Sponsorship

[MadDuck]

I was out riding last weekend and over heard a converstaion. I guess I can be invisible when required.

We have the most active site in NZ. So why arent we tapping into this resource? You guys all talk about needing sponsors. Well here we are...just ask. You never know who may be reading...who may think "Hell yeah" I like this guys attitude.

Lets say 50 KBbers willing to put in $100 each. Damn thats a foot in surely for the Nationals?

Quasi is doing an amazing job donating products for auction but if we want to move ahead and promote racing in NZ then we need to get behind it.

[Quasievil]

yeah good idea madduck, whatever I do is just a little token doesnt cover much nut I guess it all helps.
It would be great if a few people on here can raise the subject of sponsorship in various business meetings around the country, easy enough to find worthy recipients from this site.
maybe we need a sponsorship committee 11 (kidding)

But we should all get in behind our top riders, at the end of the day it works for all of us eh ?

[MadDuck]

I guess what is getting to me Quasi is the old Kiwi humble shit. Peps willng to put money up but these blokes need to convince us as to why.

Like I say 50 KBers put up $100 for the cause. We could make a change

[Karma]

Go large... some companies have hugh budgets for sponsorship they're dying to give away.

I'd try the big companies, Telecom, Vodafone, Microsoft, etc...

These are all companies who are aiming at the kind of people who attend bike races...

[MadDuck]

Go large... some companies have hugh budgets for sponsorship they're dying to give away.

I'd try the big companies, Telecom, Vodafone, Microsoft, etc...

These are all companies who are aiming at the kind of people who attend bike races...

Large is not always good. One has to ask how many none bikers know who Stroud is...Harris who?...whats a Britten. Its up to us really.

But we know...oh yes we know

[gav]

Hmmm, lets see here. When a rider with the background of Jason McEwan and with the backing of someone as savvy as Shaun Harris, is struggling to fund a return to the National racing scene, what chance have novice/rookie riders really got. KB and all the great members donated what $5000 (?), what return did we see? Don't know how much was raised, no one has really said, havent really read any decent reports on how he went/did or where the money was spent. Is this the way to receive money and report back to your sponsors?
Fact is, road racing aint a cheap sport, if you can't afford it, maybe you're in the wrong sport?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Yep what gav said.

[soundbeltfarm]

Fact is, road racing aint a cheap sport, if you can't afford it, maybe you're in the wrong sport?

true racing aint cheap but if everyone had the attitude of if i cant afford it i must be in the wrong sport, it would be pretty shitty.
luckily theres alot of people in all motor sports that have a dream or goal and pursue it no matter what the cost, they find a way .
so i'd answer your question as a no.
even if you cant afford it , if it your dream i say go for it.

[gav]

Thats fine, just dont expect handouts to come your way for nothing or just because you race.....

[soundbeltfarm]

Thats fine, just dont expect handouts to come your way for nothing or just because you race.....

i totally agree with you there.

[Quasievil]

Geez what you dudes on about, sounds like sour grapes or smething, I have been involved in raising money for about 3 kiwibikers and noe of them expected anything and are all humble guys. Its something you dont do for nothing, I get plenty from the guys I have supported, in a couple of the cases they helped me first, I dont think you speak for many on this site, but if I can help out some KB members I will

[Kwaka-Kid]

yeah, its an interesting arguement... Quasi i think gav is speaking more in particular of that one case, which without wanting to be disrespectful at all towards the whole deal, i would have possibly expected a little more in terms of reporting back - which is only why i think/support all the more towards the likes of K14 etc whom you know are humble young dudes with great motovation and willingness to learn and exceed expectations in not just in terms of their riding but by knocking in some extra yards here and there typing race reports-which isnt always the most fun thing to do on a tiring sunday night after racing or whatever.

anyways, digressing a little from the topic, but now back on track, sounds good MD - but is this just like general? have the ideas gone much further-just asking because wasnt this brought up in light of the Jason McEwan thing awhile back?

[FROSTY]

I believe everyone must do what they feel best.

[soundbeltfarm]

I believe everyone must do what they feel best.


me too.

no shame in shaking hands with kojak.
hahahaah

[ManDownUnder]

What chance have novice/rookie riders really got.

Can you spell "defeatist"?

Just coz others can't do it, doesn't mean you can't. Get out there and do it. At least give it a go for God's sake.

Let me throw a few names at you

John Britten
Bert Munro
Edmund Hillary
Bill Pickering
Ernest RutherfordWe have world champions in every walk of life, and those in motorsports seem to have found sponsors. If you don't know how to find them... talk to someone that has. Write to someone, ask to meet with Murph or whoever and find out what they did.

These are passionate people, they're good at what the do, and they'll probably be willing to spend some time to help. They know the ropes, and the mistakes to avoid. Learn from them.

What's the worst that can happen - they say "no"? Boo hoo - find someone else to talk to.

You (hopefully) get my point. Don't become a victim to the great clobbering machine NZ has perfected. Do what you do, and do it your best.

[Paul in NZ]

Not clobbering anyone but..

You need to look at the wider picture... Most people are not clobbering you at all, it's just that a lot of motorcyclist's don't actually care much for road racing... It has bugger all to do with my life how fast a GSXR-1BR-RR will go around Manfield even if Burt Brittin is riding it. Sponsors will be people that do care...

If you want more sponsors, you might think about giving people a reason to care? I dunno, just a thought...

[gav]

Sorry, I wasnt moaning about it, just stating what I saw. In fact I've done OK with sponsorship myslef and have posted here before the approach to take and some ideas to use. Its not sour grapes or anything like that. I've both gained sponsorship and given out sponsorship and worked with riders in the past.

[Shaun]

Hmmm, lets see here. When a rider with the background of Jason McEwan and with the backing of someone as savvy as Shaun Harris, is struggling to fund a return to the National racing scene, what chance have novice/rookie riders really got. KB and all the great members donated what $5000 (?), what return did we see? Don't know how much was raised, no one has really said, havent really read any decent reports on how he went/did or where the money was spent. Is this the way to receive money and report back to your sponsors?
Fact is, road racing aint a cheap sport, if you can't afford it, maybe you're in the wrong sport?

Hi Gav,
1)There are a bunch of Kiwi riders riding around on cost price product that I have supplied them through my buisiness

2) There is another Kiwi biker racing a very cheep GSXR 600

3) I recieve and send a bunch of emails/PM's to Kiwi bikers about bike set up etc

4) My door is always open to the Kiwi biker riders

5) Some times a little post likes yours can be very distructive!

6) Kiwi Biker got the very best race coverage this year with the sign written bikes,( I had the F3 bike painted in the colours as a way of saying thankyou) and a lot of Kiwi bikers came up to us in the pits at the races and had a good chat with Jason and myself

7) 5K, no way dude! $2500 of it goes to pay for the track hirage in June the 24th, some thing Speedmedic will be posting up soon

I hope this show's you what I have tried to give back to the Kiwi Biker team.

Have a good day.

[Racey Rider]

Well done Shaun and SM for giving calm informative replys.

It's important that everyone feels they can ask their questions if they have issues that they are unclear about. And a calm answer to help us understand is often all that is needed.
Cheers
Racey

[gav]

Thanks for the replies, Shaun and SM. Maybe this info could have been posted sooner, sorry $5K was a figure I plucked out of the air, hence the (?).
And thanks to your efforts with all the riders who have benefitted.
Glad to see that every one has come out of it happy. Whats next on the cards for Jason? Is he going to keep racing, Shaun or do you see the future backing younger talent?
What would be really great is some sort of academy that could get a young rider into racing maybe in Aus or the US or possibly an entry in World SuperSport? Maybe some sort of united effort from yourself, Shaun, with help from say Brian Bernard, Peter Fenton from Triple RRR, Andrew Stroud and Ray Clee. Maybe select one rider under say 23 or 25 years, and see if we could get a few wild card entries or even a few test ride slots. Surely the kiwi connection is still pretty strong in MotoGP and World Superbike behind the scenes?

[slowpoke]

Hmmmm, as a new KBer and returning Kiwi who has finally succumbed to the temptation of grippin' and rippin' it on the track (at my age I should know better) I've read quite a few of this sort of thread with a heavy heart. What's with the "Gimmee some money and I'll do good" attitude? Man, all this whining about "I'm not gonna compete 'cos I'll never have the money of the big boys" is just...embarrassing...and kind of pathetic.
You do something like this for the thrill of it and the sheer desire to test yourself. Sure, if you're any good and get towards the pointy end then your looking for the last few poofteenths that only money can buy.
But (there's always a but) sponsors want to see a throttle jockey who's prepared to make a few sacrifices and who's looking for ways to get the job done, not excuses why they aren't successful.
As for a lack of resources, are you kidding me? That's THE Shaun frikkin' Harris, IOM winner, just a few posts back, who's VOLOUNTEERING huge amounts of knowledge that money can't buy! And people are baggin' this guy? Like I said it's just embarrassing...
I emailed Tony Rees from WA with a pissant question a while back and the guy was back to me within 24 hrs...these guys are INVALUABLE! Use them, include them, appreciate them for what they've done and what they can STILL do.
I know I've stretched the bounds of this topic but it shames me (us) that we disrespect people who have been there and put in the hard yards and acheived incredible results while some people (KBers included) throw rocks from the safety of their couch.
Back to the topic, I see the short answer to the sponsorship enigma like this: it's all down to impressing the right people, with the right attitude, the right results and the right presentation.

[FROSTY]

slowpoke -Maybee I'm reading summat different from you but Ive never seen a KB racer say "give me some money or I can't race"
You have to accept this is an expensive sport --I did what I believe is a realistic breakdown on what a season costs.
NO woe is me because I for one accept that if the price gets too high I could stop -it is a sport after all
I think the point of this thread is that any racer seeking sponsorship needs to look down all avenues.
Im doing so

[Shaun]

Thanks for the replies, Shaun and SM. Maybe this info could have been posted sooner, sorry $5K was a figure I plucked out of the air, hence the (?).
And thanks to your efforts with all the riders who have benefitted.
Glad to see that every one has come out of it happy. Whats next on the cards for Jason? Is he going to keep racing, Shaun or do you see the future backing younger talent?
What would be really great is some sort of academy that could get a young rider into racing maybe in Aus or the US or possibly an entry in World SuperSport? Maybe some sort of united effort from yourself, Shaun, with help from say Brian Bernard, Peter Fenton from Triple RRR, Andrew Stroud and Ray Clee. Maybe select one rider under say 23 or 25 years, and see if we could get a few wild card entries or even a few test ride slots. Surely the kiwi connection is still pretty strong in MotoGP and World Superbike behind the scenes?

Hi Gav, not sure about Jason's future at the moment mate, I/WE supported Jason because he is a fantastic racer and a bloody good bloke who needed a bit of a leg up to get is life started started again, so to all the donated to the cause, A BIG THANKYOU, mission acomplished!

I am personally interested in helping the future, take a look at what Peter Jones and a bunch of others are doing in the Sth Island with young riders, I watched all there races at Ruapuna, and if I had 3 more SV 650 machines I would get 3 of those young riders and help guide them.

As far as international plans support goes, last year I helped to get Dominic Jones to the USA, he has made the decision to return to the states next month I believe, Dom is only just 21. I would love for him to do this year in the States and then for 2007 to go to the WSB races in the production 1000 class for under 23 year old riders.

We all have a massive passion for our sport, but for a lot of riders there spare time is takin up with Family and work to pay the bills of life, so that does not leave a lot of time to try to help/guide/manage other riders future.

I have done what I have done so far because when I first started racing I got fantastic support ( Very Lucky! Thanks to Road and Sport motorcycles Hamilton) I said to myself that I would not leave our sport without putting back into it what I took out, I have now done that and could stop racing tomorrow? if I did not want to race any more!

Moto-Dynamix is currently working with a good PR company to try and find the funding to get a KIWI rider back into a world championship, any bloody class,just get a good young top Kiwi back out there.

I personaly would love to see the HPP funding that MNZ has access to saved up for 2 years and send one rider to do at least 3 wild card 600 races in the world Super sport class, who? Craig Shrrif- Hayden Fitzgerald -Dominic Jones Sam Smith and many more that are out there now, Chris Peris who raced in my team is doing that series now and holding his head up, Qualified in 15th place at the first round last week, so that proves that Kiwi's are good enough based on his results and others performance out there.

The problem is the new Kiwi attitude, I can't because:bash: :bash: :bash:

No Money
No contacts
etc etc etc, BULLSHIT

How did all the old hands get to go and race over seas,
1)they decided what they wanted to do,

2) they budgeted for what they could do

3) they went and did it

Sound easy, it is!

I arrived in Japan with $80 NZ dollars in my pocket and had to jump off a bus and run away because I could not pay for the full journey I was on to work on a horse farm, I ha a job to go to, I had no money and no race team.

The rest is history, the point to my dribble is

Kiwi's are now a bunch of soft C----! who are always looking to lay blame else where instead of putting up our own hands and getting on with he job, and that attitude makes it pretty hard for people from the old school to deal with.

Sorry if I rambled to much

[ManDownUnder]

<snip>
No Money
No contacts
etc etc etc, BULLSHIT

How did all the old hands get to go and race over seas,
1)they decided what they wanted to do,
2) they budgeted for what they could do
3) they went and did it

Sound easy, it is!

I arrived in Japan with $80 NZ dollars in my pocket and had to jump off a bus and run away because I could not pay for the full journey I was on to work on a horse farm, I ha a job to go to, I had no money and no race team.

The rest is history, the point to my dribble is

Kiwi's are now a bunch of soft C----! who are always looking to lay blame else where instead of putting up our own hands and getting on with he job, and that attitude makes it pretty hard for people from the old school to deal with.

Sorry if I rambled to much

No ramble mate - you've got my respect. In fact you'll get my business to if I knew what you did - and I'm not looking for a KB discount either.

That's how it's meant to be done...

[FROSTY]

Shawn.
maybee gav pulled things a bit off the mark but the point of this thread seems to be -finding sponsorship or a possible means to do so.
As I've posted elswhere there are clearly 3 options if ya wanna race
1) just dont race -cheapest/easiest option.
2) race within the budget you set from your own funds -thats what I and most of the club level racers i know are doing and realisticly will continue to do. I must say I havent heard anyone doing it moaning about the costs.
I must say though I believe setting a budget and calculating what is needed to stay within it is pretty important.
3)Get other people to help pay for it -
I also see young kiwi talent that with encouragement could go a long way.
They literally don't have the funds to take the step up.
So why not show them means to raise the extra funds --make themselves a saleable commodity.
My take on road racing in NZ is that unless we encourage young guys into it
its going to die. Or itll be old farts like me doing 1.20's round pukie thinking we're really fast

[Shaun]

No ramble mate - you've got my respect. In fact you'll get my business to if I knew what you did - and I'm not looking for a KB discount either.

That's how it's meant to be done...
__________________

Cheers! Moto-dynamix is ME! a one man band, very low over head costs.

I specialise in suspension work and accessories and mechanical repair and race bike building.

As per any motorcycle buisness I can supply any parts available to the NZ market, Pirelli and EBC is my favorite product to get out there.

[Shaun]

Shawn.
maybee gav pulled things a bit off the mark but the point of this thread seems to be -finding sponsorship or a possible means to do so.
As I've posted elswhere there are clearly 3 options if ya wanna race
1) just dont race -cheapest/easiest option.
2) race within the budget you set from your own funds -thats what I and most of the club level racers i know are doing and realisticly will continue to do. I must say I havent heard anyone doing it moaning about the costs.
I must say though I believe setting a budget and calculating what is needed to stay within it is pretty important.
3)Get other people to help pay for it -
I also see young kiwi talent that with encouragement could go a long way.
They literally don't have the funds to take the step up.
So why not show them means to raise the extra funds --make themselves a saleable commodity.
My take on road racing in NZ is that unless we encourage young guys into it
its going to die. Or itll be old farts like me doing 1.20's round pukie thinking we're really fast

There is no way to show them the way to raise funds, before any rider is going to get any support, they have to show the world what they are made of, do they really want this, are they prepared to go into serious dept to get there, are they prepared to work 2x full time jobs to pay for there addition, can they turn up to the track looking clean and tidy like the way a person representing a company should, are they going to spit the dummy when they crash. or do not get the results.

My way of doing just what you have asked is to help directly with the young riders, Dom Jones Chris Bramley and others

I have introduced them to people
I have helped teach them a bit about race set up and preperation
I have shown them a way to work on track plans

Apart from this it really is up to the rider to show us what they have got

The best way if people are serious about helping the young future riders is

1) 2-10 investors of say 7-10K
2) Choose a good rider to head up this team and then choose the riders to support
Go hard and plan well

[slowpoke]

slowpoke -Maybee I'm reading summat different from you but Ive never seen a KB racer say "give me some money or I can't race"
You have to accept this is an expensive sport --I did what I believe is a realistic breakdown on what a season costs.
NO woe is me because I for one accept that if the price gets too high I could stop -it is a sport after all
I think the point of this thread is that any racer seeking sponsorship needs to look down all avenues.
Im doing so
Sorry Frosty, my lil' brain fart there wasn't directed at the bikers like yourself who are the first to lend a hand or get involved or offer ideas (8 point sumthin posts a day...my fingers are sore just thinkin' about it!). Your, and people like you, obvious enthusiasm is sorely needed.
I'm in the process of returning after 15years in Oz and I've just been a bit disturbed at some of the negative attitudes I've seen on here and radiating from the biking fraternity in general.
I've spent nearly 10years in Western Australia where the local racers are seriously up against it due to the travel constraints/parts availability/only 1 track in WA etc trying to compete in the Eastern States. But talk to some of the young and not so young riders running raffles, doing overtime, staying with Ma and Pa etc trying to get a bit of extra dosh together to make another 4 day drive to Phillip Island just to finish 21st, and their excitement is infectious.
Even non-motorcyclists acknowledge that we are involved in an exciting sport so how hard can it really be to market ourselves individually AND as a whole. Forget getting Microsoft, Macdonalds etc involved, that is way outside the realms of possibility AT OUR LEVEL. We should be concentrating on getting Bill from Bills' (fill in appropriate business here) INVITED to the track and INCLUDED in the team (barbecue, beers, chat) and APPRECIATED for any assistance he may be able to provide. This could be in the form of useable services, services to raffle off, access to machinery/equipment, straight cash etc. And don't forget the public acknowledgement: tell your friends/colleagues, slap on the signage, send out the photo's for they guy to hang in his showroom/office.
We shouldn't be out there cap in hand begging for money...we should be offerring the opportunity for INVOLVEMENT. I know, it's frikkin' hard figuring out where the next set of tyres is going to come from but excitement is infectious so be POSITIVE and INCLUSIVE to both competitors and spectators (potential sponsors) alike.

[FROSTY]

Shawn I think You are one level above what Im thinking.
To use two KB racers as examples
KK and two smoke -Both showing tallent at club level but needing that boost up from club to national level.
Yep they are doing all they can to get there themselves but a bit of support from those around them -who are interested in their future can help.
Realisticly I think national level is where people get noticed by people like you and given they have proven themselves can be pulled into a team.

Slowpoke --dude i think its the nature of a forum like this that people do tend to"vent" their feelings.
Ive done my share of the down n outs--I remember when my engine blew up before the last round at taupo --I was gutted--and winged on and on about it--for a day anyhoo --then I found a motor -stretched the already stretched budget and the rest is history.

[FROSTY]

Theres a basic principle in sales --it goes --"feed the funnel"
The way it applies here is that for our sport to survive we need to introduce more people to it.
My aproach (and far from origonal aproach by the way)
is to get people along to track days -young and old -from 1000 track day ers there might be 100 who want to give racing a go.
From those 100 maybee 10 will go on to national level -from those 10 maybe just maybee 1 will be a world beater.
The second principle is that by having track days the pool of enthusiastic (sp) people to support these 10 national racers will increase.
-yEA iM A DREAMER I KNOW

[Shaun]

Shawn I think You are one level above what Im thinking.
To use two KB racers as examples
KK and two smoke -Both showing tallent at club level but needing that boost up from club to national level.
Yep they are doing all they can to get there themselves but a bit of support from those around them -who are interested in their future can help.
Realisticly I think national level is where people get noticed by people like you and given they have proven themselves can be pulled into a team.



This is exactually what I was talking about Frosty,

If there is any real talent out there it will be noticed, and it will be noticed sooner rather than later, why, because we all like a trier, some one who works hard and plays fair

KK and twosmoke have put the graft in and now there turn is coming

And next year it will be some one else's unless they really stand out

How many of these club level riders do you know that has 2 jobs?
How many of them have the fancy clothes and the kool hair cut?

I am not trying to be negative here, but I really get sick of hearing about how this and that rider cannot afford to do the sport they choise to take up.

[FROSTY]

I see plenty of club level racers with the "gears" but then they are happy doing what they are doing. They don't aspire to be the best.
I get your point about wanting it really bad and giving your all to get it
Anyhoo--2 jobs is for pussys--a real man can hold down 3 even 4

[Steve_R6R]

Sponsorship is esential in this sport, but reguardless of the level of support a racer gets, it is up to the individual rider to perform on the track. "I can't afford it" hides alot of other reasons not to race. or to give up racing. There are, I feel, two types of sponsors, 1: "within industry" sponsors who can provide knowledge and advice (such as Shaun) and your local motorcycle shop who can provide products at reasonable rates (cost plus abit), these guys have to eat as well so try not to screw too much money out of them. And 2: "outside industry" sponsors. These are the guys with the cash to put into something that they can see, be invoved with, and show off to their mates. You have to tell them how special you are, and how you can make them special as well, with just a bit of cash and some sign writting. You have to approach alot of people, take alot of knock backs, but with practice you will get better at convincing people to part with their cash.

[Brian d marge]

been following this thread, abit while I agree with the idea Just do it . ( last year at an Enduro I stuffed a rim and a tyre , but I thought well you get no prizes untill you cross that finish line !!!)
Came second. so the Just do it , I agree with

but the cap in hand , thing I would like to modify. Cap in hand , the world owes me a living ,,I cant do this cos it cost to much money ,,,

Dont come near me with that attitude. ( I am already surrounded by enough people who say cant ,,,dont need anymore )

But cap in hand , look I am doing this and will do this with or with out you ,,,but it would make my life easier if you could help

That I am all in favor off. An example Overseas racing

Take Japan as an example. I live just outside Tokyo ,, have a spare room, All the tools a mechanic would need ( as I am a Honda Mechanic ) a truck ... and Know a lot of people in the trade here. Including some suspension techs ( note watch a company called Nitron , the managing director is a very nice guy and has just bought a zx10 and given it to the boys to race at the 7 hour at Motegi ,,, Now is that an understanding fella or wot !!)

and would be more than happy to assist, Gav can tell you about how popular the St 600 class is here. ( did you watch those videos ? Gav?)

I am sure that there are people ALL over this world who would do the same thing.

Finally on another thread. Last night I QUICKLY checked how cheaply I could put together a decent F3 400
well using a Tj3 Yamaha one on trade me for 2500 nz and one here for 25000 yen * 4 days left so will double at least ) anyway I used kawasaki usd forks and a scruffy ohlins that I though may fit ( 35000 yen cheap )
anyway the whole lot came to 150 000 yen with out tyres 180 with a new set of Pilots ,

180 000 is about 2300 nz lets round it off to 5k for a bike that would be ( I think a good solid track bike and last for a couple of seasons )

So it can be done ( what race fairings too expensive , how about I come round your shop and push the broom , paint the walls , clean the dishes. for a few weekends ,,and we come to a deal on the fairings ..Just a thought ...)

:Oops: gone off on a ramble ( is there a section in pointless drivel Just for my posts ..its not my fault its this medicine that nurse keeps giving me .....)

Stephen

Ps Shaun what part of Hokiado did you live in ??

[gav]

That Yamaha F3 400 would be a good club bike and might just break into the top 5 at the national level.
Hey Shaun, do you know Brendon Gare, from Timaru? He was racing a ZXR400 along with Jon Lowther a few yaers back, then borrowed heavily a got a Corona GSXR600. Had some help from Grant Ramage and a bit of backing of Suzuki NZ, did quite well, think he may still hold the lap record for 600 Sport Productions here at Ruapuna (set 2003) Saw him at the Nationals, had to quit racing, just working his arse off to pay all the bills/credit card etc.
Respect to him and others in same situation. Jon Lowther too, man, full credit to him, he runs a tidy professional outfit and is a fine example to show what can be done on a limited budget. Don't think he gets alot of outside assistance. Shame Yamaha dont throw more money his way. At least Suzuki NZ really seem to get behind the guys racing Suzuki's, shame more manufacturers dont do the same, but thats another rant, sorry.....Opps, more negative feedback!

[Kwaka-Kid]

KK and twosmoke have put the graft in and now there turn is coming

And next year it will be some one else's unless they really stand out

How many of these club level riders do you know that has 2 jobs?
How many of them have the fancy clothes and the kool hair cut?

I am not trying to be negative here, but I really get sick of hearing about how this and that rider cannot afford to do the sport they choise to take up.

Haha its too true! But like, i am only racing for all the ladies i seen on WSBK the other week, thats wicked.. ahhhhhhh...


Heres a new Idea!! How about like.. say.. KB sponsor my mortgage, then i can buy tyres and good stuff for the bike! Also the rates, and other such crap! Give give give! :P woo hoo im full of new ideas, its just a pitty they are all self-centered and suck! haha. Nah, dont be mentioning the 2 bad initials KK around these parts, its that fly-boy on the 600 we need to push up! He is the rocket with the massive pair!

[Shaun]

I see plenty of club level racers with the "gears" but then they are happy doing what they are doing. They don't aspire to be the best.
I get your point about wanting it really bad and giving your all to get it
Anyhoo--2 jobs is for pussys--a real man can hold down 3 even 4

Just to clarify my comment about trend

I used this scenario as an example only of riders asking for help that are already wearing the help they needed

[roogazza]

If there is any real talent out there it will be noticed, and it will be noticed sooner rather than later, why, because we all like a trier, some one who works hard and plays fair

KK and twosmoke have put the graft in and now there turn is coming
And next year it will be some one else's unless they really stand out

I am not trying to be negative here, but I really get sick of hearing about how this and that rider cannot afford to do the sport they choise to take up.

Excellent !!!!!!! Things are the same as they were 35 yrs ago ! Get out there and do it. I totally agree , do it cos you love it and if you are any good , help will come. What happened to patience and doing your time ??? G.

[denill]

Shaun, your input to KB is invaluable. You 'have been there and done that' (and still doing it!) and for that very reason KBrs are listening to you....... So somewhere down the track what they are taking on board may well provide a return to road racing in the form of increased participation. It is after all a numbers game. The more participants, the greater the depth of talent. :clap: :clap:

BTW, awhile ago you wrote - "Chris Peris who raced in my team is doing that series now and holding his head up, Qualified in 15th place at the first round last week, so that proves that Kiwi's are good enough based on his results and others performance out there."
Isn't Chris a Canadian?? :confused: :confused:
Cheers
Bill

[k14]

BTW, awhile ago you wrote - "Chris Peris who raced in my team is doing that series now and holding his head up, Qualified in 15th place at the first round last week, so that proves that Kiwi's are good enough based on his results and others performance out there."
Isn't Chris a Canadian?? :confused: :confused:
Cheers
Bill
Yep he's a canadian but i think he was trying to show that the NZ riders are able to be up there with the best. Peris was consistently finishing in the top 5 in the nz champs so it goes to show that all of those top guys (sherrifs, fitzgerald, smith, jones et al) are capable of doing it on a world stage. :ride:

[Shaun]

Shaun, your input to KB is invaluable. You 'have been there and done that' (and still doing it!) and for that very reason KBrs are listening to you....... So somewhere down the track what they are taking on board may well provide a return to road racing in the form of increased participation. It is after all a numbers game. The more participants, the greater the depth of talent. :clap: :clap:

BTW, awhile ago you wrote - "Chris Peris who raced in my team is doing that series now and holding his head up, Qualified in 15th place at the first round last week, so that proves that Kiwi's are good enough based on his results and others performance out there."
Isn't Chris a Canadian?? :confused: :confused:
Cheers
Bill

Thanks Denill, I am only trying to give a bit back and trying to help younger riders not fall into the same mistakes that I made.

You know it will only take 20 enthusiasts to put up $500.00 dollards each ( Thats $ 1.40 per day) and there we have another rider/team with enough funding to go out and show us what they can do.

Have a nice day

[Quasievil]

Thanks Denill, I am only trying to give a bit back and trying to help younger riders not fall into the same mistakes that I made.

You know it will only take 20 enthusiasts to put up $500.00 dollards each ( Thats $ 1.40 per day) and there we have another rider/team with enough funding to go out and show us what they can do.

Have a nice day

Im into that, with a bit of exposure for QUASiMOTO leathers, fuck could even get branded matching leathers for the riders if needed

[Shaun]

Im into that, with a bit of exposure for QUASiMOTO leathers, fuck could even get branded matching leathers for the riders if needed


Quasievel. awsome! So now then, can you? Do you? Will you? make a tread based on this idea and deal with being the banker?

Mate, if one group runs with this simple idea we will see a chain reaction around the country, there is a huge bunch of NUTTERS on here that love bikes to the max!

This is not bludging money, nor begging for moey, it is a simple buisness transaction, you have something to sell and they want to be a part of it.

Have fun helping build a future for a new young rider

[Shade]

KK and twosmoke have put the graft in and now there turn is coming

How many of these club level riders do you know that has 2 jobs?
How many of them have the fancy clothes and the kool hair cut?



Hahah, Definately Not KK - -

A) KK has been working 2 jobs for as long as I remember
B) He usually comes around to my place and I cut his hair - bearing in mind we're mates and I have never cut hair before in my life, hahah :)

And yet havent heard him complain about money - Only the stories about "Bro, if i cant afford the nationals ill drive down in my van and sleep in it if need be. Dont care about accomodation!"

And then theres the
KK : "Yeh bro, crashed in the van at paeroa (2 yrs ago)
Shade : "What you have for dinner? Breakfast?
KK : "Loaf of bread bro!! Save money!"

[MadDuck]

Well Ill be damned. Aint it amazing the take that people have on an idea. I kinda started the thread knowing we have a hell of a lot of talented guys wantning to race needing some funding help.

OK they all aint going to be Valentino or Stroud... NO HEAR ME NOW they all aint going to be that fast but hey why not help some of them out.

I now have one word for that idea ...BACKFIRE!

I am more than happy to help with funding replacement leathers (as long as they Quasimoto) of said rider should that be needed.

[FROSTY]

Actually if its the rider Im thinking of --the leathers held up pretty darn well

[Kwaka-Kid]

but they had to be cut to shreds.

leathers/helmet/i think gloves.. wouldnt that be a nice "welcome back to racing" present. it would make him keen enough to come along on the 1st! :)

[FROSTY]

I agree with that logan :woohoo:

[Quasievil]

Quasievel. awsome! So now then, can you? Do you? Will you? make a tread based on this idea and deal with being the banker?

Mate, if one group runs with this simple idea we will see a chain reaction around the country, there is a huge bunch of NUTTERS on here that love bikes to the max!

This is not bludging money, nor begging for moey, it is a simple buisness transaction, you have something to sell and they want to be a part of it.

Have fun helping build a future for a new young rider

Hey Shaun good to met you yesterday love the workshop could have spent hours there mate, thanks for the new Ohlins shock to will fit it tonight !!

Yeah Im in , I have one set of racing leathers here and they are truly awesome, they were intended for yours truly but that situation is about to change. I can Kit out very nicely any Racer for all excluding Helmets.

At this point Im in this for the longer than long term, I do need to make my decisions on a business basis however from here on in as I have tax issues to deal with now as well as other Business pressures, Ive had a bit of a play to this point but things are going to get a bit more serious, so in saying that I am definately keen to sponsor but its about return on investment now also.

loving the help people are wanting to give as above, we will organise this via pm yeah ? .... Im in

[Shaun]

Hi Quasi, dam fine to meet you and Ray yesterday as well, PS the william for the Ohlin's is in the post, ha ha.

I was very pleased that yourself and Ray thought the idea of Moto-Dyamix doing customer mechanical work on a pick up and return system was a good one, I suppose this will give the road riding customers another choice of person/ company to send there work to.

Re sposorship idea's, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this, I truly believe it is the easiest way for young up and coming riders to get some help, maybe we can brainstorm together to make it happen.

Big thanks to the starter of this topic.

[MadDuck]

Hey Shaun good to met you yesterday love the workshop could have spent hours there mate, thanks for the new Ohlins shock to will fit it tonight !!

Yeah Im in , I have one set of racing leathers here and they are truly awesome, they were intended for yours truly but that situation is about to change. I can Kit out very nicely any Racer for all excluding Helmets.

At this point Im in this for the longer than long term, I do need to make my decisions on a business basis however from here on in as I have tax issues to deal with now as well as other Business pressures, Ive had a bit of a play to this point but things are going to get a bit more serious, so in saying that I am definately keen to sponsor but its about return on investment now also.

loving the help people are wanting to give as above, we will organise this via pm yeah ? .... Im in

Well I cant ride for shit but maybe I can help with the tax and accounting issues :spudwave:

[MadDuck]

Ok I am done with trying to offer help.

I know guide dogs and IHC would welcome my efforts. You have given me no incentive to invest.

[Quasievil]

Ok I am done with trying to offer help.

I know guide dogs and IHC would welcome my efforts. You have given me no incentive to invest.

Hi Madduck, dont you want to tell me what size gloves you want, you won that auction remember ?

[Racey Rider]

...I kinda started the thread knowing we have a hell of a lot of talented guys wantning to race needing some funding help.

OK they all aint going to be Valentino or Stroud... NO HEAR ME NOW they all aint going to be that fast but hey why not help some of them out.


Sorry to hear your offer hasn't been followed up MadDuck.
But If the Auckland boys & girls aren't on the ball enough to grab your hand and shake it,, I Will!

I have one Major sponsor for my Streetstock races sorted, but are still looking for a Major sponsor of my F3 races as I will swap flaring between races. Also sponsorship on my Leathers is available. It would be nice to have Decent leathers one day, as my cheap ones have only single stitching which has proved to pull apart in crashes. Luckily, on the 150 I'm not going that fast to make it a real problem yet, (fingers crossed).

My immediate needs your sponsorship money would be spent on are:
New Front tyre for the KR150.
Fuel money for getting to these events (tracks are 3 hours from me on average)
Cost of practice days.

Future needs:
Decent Leathers
GP125 bike :whistle:

Tell me where to find your business website (I don't know what you do sorry), and I'll send you a Sponsorship Proposal in the post with your signage options, (Re: the Vic club Winter Superbike series). Can also give you a name to ring for a Sponsor reference. PM me if your interested, And we'll see what others thing I can do to promote your business.

My Dream (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=20601) for 06 - Make your race watching More exciting. Be a part of it! :hug:
Be Part of My Dream!
(Dam that sounds Corny )

Cheers
Racey.

PS. A Bit Of Balance
Racing is my Hobbie, and I am not putting my hand out expecting KB'ers to support me, why should they?
This post is just in reply to MadDucks offer in the hope of a mutually beneficial transaction.