powercommanders

[APPLE]

i need info on powercommanders?who has one?wots the price on them(new)how do they work?..............cheers APPLE

[Big Dave]

i need info on powercommanders?who has one?wots the price on them(new)how do they work?..............cheers APPLE

The best answers in Auckland will come from the guys upstairs at AMPS.
www.amps.co.nz
They are the Authorised dynojet tuning centre for the town and are very close to the importers PCW.
www.performancecycle.co.nz
where ther are links to the Dynojet site.
hth

[Lou Girardin]

Power Commanders interface with your injection electronics and allow the mixture (fuel mapping) to be optimised for your set-up. They can achieve more outright power, but the main advantage is in evening out the torque curve. Getting rid of the dips and bumps caused by emmision and noise requirements and/or aftermarket cans and high flow air filters.
Retail is $580.98 for your TLR. (I could sweeten that a bit)
Allow extra dosh for dyno time too, about $300.00.
An initial dyno base run will show if there'll be an advantage in fitting one.

[Fishy]

An initial dyno base run will show if there'll be an advantage in fitting one.

Does that mean if it doesn't show improvement we can chose not to purchase it?

[vifferman]

Power Commanders interface with your injection electronics and allow the mixture (fuel mapping) to be optimised for your set-up. They can achieve more outright power, but the main advantage is in evening out the torque curve. Getting rid of the dips and bumps caused by emmision and noise requirements and/or aftermarket cans and high flow air filters.
That's it.
Unless you're whacking on a full aftermarket zorst system, and a different type of air filter, and that sort of thing, the only real advantage is getting rid of built-in lean spots and dips and hollows. And stuff.

I had one on the VifFerraRi for a while, and it was really good, once I had the right map and tweaked it a bit. The guy I borrowed it from bought it from K&N for US$30. New. :shit:

[TLDV8]

i need info on powercommanders?who has one?wots the price on them(new)how do they work?..............cheers APPLE

Depends why you want it...... If it is to suit something like aftermarket mufflers,it can be a lot easier to simply get the ECU bumped with a Yosh box..+5-+5-+0 works ok...........The PCII is ok but most times you are downloading a map off the web when the best results would be a custom map set up on a dyno.You can get a brand new TL1000R PCII out of the U.S for around NZ$250 + postage.The PCIII for the TL is supposed to be out very soon.

[limbimtimwim]

i need info on powercommanders?who has one?wots the price on them(new)how do they work?..............cheers APPLEAlso consider: http://www.factorypro.com/TEKA_SFI/TEKA_SFI_suzuki%20fi,%20fuel%20injection,ECU.html Pricy, but quite cool because it doesn't use a PC, you can adjust while running and doesn't need to stay connected.

[Lou Girardin]

Does that mean if it doesn't show improvement we can chose not to purchase it?

Now you're just being silly. There's a 'leaving the workshop charge'. Enforced by "Moose".

[gav]

Would you expect better or worse fuel economy after fitting and setting one up?

[Lou Girardin]

Would you expect better or worse fuel economy after fitting and setting one up?

In theory it should be better. But who's not going to use the extra grunt?

[Fishy]

Now you're just being silly. There's a 'leaving the workshop charge'. Enforced by "Moose".

Ohhhh come on Lou, no "Try before you buy"? maybe you should have a demo PC available? :bleh:

[Big Dave]

Enforced by "Moose".


phhht - lightweights.

[Lou Girardin]

Ohhhh come on Lou, no "Try before you buy"? maybe you should have a demo PC available? :bleh:

I can refer you to a well satisfied user with, co-incidentally, the very same bike as you.
He's got a fishy name like flipper or some such.
No that's right - Finn.
I'm sure he'd be happy to let you thrash his bike to within an inch of it's life.
Right Finn?

[Fishy]

I can refer you to a well satisfied user with, co-incidentally, the very same bike as you.
He's got a fishy name like flipper or some such.
No that's right - Finn.
I'm sure he'd be happy to let you thrash his bike to within an inch of it's life.
Right Finn?

Been there done that, thrashed the bike (before you smart arses say anything)

PC makes it soooooo smooooooth!.

[Grahameeboy]

Lou, do you sell those Ivans TRE eliminators things........they just plug in and improve 1/2 throttle response without affecting idle etc....cheap too for what they do...

[Drunken Monkey]

You don't necessarily need to do the dyno runs, the Power Commander website has a whole range of different maps saved to file for a range of common aftermarket modifications. However, each bike and setup is different, so to get the best value for money, it would still be recommended to dyno tune it to suit your exact needs.
I have changed my muffler and had a diameter change where the muffler slips on to the exhaust,not changed the map and not noticed any difference. This isn't to say there isn't a difference, just that I haven't noticed it. Acutally, I've never ridden a stock 750Y, so I don't really know what's different.

If you like your toys and have some cash to burn, go for it.

[pritch]

Does that mean if it doesn't show improvement we can chose not to purchase it?

Can't speak for Lou, but I got the impression that he was suggesting you do a base run "as is" to see if there is a need for a Power Commander.

I just made the exact same suggestion to someone else on another thread.

