Sally Simpson (kiwi rider)

[carver]

can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?:corn:
because well, i find her irritating, sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems every time i do its just a lot of pointless drivel :Oi: about bullshit (rechargeable piss on batteries, her own life bla bla bla...):crybaby:
people like Nash and Moroney always hold my interest, true motorcycle riders with passion at heart (nash at least)
I have a lot of respect for Nash, he seems to know his shit, bit like motul from this site.
Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!:rolleyes: ,because its too small etc...It seems like she prefers big slow cruisers with a lot of bling (image) (no disrespect waylander), but i wonder if she can ride for shit, and why she writes for kiwi biker?
so..lets talk about her, about posers, and what is the real deal.
im sure many of you are like me, OBSESSED:not: with bikes.

[bugjuice]

is she hot?

[carver]

is she hot?
she is about 40-50 y/o odd, im guessing plus sized too.:brick:
unless thats a bit of you?:bs:

[bugjuice]

nope.. why's she writing then?

[enigma51]

can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?:corn:
because well, i find her irritating, sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems every time i do its just a lot of pointless drivel :Oi: about bullshit (rechargeable piss on batteries, her own life bla bla bla...):crybaby:
people like Nash and Moroney always hold my interest, true motorcycle riders with passion at heart (nash at least)
I have a lot of respect for Nash, he seems to know his shit, bit like motul from this site.
Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!:rolleyes: ,because its too small etc...It seems like she prefers big slow cruisers with a lot of bling (image) (no disrespect waylander), but i wonder if she can ride for shit, and why she writes for kiwi biker?
so..lets talk about her, about posers, and what is the real deal.
im sure many of you are like me, OBSESSED:not: with bikes.

I think the mag is trying to cater for all tastes and maybe try and hit the female market by using a women as a writer men tend to rate bikes on manly things ie power speed etc all the things that would make him the top "hunter". Take a fhm and compare that to a cosmopolitian or take a mens health and compare that to a womans weekly the differences are huge women are about emotions men are about there cocks! I know I am its genetics its the animal in all of us<_< .

To your original question I agree with you I do feel she has nothing to realy say so she dribble about meaningless stuff. Well for me at least I want to see fact and figures how much the thing is going to "scare" me! where the ladys might like more of a how comfartable/elegant it is.

Well thats my 2c at least

[carver]

nope.. why's she writing then?

thats what im here for...the purpose of this thread,:weird: surely there must be someone else who see's it like i do:violin:

[enigma51]

nope.. why's she writing then?
cause she cant use her other asests!

[Keystone19]

I agree with Enigma in that she is endeavouring to appeal to a broader audience - i.e. women, and in particular women who either pillion or ride cruisers.

Personally, though, I have to agree with Carver, I do not get much out of her column. Perhaps because I neither pillion nor ride a cruiser.

Perhaps there is room for another column written by a women from a different perspective again?

Suggestions anybody?

[enigma51]

I agree with Enigma in that she is endeavouring to appeal to a broader audience - i.e. women, and in particular women who either pillion or ride cruisers.

Personally, though, I have to agree with Carver, I do not get much out of her column. Perhaps because I neither pillion nor ride a cruiser.

Perhaps there is room for another column written by a women from a different perspective again?

Suggestions anybody?

I nominate you as you have taught me many meaningfull queens english which i still cant pronounce let alone spell

[ManDownUnder]

I agree with Enigma in that she is endeavouring to appeal to a broader audience - i.e. women, and in particular women who either pillion or ride cruisers.

Personally, though, I have to agree with Carver, I do not get much out of her column. Perhaps because I neither pillion nor ride a cruiser.

Perhaps there is room for another column written by a women from a different perspective again?

Suggestions anybody?

You - chick on a street bike... racing... from a woman's perspective of course. That chat you and I had about your experiences would make a brilliant read...

...and you'd only need to find an additional 3 or 5 hours in your week LOL

[ManDownUnder]

I nominate you as you have taught me many meaningfull queens english which i still cant pronounce let alone spell

Just include the words "empirical" and "anecdotal" from time to time, add in "perspective", "feminism" "post feminism" and you'll be fine.

The words in between just pad out the mumbo jumbo anyway don't they?

Women with brains eh... who'd have 'em? LOL

:dodge:

[Keystone19]

Hmm, aside from not really having 3-5hours spare a week, I'm not sure the general readership of Kiwibiker are into interpretivist approaches to oral history that incorporate a feminist inclination.

[enigma51]

Just include the words "empirical" and "anecdotal" from time to time, add in "perspective", "feminism" "post feminism" and you'll be fine.

The words in between just pad out the mumbo jumbo anyway don't they?

Women with brains eh... who'd have 'em? LOL

:dodge:

They look like english words they sound like greek but nope not understood.

Now the last bit that I understand its just so wrong! :shit: A women place is in front of the sink or stove! :shake:

[enigma51]

Hmm, aside from not really having 3-5hours spare a week, I'm not sure the general readership of Kiwibiker are into interpretivist approaches to oral history that incorporate a feminist inclination.

O god here we go again with big words :doobey:

[Keystone19]

A women place is in front of the sink or stove! :shake:

Yes, you are so right. I don't know what Sally Simpson was thinking writing a column in a motorcycling magazine of all things. Back to the kitchen I say!:mega:

[merv]

I know Sally and she is pretty down to earth - no poser about her and no bling really - but she does seem to prefer cruisers.

Maybe Big Dave can tell us, but if some other chick wanted to write a different sort of column for KR would it be welcome because maybe someone from here could step up to the plate?

[enigma51]

Yes, you are so right. I don't know what Sally Simpson was thinking writing a column in a motorcycling magazine of all things. Back to the kitchen I say!:mega:
Yeah on the subject wheres my bacon and eggs! :mega:

[ManDownUnder]

Hmm, aside from not really having 3-5hours spare a week, I'm not sure the general readership of Kiwibiker are into interpretivist approaches to oral history that incorporate a feminist inclination.

True - but you missed an "s" it should be incorporates (that's the only thing I could find wrong with what you wrote... hell it's the only word I recognised... apart from "oral", and for some reason my perspective on that may not not hold too much favour in feminism HQ...

... although it might ... in which are there any pictures?

Actually I take that back... my correction is actually an incorrection... now... back to the oral bit...

[Keystone19]

True - but you missed an "s" it should be incorporates (that's the only thing I could find wrong with what you wrote... hell it's the only word I recognised... apart from "oral", and for some reason my perspective on that may not not hold too much favour in feminism HQ...

No, the 's' should be there as it was referring to approaches not an approach.

As for your fixation with oral, well, I know a good remedy for that...:baby:

[Ixion]

Hmm, aside from not really having 3-5hours spare a week, I'm not sure the general readership of Kiwibiker are into interpretivist approaches to oral history that incorporate a feminist inclination.

oohhh - you wicked unscientific interpretivist you. Hermeneutic, that's what you are. Positivist neo-marxism is the only thing that would be acceptable to KiwiBiker readers, right lads ?

[Goblin]

Perhaps there is room for another column written by a women from a different perspective again?

Suggestions anybody?

How about your perspective? From a "Trackday Whore" point of view? You'd have a tale or two to tell eh?

I agree with carver about her rambling on about shit...she's never kept my interest long enough to finish the page. I do like Morony's collum tho...his sense of humor appeals to me & I often giggle like a school girl while reading it. Nash is interesting too, in a more serious kind of way.

[Big Dave]

I have a lot of respect for Nash, he seems to know his shit, bit like motul from this site.


I usually just threaten him. (actually both of them)

Nah, kidding, he's all right, he does what a columnist does, spurs debate by offering opinions and his photography is good and creative.

Another competent female columnist - preferably a rider - would be a welcome addition to the roster I'm sure.

Ross MacKay is the man to ask
editor@kiwirider.co.nz

You could do it Keystone.

[ManDownUnder]

At the risk of speaking for KeyStone... and I KNOW I'm on thin ice here... with hot skates an' all...

The reason I suggested KeyStone do it is becausde I know she has less than fuck all time on her hands already. I think fitting this in would be more than too much.

Course I'm open to correction on that.

It's ok Jill... I'm shutting up and pissing off now LOL

[Keystone19]

CRAACCCKKK......

lol, thank you MDU.

You are right though, I do have a lot on my plate. However, sometimes such ideas are worth considering for other reasons. If Kiwirider were interested in what I may be able to write, I may be interested in thinking about it.

I'm sure there are others out there who would fit the bill equally as well though.

[Big Dave]

It's ok Jill... I'm shutting up and pissing off now LOL

About time her luck changed.

[chris]

Recent comments by Australasian Dirt Bike contributor, Warren Jack, in the April 06 issue:
" The anonymity of the internet allows futile little wankers to live out their Arnold Schwarzenegger 'one against an army' masturbatory fantasies by talking big."

Instead of voicing your comments about Sally's writing on here (which let's face it, she isn't gonna see), write into the magazine - readers raves - and ask her to reply to your unconstructive comments.

In fact Carver, it could be arranged so you could have the conversation face to face....

[Keystone19]

Ahh, yes Chris, but it is a public forum and Carver was inviting people to comment on Sally's column. This he has achieved.

It seems to me that reading the majority of the posts in the thread, I don't think the remainder of the comments could be construed as unconstructive, it is merely opinion.

Sally's column does appeal to many and that is why you have it. I think the suggestion was that perhaps there could be something in addition to Sally's column.

However, you know you're readership and would be the best judge of this possibility.

[Big Dave]

oohhh - you wicked unscientific interpretivist you. Hermeneutic, that's what you are. Positivist neo-marxism is the only thing that would be acceptable to KiwiBiker readers, right lads ?


I was thinking more 'leso's with big tits.'

[Keystone19]

I was thinking more 'leso's with big tits.'

Well that completely excludes me then...

[chris]

Carver was inviting people to comment on Sally's column.
Really? Not how I interpreted his words.



"can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?"

"because well, i find her irritating"

"Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!"

"but i wonder if she can ride for shit,"

"so..lets talk about her,"

[imdying]

How dare you voice your own opinion on an Internet forum carver! :rolleyes:

The arnie quote is cute, shame it's not really relevant here, might have been worth a titter. You should be at least a little happy though Chris, I've never brought KR, but I'm picking up a copy on the way home to find out what the fuss is about! :)

[chris]

How dare you voice your own opinion on an Internet forum carver! :rolleyes:

The arnie quote is cute, shame it's not really relevant here, might have been worth a titter. You should be at least a little happy though Chris, I've never brought KR, but I'm picking up a copy on the way home to find out what the fuss is about! :)
Next time I'll tage the quote onto one of Mikeys threads instead, it may be more appropriate.

[imdying]

Heheheh. The OPs tone is perhaps a little too aggressive for your own taste, maybe even mine, but it's nice to see much of the feedback has been genuine :)

[Maha]

I would have thought that flicking through KR is much like flicking through Penthouse or Playboy.......Who really reads it, dont you just dribble over the pic's ? ................:yeah:

[SlowHand]

If Kiwirider were interested in what I may be able to write, I may be interested in thinking about it.

hmm a KR sponsored SV? :whistle:

[enigma51]

hmm a KR sponsored SV? :whistle:

Know you just being a "cock" teazer. :bleh:


Should actualy call it a biker teazer but does not sound right!

[chris]

If Kiwirider were interested in what I may be able to write, I may be interested in thinking about it.
How about you write it, send it in and we think about it? You never know we may like it.

[motobob]

How about you write it, send it in and we think about it? You never know we may like it.

Interesting debate. I buy the mag every month and didn't Know SS had a column.
If the above quote is the requirements for the direction of Kiwi Rider editorial and articles I'd be worried as the magazine owner :sweatdrop

There appears to be a reasonable sized group of fems out riding these days. Maybe KR should be looking at including more relevant articles written by women. However KR needs to provide a direction (after consultation of course) for the type of articles required.

After all you have a large kids section, And a good dirt section (can those guys read?)

K19 would make a great contributor as she has gained a lot of respect through this forum. She is even coming along nicely as a rider and knows how oil her chain without damaging her nails.

Yeah K19 to write for KR

[chris]

Interesting debate. I buy the mag every month and didn't Know SS had a column.
If the above quote is the requirements for the direction of Kiwi Rider editorial and articles I'd be worried as the magazine owner :sweatdrop

There appears to be a reasonable sized group of fems out riding these days. Maybe KR should be looking at including more relevant articles written by women. However KR needs to provide a direction (after consultation of course) for the type of articles required.

After all you have a large kids section, And a good dirt section (can those guys read?)

K19 would make a great contributor as she has gained a lot of respect through this forum. She is even coming along nicely as a rider and knows how oil her chain without damaging her nails.

Yeah K19 to write for KR

Dave has long pushed the point on this site, that if you send us stuff it may get published. Simply put, the editor does not have the time to actively go out and find new contributors for the mag.

The onus is on Keystone to send us something, why should we chase? So my comment stands, send us something and if it's suitable it will go in. Go through a few back issues and see what you think has been missing and write us a piece.
E-mail Ross with pleasure, but he really is a man under pressure and may not answer your mail for some time, so be patient. Failing that, send it to me and I can put it under his nose.

There are only seven of us who work full time on the mag and most of us do two or three different jobs, so we value our contributors.

Chris

[SlowHand]

Know you just being a "cock" teazer. :bleh:
Should actualy call it a biker teazer but does not sound right!

hmm, i dont want to be ghey AND flaky, can I be a flange teaser instead?

[enigma51]

hmm, i dont want to be ghey AND flaky, can I be a flange teaser instead?

cause you asked nicely (Bit ghey) okay then flange teaser it is

[Keystone19]

Really? Not how I interpreted his words.

Hmm, on second thoughts you could be right. Guess it's just the nice side of me that doesn't like to be critical of others personally that meant I read between the lines.

Literary criticism is fully justifiable, personal criticism is unwarranted.

[far queue]

Well, I'm going to go against the flow. I usually enjoy The Dragon Lady's column - not always, but usually. I think Moroney is a dick and his column is a waste of space, as are his other stories, but others obviously like him. I think Nash is great, I look forward to his column, and his other stories are good too.

We all like like different stuff, and no publication that attempts to cater to a wide audience (all the bikers in NZ in this case) is going to please everyone with ALL of it's content. So read the bits you like, and skip those you don't like. Hell, nobody makes you buy it and read everything in it - get over it.

Great mag guys and gals, keep it up.

[chris]

Hmm, on second thoughts you could be right. Guess it's just the nice side of me that doesn't like to be critical of others personally that meant I read between the lines.

Literary criticism is fully justifiable, personal criticism is unwarranted.

So, are you gonna scribble something for us?

[chris]

Great mag guys and gals, keep it up.
Thanks, it's appreciated.

[Keystone19]

So, are you gonna scribble something for us?

Possibly! I'll take your advice and have a read through some back issues and see what is missing, think about what might be interesting and go from there.

[Big Dave]

.Who really reads it, dont you just dribble over the pic's ? ................:yeah:

MOVE AWAY FROM THE ART DIRECTOR'S CHAIR - NOW!

(And hey - read my stuff - it's really good):bs:
XB12X test next issue.

[Big Dave]

Possibly! .

I've got some ummm....portrait shots for the by line :shifty:
(and not bi line then.)

[WINJA]

dont even get me started on woman , giving them the vote set a example i dont even think they should be allowed to do things like writing for a mag , most woman are boring and talk shit so why the fuck would they let one write for a mag , if i wanted to here a woman nag and bitch id go to my mums house for dinner

[Big Dave]

If the above quote is the requirements for the direction of Kiwi Rider editorial and articles I'd be worried as the magazine owner :sweatdrop

Vege? worry? Maybe when the Uberfarter busted a lung and Oscar had to trailer it and he had to double Osborne home from the Desert Road. But that's another story. If there is a better 'damn the torpedoes' motorbike businessman - i'll work for him too.

We're always on the lookout for talent. I'm trying to slot WT's skills into it somewhere, (but stretch is doing the business on the stunts already), goddess of goof is working on an article that sounds meritorious, I'd like to see Jill submit something - no guarantees - it's 'casting' and MacKay has the say.

The magazine tries to cover everything of relevance to NZ motorcycling. That's why it's as thick as a phone book lately. If anyone has something to say - lets hear it.

www.kiwirider.co.nz

and click on contribute.

We're going to change the cover lay shortly. Working on that now.
Current edition is a good 'un.

dc

[Hitcher]

Sally is a great lady -- and one of that great and select band of folk who are the Rusty Nuts. She lives in Wairoa and has a penchant for cruisers.

[Big Dave]

and has a penchant for cruisers.


Is that like...where she keeps 'em and that.

[Edbear]

Got nuthin gainst Sally, she okay in my book, even though I agree at times her column doesn't always get me over excited. If one writes anything in a public forum, one leaves oneself open to criticism. One can never please everyone and the comments here both for and against Nash and Moroney show it isn't just about women. Some of the ladies who post on this thread are pretty sharp! KR is a good mag, though I feel a bit dirt biased for me, though I have to concede the huge off-road interest in this country and they are catering well for that. Generally thumbs up to the mag, been buying it for longer than I care to remember! :calm:

[merv]

Did you know she is an artist as well as a biker http://www.artfind.co.nz/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ArtFind.woa/2/wa/publicView?seekType=3&artistCodeToShow=sallsimp

.... not to mention she is married to an unthinkable a policeman. Not sure if they lurk on here at all.

As for the mag I'm a foundation subscriber.

[NC]

can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?:corn:
because well, i find her irritating, sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems every time i do its just a lot of pointless drivel :Oi: about bullshit (rechargeable piss on batteries, her own life bla bla bla...):crybaby:
people like Nash and Moroney always hold my interest, true motorcycle riders with passion at heart (nash at least)
I have a lot of respect for Nash, he seems to know his shit, bit like motul from this site.
Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!:rolleyes: ,because its too small etc...It seems like she prefers big slow cruisers with a lot of bling (image) (no disrespect waylander), but i wonder if she can ride for shit, and why she writes for kiwi biker?
so..lets talk about her, about posers, and what is the real deal.
im sure many of you are like me, OBSESSED:not: with bikes.
Don't read her coloum then:psst:

[SixPackBack]

Constructive criticism is good right?......Kiwi Rider is bloody expensive for the few snippets of interesting information, for the price it should be glossy and contain more great shots [BD] and less talk.

[NC]

Is that like...where she keeps 'em and that.
Yeah, I was looking at the Oct 05 KR, when you got your new kit.. LOL nice lunch shot.

[Big Dave]

Constructive criticism is good right?......Kiwi Rider is bloody expensive for the few snippets of interesting information, for the price it should be glossy and contain more great shots [BD] and less talk.

It's only $6.25 per issue if you subscribe and 'tis on gloss stock orrready.

If i had my way it would be ALL pics. Unfortunately there is a publisher, editor, designer and staff who all vote agin meh.

[carver]

Recent comments by Australasian Dirt Bike contributor, Warren Jack, in the April 06 issue:
" The anonymity of the internet allows futile little wankers to live out their Arnold Schwarzenegger 'one against an army' masturbatory fantasies by talking big."

Instead of voicing your comments about Sally's writing on here (which let's face it, she isn't gonna see), write into the magazine - readers raves - and ask her to reply to your unconstructive comments.

In fact Carver, it could be arranged so you could have the conversation face to face....

ok, to all who somehow missed the point, read my first post again
sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems pointless to me, chris chris, come on mate, grow up a bit, i mean shit mate, all i wanted (read that first post again mate...come on) was some debate on the matter, on this public forum, i got what i thought off my chest, and i never intened to slag off at her, i mean shit mate, its a motorcycle mag and lets face it, in this issue she didnt even mention motorcycles, it was about her personal experinces with shopping and some badly dressed nutter at a cafe (GET MY DRIFT CAPT. SLOW?):kick:
so, shall we see what other people think about what i have said, so the kb'r team (yes, thats you included) and other bikers can have a say.:corn:
i do enjoy your mag a lot, and your writing mate, but lets take some time to think before we post aye?:Playnice:
keep posting, and thanks all for doing so, most of you guys get the POINT of this thread

[SixPackBack]

It's only $6.25 per issue if you subscribe and 'tis on gloss stock orrready.

If i had my way it would be ALL pics. Unfortunately there is a publisher, editor, designer and staff who all vote agin meh.

Keep pushing BD. Magazines are for light reading and pictures.

[gav]

Dragon Lady, yeah, that rings a bell, sorry don't buy KR like I use to, last one I bought was at xmas, and thats only coz I'd bought pretty much every other m/c mag on the shelf (camping holidays, gotta love it). Since its gone to $10 an issue and with the current mix, I spend my approx $80 per month on motorcycle mags elsewhere. Trying to do too much of everything, any thought to having a seperate dirt mag and seperate street mag? NZ not big enough for both? I don't bother reading the kids dirt, rest of the dirt, adventure rides etc so no need for me to buy magazine. Do buy NZ M/C Trader some times, esp if it has race coverage.

[avgas]

I second this notion.
I wanna hear stories from people who have actually had carbs in the kitchen sink, fairing plastics in the bedroom..... or whole bikes in the lounge.
Stories that actually make you remember the stupid things you have done, from people who still remember what a 25:1 mix is.
I still have a few acticles around that ive kept as they remind me of silly shit. Like one from 'Groff' about 'Lieing, Cheating and Stealing to buy your first bike (TS185)' - as that was my first bike.

[oldrider]

can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?:corn:
because well, i find her irritating, sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems every time i do its just a lot of pointless drivel :Oi: about bullshit (rechargeable piss on batteries, her own life bla bla bla...):crybaby:
people like Nash and Moroney always hold my interest, true motorcycle riders with passion at heart (nash at least)
I have a lot of respect for Nash, he seems to know his shit, bit like motul from this site.
Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!:rolleyes: ,because its too small etc...It seems like she prefers big slow cruisers with a lot of bling (image) (no disrespect waylander), but i wonder if she can ride for shit, and why she writes for kiwi biker?
so..lets talk about her, about posers, and what is the real deal.
im sure many of you are like me, OBSESSED:not: with bikes.

Carver, I bought my copy of KR today and I have read just about all the articles that interest me.

I glanced at Sally Simpson's page and speed read the article. No nothing there to command any deeper attention from me. Moved on to the next page etc.

KR does seem to try and provide a little for everyone, it could be a dangerous ploy! Their brush could end up being too broad, but that's their risk.

Do I feel short changed? No not at all. There are many other pages that get much the same treatment in fact there are probably many more pages and articles that I don't read fully because they don't interest me.

At the end of the day it's my choice to buy the magazine and it is my judgment as to whether I buy the next issue or not based on my perception of value received from the purchase and the amount of personal gratification gained from reading it.

I don't care if Sally Simpson's article didn't interest me in this issue, next time it just might.

As a reader I am prepared to take that chance and I will buy the next issue and collectively the magazine issues will tell me whether or not I want to continue to buy them.

You did ask for debate on the merits of Sally's contribution but you also laced your post with contempt for her which I feel slanted your request with a very negative bias against her.

My impression (from your post) was that you really only wanted contributions that would not be supportive of her. Your prerogative as the poster.

Like buying the mag and reading her articles or reading your post and responding, it was my choice, just as it yours to ignore my reply.

The rest is between her and her editor I guess. Have I missed your point? Cheers John.

[Ixion]

I could not recall her. So I dug out the February copy and found her column (incidentally, what's with the cracked up table of contents - listed her as page 56, it was actually 66). Read the column. Not very memorable - once I read it I remembered speed reading it before - and then forgetting it.

But nothing that anyone could object to. Where is the problem? It is a bit of chicky fluff, but not everything has to be about lap times and carburettors. I presume that her column is not excluding other material? If there was a "ration" of columnist articles and hers was excluding others , perhaps of greater topicality, then it might be different. But I imagine that dropping her column would simply mean a slightly thinner magazine.

If the editor thinks that her contribution is worth whatever he pays for it, who is harmed thereby? Those whom it does not interest need not read it. Simple.

[erider]

Hey I've met Sally and we email from time to time. Yes, she rides bikes, many different kinds. She's been riding them for years and she knows what she's talking about. She gets involved in many biker issues and works hard for us. To meet her is to know she's no poser. Sally is the real deal.:woohoo:

[cowpoos]

Interesting debate. I buy the mag every month and didn't Know SS had a column.
If the above quote is the requirements for the direction of Kiwi Rider editorial and articles I'd be worried as the magazine owner :sweatdrop



well they published an article that sensei wrote....lmfao...call why I love my bike....bwwwaaaahhhhhhh....when I saw it I pissed me self......sounded like something you'ld write and kindygarden....lol...what a twat

[Velox]

Well I quite like her column. It's good to have a mix of lighter stuff and more 'serious' stuff.
And she gave me lots of stickers and a go on a R6 so she's ok with me!:niceone:

[Big Dave]

Yeah, I was looking at the Oct 05 KR, when you got your new kit.. LOL nice lunch shot.

Never underestimate the value of thick sox.

[chris]

ok, to all who somehow missed the point, read my first post again
sure i dont have to read her page, but it seems pointless to me, chris chris, come on mate, grow up a bit, i mean shit mate, all i wanted (read that first post again mate...come on) was some debate on the matter, on this public forum, i got what i thought off my chest, and i never intened to slag off at her, i mean shit mate, its a motorcycle mag and lets face it, in this issue she didnt even mention motorcycles, it was about her personal experinces with shopping and some badly dressed nutter at a cafe (GET MY DRIFT CAPT. SLOW?):kick:
so, shall we see what other people think about what i have said, so the kb'r team (yes, thats you included) and other bikers can have a say.:corn:
i do enjoy your mag a lot, and your writing mate, but lets take some time to think before we post aye?:Playnice:
keep posting, and thanks all for doing so, most of you guys get the POINT of this thread

OK, but maybe you should have read through what you had written before clicking on submit. For example:


"can we have some debate on the forementioned woman who writes for kiwi rider?"

"because well, i find her irritating"

"Sally on the other hand just seems to be (correct me if im wrong!) a poser, the kind of person who wouldnt throw a leg over something lowly like a...uh DT 175!"

"but i wonder if she can ride for shit,"

"so..lets talk about her,"
Do you see my point?

Oldrider put it well:

You did ask for debate on the merits of Sally's contribution but you also laced your post with contempt for her which I feel slanted your request with a very negative bias against her.
My impression (from your post) was that you really only wanted contributions that would not be supportive of her. Your prerogative as the poster.

I'm always going to defend a friend from personal attacks, whether it be on a public forum or not. Her credentials as a motorcyclist are not in doubt.
I don't need to be told to grow up either. Those who had a personal dig at Sally do.

It looks like Keystone is gonna have a go at writing something for us, so there is something positive to come out of this thread.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm always going to defend a friend from personal attacks, whether it be on a public forum or not. Her credentials as a motorcyclist are not in doubt.

I don't need to be told to grow up either. Those who had a personal dig at Sally do.

It looks like Keystone is gonna have a go at writing something for us, so there is something positive to come out of this thread.

That's a blingable offense - have a greenie on me

[Lou Girardin]

I've read KR for a while now, Dragon lady has the occasional column that interests me but the main thing that really annoys me is paying (when I used to pay for it) for screeds of dirtbike stuff. It's time for a separate mag for chook chasers I think.
I've always been amused by the fuel consumption figures in some of the road tests too, they don't indicate a rigorous pushing of the performance envelope.
From memory, a Bandit test reported 18 -19 km/l. I only get that when mine's switched off.

PS Too many Aussies on the staff as well.

[Big Dave]

I don't need to be told to grow up either.

bwahahaha - boy, do you work at the wrong place!

[far queue]

the main thing that really annoys me is paying (when I used to pay for it) for screeds of dirtbike stuff. It's time for a separate mag for chook chasers I think.
There's plenty on here who own and ride dirt bikes AND road bikes, so both sections would probably appeal to them. My one bike is both a dirt bike and a road bike - I use it for the road rides to rallies and so on, and also for playing in the mud. The fact that KR covers it all is what appeals to me.

How about a mag just for Sportbikes
How about a mag just for Cruisers
How about a mag just for Scooters
How about a mag just for Motocross
How about a mag just for Adventure
How about a mag just for ... you get the idea

NZ isn't that big, and the variety is good. What you get is good value for money IMO, especially if you subscribe as Big Dave pointed out.

[TLDV8]

She is about 40-50 y/o odd, im guessing plus sized too.

Sound's good so far :blip:

I don't read KB these days,what happened to the Woman with the BMW that used to write,edit? for KB.

[Oscar]

Vege? worry? Maybe when the Uberfarter busted a lung and Oscar had to trailer it and he had to double Osborne home from the Desert Road. But that's another story. If there is a better 'damn the torpedoes' motorbike businessman - i'll work for him too.

We're always on the lookout for talent. I'm trying to slot WT's skills into it somewhere, (but stretch is doing the business on the stunts already), goddess of goof is working on an article that sounds meritorious, I'd like to see Jill submit something - no guarantees - it's 'casting' and MacKay has the say.

The magazine tries to cover everything of relevance to NZ motorcycling. That's why it's as thick as a phone book lately. If anyone has something to say - lets hear it.

www.kiwirider.co.nz

and click on contribute.

We're going to change the cover lay shortly. Working on that now.
Current edition is a good 'un.

dc

The Panzerbustenfarter threw a lung again on the weekend, and Herr Vege had to annex the KTM LC8 as part of the Greater Fatherland.

Didnae stop me going around the outside mit der wicked slide on der gravel, though....


Here is the BMW abandoned where it fell...

[Oscar]

I've read KR for a while now, Dragon lady has the occasional column that interests me but the main thing that really annoys me is paying (when I used to pay for it) for screeds of dirtbike stuff. It's time for a separate mag for chook chasers I think.
I've always been amused by the fuel consumption figures in some of the road tests too, they don't indicate a rigorous pushing of the performance envelope.
From memory, a Bandit test reported 18 -19 km/l. I only get that when mine's switched off.

PS Too many Aussies on the staff as well.

For your information KR started off as Kiwi Dirt Rider.

[cowpoos]

I've read KR for a while now, Dragon lady has the occasional column that interests me but the main thing that really annoys me is paying (when I used to pay for it) for screeds of dirtbike stuff. It's time for a separate mag for chook chasers I think.
I've always been amused by the fuel consumption figures in some of the road tests too, they don't indicate a rigorous pushing of the performance envelope.
From memory, a Bandit test reported 18 -19 km/l. I only get that when mine's switched off.

PS Too many Aussies on the staff as well.

nah...coz then I would hav to buy two magazines...

one thing that humors me is the action sports bike shots of ross mckay trying to get his knee down for pics like the euro/usa mags do...but he inevitably can't..or looks like a twat trying..and some pics are angled to make it look like the bikes leaning over further..I'm not hassling his riding or anything..maybe they need to make a deal with some one like whitetrash for action photo's for the hooliginisum value they seem to be aming for...I'm sure trashy would offer his services for some saddle time on these press bikes?

[Oscar]

nah...coz then I would hav to buy two magazines...

one thing that humors me is the action sports bike shots of ross mckay trying to get his knee down for pics like the euro/usa mags do...but he inevitably can't..or looks like a twat trying..and some pics are angled to make it look like the bikes leaning over further..I'm not hassling his riding or anything..maybe they need to make a deal with some one like whitetrash for action photo's for the hooliginisum value they seem to be aming for...I'm sure trashy would offer his services for some saddle time on these press bikes?


If they want stunt pics, they'll use Stretch Lupton.
I'm sure Ross will somehow go on living a fulfilling existence without your approval...

[Lou Girardin]

For your information KR started off as Kiwi Dirt Rider.

That would be why I never bought it then.

[Big Dave]

I'm sure trashy would offer his services for some saddle time on these press bikes?


The riding is the easy part - you haven't noticed WT can't string 3 sentences together?

[Big Dave]

Here is the BMW abandoned where it fell...

Wow - those new TKC's really look like they have some bite!
I understand when he says 'cutting a track' now.

[Ixion]

The Panzerbustenfarter threw a lung again on the weekend, and Herr Vege had to annex the KTM LC8 as part of the Greater Fatherland.

Didnae stop me going around the outside mit der wicked slide on der gravel, though....


Here is the BMW abandoned where it fell...

That's even bigger than my BMW! Don't often see them in yellow, bit rusty , but

[cowpoos]

The riding is the easy part - you haven't noticed WT can't string 3 sentences together?

he doesn't seem to do to bad for a squid http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=26146

[Oscar]

That would be why I never bought it then.


Too many big words..?

[Lou Girardin]

Too many big words..?


Yeah, like kiwi, dirt and rider. My experience of dirt riders is that they seem to have suffered one too many concussions. (sorry, hits on the head)

[Oscar]

Yeah, like kiwi, dirt and rider. My experience of dirt riders is that they seem to have suffered one too many concussions. (sorry, hits on the head)


Not me!
Hell, I've suffered three or four too many concusions...there's a tree in Putaruru Forset with my profile imprinted in the bark..





What were we talking about again?

[Big Dave]

[QUOTE=Oscar]there's a tree in Putaruru Forset with my profile imprinted in the bark..


You know how people say 'fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch'?
Little known that this is in fact *the* tree and thus how it got it's name.

[Finn]

Yeah, like kiwi, dirt and rider. My experience of dirt riders is that they seem to have suffered one too many concussions. (sorry, hits on the head)

Hey Lou, you what talking about? I'm am a dirty ryder to and ther'ye nufink rong wiff me. Go fuck me!

[Big Dave]

he doesn't seem to do to bad for a squid http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=26146

So you assume I can *read* 3 sentences together?

[Oscar]

[QUOTE=Oscar]there's a tree in Putaruru Forset with my profile imprinted in the bark..


You know how people say 'fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch'?
Little known that this is in fact *the* tree and thus how it got it's name.

You preeeck..

I'm surprised that you can recall my face, since you spend so much time looking at the back of my helmet disappearing into the distance...

[Big Dave]

[QUOTE=Big Dave]

You preeeck..

I'm surprised that you can recall my face, since you spend so much time looking at the back of my helmet disappearing into the distance...


1 all - halftime.

I've never had a concussion riding.

I've left Otara basketball stadium in disneyland once lately. Matched up on a 6'7" 130kg islander with a seriously hard noggin' and elbows.

Apparently I schooled 'im - but I have little recall - 'Kusbain' they call it.

[Lou Girardin]

Hey Lou, you what talking about? I'm am a dirty ryder to and ther'ye nufink rong wiff me. Go fuck me!

That gender crisis thing happening again?

[Pixie]

... bit like motul from this site.

Who's motul?
I'm new here.
Is he one of the oily members?

[Lou Girardin]

Who's motul?
I'm new here.
Is he one of the oily members?

He's always well lubricated and slurs his typing.

[Pixie]

I meant oily, as in "one of the first"

[carver]

Carver, I bought my copy of KR today and I have read just about all the articles that interest me.

I glanced at Sally Simpson's page and speed read the article. No nothing there to command any deeper attention from me. Moved on to the next page etc.

KR does seem to try and provide a little for everyone, it could be a dangerous ploy! Their brush could end up being too broad, but that's their risk.

Do I feel short changed? No not at all. There are many other pages that get much the same treatment in fact there are probably many more pages and articles that I don't read fully because they don't interest me.

At the end of the day it's my choice to buy the magazine and it is my judgment as to whether I buy the next issue or not based on my perception of value received from the purchase and the amount of personal gratification gained from reading it.

I don't care if Sally Simpson's article didn't interest me in this issue, next time it just might.

As a reader I am prepared to take that chance and I will buy the next issue and collectively the magazine issues will tell me whether or not I want to continue to buy them.

You did ask for debate on the merits of Sally's contribution but you also laced your post with contempt for her which I feel slanted your request with a very negative bias against her.

My impression (from your post) was that you really only wanted contributions that would not be supportive of her. Your prerogative as the poster.

Like buying the mag and reading her articles or reading your post and responding, it was my choice, just as it yours to ignore my reply.

The rest is between her and her editor I guess. Have I missed your point? Cheers John.
thanks mate, what i did was a little rough i will admit, and i am honestly more interested in finding the people who like her page rather than dont, my gipe is that she dont write about bikes in a bike mag:doh:
maybe i was wrong about her, but at least i know now what she is like, so this thread is working (well, for me at least)
thanks all:spudflip:

[carver]

I'm always going to defend a friend from personal attacks, whether it be on a public forum or not. Her credentials as a motorcyclist are not in doubt.
I don't need to be told to grow up either. Those who had a personal dig at Sally do.

It looks like Keystone is gonna have a go at writing something for us, so there is something positive to come out of this thread.[/QUOTE]

good for you mate, i would do the same, all i really did was voice my opinion on her to kick off the debate, (all of the things i mentioned are my own pre conceptions of her and opinions and what i thought of her page).
that madalin (?) chic who writes for autocar now and sometimes pops up in the occasional bike mag was good, ya know?:shifty:
anyways i would welcome any change for the simple reason of motorcycles being the topic in a motorcycle mag.:Offtopic:
i do like the broad spread of your mag, but simply because i do everything, road, gravel, sports, dirt....:headbang:
this thread actually stems from a conversation from a ride that i organised in the weekend, big ups to all 8 of you who came:ride:
and to the 2 that crashed and the yzf 750 that dropped!:no:
we discussed her page, and almost all who talked aint happy with it, comments like "waste of space" , "never read it" etc.. i wanted to know if the wider community felt the same way, this thread reflects that, i asked people to voice their opinions, so naturally i voice my own first.:Police:

[Oscar]

good for you mate, i would do the same, all i really did was voice my opinion on her to kick off the debate, (all of the things i mentioned are my own pre conceptions of her and opinions and what i thought of her page).
that madalin (?) chic who writes for autocar now and sometimes pops up in the occasional bike mag was good, ya know?:shifty:
anyways i would welcome any change for the simple reason of motorcycles being the topic in a motorcycle mag.:Offtopic:




In your original post you say:


i find her irritating, sure i dont have to read her page

So don't.

It's half a page out of a hundred or so.

Use the time to learn capitalisation and how to post quotations...

[Motu]

, my gipe is that she dont write about bikes in a bike mag:doh:
:

This is a bike website - how much shit on here isn't about bikes at all? All sorts of wierd people ride bikes....but apart from you and me they are all fuckwits...actualy,come to think of it,I don't like your punctuation...

[Beemer]

I read some of her articles but not all of them because they aren't that interesting to me. The sad part is, most women don't write very exciting articles about motorcycling - so sorry if I ever bored anyone when I used to write for Kiwi Rider!

As for Nash, he irritates the living shit out of me, both in writing and in person! He didn't bother going to a WIMA rally then wrote a pile of shit about it so I wrote to the motoring editor of the Manawatu Standard to complain that it was inaccurate and he wasn't even there, despite making out he was - probably charged them mileage too! (In case you didn't know, he used to write one article for Kiwi Rider, then change a few sentences and sell it to the Standard!) It was passed on to Nash and he wrote the nastiest response back to me, saying he had phoned a WIMA member (but he hadn't actually spoken to her, I confirmed it with her) and he stood by his work.

I threw it away but a few months later I was in ANZA and he was there taking photos of a Goldwing. Smarmy prick came up to me and asked if I would mind sitting on the back for the photo? I said "but you don't like me, Mr Nash" and he looked puzzled and said "but I don't even know you". I told him my name and watched his face turn red.

I like Moroney's columns, they are invariably funny and well-written, but they could lose Nash and gain a few readers I reckon!

[Jinx3d]

Yeah, well - just to digress back to the topic of the thread - I find her articles boring too, but then I dont think I'm the target audience.

Like Carver, I think articles should be somewhat related to bikes. Maybe Kiwibiker IS full of o/t topics, but I dont pay for them, and I dont read them.

Sure - maybe the magazine would be thinner, but then you could print the latest load of crap about the long long dead lady Diana from the nearest gos mag if you are just packing it out.

The way I see it, if you dont want to talk motorcycles when you are priveledged enough to have a column in a motorcycle magazine - then you really have lost your passion for bikes.

I generally like nash's column, but I think he's an arogant SOB. When I was 16 I used to cruise the bike shops dreaming, phil turnballs, coop honda and anza.

Anza was invariably full of wankers that wouldnt give you the time of day and sure as hell didnt want you messing up the showroom. Still, maybe I've got the wrong guy, I cant tell one beard from another.

Anyway, KR is the cheapest magazine around, you want to read about sportbikes, buy a european magazine for $15, but are they really any better? The ones they send to NZ dont have any of the extras they advertise and Super bike magazine is pretty much just a thinly disgusted stick mag. A readers wives column, pfft. Seedy smelly porn for incontinent old men.

So, In summary -
Rock on KR - you may have your faults, but who the fuck doesnt!

[jonbuoy]

Is that bentman guy coming back from the UK to write for KB again?? He was good, I lost interest in it after he left, it changed the whole mag. I'm sure a whole page of the thing could be used as something more bike related than a page of out someones diary (no offence meant/intended). How about some practicle stuff - how your bike works, how to fix it, riding techniques etc....

[Beemer]

Yeah, I must confess I miss Bentman! He could be a total idiot at times but he was also a lot of fun and he does live and breathe bikes.

Esdaile offered me my first assignment for KR many moons ago - it was the opening of Motorad when Peter Daniell owned it. I covered the Cemetery Circuit and Manfeild for them for about five years and really loved it. I also wrote about my experiences learning to ride (now that was funny...!), our off-road adventures down south, and a few adventure rides I pillioned on. Ross did tell me he was keen to offer me some work in order to get more articles written from a female perspective but the sad fact is no work has eventuated. So I'll carry on writing for publications that do offer me regular work - it may not be as interesting, but it pays the bills!

[oldrider]

Seedy smelly porn for incontinent old men. :spudwhat: What is the relevance of that comment? :shit:

You may live long enough to at least verify the truth of that assumption. :spudwow: Good luck.

[Big Dave]

Is that bentman guy coming back from the UK to write for KB again?? He was good, I lost interest in it after he left, it changed the whole mag. I'm sure a whole page of the thing could be used as something more bike related than a page of out someones diary (no offence meant/intended). How about some practicle stuff - how your bike works, how to fix it, riding techniques etc....


Not privy to the info but I don't think Benty is coming back - he's editing a UK dirt mag AFIK.

How about put the rest of it in a letter to the editor please.

dc