless wonder, and can be built light and cheap. there has to be some strength to harness 120+ hp

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?NewBikeID=2626&TabID=3554&Alias=motorcycletradernz
ummm what has gutless got to do with it? a gsxr100k5 weighs something like 166kg dry. and an r1 or zx10 dont weigh much either so why dont the manufacturers use the chassis from hem with a wee bit of cosmetic work? atleast they wont have to design a nice heavy frame.

cb900 and vfr800 are hugely different other than the fairings, im thinkingmore fz1 fazer vs r1 kinda thingy

[Lou Girardin]

Perhaps they think that nekkids will have to do harder work and need to be built to last.
For example, alloy subframes are not ideal for carrying pillions and luggage for two weeks holiday.

[dawnrazor]

lighter means more expensive, more expensive means more performance, more performance means more power, more power means more speed, more speed means...ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

[Motu]

Yep,a naked,or bike with a more ''classic'' set up is not so narrow focused,and will be put to many uses,this is the intention of course,and the manufacturer will allow for it in the design.Same with dirt bikes,a trail bike will always be heavier than an MXer,the race bike is only designed for one thing,a trail bike for many things.The motor in my bike is derived from an MX bike,but weighs twice as much.

[ZeroIndex]

lighter means more expensive, more expensive means more performance, more performance means more power, more power means more speed, more speed means...ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

And that is the answer I would agree with most :p

[Pixie]

Go on a diet.
You fat bastards!

Losing 20 kg off the rider has the same effect.

[pritch]

ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

There is a true gem of wisdom that even escapes a lot of professional testers.
Worthy of bling even.

[F5 Dave]

ummm what has gutless got to do with it? a gsxr100k5 weighs something like 166kg dry. and an r1 or zx10 dont weigh much either. . .


But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

Duc 748 215kg. So at least the GSXR is doing well, just not that well.

Anyone who has built a half serious race bike will know that lighter components are more expensive. It is real easy to make heavy wheels that will survive the road, but to make light ones that still do is harder & hence more expensive.

[Lou Girardin]

But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

.

What about 3.8 litres of oil, 2 - 3 litres of coolant, etc. Some manufacturers even weigh them with the battery out.

[F5 Dave]

& no tyres, wiring loom, fasteners, paint?!:slap:

[ducatilover]

But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

Duc 748 215kg. So at least the GSXR is doing well, just not that well.

Anyone who has built a half serious race bike will know that lighter components are more expensive. It is real easy to make heavy wheels that will survive the road, but to make light ones that still do is harder & hence more expensive.
but the claimed weights are minus oil and coolant aswell arent they? I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]

i do agree with the reliability thing, i'm geussing im the only one who will get a bike serviced every 10000k or 8000k?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Paul Dean had a really good Q & A going in Cycle world on this last year.

It seems that the manufacturers weight figures are the aggregate of all the bits used to make the bike: so no fluids at all... fork oil, brake and clutch fluid, petrol, engine oil, and possibly even the battery are not included in "Dry" weight.

because there is marketing advantage in being the "lightest", the fact you couldnt even push them round the garage, much less ride them in that state is irrelevant.

My view is all magazine tests should be conducted with the thing locked, cocked and ready to rock: full gas tank included. Some mags do this (CW and PB). CW also dyno's stuff as a matter of course. But all their stuff is US market specific, so not that useful here.


to get back to the point of the thread:

fast, light, cheap. Pick two. :)

[pritch]

What about 3.8 litres of oil, 2 - 3 litres of coolant, etc. Some manufacturers even weigh them with the battery out.

I read that one of the Jap manufacturers just published a figure one kg lower than the lowest opposition. If Yamaha can exagerate the claimed RMP by a coupla thou or so what's a kg between friends.

[HenryDorsetCase]

but the claimed weights are minus oil and coolant aswell arent they? I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]
?

Streetfighter a TL.?

or get a naked SVthou: its about 5kg heavier than the 650 but more power in stock trim and MUCH more torque. better front suspenders and a hydraulic clutch too.

and easier to put cans on. SV650 involves cutting the pipe, whereas its bolt on with the thou. Thou sounds amazing with no cans at all !!! not so good for WOF though.

[ducatilover]

yeah i think that weighing the bikes with a full tank on test is a good idea. i know that k5/k6 thou's are rather small feeling [i sat on one:Punk: :tugger: ]..

i think when it comes down to it i'll go and test the bastards and see what they are like. being a scrawny beggar [i only have one big muscle] i like the smaller bikes, which is why a bros650 or vfr400 fit me very well:ride:

[ducatilover]

Streetfighter a TL.?

or get a naked SVthou: its about 5kg heavier than the 650 but more power in stock trim and MUCH more torque. better front suspenders and a hydraulic clutch too.

and easier to put cans on. SV650 involves cutting the pipe, whereas its bolt on with the thou. Thou sounds amazing with no cans at all !!! not so good for WOF though.i have a mate with an sv thou with an after market can [the only thou with a single can that ive seen] and that sounds fairly good. they are quite decently sized aswell, what are they like to ride? i have someone who wants to port my bros650:headbang:

[Lou Girardin]

I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]


Speed Triple, Superduke, Tuono, Brutale, Z1000, to name a few.

[ducatilover]

speedtriples are beautys. if i ever had th moolah for a tuono it would get clipons. i dont want a nekkid bike with these fucken motorcross bars:slap: ...

im going to see how the bros650 is coming along, im going to mount the clipons below the top triple clamp:2thumbsup

[skelstar]

BMW K1200R. Fastest nekid production bike apparently. 165BHP? 221kg.

[ducatilover]

ummm why would i be on a bike that fast?:bye:

too heavy and big for my likeing, i like the sv650 nakked, just need more grunt is all, maybe ill try both sv's when i have my full

[ducatilover]

skel- whats yer hornet like compared to your hyobag? not in terms of power but in handling and comfort, riding possie?:ride:

[skelstar]

Changed the bars so the riding pos is more agressive. The seat is higher and wider so more of a reach to ground. Not cool for steep driveways (or parking in <artinborough it seems :)). Much better handling in the Takas and anywhere else in general. Feels really planted in the corners. Had to mess around with the rear-sus for about 5mins to firm it up. The bike is heavier (30kgs) but doesnt feel it when Im riding. Much more solid feel. The 'bag turned in faster though...but not that you would really care eh? :)

[skelstar]

Should say that my butt gets sore quicker (ie 1 hour of continuous riding), but when you are riding with others its not a problem as you are always stopping anyway. I just ride with Firestorm owners as they have to stop every hour to gas up anyway :).

[ducatilover]

so the higher rear does have an effect on handling? i need to raise the bros rear end. i can see why the hyobag turned in quicker, it is smaller and i wouldnt doubt skinnier. i have a soft spot for those hornets, even though they are a four

[skelstar]

The 'bag aint that small compared to the Hornet. Narrow means f*ckall unless you are talking tyre width.
Raising the rear would steepen the steering angle thus making it turn sharper. It was just more firm than anything else.

[Lou Girardin]

High bars are the whole point. That's why they're so quick in the tight stuff

[skelstar]

THe stock Hornet bars were heaps narrower than the 'bags. The grips came back on a sharper angle too. Rode the bike a few times through the Taka's with stock bars and I didnt feel like I could throw it around much. Maybe the countersteering was less effective. As soon as I put the flat-low bars on (much wider) I could really lean in and feel confident.

[ducatilover]

i dont really like the high bars though, and the narrowness of the bros650 means i can flick from corner to corner hapier:Punk:

[ducatilover]

THe stock Hornet bars were heaps narrower than the 'bags. The grips came back on a sharper angle too. Rode the bike a few times through the Taka's with stock bars and I didnt feel like I could throw it around much. Maybe the countersteering was less effective. As soon as I put the flat-low bars on (much wider) I could really lean in and feel confident.
im really curious as to how the hyobags handle, i might try get a test ride somewhere..... [hint hint skel]:woohoo:

[skelstar]

Sure just a couple of questions:
1. are you younger than 18?
2. do you have a penchant for doing sumersaults at 160km/h?

;)

[skelstar]

Trust me, you wouldnt like it anyway.

[ducatilover]

Sure just a couple of questions:
1. are you younger than 18?
2. do you have a penchant for doing sumersaults at 160km/h?

;)
now now lets not get personal lol. i probably wouldnt like it though.
i'll have to get my bike fixed quicker so i can get dragged of by you over the takas:rockon: