wanker bike shops!!!!

[Slapnuts]

I am spewing :puke: bloody wanker bike shops. I was booked in to go for my full licence March 6th 12:45pm ($115.00 later:slap:), all set to borrow a bike from the local bike shop, dude at the shop said "give us a couple of days notice before your test so i can make sure the bike is ready", sweet, or so i thought. I rang a week before, then last Friday, and again Monday morning and confirmed i would be picking up the bike at 12:30. Well i get there at 12:35, giving myself 10mins to atach the L plate and get to know the bike, i stroll into the shop, dude says " Hey, hows it going, the bikes just down at the VTNZ getting a warrent, it'll be about half an hour" i said "thats great, my tests in five minutes" to which he replied " oh.....umm.... i thought it was 1:30pm" i said "FUCK!!!!" and asked to borrow the phone. To cut a long story short, i couldn't go for my licence as i didnt get the bike, and the testing officer wouldn't wait half an hour, i explained that i had been riding for 17 years and the licence was a formality, and that i had a ZX9R that was legal and if i could use that. Well she went and made a phone call and came back with a big fat NO. So i would just like to say hi :finger: to the motorcycle shop (you know who you are) and Fuck you very much!:bash:

[imdying]

Small claims court, you can recoup your costs from the shop :) (if you think you can prove it, and have a case)

/edit: Actually, proof isn't the big thing, essentially you only have to convince the adjudicator that you're telling the truth... asumming they dispute the whole 'I'll pick it up at 12:30' thing.

[Str8 Jacket]

/edit: Actually, proof isn't the big thing, essentially you only have to convince the adjudicator that you're telling the truth... asumming they dispute the whole 'I'll pick it up at 12:30' thing.

Im not disagreeing with you, but would he have to had paid the shop money for borrowing the bike before proceeding with small claims?... Its just that he didnt mention that he was or had paid the shop any $$? Cause if it was just a "lender" free of charge they may not be liable to pay for the costs of the licence....?

[marty]

so it's the bike shop's fault that you gave yourself 10 minutes, after 17 years of procratinating, to pick up, ride, and get settled onto a brand new bike on which to sit a test?

whatever. how much did you pay the bike shop to have the bike ready on time?

[imdying]

Im not disagreeing with you, but would he have to had paid the shop money before proceeding with small claims?... Its just that he didnt mention that he was or had paid the shop any $$?Indeed, I have assumed that he prepaid :)

[Str8 Jacket]

Indeed, I have assumed that he prepaid :)

Yeah, i'd assumed that too, however all he said was that he'd got a lender, in which case if he wasnt paying the shop for getting the warrant etc then its really all his own fault....

[imdying]

I actually thought this might have been another Casbolts thread :lol:

Ten minutes would be heaps though... I'm certain that most riders here could take their test on any 250 with minimal seat time to aquaint themselves and pass no problems at all. Regardless, that he booking it, and then reconfirmed it, and still it wasn't ready isn't his fault. imho of course.

[ManDownUnder]

so it's the bike shop's fault that you gave yourself 10 minutes, after 17 years of procratinating, to pick up, ride, and get settled onto a brand new bike on which to sit a test?

whatever. how much did you pay the bike shop to have the bike ready on time?

Time is NOT the issue here.

The bike was due to be at the shop, arrangements were made (and paid for) on that basis... not good.

See if they can make it up somehow. Get you some kit as cost... so you save as much as you lost... and get some good gear out of it - it's a win win...

Don't get aggro if you can avoid it.

[imdying]

Yeah, i'd assumed that too, however all he said was that he'd got a lender, in which case if he wasnt paying the shop for getting the warrant etc then its really all his own fault....Ahh, I've had a few friends need 250s to do licenses on, they've all have to more or less 'rent' a bike. Makes a difference if it was 'lent' though.

[Slapnuts]

Im not disagreeing with you, but would he have to had paid the shop money for borrowing the bike before proceeding with small claims?... Its just that he didnt mention that he was or had paid the shop any $$? Cause if it was just a "lender" free of charge they may not be liable to pay for the costs of the licence....?
They were gonna charge me $30 for the lend.

[Str8 Jacket]

Post edited. Sorry Slapnuts I was wrong. So yeah you should probably have a wee word to them and try to come to some compromise like MDU said.....

[Slapnuts]

so it's the bike shop's fault that you gave yourself 10 minutes, after 17 years of procratinating, to pick up, ride, and get settled onto a brand new bike on which to sit a test?

whatever. how much did you pay the bike shop to have the bike ready on time?
You sound like you have a bike shop. its the bike shops fault after telling them three times that i needed the bike at 12:45pm on the 6th of March, INCLUDING THE SAME DAY!

[DemonWolf]

/RantModeOn I normally dont rant and rave.. but I'll just put my 2c in.. that the testing stations don't try and reschedule as much as they could IMHO. well its been my case they dont.. nor try to even. /RantModeOff

[marty]

i disagree. time is the whole issue. i just don't think that 15 minutes is enough to sort out any little problems that may have eventuated. what if it did have a wof, but one of the bulbs was blown? 5 minutes dicking around would ensue.

no i don't own a bike shop, i just don't agree with the slagging off of the bike shop after they appear to have been doing what seems to have been a favour. if he had have rung them 30 minutes earlier just to triple check, if the occasion was so important, then this conversaion would be 'woohoo! got my restricted!!'

[Slapnuts]

Small claims court, you can recoup your costs from the shop :) (if you think you can prove it, and have a case)

/edit: Actually, proof isn't the big thing, essentially you only have to convince the adjudicator that you're telling the truth... asumming they dispute the whole 'I'll pick it up at 12:30' thing.
Not looking at small claims, just pissed off a some peoples lack of competence.

[skelstar]

Just say that you didnt appreciate the poor organisation. Say that you would appreciate some sort of compensation, "you dont want a poor reputation from this". You know a LOT of bikers now.

[skelstar]

THe bike shop were doing it for $30 werent they? And some possible future business?

[Slapnuts]

Post edited. Sorry Slapnuts I was wrong. So yeah you should probably have a wee word to them and try to come to some compromise like MDU said.....
The only thing is that i am a good customer, i buy all my parts through them and have gone on rides with them... i was just venting some anger, and very disapointed.

[imdying]

I see what you're saying marty, but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to hire a bike for the expressed purpose of his license test, to expect a warranted, and warrantable, bike to be waiting for him at the specified time. He had double checked, and was paying for the service.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for them to cough up the license test fee, less the hire of the bike, which they could supply free next time. Don't know how big the town is though, sometimes not worth burning your bridges.

[Str8 Jacket]

I can understand your frustration! However you may want to remove the shops name from the first post if you dont wanna cause any harm etc... Just a thought.

[marty]

but he made it clear that he was BORROWING the bike - not hiring it.

[Lou Girardin]

/RantModeOn I normally dont rant and rave.. but I'll just put my 2c in.. that the testing stations don't try and reschedule as much as they could IMHO. well its been my case they dont.. nor try to even. /RantModeOff

The reason they don't reschedule is that it too lucrative not to. The testers, the company and the LTNZ get two fees for a missed test.

[DemonWolf]

Yeah Lou.. I know.. and have experienced it. I think its rather poo... surely there's something about the fair trading act of not receiving services that should be dealt to.. but meh.. I'm not the one to argue and have them tell me ya failed.... who audit these guys anyhow.... /rambleoff

[imdying]

Sadly, he essentially decided not to use the service (test) he paid for, not their fault.

(Yeah, I know that's not the case, but think about how they see it)

[Goblin]

The reason they don't reschedule is that it too lucrative not to. The testers, the company and the LTNZ get two fees for a missed test.
Too true! My mate was busted for wrong class of licence on his Hardley but was given 2 weeks grace. He booked in to sit his riding test....had the bike all ready but was 3 minutes late. The tester said he was too late and told him he'd have to book another time and pay again. The next time he could book in was after the date the cop had allowed him to get his licence so he had to pay the fine as well as two tests. :spudgrr:

[Lou Girardin]

...had the bike all ready but was 3 minutes late. The tester said he was too late and told him he'd have to book another time and pay again. :spudgrr:

3 minutes?
We worked on 5 to 10 minutes grace depending on the test. But if someone missed their full test, we could book a restricted and get two fees for the one appointment slot. Restricted's took a lot less time.
I don't think that this can still be done now, but it was quite a good little earner for all concerned.

[Ixion]

From the LTSA web site:



If you can't keep your test appointment, you must give at least two working days' notice. If you don't, or you are more than five minutes late, you'll have to re-book and pay the test fee again.


5 minutes grace.

[terbang]

Too true! My mate was busted for wrong class of licence on his Hardley but was given 2 weeks grace. He booked in to sit his riding test....had the bike all ready but was 3 minutes late. The tester said he was too late and told him he'd have to book another time and pay again. The next time he could book in was after the date the cop had allowed him to get his licence so he had to pay the fine as well as two tests. :spudgrr:

3 mins jeez what a bunch of dicks..!


From the LTSA web site:

If you can't keep your test appointment, you must give at least two working days' notice. If you don't, or you are more than five minutes late, you'll have to re-book and pay the test fee again.

5 minutes grace.

I'd be ramming this down the testers neck (or up his ass) whilst asking for my money back...

[slopster]

I nearly had the same thing happen (my own fault though). Was going to CBTA course in wellington. Borrowed my mates bandit 250 and rode it to wellington. It had a warrent sticker when I left palmerston north but not when I arrived. Andrew from roadsafe was good about it - but still only gave me ten minutes to get another one. I must have just about broken every road rule getting down to a testing station (fortunately they just printed off another cos it hadn't expired) and back just in time for the practical phase.

[Goblin]

...but it was quite a good little earner for all concerned.
Which amounts to GREED!

Bunch of dicks is right!! I've boycotted the place.

[CLEAN CUT]

I am spewing :puke: bloody wanker bike shops. I was booked in to go for my full licence March 6th 12:45pm ($115.00 later:slap:), all set to borrow a bike from the local bike shop, dude at the shop said "give us a couple of days notice before your test so i can make sure the bike is ready", sweet, or so i thought. I rang a week before, then last Friday, and again Monday morning and confirmed i would be picking up the bike at 12:30. Well i get there at 12:35, giving myself 10mins to atach the L plate and get to know the bike, i stroll into the shop, dude says " Hey, hows it going, the bikes just down at the VTNZ getting a warrent, it'll be about half an hour" i said "thats great, my tests in five minutes" to which he replied " oh.....umm.... i thought it was 1:30pm" i said "FUCK!!!!" and asked to borrow the phone. To cut a long story short, i couldn't go for my licence as i didnt get the bike, and the testing officer wouldn't wait half an hour, i explained that i had been riding for 17 years and the licence was a formality, and that i had a ZX9R that was legal and if i could use that. Well she went and made a phone call and came back with a big fat NO. So i would just like to say hi :finger: to phils motorcycle centre in Matamata and Fuck you very much!:bash:
JUST ANOTHER CONFUSED SOUL WHO THINKS THE WORLD OWES ONE A LIVING...THE GUY IN THE BIKE SHOP HAD NOTHING TO DO OF COURSE AND WAS WAITING FOR YOU. AS FOR MENTION OF SMALL CLAIMS, THIS IS VERY OFTEN A VEHICLE FOR PEOPLE TO TRY IT ON....

[imdying]

He is quite entitled to try for compensation if he is out of pocket due to someone elses inability to organise their business efficiently. Litigation is a fairly drasitic route, but one he's entitled to take. Your implication that the guy in the bike shop was busy isn't a fair comment, he could've stated that when the enquiries were first made, and our man would've been able to make other arrangements. Of couse he couldn't have known if he was to be busy on that particular day, but surely with his years of experience a little preplanning wouldn't be beyond him?

[CLEAN CUT]

He is quite entitled to try for compensation if he is out of pocket due to someone elses inability to organise their business efficiently. Litigation is a fairly drasitic route, but one he's entitled to take. Your implication that the guy in the bike shop was busy isn't a fair comment, he could've stated that when the enquiries were first made, and our man would've been able to make other arrangements. Of couse he couldn't have known if he was to be busy on that particular day, but surely with his years of experience a little preplanning wouldn't be beyond him?

THE GUY HAS SHOWN HIS PEDIGREE WITH THE STRING OF EXPLETIVES AND BAD MOUTHING AND YOU HAVE JUST GOT NO IDEA OF HOW BUSY AND STRESSED PERSONNEL IN BIKE SHOPS GET. IT IS NOT A CASE OF INABILITY, IT IS A CASE OF TOO MUCH WORK, TOO FEW AVAILABLE HOURS AND NOT BEING EASY TO RECRUIT SUITABLE STAFF BECAUSE YEARS OF THE NANNY STATE IS BREEDING A NATION OF USELESS PLONKERS. BUT I DONT EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU ARE A CIVIL SERVANT OR A TEACHER OR SOMETHING EVEN WORSE.....

[Lazy7]

THE GUY HAS SHOWN HIS PEDIGREE WITH THE STRING OF EXPLETIVES AND BAD MOUTHING AND YOU HAVE JUST GOT NO IDEA OF HOW BUSY AND STRESSED PERSONNEL IN BIKE SHOPS GET. IT IS NOT A CASE OF INABILITY, IT IS A CASE OF TOO MUCH WORK, TOO FEW AVAILABLE HOURS AND NOT BEING EASY TO RECRUIT SUITABLE STAFF BECAUSE YEARS OF THE NANNY STATE IS BREEDING A NATION OF USELESS PLONKERS. BUT I DONT EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU ARE A CIVIL SERVANT OR A TEACHER OR SOMETHING EVEN WORSE.....

has one of the mods banned WINJA's account?

[Shadows]

Well I know if it was my business, and we'd definately made the fuck up, I would have lent him another 250 off the floor with apologies.
You should always look after your customers, you can't survive without them.

[Ixion]

The bike shop dude admitted he made a mistake, thought the required time was 1:30 not 12:30. Nothing to do with being too busy.

Bike shop stuffed up and SHOULD make it right. BUT, in strict law there is a thing called "time being of the essence". And unless that is SPECIFICALLY spelled out, and the contracting party (bike shop) agrees to accept liability for consequential damage, the hirer may be shit out of luck.

In effect the bike shop can say "Well, you can still hire the bike, time just starts and finishes an hour later. Too bad that you needed it earlier, our deal was for X hours hire, you can still have that". To overcome that you have to have specific agreement by the parties.

Not very good planning by the shop though. What if the bike had failed its WoF ?

IMHO the shop has a moral, but not perhaps legal obligation to reimburse the hirer.

EDIT: IANAL, and my memory of contract law is dim, and I can't find my contract law textbook. But we have a couple at least of legal beagles here who may comment (from memory Mr Henry DorsetCase and Mr Phurball at least)

[Ixion]

,,, TOO FEW AVAILABLE HOURS AND NOT BEING EASY TO RECRUIT SUITABLE STAFF BECAUSE YEARS OF THE NANNY STATE IS BREEDING A NATION OF USELESS PLONKERS. ,,,.

Bet you'd get 50 members from this site, and not all plonkers who'd jump at the chance of a job in a bike shop. Tried paying a fair wage ?

[Lazy7]

I've always said my dream job would be working in a motorcycle shop that sold size 8 bikini's and beer...

but i am a plonker. :buggerd:

[Lou Girardin]

Which amounts to GREED!

Bunch of dicks is right!! I've boycotted the place.

You could say that. But if someone is late and another person is ready and willing for a test, what do you do?
It's when they knock you back for 2 or 3 minutes late that it becomes corrupt.

[Lou Girardin]

AND YOU HAVE JUST GOT NO IDEA OF HOW BUSY AND STRESSED PERSONNEL IN BIKE SHOPS GET...

Oh yeah, I'm just sooooo busy and stressed, I don't know how I get through the day.:zzzz:
But if I say I'll do something, I'll do it.

[marty]

personally, i would have been in the shop the day before, making sure that it was ready - NOT just phoning them. oit's not like matamata is a big place that takes an hour to get across. if it neded a wof for MY purposes, then I would have taken it down - not have other people run round after me - there is little value or reward for someone when they are doing something as a favour for someone they are not family or good mates with, so expediting something (in this case the WOF) had nothing to do with the bike shop being busy, and everything to do with excerting the minimum required energy for the desired outcome. often, the busier the shop, the better organised it is, and the more work that gets done.

bottom line, IMHO, is that slapnuts fucked around and procrastinated for 17 years on his learners, probably got a ticket for breaching it, so is on a timeline to upgrade, but, after relying on people to run around and do things for him for 'favours' has been found wanting, and now wants to divert the blame.

[imdying]

<drivel snipped> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU ARE A CIVIL SERVANT OR A TEACHER OR SOMETHING EVEN WORSE........ maybe, I don't know educated or intelligent?! Must be something different between us, I mean I've got enough brain cells to rub together to be able to work a caps lock key :lol: I'd be keen to know what goes on in your little dream world though... you sound like you could work for Casbolts :P

Marty, your bottom line has an unusual conclusion. You still seem to think it was some favour being done. It was business, in this case, a rental. You keep mumbling about 17 years to book a test, but where's the relevance? The bike shop should only rent bikes in a timely matter to people who've had their learners for less than 2 years? 3 years? I don't understand why you think it makes a difference?

I've no idea what the legal standing would be, but the strict rule of law doesn't necessarily hold in the Disputes Tribunal (ne Small Claims). The adjudicator will make a ruling that they see as fair based upon the evidence. That may be a full or partial compensation, or no compensation at all. Before you can take that road though, they do require you to at least try and resolve the issue outside of the judiciary system.

[onearmedbandit]

+1 for imdyings post.

[marty]

all set to borrow a bike from the local bike shop,

am i missing something here?

[imdying]

'They were gonna charge me $30 for the lend.'

Naw, just his terminology is different. I do see your point though, if he was merely borrowing it free of charge, then it isn't a business transaction, it's a favour. If that were the case, then they're bastards, but certainly not liable (imho).

[marty]

ok i concede the $30 - i missed that post.

interestingly though - shouldn't a 'hire' bike be subject to a COF, not a WOF?

[imdying]

A very good point... beyond my knowledge though.

[Finn]

He is quite entitled to try for compensation if he is out of pocket due to someone elses inability to organise their business efficiently.

Well fuck me. If this was they way of the world, I'd have a full time team of lawyers working for me. With very little exception, the quality of service in NZ is useless at the best of times. There are very few efficient businesses in NZ and it pays to have very low expectations.

The exception to my poor service comment is Mr Discount for KB'ers Girardin.

[Motu]

Hire bikes need a CoF,but a loaner doesn't...loop holes.I'm with Marty on this one...the shop cocked up and got the time wrong,but if it was me going for my licence on a loaner I'd be kinda excited and be there early,get a bit of time in on the bike.The original posters laid back ''the world's doing it all for me'' attitude back fired on him this time.He needs to be proactive in his quest for a licence,''she'll be right'' is for losers.

[imdying]

There are very few efficient businesses in NZ and it pays to have very low expectations.So true, so true.

[Lou Girardin]

Any bike rented for hire or reward must have a COF and appropriate usage registration. 'Test rides' are different.
Thanks Finn, love you too.:hug:

[Sniper]

Bugger, let us know if you are able to recoup the loss from the bike shop

[Finn]

Thanks Finn, love you too.:hug:

Does that mean I get the brother love discount on those Spidi's when they're in stock?

[Lou Girardin]

Does that mean I get the brother love discount on those Spidi's when they're in stock?

Look Finn, there's no nice way to say this, so I'll just be direct. You're a tad boring in the sack, so we'll have to call it a day.
Don't feel too bad, it's not me, it's you.

[Shaun]

Look Finn, there's no nice way to say this, so I'll just be direct. You're a tad boring in the sack, so we'll have to call it a day.
Don't feel too bad, it's not me, it's you.


Now that is honesty from within the trade for ya:first:

[Lou Girardin]

It casts a whole new light on the "f'in dealer screwed me" doesn't it?

[Finn]

Look Finn, there's no nice way to say this, so I'll just be direct. You're a tad boring in the sack, so we'll have to call it a day.
Don't feel too bad, it's not me, it's you.

Lou, I was in it just for the discount. And for your information I faked it and I was lying when I said having one testicle was sexy.

[vs04]

Lou, I was in it just for the discount. And for your information I faked it and I was lying when I said having one testicle was sexy.
Now that,s funny:rofl: :rofl:

[CLEAN CUT]

So true, so true.
Thats because there are so many monkeys, including those being paid more than peanuts.Its hard for employers to find staff that have a solid protestant work ethic and dont have a problem with mind and mood altering substances. It also seems to me that NZ has become grievance and compensation crazy, just how profitable do the worst forum kneejerks think motorcycle shops are for gods sake? Especially after the ''Bitch of Belsen'' and her short upstart sidekick take their pound of flesh in taxes and other forms of legalised theft.

[CLEAN CUT]

COME TO THINK OF IT, MANY OF OUR CURRENT PROBLEMS ARE CREATED BY BUTCH WOMEN WITH BAD TEETH AND BY SHORT PEOPLE WITH BIG EGO's.

[Lou Girardin]

.Its hard for employers to find staff that have a solid protestant work ethic and dont have a problem with mind and mood altering substances.

I have a (non-practicing) Catholic work ethic. Does that count?
I also find that going to work and coming home can be mood altering.

[Turtle]

Unbeleivable wat jerkoffs are out there....
I heard about this today but this guy forgets to mention that he goes to this bike shop pretty much without even knowing them and asks to borrow a bike for his license and the bike shop tryin to do the right thing offers him the use of a bike (which was a lender..no charge involved) just tryin to help a local guy out.He turns up at the last minute without a thought that they have probaly been busy enough without running around putting wofs on bikes just for his benefit & at there exspense....Man try & do some guys a favour and get kicked in the teeth for it. A lesson learnt for that bike shop I guess.

[CLEAN CUT]

Unbeleivable wat jerkoffs are out there....
I heard about this today but this guy forgets to mention that he goes to this bike shop pretty much without even knowing them and asks to borrow a bike for his license and the bike shop tryin to do the right thing offers him the use of a bike (which was a lender..no charge involved) just tryin to help a local guy out.He turns up at the last minute without a thought that they have probaly been busy enough without running around putting wofs on bikes just for his benefit & at there exspense....Man try & do some guys a favour and get kicked in the teeth for it. A lesson learnt for that bike shop I guess.

Yep you have got it in one, I hope the dealer tracks this slagging lowlife down at his place of work and openly questions the quality of his work, LOUDLY. Unless informed about it, the dealer has no ( invited ) opportunity to present his side of the story. AND THE OTHER JERKOFFS THAT JUMPED IN TO UNQUESTIONALLY SUPPORT THIS LIBELOUS LITTLE PRICK HELD THEIR OWN IMPROMPTU KANGAROO COURT. THESE GUYS SHOULD BE THOROUGHLY ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

[Lou Girardin]

Try reading ALL the thread guys. If you have trouble with concepts like PAYING $30 for the hire of the bike and phoning to confirm the arrangement, someone will explain what it means.

[imdying]

Well Slapnuts, Turtle (who's one post makes him an unknown quantity, but that aside) contradicts much of what you said... what say you?

[Finn]

I have a (non-practicing) Catholic work ethic. Does that count?


Does this mean that you get aroused when young boys are in the showroom but you don't practice sex with them?

[Paul in NZ]

Does this mean that you get aroused when young boys are in the showroom but you don't practice sex with them?

Lou dosen't need to practise any more.. He's pretty good already

[Mattyc]

personally, i would have been in the shop the day before, making sure that it was ready - NOT just phoning them. oit's not like matamata is a big place that takes an hour to get across. if it neded a wof for MY purposes, then I would have taken it down - not have other people run round after me - there is little value or reward for someone when they are doing something as a favour for someone they are not family or good mates with, so expediting something (in this case the WOF) had nothing to do with the bike shop being busy, and everything to do with excerting the minimum required energy for the desired outcome. often, the busier the shop, the better organised it is, and the more work that gets done.

bottom line, IMHO, is that slapnuts fucked around and procrastinated for 17 years on his learners, probably got a ticket for breaching it, so is on a timeline to upgrade, but, after relying on people to run around and do things for him for 'favours' has been found wanting, and now wants to divert the blame.


SHJOULD HAVE JUST GONE TO THE BIKESHOP THE NIGHT BEFORE AND STOLENS IT BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AHAH JOKES

[Lou Girardin]

Does this mean that you get aroused when young boys are in the showroom but you don't practice sex with them?

I'm not a Priest. Young boys or old Jews do not interest me.