My Wake Up Call (binned it)

[Momentum]

Well went on a ride with some kb people from hamiltron this afternoon.

Now I have not been riding long but I have clocked up 8000k's on the and not Bined it. Little did i know that was about to all change today.

So yeah I was not feeling to bad about my riding having clocked up 8000k's in 4 months. I was starting to think I was an ok rider. Never really did anything stupid alway watched what I was doing.

Well I was behind John on his DT175 starting to enjoy the roads. When we came to a bit of a tight right hander slight downhill.
I was not going to fast at alL maybe about 45 to 50k's hit a little bit of a dip or bump in the road witch put me off abit and put me off line and I ran wide on the corner. As soon as the wheels hit the grass the bike was go right out from under me. landed on my right knee and hip did the head over heels trick and landed on my ass. Got up and yelled the F word about 10 times then picked the bike up.

So I now have a hole in the knee of my shift jeasn, my helmet is a bit scratched up, dirt all over my leather jacked, dirt all over my boots, some little cracks in the ferrings and one side has some light scratching all over it, and the frame that holds the blade on is abit bent.
And last but not least abit of a dented ego too

SO YEAH I GOT A WAKE UP CALL THATS FOR SURE.

All and all I did not come off to badly. Thank God for that one.

Ferrings are already off and are going to go drop them off tomorrow. The bike is all loaded up. Its getting droped off tomorroow to get the front end checked out. To make sure its all lined up as it should be

[Zed]

...All and all I did not come off to badly. Thank God for that one.Welcome to the bin club, unfortunately the membership initiation can be rather painful though...sorry to read it and i hope you heal up soon! :bye:

[Momentum]

yeah the hip hurts a little bit and so dase the knee but not to bad. I think i will feel it more tomorrow

[kiwifruit]

Sorry to hear that man,
at least you came out ok.
I hope you spring back from your fall

[bugjuice]

that sucks dude..
take it on the chin and just watch for it next time.. it happens, just learn and carry on..

Hope you ain't too stiff tomorrow, and hope the bike isn't too beat up

[Mental Trousers]

It was a tricky little piece of road. Lots of camber changes and a few ripples and bumps on some of the corners. There were a number where you tip it one way, stand her up, over the hump and tip it the opposite direction.

A few minutes later I had a classic moment while doing a u turn. What an arse. Strained my thigh trying to catch it.

[Meanie]

Sorry to hear about that dude, your lucky to walk away reasonably unscathed :yeah:
I had a few spills when i was younger and was always very lucky to not need a ride in the white van with cherrys on top
We all need a wake up call now and then to remind us we arnt invincible

[erik]

Sorry to hear that. Glad you're ok though :)

[metric]

bummer bro

good to hear that it wasn't too bad...

[Momentum]

yeah I am glade i am not to bad ay. it may not cost alot to fix but its just bad timing. Becaue I am saving for going to the States again to work at summer camp.

[Skyryder]

I was starting to think I was an ok rider. Never really did anything stupid alway watched what I was doing.

Here's why you binned. Wrong attitude. You say you were not going to fast. Wrong. You were riding to the edge and when you needed to make a correction for the bump you were going fast too do so. You were lucky a car or bike was not coming the other way. A wake up call is no good unless you learn from it.

Just not too sure you have learnt anything today. Hope my post rings alarms bells in you. Next time you cross the centre line you may not be so lucky.

Skyryder

[Quasievil]

dirt all over my leather jacked,

You get that jacket cleaned up its bad for business.



Sorry to hear about that mate, keep positive learn and you can grow old like me !

[avrflr]

Sucks, doesn't it. Never mind the lecturers they're not invincible either. A wise man once told me: "Sometimes the jandal chooses you"

[Motu]

That can happen trying to keep up with a dirt bike....hope your spelling gets better soon....

[Momentum]

[QUOTE=Momentum] I was starting to think I was an ok rider. Never really did anything stupid alway watched what I was doing./QUOTE]

Here's why you binned. Wrong attitude. You say you were not going to fast. Wrong. You were riding to the edge and when you needed to make a correction for the bump you were going fast too do so. You were lucky a car or bike was not coming the other way. A wake up call is no good unless you learn from it.

Just not too sure you have learnt anything today. Hope my post rings alarms bells in you. Next time you cross the centre line you may not be so lucky.

Skyryder

Dude you are a Wanker you were not even there you do not even know what happened i did not even cross the center line. I was not ridding hard at all I was not riding on the edge at all I felt way within myself. Ask Road Rash I ride with him all the time and I never try and push it hard.

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED

[Momentum]

That can happen trying to keep up with a dirt bike....hope your spelling gets better soon....


I dont think anything can save my spelling lol

[Ixion]

.. You were lucky a car or bike was not coming the other way. A wake up call is no good unless you learn from it.

Just not too sure you have learnt anything today. Hope my post rings alarms bells in you. Next time you cross the centre line you may not be so lucky.

Skyryder


'Twas a right hander so running wide presumably put him into the grass on his own side of the road. If you have to crash, running off a right hander into grass is about as good as it gets. Shit happens, watch out for bumps (and holes, gravel, oil, cow shit and bath tubs) next time.

Real question you need to be asking is "once it went pear shaped how could I have recovered ?" (Clue - push push push )

[Zed]

Dude you are a Wanker you were not even there you do not even know what happened...

All I can say to you is...Don't let that jerk bother you mate, he has no compassion, likes to put the boot in when a rider is down, and doesn't at all represent the friendly KB spirit.

Green rep coming your way! :clap:

[avrflr]

That's the spirit:)

[Momentum]

Real question you need to be asking is "once it went pear shaped how could I have recovered ?" (Clue - push push push )

Not to sure I think once it started to go pear shaped I could see the out side of the coner getting closer and freaked abit. I did not stand her up and try to brake i kept leaning but I was looking at the wrong place.

I dont really know it happened fast ay one min i was having a good time next min i hit a bump or dip felt the bike bounce round abit. next thing i am way of line and going oh fuck

[Streetwise]

Mate whats up your bottom, The man just fell off and is trying to sort out in his own mind what went on, You need to chill and have some compasion. How many times have you crashed ????

[Momentum]

yeah it is a little bit of that speedy.That is why I called it a wake up call.


But I will still say I was not pushing it hard, I was not trying to be the man and ride beyound myself. But it was a bloody big wake up call that it dont take much to SCREW UP And I still have alot to learn.

[Streetwise]

we all do brother, all riders have a lot to learn..... :)

[ZeroIndex]

I was the 2nd one (behind Road Rash) to Momentum's bin, and that corner was a deceiving one (dip on the first bit of corner for a good line)... I was still riding very slow from my bin 5km or so earlier so my line wasn't that much of a line... so yup, I joined the bin club today too... post is here, as to not hijack this one:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=540045#post540045

[Goblin]

Not too sure. I think once it started to go pear shaped, I could see the out side of the corner getting closer........ I was looking at the wrong place.

You summed it up right there. Target fixation!

Easier said than done but you have to train yourself to look where you want to go in times like this. Never look down 'cos thats where you'll go. Keep the throttle open too, or even open it up a bit more and look at where you want to be.

I still have a thing about right hand, downhill, off cambre corners after doing much the same thing.

Bummer you binned but good to see you came out the other end in one piece.

[ZeroIndex]

Ok, here are the pix of todays binning events of myself and Momentum:
Pic #1: My bike: handlebars and wheel are inline with the bike, but not the light
Pic #2: Momentum checking the bike damage
Pic #3: His Shift jeans (he's lucky to have worn those)
Pic #4: My knee, after hitting the tank on my highside in the bumpy grass. (details in this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=540045#post540045

-strangely i only noticed my knee when we were at Momentum's bin site

[Goblin]

Did you get a pic of the corner?

[ZeroIndex]

Did you get a pic of the corner?
no, sorry...

[SwanTiger]

Hey dude, sorry to hear about your accident and all that bullshit, however I'd like to know, is the rule of "Look where you want you and the bike to go" applicable in this situation? The fact you freaked caused a loss of concentration on where you wanted the bike to go, resulting in the accident?

Looks like you came out of it reasonably well for a 50kmp/h crash, I guess that shows you handled coming off well (i.e. keeping the bike somewhat upright until hitting the crash). Good for you, sobering learning experience.

[T.W.R]

Least your in one piece thats the main thing :cool: it could have been a lot worse :slap:

[Finn]

Here's why you binned. Wrong attitude. You say you were not going to fast. Wrong. You were riding to the edge and when you needed to make a correction for the bump you were going fast too do so. You were lucky a car or bike was not coming the other way. A wake up call is no good unless you learn from it.

Just not too sure you have learnt anything today. Hope my post rings alarms bells in you. Next time you cross the centre line you may not be so lucky.

Skyryder

Guyryder. He's a newbie for christ sake. He damaged his bike and hurt himself. Give him a break.

Mind you, I guess it's near impossible dropping a butt ugly Guzzi given those fucking stupid things sticking out from the motor working like training wheels.

[Momentum]

yeah I know I was looking round the corner till I hit the bumps then CRAP.

But I am alive and i will file that away in the not to do again folder

[SwanTiger]

Ah, its quite funny to think about how many crashes could be avoided by a simple rule of 'look where you want you and the bike to go'.

Thanks for the reply mate, lesson to be learnt for all here.

[cowboyz]

[QUOTE=Skyryder]

Dude you are a Wanker you were not even there you do not even know what happened i did not even cross the center line. I was not ridding hard at all I was not riding on the edge at all I felt way within myself. Ask Road Rash I ride with him all the time and I never try and push it hard.

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED


Jezz dude., If I were you I would be saying I was riding on the edge of my abilities... canning it big time.. had knee down and a minor lose in concentration and I lost the bike under me.



That sounds HEAPS better than.. I was riding well within my abilities and I still can't keep the bike upright.

[Sniper]

Bugger mate, hope you heal up soon.

[imdying]

Swantiger's advice is good, it's an easy rule to break! Momentum, remember your sig when haters get you down brother :)

[enigma51]

Sounds to me like o fuck moment ie could happend to anyone. These sort of acidents happen to best of us mate dont worry about it too much you got up and that counts big time. But im with cowboys next time (hopefully it will never happen) say something like I was going fucking fast the needle was bouncing on the stop pin! That will shut the twits up.

Speedmedic is right though if you ever get a chance to talk to some hard core racer they will tell you that one gets a bit over confident 10 ft tall bulletproof all that bullshit and it takes a small crashe like you have had to bring you back to reality even though its not realy a big one it does bring you back ask me i have been there

[Fishy]

Sorry to hear that mate. Could have been worse dude, glad ya didn't get hurt too bad.

[Insanity_rules]

Dude,
Sorry to hear you binned it. I did a spectacular one about 13 years ago and I still get a bit squirrly about the corner under the Petone flyover in Wellyvegas.

Glad a bruised ego and some minor stuff were all you had to show for it.

Remember rubber side down OK?

Dont let the haters get ya down

That dude who bagged ya sounds like a F#cktard

[Mental Trousers]

Seeing as it was only 5km down the road from where ZeroIndex had his 1st ever unintentional offroad adventure I'd say your head probably wasn't quite back in the ride yet too. Also, there were quite a few off camber corners through there. Maybe you hit bumps combined with bad camber which put you in the grass.

[ZeroIndex]

Seeing as it was only 5km down the road from where ZeroIndex had his 1st ever unintentional offroad adventure I'd say your head probably wasn't quite back in the ride yet too. Also, there were quite a few off camber corners through there. Maybe you hit bumps combined with bad camber which put you in the grass.
Mine was an intentional offroad adventure, once my mind decided that no matter what i wasn't going round that corner, i decided "i'm going to slow down on that nice grassy patch... the only thing i didn't expect was a huge f**king pavement-like section of lifted grass and sand

[ZeroIndex]

hey Momentum, have you dropped off your bike yet? did Lou say anything when you dropped it off, like how soon you'll have it back etc?

[Momentum]

hey Momentum, have you dropped off your bike yet? did Lou say anything when you dropped it off, like how soon you'll have it back etc?

I rip it all to bits lastnight. the ferrings are in the car at the mo
and the bike is out at T.A Luo is going to sort out the little frame that the blade bolts onto. He is also going to check the front end out but he said it seems fine. I asked him to look at some other little things that were playing up befor i binned. should be finished tomorrow

[MSTRS]

Dude, sounds to me like you had never had to test your ability to handle things AFTER they had gone pear-shaped. A wake-up call is exactly right. Don't stress about it tho. Unless you are veeery lucky, the ability to handle oh-shit moments can only be learned the way you have. Most of us have had them, some have binned and some have managed to keep it together - sometimes is only luck. Glad it wasn't more serious for you.

[Skyryder]

[QUOTE=Skyryder]

Dude you are a Wanker you were not even there you do not even know what happened i did not even cross the center line. I was not ridding hard at all I was not riding on the edge at all I felt way within myself. Ask Road Rash I ride with him all the time and I never try and push it hard.

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED

It appears that you have responded in a manner that belies any intelligence on your part. This is what I responded too.

When we came to a bit of a tight right hander slight downhill.
I was not going to fast at alL maybe about 45 to 50k's hit a little bit of a dip or bump in the road witch put me off abit and put me off line and I ran wide on the corner. As soon as the wheels hit the grass the bike was go right out from under me. landed on my right knee and hip did the head over heels trick and landed on my ass. Got up and yelled the F word about 10 times then picked the bike up.

You were into a tight right hand corner and you went wide. You said you lost your line. Perhaps I should have explained better I'll do it now. YOU ARE IN THE CENTRE AND WHEN YOU LOST YOUR LINE YOU CROSSED IT.

Your response indicates that nothing has been learnt from your 'bin.'

I will give you some serious advice this from someone who has been riding all their life.

NEVER THINK YOU ARE AN OK RIDER. Those that 'did' are dead or crippled.


Now you have a choice with your riding. You can listen to people who will give you sympathy and nothing else or listen to people who, if you take their advice just might help to become a better rider and keep you alive. Your choice.

Skyryder

[imdying]

You were into a tight right hand corner and you went wide. You said you lost your line. Perhaps I should have explained better I'll do it now. YOU ARE IN THE CENTRE AND WHEN YOU LOST YOUR LINE YOU CROSSED IT.I'm a bit thick, he was in the centre of what? He crossed what?

[Skyryder]

Don't let that jerk bother you mate, he has no compassion, likes to put the boot in when a rider is down, and doesn't at all represent the friendly KB spirit.


Welcome to the bin club, unfortunately the membership initiation can be rather painful though
or dead.

Sympathy and warm fuzzies does not save lives.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I'm a bit thick, he was in the centre of what? He crossed what?

He was in the centre, period. It's not a 'what' but a place. Just think about it it'll come.

Skyryder

[MSTRS]

You were into a tight right hand corner and you went wide. You said you lost your line. Perhaps I should have explained better I'll do it now. YOU ARE IN THE CENTRE AND WHEN YOU LOST YOUR LINE YOU CROSSED IT.
To the rest of us "Going wide...." means to the ouside of the corner. On a right-hander this does NOT mean you will cross the centre line. Just what he said....

NEVER THINK YOU ARE AN OK RIDER. ....

Yep, you are right here - overconfidence is almost worse than ignorance. None of us should get complacent.

Now you have a choice with your riding. You can listen to people who will give you sympathy and nothing else or listen to people who, if you take their advice just might help to become a better rider and keep you alive. Your choice.
Skyryder
Advice is a dish best served with understanding. What do most people do when given a lecture???

[imdying]

He was in the centre, period. It's not a 'what' but a place. Just think about it it'll come.Oh I see, I think. If you want to help him, maybe a little less of the zen... That's awfully confusing, and not really of as much help as I think you'd like it to be :/

[2much]

Mate, that sucks arse but it happens to all of us. Any crash you can walk away from is a good crash, just take it as a lesson and learn from it.

Do those things have adjustable suspension? If so check to see you've got it set up right. By the sounds of it, you may want to make it a bit more forgiving for now then firm it up later as you improve.

BTW, As you're the only person I've heard to have 'tested' them, how did you find the Shift jeans stood up? say compared to normal jeans, and Draggins if you know how they perform?

[Zed]

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All I can say to you is GET FUCKED



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It appears that you have responded in a manner that belies any intelligence on your part.Skyrider, it appears that you didn't get the message, and he even enlarged the font so you wouldn't miss it!!

He and most others here don't want your self-righteous, unfeeling advice, so go back and crawl under the rock from which you came! :no:

[Qkkid]

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED



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Skyrider, it appears that you didn't get the message, and he even enlarged the font so you wouldn't miss it!!

He and most others here don't want your self-righteous, unfeeling advice, so go back and crawl under the rock from which you came! :no:[/QUOTE]
Some people are a bit slow aye Zed i am glad you are all right matey unfortunately i was not so lucky i did a similar type of binn recently and was not so lucky i broke my wrist off my arm and have 3 fractures around my thumb a plate in my hand with 3 wires keeping my wrist together and still alot of pain and its been 5 weeks now,and to top it off 4 months minimum off work,so you are very lucky.Be hard on yourself dude look at the accident from all angles you are one of the lucky ones to come out uninjured

[MSTRS]

Skyrider, it appears that you didn't get the message, and he even enlarged the font so you wouldn't miss it!!

He and most others here don't want your self-righteous, unfeeling advice, so go back and crawl under the rock from whence you came! :no:
Good advice. (grammar corrected - Hitcher needs a holiday:lol: )

[Zed]

Good advice. (grammar corrected - Hitcher needs a holiday:lol: )My my old chap, "whence" is a tad old english isn't it?? :msn-wink: I like it lol.

I don't enjoy taking such a hard line with people on here, but that guy is ALWAYS putting people down! He has made several public confessions on here that he takes nothing seriously and personally online (many members don't know this of him), and that he is a totally different person in real life, Skyrider is his devilish alter-ego that he *hides* behind! And here he expects us to take his advice seriously? Normal human behaviour in this case scenario should begin with sympathy, but no, Skyrider goes straight for the throat with his so-called good experiential advice, and that is my justification for taking the hard line with him. :weird:

[digsaw]

:yes: good on yar zed,and may the school of hard knocks be kind to all new riders,infact all riders, as the school of hard knock has been to me.:spudbooge

[enigma51]

Skyryder stop being a dick you have done your little tantrem know let it go.

The bunch of you that are fueling the fire stop it your not helping. :zzzz:

And for the rest of you .......... anyone for a beer? :blip:



PS I know i cant spell :gob:

[Zed]

Skyryder stop being a dick you have done your little tantrem know let it go.

The bunch of you that are fueling the fire stop it your not helping. :zzzz:

And for the rest of you .......... anyone for a beer? :blip: Enigma, are you campaigning for the next KB Moderator elections?? :Police: p/t

[MSTRS]

The bunch of you that are fueling the fire stop it your not helping. :zzzz:

Aaaawwww!! Da-aa-ad!!

[Mental Trousers]

Click on the User Control Panel (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/usercp.php) link, then click on the Buddy/Ignore List (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=editlist) link, click in one of the boxes on the right hand side, type in SkyRyder and then click on the button that says Update Ignore List. All will be good with the world.

[enigma51]

Enigma, are you campaigning for the next KB Moderator elections?? :Police: p/t
Trust me I am the last man to throw stones or too become a moderator

[enigma51]

Aaaawwww!! Da-aa-ad!!

:Oi: dont let me come over there and give you a clip around the ears!

[MSTRS]

:Oi: dont let me come over there and give you a clip around the ears!
*runs into bedroom, slams the door, hides under the bed and yells "You'll be sorry when Cypfs hear about this* :nya: :nya:

[Mental Trousers]

Do those things have adjustable suspension?

Nah they don't mate. I've been telling Road Rash to get an RGV front end and graft that in seeing as his flatmate is a fabricator and made the muffler that's on his bike. While they're at it, Momentum is a very similar bike. They'd be a very trick pair of CBR 250's then.

[Teflon]

.
I was not going to fast at alL maybe about 45 to 50k's hit a little bit of a dip or bump in the road witch put me off abit and put me off line and I ran wide on the corner.
Very unforgiving road, one little mistake and your fucked. The main problem is there are no road markings and the road is narrow, so taking the wrong line into corner and running wide would be very easy to do.

[Pathos]

Momentum, I know you're not an idiot on the road from riding with you and good stuff for putting on the 8kkms.

Downhill corners are bitch, they can be sweet or gravity punishes you, I've run wide once or twice on the corner just outside my house because you the loss of grip and the ground falls away from you.

I'm really guessing at this but at 45-50k you probably could have pulled through if you'd given yourself a chance by looking through the corner. Its hard to make it your initial reaction tho. very hard. I don't know how I'd react in the same situation and I'm sure theres plenty of experienced riders who would end up in the grass.

best of luck.

[GIXser]

[QUOTE=Skyryder]

Dude you are a Wanker you were not even there you do not even know what happened i did not even cross the center line. I was not ridding hard at all I was not riding on the edge at all I felt way within myself. Ask Road Rash I ride with him all the time and I never try and push it hard.

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED

Dont worry about skyrider" he's just an dribbling idiot" he's never done anything wrong "ever"

dude sorry to hear about your fall" all i can say is it happens to us all?? most not as ""lucky as you (if you can call it lucky)
i did a trackday a little while ago,, learned heaps i recommend it,, if you havent done one" just a thought""""!!!!

:niceone:

[SwanTiger]

Earlier this afternoon I was coming down Matakana Valley Road in Matakana (extremely twisty road down hill) and went off into gravel. The bike did all sorts of weird things but I managed to keep it upright, luckily.

The thing which ammused me though, was the cause, I simply looked exactly where I was going, which happened to be off the road. I laugh now because the corner could of easily been navigated.

I wonder how many bike accidents are causd by this simple rule.

[Skyryder]

All I can say to you is GET FUCKED



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Skyrider, it appears that you didn't get the message, and he even enlarged the font so you wouldn't miss it!!

He and most others here don't want your self-righteous, unfeeling advice, so go back and crawl under the rock from which you came! :no:
Some people are a bit slow aye Zed i am glad you are all right matey unfortunately i was not so lucky i did a similar type of binn recently and was not so lucky i broke my wrist off my arm and have 3 fractures around my thumb a plate in my hand with 3 wires keeping my wrist together and still alot of pain and its been 5 weeks now,and to top it off 4 months minimum off work,so you are very lucky.Be hard on yourself dude look at the accident from all angles you are one of the lucky ones to come out uninjured[/QUOTE]

Which was exactly my point.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

[QUOTE=Momentum]

Dont worry about skyrider" he's just an dribbling idiot" he's never done anything wrong "ever"


Thanks for the vote of confidence, I however do disagree with you.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Click on the User Control Panel (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/usercp.php) link, then click on the Buddy/Ignore List (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=editlist) link, click in one of the boxes on the right hand side, type in SkyRyder and then click on the button that says Update Ignore List. All will be good with the world.

See Zeds post #53. The bit about crawling under a rock or in your case putting your head up your muffler.

Skyryder

[ZeroIndex]

Earlier this afternoon I was coming down Matakana Valley Road in Matakana (extremely twisty road down hill) and went off into gravel. The bike did all sorts of weird things but I managed to keep it upright, luckily.

The thing which ammused me though, was the cause, I simply looked exactly where I was going, which happened to be off the road. I laugh now because the corner could of easily been navigated.

I wonder how many bike accidents are causd by this simple rule.

hehe that's pretty much what i did... except i didn't notice the lump in the grass until i was too close to it... *If only i had carried on looking at the other side of the corner...* oh well, my bike is back to normal, so i'll just chalk it down to experience...

[Jog-Insanity]

That can happen trying to keep up with a dirt bike....hope your spelling gets better soon....
Yamaha Rules:rockon:
my brother thrashes that DT to death, from what he told me he was in front of you momentum, he said you kinda dissapeared from his ever vibrating mirrors.
that dt is so light and flicky in the corners, but he works that gearbox so hard, and it runs out of torque:scooter:
a few ppl dide that run when he had his SJ 125 scooter, man that got thrashed so hard!
anyways sorry to hear about the bin's, i wrote off my Jog on a oil spill on a roundabout.
i might do a gravel mish with you guys if your keen when i get my honda NXR 125, if i get one, carver is bloody quick on the gravel, so watch out!:nya:
enjoy!
oh and momentum
pride comes before the fall

[MSTRS]

Which was exactly my point.

Skyryder
What point? You said he crossed the centre line.

[imdying]

No he didn't, he said 'He was in the centre, period. It's not a 'what' but a place. Just think about it it'll come'. Apparently if you think about it, it'll just come... :rofl: It's either some useless zen shit, or someones (trying to) covering up their fuckup :niceone: