Now that's service!

[magicfairy]

Ordered a new Jardine exhaust and K&N filter for my S40 (Savage) from www.onlineparts.com midday Wed NZ Time over the net. Couldn't get exhaust in NZ.

Got home last night - (Monday) to find package had arrived. And it was really well packed.
Wasn't even stopped in customs due to some serious undervaluing.

Pretty good I thought - 6 days to get from Nevada, USA to my house in Wellington, including the weekend. I've waited longer to get packages accross town.

My partner has also bought parts from them - and found the service to be excellent.

[skelstar]

Thats awesome.
Might have to have a browse there me thinks...

[magicfairy]

If you can't find what you are looking for online, just email them or if it is the right time of day you can get "live help". Just go to contact us and click LIVE HELP - a real person reponds. They stock heaps more than they list. For all types of bikes.

[Fishy]

Yeah its bloody awesome service alright. I got an exhaust from the states in a week too just a couple of weeks ago. Quicker than what most shops in NZ can get them by.

[Finn]

Ordered a new Jardine exhaust and K&N filter for my S40 (Savage) from www.onlineparts.com midday Wed NZ Time over the net. Couldn't get exhaust in NZ.

Got home last night - (Monday) to find package had arrived. And it was really well packed.
Wasn't even stopped in customs due to some serious undervaluing.

Pretty good I thought - 6 days to get from Nevada, USA to my house in Wellington, including the weekend. I've waited longer to get packages accross town.

My partner has also bought parts from them - and found the service to be excellent.

Well done but don't be surprised. This sort of service is the norm in the US but is only a dream in NZ. Unless of course you shop at AMPS. Get this, I ordered a clip on Micron, Power Commander and a K&N filter for my CBR1000 and they actually had it all in stock. Although Lou added 15% onto the price cause I said in a post that I had slept with his wife.

[Ixion]

Stop complaining. I've heard he adds on 50% if you've slept with his sheep. You were lucky he got the story wrong.

[Finn]

Yeah its bloody awesome service alright. I got a mail order Russian bride in a week too just a couple of weeks ago. Quicker than what most shops in NZ can get them by.

So how is she mate, still drinking you under the table?

[skelstar]

THey have a Shoei RF1000 Du Hammel for US$465. Im pretty sure a mate is buying one in NZ for $1000 (his will be a Shark admittedly).

edit - model and price changed

[Fishy]

So how is she mate, still drinking you under the table?

Yeah good mate, and yep still a thirsty bitch alright!.

I need to drop those tools around to you sometime soon, how does when the weather is a bit better and I will ride the bike to work and come over on it and show you the new pipe?.

[Finn]

Yeah good mate, and yep still a thirsty bitch alright!.

I need to drop those tools around to you sometime soon, how does when the weather is a bit better and I will ride the bike to work and come over on it and show you the new pipe?.

Sounds good. I live close to the city so maybe we could head out SH16 for a blat too.

[Fishy]

Sweet as, see how it all goes. I will keep an eye on the weather forecast and let you know a couple days in advance :done:

[Lou Girardin]

k. Although Lou added 15% onto the price cause I said in a post that I had slept with his wife.

She said you were a lousy shag and I should have put 50% on.

[CLEAN CUT]

Ordered a new Jardine exhaust and K&N filter for my S40 (Savage) from www.onlineparts.com midday Wed NZ Time over the net. Couldn't get exhaust in NZ.

Got home last night - (Monday) to find package had arrived. And it was really well packed.
Wasn't even stopped in customs due to some serious undervaluing.

Pretty good I thought - 6 days to get from Nevada, USA to my house in Wellington, including the weekend. I've waited longer to get packages accross town.

My partner has also bought parts from them - and found the service to be excellent.
YOU NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR SELFISH ACTIONS 1) YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED INCOME FOR YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, SOME WHO WORK IN THE MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.2) IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE PRODUCT(S) WHO IS GOING TO SORT IT OUT? 3) YOU AND YOUR SUPPLIERS HAVE COMMITTED FRAUD. 4) THE MORE PEOPLE THAT SELFISHLY DO THIS THE MORE NAILS IN THE COFFIN OF THE NZ MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.ETC ETC AD INFINITUM

OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO READILY GET IT IN NZ, 4 MILLION PEOPLE AND A HIGH PROPORTION OF THEM ON WELFARE ( SORRY, INCOME SUPPORT ) MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF CONSUMER PRODUCTS AND TOO FEW CONSUMERS IN THIS COUNTRY TO ECONOMICALLY JUSTIFY STOCKING THEM ALL. LEGITIMATE IMPORTERS HAVE TO PAY THE FULL WHACK OF GREEDY SOCIALIST TAX AND CLEARANCE CHARGES AND IT IS A REAL ANOMALY THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS DONT GET NAILED IN THE SAME WAY.
FRANKLY, YOU AND YOUR TYPE MAKE ME SICK.

[imdying]

1) Customs, shipping, internet service providers... maybe he gets better service from them, and he's happier keeping them employed...

2) It's an exhaust... steel tubing, and a K&N filter, a piece of mesh gauze (essentially). What exactly do you predict to go wrong with either of those parts? Any exhaust shop mug with a mig can fix a leak in that...

3) Fraud? lol... yes, that's right, parallel importing is fraud... :lol:

4) The NZ motorcycle industry is selling plenty of bikes, they're doing fine according to the trade papers that cross my desk at work once a month, perhaps it's only your business that has nails in the coffin?

So he can't get it in NZ, and can buy it cheaper from the States, with better delivery times, and you think he should buy it in NZ?

Frankly, you and your type make me laugh.

[onearmedbandit]

Clean cut, do you do anything other than go looking for an arguement. Out of 17 posts I've yet to see anything positive. Get a life.

[miSTa]

YOU NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR SELFISH ACTIONS 1) YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED INCOME FOR YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, SOME WHO WORK IN THE MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.2) IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE PRODUCT(S) WHO IS GOING TO SORT IT OUT? 3) YOU AND YOUR SUPPLIERS HAVE COMMITTED FRAUD. 4) THE MORE PEOPLE THAT SELFISHLY DO THIS THE MORE NAILS IN THE COFFIN OF THE NZ MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.ETC ETC AD INFINITUM

You're kidding right? The only thing the NZ motorcycle industry is concerned with is selling new bikes. End of story.

[Fishy]

YOU NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR SELFISH ACTIONS 1) YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED INCOME FOR YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, SOME WHO WORK IN THE MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.2) IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE PRODUCT(S) WHO IS GOING TO SORT IT OUT? 3) YOU AND YOUR SUPPLIERS HAVE COMMITTED FRAUD. 4) THE MORE PEOPLE THAT SELFISHLY DO THIS THE MORE NAILS IN THE COFFIN OF THE NZ MOTORCYCLE INDUSTRY.ETC ETC AD INFINITUM

OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO READILY GET IT IN NZ, 4 MILLION PEOPLE AND A HIGH PROPORTION OF THEM ON WELFARE ( SORRY, INCOME SUPPORT ) MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF CONSUMER PRODUCTS AND TOO FEW CONSUMERS IN THIS COUNTRY TO ECONOMICALLY JUSTIFY STOCKING THEM ALL. LEGITIMATE IMPORTERS HAVE TO PAY THE FULL WHACK OF GREEDY SOCIALIST TAX AND CLEARANCE CHARGES AND IT IS A REAL ANOMALY THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS DONT GET NAILED IN THE SAME WAY.
FRANKLY, YOU AND YOUR TYPE MAKE ME SICK.

Dude do you like living up to your name and not saving money?

[magicfairy]

YOU NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR SELFISH ACTIONS \
FRANKLY, YOU AND YOUR TYPE MAKE ME SICK.
I am appalled at this very personal attack. :gob: I can only hope it was in jest or you are some sort of loser that has nothing better to do than wind people up. :angry:

You know nothing about me or the sitution I was in. I tried about 5 different NZ suppliers and local bike shops when looking for this particular exhaust, or something that would do the job. None could help.
Those that did bother to respond to my requests all said they could not supply it and one actually suggested I buy online myself. Cycletreads.
Local bike shop would only sell me a Sportster muffler but I was told I'd have to buy 2 as they come in pairs - and then modify it in same way to fit, whereas the Jardine is designed to bolt straight on and is purpose built for the bike.

I also approached a local muffler manufacturer who told me that they did not supply exhausts for Cruisers, that I could wait a few months as they were looking to prototype one and when they did it would not be Chrome, but stainless steel and cost around $1000.

As for supporting local industry, I have bought 3 bikes thru 1 local bike shop, and one from another. Have purchased lots of goods online from Motomail. I have had seat modified by McDonalds and I always try and source locally.

And finally the local bike shop will benefit from me paying them to fit the exhaust and filter as well all the other work I am having done.

[CLEAN CUT]

You're kidding right? The only thing the NZ motorcycle industry is concerned with is selling new bikes. End of story.


Like your buddies who have also recently posted you just dont get the big picture, AT ALL. Your collective shallow thoughts in no small way exacerbate this whole buying offshore problem. Poor service??? Well you guys are helping to exacerbate it. Less revenue available to employ quality staff because of squeezed margins and greater tax and compliance burden on those poor souls who struggle to keep up with appalling workloads and stress..you guys are helping to create it. 600 or more New Zealanders leaving for Australia every week.

This forum is too often a vehicle for slagging dealers. Much of it may be justified but where serious mud slinging is not justified how does the dealer defend himself? Given only one side of the story it is just amazing how so many jump on the slagging bandwagon and start using catch crys such as ''small claims'', a mechanism that all too often is just as notorious as the DPB or grievance claims....to that end I might also use the word appalling.

And to shallowly say ''The only thing the NZ motorcycle industry is concerned with is selling new bikes'' is about as credible as Bill Clinton stating ''I did not have sex with that woman''

It is in fact you guys who are the real losers, in the end. Will you guys be here to turn the lights out or are you going to eventually bail offshore as well because of the conditions you are helping to create?

By the way my business is doing very nicely thankyou and would be able to employ more staff at better rates of pay if we had a more enlightened tax regime. That would be a positive....but reading your dull ill thought ramblings highlights the negatives.

[CLEAN CUT]

1) Customs, shipping, internet service providers... maybe he gets better service from them, and he's happier keeping them employed...

2) It's an exhaust... steel tubing, and a K&N filter, a piece of mesh gauze (essentially). What exactly do you predict to go wrong with either of those parts? Any exhaust shop mug with a mig can fix a leak in that...

3) Fraud? lol... yes, that's right, parallel importing is fraud... :lol:

4) The NZ motorcycle industry is selling plenty of bikes, they're doing fine according to the trade papers that cross my desk at work once a month, perhaps it's only your business that has nails in the coffin?

So he can't get it in NZ, and can buy it cheaper from the States, with better delivery times, and you think he should buy it in NZ?

Frankly, you and your type make me laugh.

If you are only riding a 9 year old Kwaka that kinda may indicate how many nails are in your business coffin????

[Virago]

If you are only riding a 9 year old Kwaka that kinda may indicate how many nails are in your business coffin????
And you are riding......?

[mstriumph]

actually a nine year old Kwaka [his] would appear to beat no bike at all [yours] ?.............

just a thought :corn:

[skidMark]

his big words confuse me and i think hes winjas alter someone get ride of him lol

[CLEAN CUT]

And you are riding......?


Thats hardly the point, but I could choose to venture out on the roads again on a brand spanker were it not for the wobbly unstable Jap import cars with brain dead drivers that litter our roads. You would also be riding a newer bike if you didnt pay so much tax and your wages werent kept artificially low. For such reasons the average age of motorcycles in NZ is appallingly old and frankly many of these are unsafe, the wof standards are frankly a croc.

Goodnight

[onearmedbandit]

Just happens to be trading that '9yr old Kawasaki' in for a brand new thou, seems to be doing pretty well myself. No doubt he would have done it earlier this year but he just paid for a wedding and bought a house.

[Virago]

.....You would also be riding a newer bike if you didnt pay so much tax and your wages werent kept artificially low.....
You seem to know a lot about us all....not. I don't earn wages, but I will clear close to six figures out of my business this year. I'm happy with my 16 year old Yamaha. And you're happy being a bikeless troll.....:laugh:

[Finn]

Thats hardly the point, but I could choose to venture out on the roads again on a brand spanker were it not for the wobbly unstable Jap import cars with brain dead drivers that litter our roads. You would also be riding a newer bike if you didnt pay so much tax and your wages werent kept artificially low. For such reasons the average age of motorcycles in NZ is appallingly old and frankly many of these are unsafe, the wof standards are frankly a croc.

Goodnight

See guys, I'm not so bad after all.

Clean Cut mate, if you're going to bed you forgot to turn the light off - you're still online.

[Virago]

See guys, I'm not so bad after all.

Clean Cut mate, if you're going to bed you forgot to turn the light off - you're still online.
I've just finished re-reading The Hobbit - apparently trolls must be safely out of sight before first light, or they turn to stone....

[Shadows]

Poor service??? Well you guys are helping to exacerbate it.

Fucking LOL!!!
It is because of the inherent poor service in the automotive sales and service industry in this country that offshore transactions occur.
The person who started the thread could not get satisfation locally because the businesses dealt with couldn't be fucked with the hassle of the extra work involved with import on a relatively low value transaction.
So people go elsewhere to get satisfaction because cunts like you are after the quick buck and couldn't give a shit about customer service if there isn't a big margin in it.

If you look after your customers they will look after you. So I hope you "clean cut" your losses when you business fails due to your fucked up attitude.

[miSTa]

Like your buddies who have also recently posted you just dont get the big picture, AT ALL.

It's you who doesn't get the big picture. Thanks to the Internet we now have a worldwide choice on where to spend our money and I will go where ever I get the products I want, the best service and the best value for money. That may or may not be NZ.

[imdying]

Ahhh Clean Cut, such a little troll, but having worked my way into a suitably comfortable job, I guess I've got a little time to spare to re-educate you. But first, top effot on whole caps lock thing, you're nearly where my 4 year old cousin is for keyboard control :third:

You try to correlate poor service, buying offshore, and appaling workloads and stress, but with no facts or evidence to back it up. Have you considered that poor service isn't the effect, but part of the cause of the trend towards offshore sales? Of course, the Internet has pushed us towards a global economy, and any trading business should recognise that.

I don't think you should really be commenting on credibility. Unless of course you've got the balls to actually say which business is your own, but I'm guessing not.

It's a natural trait for people to slag off things, more than they praise. That's not limited to KB or the Internet. If you didn't have your head up your ass you'd already know that. Having said that, there's been at least two threads recently that have been extolling the virtues of places with good service.

My poor old 9 year old Kawasaki. She's been a faithful servant, transporting to and from my classes for the last 4 years while I finished my Diploma and Degrees. I'll be sad to see her go, I don't even really want to sell it. But, Suzuki are doing great deals at the moment, and I think a big twin like the SV1000S will probably suit me fine. I make enough from my business to buy my fair share of toys every year, so I think it's going fine. Admittedly buying a house and getting married in the last 6 months has slowed my discretionary spending down, but that's life. But really, you don't even get to comment on bike ownership, you've not even got one. Not only that, but you're too much of a self admitted pussy to ride one because 'the roads are tooo dangerous, my porridge is tooo hot... waahh waahh waaaaa'.

Oh yeah, buy my bike guys, otherwise it'll sit in a shop, pining to be ridden!

[Fishy]

Like your buddies who have also recently posted you just dont get the big picture, AT ALL. Your collective shallow thoughts in no small way exacerbate this whole buying offshore problem. Poor service??? Well you guys are helping to exacerbate it. Less revenue available to employ quality staff because of squeezed margins and greater tax and compliance burden on those poor souls who struggle to keep up with appalling workloads and stress..you guys are helping to create it. 600 or more New Zealanders leaving for Australia every week.

This forum is too often a vehicle for slagging dealers. Much of it may be justified but where serious mud slinging is not justified how does the dealer defend himself? Given only one side of the story it is just amazing how so many jump on the slagging bandwagon and start using catch crys such as ''small claims'', a mechanism that all too often is just as notorious as the DPB or grievance claims....to that end I might also use the word appalling.

And to shallowly say ''The only thing the NZ motorcycle industry is concerned with is selling new bikes'' is about as credible as Bill Clinton stating ''I did not have sex with that woman''

It is in fact you guys who are the real losers, in the end. Will you guys be here to turn the lights out or are you going to eventually bail offshore as well because of the conditions you are helping to create?

By the way my business is doing very nicely thankyou and would be able to employ more staff at better rates of pay if we had a more enlightened tax regime. That would be a positive....but reading your dull ill thought ramblings highlights the negatives.

Mate you need to get a life!. This thread was started by someone who found great service and an excellent price from an overseas supplier - Its non of your fucken business where nor will you bullshit influence where anyone of us is going to purchase things from. :weird:

People are gonna buy things from overseas from time to time for whatever reasons....BIG DEAL! I personally do it myself and so do a lot of others, but I also do purchase things from our local stores too.

Just because someone got an awesome deal without supporting out local stores, doesn't give you the right to slag them off - you don't know them, you don't know their reasons behind doing so....I suggest you pull your head in and get a reality check!.

[CLEAN CUT]

Mate you need to get a life!. This thread was started by someone who found great service and an excellent price from an overseas supplier - Its non of your fucken business where nor will you bullshit influence where anyone of us is going to purchase things from. :weird:

People are gonna buy things from overseas from time to time for whatever reasons....BIG DEAL! I personally do it myself and so do a lot of others, but I also do purchase things from our local stores too.

Just because someone got an awesome deal without supporting out local stores, doesn't give you the right to slag them off - you don't know them, you don't know their reasons behind doing so....I suggest you pull your head in and get a reality check!.


CHEAP SHOTS GUYS, ESPECIALLY THE CRUDE REFERENCES AND EXPLETIVES THAT SHOW A NOTABLE LACK OF BREEDING.

YOU WANT YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND WOULD LIKELY SELL YOUR GRANDMOTHERS FOR SIXPENCE. YOU ARE A MERCENARY LOT, THAT IS VERY CLEAR.

[Shaun]

This guy sounds like a dealer I know very well from the Taranaki area, he uses very simillar wording and logic.

I hope it is not him, I used to like him

[miSTa]

CHEAP SHOTS GUYS, ESPECIALLY THE CRUDE REFERENCES AND EXPLETIVES THAT SHOW A NOTABLE LACK OF BREEDING.

Says the guy whose shouting in his posts by writing in caps :no:

[Pixie]

Market forces.
More and more people will buy on-line in the future.(Oops,sorry,I forgot to use New Speak) Going forward.
The retailers will have to provide service and the right price to compete.

[Pixie]

I've just finished re-reading The Hobbit - apparently trolls must be safely out of sight before first light, or they turn to stone....
And they really should stop hiding under bridges,waiting for billy goats to molest

[Bonez]

Says the guy whose shouting in his posts by writing in caps :no:No, it's WINJA's evil twin.

[imdying]

CHEAP SHOTS GUYS, ESPECIALLY THE CRUDE REFERENCES AND EXPLETIVES THAT SHOW A NOTABLE LACK OF BREEDING.Pfft breeding indeed... it can't have been that bad, at least his mummy taught him about capital letters. But don't worry mate, you can get the last laugh with your own mum. In fact, here's a tip. When your parents get married, make a speech at the wedding about what a horrible mum she was, and how you don't think the home schooling gave you the knowledge needed to run a successful business in today's market.

[onearmedbandit]

'Tis true, if the market moves a successful business must move with it.

[Kendog]

Hey Magicfairy, nice one chick!!:Punk: That place has some nice gear, may have to have a good look next time I need something, sooo much stuff, takes hours to look through their stock! Love your new pic too, you and Jim must have polished for hours, almost blinded me with the shine on your bikes!! :niceone: Keep up the good work. Must catch up for a ride soon, get my bike back next week.:done:
The Mrs.

[CLEAN CUT]

Pfft breeding indeed... it can't have been that bad, at least his mummy taught him about capital letters. But don't worry mate, you can get the last laugh with your own mum. In fact, here's a tip. When your parents get married, make a speech at the wedding about what a horrible mum she was, and how you don't think the home schooling gave you the knowledge needed to run a successful business in today's market.


I'm laughing at you guys, LOUDLY IN UPPER CASE.WHEN THE BRAIN DRAIN ACCELERATES EVEN FURTHER WHOS GOING TO BE AROUND TO FIX ALL OF YOUR PRIVATELY IMPORTED TOYS?:killingme :killingme

[kickingzebra]

What a lively game, Mines bigger than yours, blah blah blah.

Getting to know the local guys in a bike shop can be quite helpful, but what good is it totally slagging off everyone and everything? More love in the world man...

Maybe the dispute should be settled in the old way... Two razors and a handkercheif. Whoever cleanly shaves the opponent, and retains their beard shall be the winner!!

Sometimes it could be a lose lose for a shop to import a small ticket item, takes more time than its worth, and it could cost the purchaser an unhealthy premium in markups. Free markets equal equal opportunity, and of course the possibility of all sorts of negative, but tariffs, import duties etc aren't exactly a great way forward, which country says, yay, lets be like france!!!

A buyers market is traditionally better for a healthy economy.

My economics lesson is complete, no need for class notes or homework, just nod and smile... and back away vvvvveeeerrrryyyyy slowly...

[imdying]

With the money we've saved, we can afford to import new ones... Besides, fixing motorcycles isn't exactly rocket science. Even if the whole motor blew up, I can import another cheap online. Really, we don't mind you coming to troll here, but is there any chance you could rub your two brain cells together and come up with something at least half thought out? I noticed you haven't got the balls to own up to which shop you're from... I'm guessing you secretly know your attitude is outdated, and you fear a backlash to your business. Or maybe it's simpler than that, just no balls.

[CLEAN CUT]

With the money we've saved, we can afford to import new ones... Besides, fixing motorcycles isn't exactly rocket science. Even if the whole motor blew up, I can import another cheap online. Really, we don't mind you coming to troll here, but is there any chance you could rub your two brain cells together and come up with something at least half thought out? I noticed you haven't got the balls to own up to which shop you're from... I'm guessing you secretly know your attitude is outdated, and you fear a backlash to your business. Or maybe it's simpler than that, just no balls.

A SHOP? GENDER? I'VE GOT SOME BRAIN CELLS, YOUVE GOT BALLS....RATTLING INSIDE THE CAVITY BETWEEN YOUR EARS. NEVER ASSUME, IT WILL CATCH YOU OUT

[onearmedbandit]

CC, we are tired of you now. Please close the door on the way out. Thank you.

[imdying]

A SHOP? GENDER? I'VE GOT SOME BRAIN CELLS, YOUVE GOT BALLS....RATTLING INSIDE THE CAVITY BETWEEN YOUR EARS. NEVER ASSUME, IT WILL CATCH YOU OUTThe shop, well either you're speaking in this thread from experience, or you're full of shit. I'm guessing the full of shit option, but I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

The gender, well you did select male when you created your profile. You do know what gender you are? Don't you? Didn't mummy and daddy teach you the difference between boys and girls? Something else you can bitch to your parents about at their wedding I guess.

[denill]

Market forces.
More and more people will buy on-line in the future.(Oops,sorry,I forgot to use New Speak) Going forward.
The retailers will have to provide service and the right price to compete.

Perfectly said Pixie. Yes market forces will ALWAYS prevail. Anything else is artificial and both Muldoon and Stalin tried alternatives to market forces. And they didn't work...........

The question MUST be asked of CLEAN CUT. Why can the SAME product be purchased in another country in our currency, then shipped here for considerably less than than that product could be purchased here???

The answer is of course - greedy margins and not necessarily the retailer's margin......... Importers who (think/thought) they have a monoply are the most likely sector to load up their margin!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thus now that the peasants can buy online, anywhere in the world, market forces will eventually cause the profiteers (whoever they are) to get real - or else...........

If CLEAN CUT is in fact a businessman he SHOULD be aware of market forces or he won't be businessman for much longer. And bleating will not help.......

[onearmedbandit]

Last time I was in Japan I saw top-of-the-line Arai helmets going for NZ$480 brand new. Same helmet here in NZ, at least $1600. Questioned a local retailer about this and he put it down to what they pay the importers. Regardless of why, how, or who, it was agreed that we get ripped off. Now tell me why I should sacrifice $1100 of my money to keep an importer paid?

[CLEAN CUT]

Last time I was in Japan I saw top-of-the-line Arai helmets going for NZ$480 brand new. Same helmet here in NZ, at least $1600. Questioned a local retailer about this and he put it down to what they pay the importers. Regardless of why, how, or who, it was agreed that we get ripped off. Now tell me why I should sacrifice $1100 of my money to keep an importer paid?


I WILL GRANT YOU WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE BUT DO YOU CONSIDER IT POSSIBLE THAT NOT ALL IMPORTERS WILL BE MAKING HUGE MARGINS, SO THEY SHOULDNT ALL BE TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH??

WHAT IS TOTALLY INEQUITABLE IS THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS CAN OFTEN IMPORT GOODS AND BECAUSE IT GOES TO A PRIVATE ADDRESS THEY WILL USUALLY NOT ATTRACT CLEARANCE CHARGES, GST, ETC ETC. A RECOGNISED IMPORTER WITH A COMMERCIAL ADDRESS WILL INCUR CLEARANCE CHARGES, FUEL SURCHARGES AND GST ON TOP OF EVERYTHING, THAT REALLY BALLOONS THE LANDED COST. ADD TO THAT THE COST OF STOCKING THE PRODUCT, PROMOTING IT AND EMPLOYING STAFF, OH AND FORGOT TAX, COMPLIANCE CHARGES AND OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS OVERHEADS ETC ETC ETC.

SO ITS A BONUS FOR THE INTERNET PARASITE COMPANIES IN THE STATES TO SHIP STUFF TO OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE BORNE LITTLE COST IN PROMOTING THE PRODUCT FURTHER AFIELD.

TO MAKE IT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS WHO CHOOSE TO DEAL OFFSHORE SHOULD BE JUST AS LIABLE TO PAY CLEARANCE CHARGES AND GST AS A RECOGNISED IMPORTER. THE CURRENT DUAL STANDARDS ARE NOTHING SHORT OF HYPOCRISY.

SO WHEN SOME OF YOUR JOBS ARE THREATENED BECAUSE OF MARKET FORCES YOU MAY CARE TO THINK IN TERMS OF THE BIG PICTURE, RATHER THAN HAVING A ''WAREHOUSE'' MENTALITY. BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT OUR NATIONAL PROBLEM OF LOW WAGES AND HIGH TAXES FEEDS THIS WHOLE PROBLEM.

ITS NOTABLE THAT BECAUSE A NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTORS HAVE LOGGED IN EXCESS OF 1000 POSTS THEY FEEL THEY HAVE AN AIR OF AUTHORITY WITHIN THIS FORUM FARCE.

[Finn]

Clean Cut, I understand where you're coming from but what's happening is normal for a deregulated, free market economy. The consumers will decide, after all they are the ones that earn the money and they are the ones who now have choice.

Think back a few years when having a car with electric windows let alone air con was a luxury for the average kiwi. Now these are in reach for the masses. Vehicle importers have had to drop their prices. We're all better off.

Given NZ is a tiny market, isolated from the rest of the world, the issue is intensified. Kiwi's have been paying over inflated prices for stuff for too long. An example is Ducati. As much as I would like to support Haldanes, I wasn't going to pay $43,000 for a Duc 999S when I could have landed one ex US for $30,000. The difference would have gone to the Australian agents anyway.

One of the companies I owned imported ex lease and end of line laptops from the US. At the time a comparible model was selling here for $2000. We sold the same model for $1100. In one weekend we sold 160 units mostly to students. Things went well for a year then the local importers sharpened their pencils and we were screwed. Well done, move on.

Owning a business in these times is difficult and only fools sit back and do nothing when the market is changing around them. You must constantly reinvent yourself and look ahead. Sometimes if you can't beat em, join em.

I for one love choice.

[denill]

I WILL GRANT YOU WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE BUT DO YOU CONSIDER IT POSSIBLE THAT NOT ALL IMPORTERS WILL BE MAKING HUGE MARGINS, SO THEY SHOULDNT ALL BE TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH?? Yes, but as their product will be competitive on a NZ shelf - it will not be worth the candle to buy their product offshore.

In the case of the Arai "NZ$480 brand new. Same helmet here in NZ, at least $1600." scenario - $60 bucks of GST still makes the Arai bloody good value!!!

The rest of your arguement can best be countered by just reading Finn's very commonsense and perfectly reasonable rebuttal.

You have a good point CLEAN CUT when you write "BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT OUR NATIONAL PROBLEM OF LOW WAGES AND HIGH TAXES FEEDS THIS WHOLE PROBLEM". You voted for the socialist Helen (again) !!!!

Abd hey CLEAN CUT - cut the caps, let your choice of words make the impact - not your screaming...........

[CLEAN CUT]

Clean Cut, I understand where you're coming from but what's happening is normal for a deregulated, free market economy. The consumers will decide, after all they are the ones that earn the money and they are the ones who now have choice.

Think back a few years when having a car with electric windows let alone air con was a luxury for the average kiwi. Now these are in reach for the masses. Vehicle importers have had to drop their prices. We're all better off.

Given NZ is a tiny market, isolated from the rest of the world, the issue is intensified. Kiwi's have been paying over inflated prices for stuff for too long. An example is Ducati. As much as I would like to support Haldanes, I wasn't going to pay $43,000 for a Duc 999S when I could have landed one ex US for $30,000. The difference would have gone to the Australian agents anyway.

One of the companies I owned imported ex lease and end of line laptops from the US. At the time a comparible model was selling here for $2000. We sold the same model for $1100. In one weekend we sold 160 units mostly to students. Things went well for a year then the local importers sharpened their pencils and we were screwed. Well done, move on.

Owning a business in these times is difficult and only fools sit back and do nothing when the market is changing around them. You must constantly reinvent yourself and look ahead. Sometimes if you can't beat em, join em.

I for one love choice.

WELL SAID AND I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAY. BUT I STILL SAY CASUAL IMPORTS SHOULD STILL ATTRACT THE SAME CLEARANCE AND TAX CHARGES. EFFECTIVELY BUSINESSES ARE SUBSIDISING THIS INEQUITY AT PRESENT. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT BUSINESSES AND ''MIDDLE'' NEW ZEALANDERS ARE BEING RIPPED BY THOSE AT THE TOP OF THE TREE AND THOSE AT THE BOTTOM?

MY OWN LIVELIHOOD IS RUNNING ALONG WELL AND I COULD HAVE THE ATTITUDE ''I'M ALRIGHT MATE'' BUT FRANKLY I THINK THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH MANY IN THIS COUNTRY.

[imdying]

WHAT IS TOTALLY INEQUITABLE IS THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS CAN OFTEN IMPORT GOODS AND BECAUSE IT GOES TO A PRIVATE ADDRESS THEY WILL USUALLY NOT ATTRACT CLEARANCE CHARGES, GST, ETC ETC. A RECOGNISED IMPORTER WITH A COMMERCIAL ADDRESS WILL INCUR CLEARANCE CHARGES, FUEL SURCHARGES AND GST ON TOP OF EVERYTHING, THAT REALLY BALLOONS THE LANDED COST. ADD TO THAT THE COST OF STOCKING THE PRODUCT, PROMOTING IT AND EMPLOYING STAFF, OH AND FORGOT TAX, COMPLIANCE CHARGES AND OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS OVERHEADS ETC ETC ETC.

TO MAKE IT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS WHO CHOOSE TO DEAL OFFSHORE SHOULD BE JUST AS LIABLE TO PAY CLEARANCE CHARGES AND GST AS A RECOGNISED IMPORTER. THE CURRENT DUAL STANDARDS ARE NOTHING SHORT OF HYPOCRISY.

ITS NOTABLE THAT BECAUSE A NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTORS HAVE LOGGED IN EXCESS OF 1000 POSTS THEY FEEL THEY HAVE AN AIR OF AUTHORITY WITHIN THIS FORUM FARCE.I totally agree about the inequity, and it's a real problem for importers to be sure. Fighting it with a conventional business model isn't going to work though, legislating it will only go some way towards redressing it also. Perhaps a more hybrid model, with the bike shops following the online sales model, and thus reducing their overheads would be effective. The high margins of yesteryear are dead either way to be sure.

I'm not sure that and 1000+ posters here feel they have an air of authority though. I think you'll find that the 1000+ poster that told you to pull your head in is a moderator though, so if there is an air of authority it comes from that, and that's justified imho.

Top effort on the last posts though, if you drop the accusing tone and discuss it somewhat civily, people are more than happy to talk with you... bling for you :hug:

[mstriumph]

CHEAP SHOTS GUYS, ESPECIALLY THE CRUDE REFERENCES AND EXPLETIVES THAT SHOW A NOTABLE LACK OF BREEDING.

YOU WANT YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND WOULD LIKELY SELL YOUR GRANDMOTHERS FOR SIXPENCE. YOU ARE A MERCENARY LOT, THAT IS VERY CLEAR.

- erm - and it DOESN'T display an obsession with the almighty $ and a preoccupation with assigning 'worth' and 'desireability' to things based on their
newness, price or earning capacity [as evidenced by your sneering at someone's '9 year old Kwaka', bragging about how well your business is doing and being disparaging about what you assume to be the purchasing capacity of others?] ..... :corn:



hmmmmmmmmm come to think about it, this sort of 'know it all, self-agrandising, arrogance reminds me of someone ELSE on this forum .............

mebbe NOT a troll - mebbe just another alter?

[CLEAN CUT]

I totally agree about the inequity, and it's a real problem for importers to be sure. Fighting it with a conventional business model isn't going to work though, legislating it will only go some way towards redressing it also. Perhaps a more hybrid model, with the bike shops following the online sales model, and thus reducing their overheads would be effective. The high margins of yesteryear are dead either way to be sure.

I'm not sure that and 1000+ posters here feel they have an air of authority though. I think you'll find that the 1000+ poster that told you to pull your head in is a moderator though, so if there is an air of authority it comes from that, and that's justified imho.

Top effort on the last posts though, if you drop the accusing tone and discuss it somewhat civily, people are more than happy to talk with you... bling for you :hug:

YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP HOW THE NET HAS MOVED THE GOALPOSTS. BUT THE REASON TO SHAKE MY HEAD ANGRILY IS THAT THERE IS THIS SIMPLISTIC ASSUMPTION THAT MANY IMPORTERS AND RETAILERS ARE ''THE BIG BAD WOLF'' WHEN IN FACT MANY MARGINS ARE VERY SLENDER. WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT BALANCING MARGINS IS THAT IN NEW ZEALAND WE SIMPLY DONT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO TRULY MIMIC RETAILING ON THE AMERICAN MODEL. HEAVILY REDUCED MARGINS CAN ONLY GO HAND IN HAND WITH VOLUME SALES, THATS OKAY IF YOU HAVE AN AUDIENCE OF TENS OF MILLIONS. LITTLE WONDER THAT MANY OUTLETS ARE GUNSHY ABOUT CARRYING LARGE VOLUMES OF STOCK IN WHAT IS AN EXTREMELY TRICKY AND FICKLE MARKET.

[CLEAN CUT]

- erm - and it DOESN'T display an obsession with the almighty $ and a preoccupation with assigning 'worth' and 'desireability' to things based on their
newness, price or earning capacity [as evidenced by your sneering at someone's '9 year old Kwaka', bragging about how well your business is doing and being disparaging about what you assume to be the purchasing capacity of others?] ..... :corn:



hmmmmmmmmm come to think about it, this sort of 'know it all, self-agrandising, arrogance reminds me of someone ELSE on this forum .............

mebbe NOT a troll - mebbe just another alter?

PURCHASING CAPACITY WOULD BE IMPROVED WITH A SENSIBLE TAX REGIME, AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF THEFT, NOW THAT IS ARROGANCE

[CLEAN CUT]

Yes, but as their product will be competitive on a NZ shelf - it will not be worth the candle to buy their product offshore.

In the case of the Arai "NZ$480 brand new. Same helmet here in NZ, at least $1600." scenario - $60 bucks of GST still makes the Arai bloody good value!!!

The rest of your arguement can best be countered by just reading Finn's very commonsense and perfectly reasonable rebuttal.

You have a good point CLEAN CUT when you write "BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT OUR NATIONAL PROBLEM OF LOW WAGES AND HIGH TAXES FEEDS THIS WHOLE PROBLEM". You voted for the socialist Helen (again) !!!!

Abd hey CLEAN CUT - cut the caps, let your choice of words make the impact - not your screaming...........

Come to think of it there are zillions of detestable things that I would do rather than EVER vote for the Primeliar

[imdying]

Spare a thought for poor computer retailers... hard disc drive margins are as low as 6% in many case :o Fortunately private importation isn't a heck of a lot cheaper. Need some new mufflers for that added vtwin rort... thinking of going NZ made myself :) Cut out all the foreign dollars :)