[vifferman]

Would you expect better or worse fuel economy after fitting and setting one up?
Depends how you set it up.
The maps I ran on mine were leaner in some places, and richer in others. The nett result on fuel consumption wasn't readily discernible.
By the way, Gav - have you disconnected your O2 sensors yet? Unplug 'em, and stick some 330 ohm resistors between the two pins furthest away from the catch on the plugs the sensors plug into. You'll loose the horribly lean 'closed loop' mode on the EFI/ECU, and the hesitation where it changes from closed-loop to normal. It doesn't run quite as well at low revs (a bit rich) but is much more rideable overall.

[gav]

Depends how you set it up.
The maps I ran on mine were leaner in some places, and richer in others. The nett result on fuel consumption wasn't readily discernible.
By the way, Gav - have you disconnected your O2 sensors yet? Unplug 'em, and stick some 330 ohm resistors between the two pins furthest away from the catch on the plugs the sensors plug into. You'll loose the horribly lean 'closed loop' mode on the EFI/ECU, and the hesitation where it changes from closed-loop to normal. It doesn't run quite as well at low revs (a bit rich) but is much more rideable overall.
My what? :blink:

[Finn]

I can refer you to a well satisfied user with, co-incidentally, the very same bike as you.
He's got a fishy name like flipper or some such.
No that's right - Finn.
I'm sure he'd be happy to let you thrash his bike to within an inch of it's life.
Right Finn?

Owning the fastest, most powerful superbike in NZ, I can speak with some authority. The power commander is worth ever cent and is a must for any bike with an aftermarket pipe. In addition to the extra HP, the power delivery is so much smoother. But don't take my word for it, ask Fishslayer. He took my bike for a ride.

[TLDV8]

Ivans TRE eliminators things........they just plug in and improve 1/2 throttle response without affecting idle etc....cheap too for what they do...

The internals of this SATRE for my TLS cost $1.17 for a reference,the plugs can be had for around US$8 + postage...if you can solder it is well worth it to make your own,in their most simple form a TRE is nothing more than a 20c resistor.The SATRE has a transister that uses the neutral indicator light circuit to swithch on and off so the idle is not effected (fwiw)

<img src=http://photos.imageevent.com/tldv8/electrics/websize/SATRE.JPG>

[Grahameeboy]

I can't wait to hear the answer Grahameeboy....... but the internals of this SATRE for my TLS cost $1.17 for a reference...if you can solder it is well worth it to make your own,in their most simple form a TRE is nothing more than a 20c resistor.

<img src=http://photos.imageevent.com/tldv8/electrics/websize/SATRE.JPG>

Hey I am really sensible ya know but guess it is nice to be famous for something.......interesting cause over here the cost is just under $200........does your 1.70c jobbie do exactly what the $200 does....I cannot solder so where can I get this SATRE thing from and does it just plug in and where.....:2thumbsup

[TLDV8]

Hey I am really sensible ya know but guess it is nice to be famous for something.......interesting cause over here the cost is just under $200........does your 1.70c jobbie do exactly what the $200 does....I cannot solder so where can I get this SATRE thing from and does it just plug in and where.....:2thumbsup

This is the most popular source for TRE's if you do not want to make your own.

http://www.jsdproducts.com/

I made my own after getting the plugs off JSD in the USA ...... The JSD site will give you an idea how much the shops ream people here,your price would be a 100% mark up on what they cost to buy RRP in the States...The transistorised version i have is what the bought ones copy...The first TRE's were nothing more than 2 plugs and a resistor (20 cents off Dick Smiths)

It depends why the SV needs one..........on the TL if you give them full throttle in 2nd gear they fall on their face,the TRE gets rid of that by tricking the ECU into thinking it is in 5th gear (more ignition advance than the lower gears) since the resistor in the TRE duplicates the resistence for 5th gear.There is nothing complicated about a TRE.

[Fishy]

In addition to the extra HP, the power delivery is so much smoother. But don't take my word for it, ask Fishslayer. He took my bike for a ride.

Yep I can confirm that...... with a PC fitted it makes the bike feel super smooth and tight....like a virgin on 2 wheels!.

[Grahameeboy]

This is the most popular source for TRE's if you do not want to make your own.

http://www.jsdproducts.com/

I made my own after getting the plugs off JSD in the USA ...... The JSD site will give you an idea how much the shops ream people here,your price would be a 100% mark up on what they cost to buy RRP in the States...The transistorised version i have is what the bought ones copy...The first TRE's were nothing more than 2 plugs and a resistor (20 cents off Dick Smiths)

It depends why the SV needs one..........on the TL if you give them full throttle in 2nd gear they fall on their face,the TRE gets rid of that by tricking the ECU into thinking it is in 5th gear (more ignition advance than the lower gears) since the resistor in the TRE duplicates the resistence for 5th gear.There is nothing complicated about a TRE.


Cheers for that...: - )

[APPLE]

cheers guys 4 all the info aye?my misses rekons i cant trade up......so i says's fuck it then im gonna tweek my bike.gotta few options from bugjuice as well man,but amps sounds real good 2......cheers:headbang: