I need more power..... [Archive]

Steve_R6R

14th March 2006, 12:14

... hi all, I have a '03 R6 that I am trying to race. It is fitted with a scorpion slip on exhaust, K&N filter and a power comander. I have spent a day on the dyno, with a base run without power comander of 99.42hp max power and 42.35ft-lbs max torque. After 6 hours on the dyno we got 100.36hp max power and 42.43ft-lbs max torque. I raced the thing at Paeroa, and found it alot more responsive and smoother on the throttle. My questions are,

How much should I expect out of the bike ?
How much power are those other 600's making ?
Should my Ignition table show all zeros?
Will slide stops and velocity stacks help? much?

P.S. I am mechanicly handicaped
Thanks for your input:niceone:

SimJen

14th March 2006, 12:19

Skim the head to up the compression, supposed to work well from what I hear.

vifferman

14th March 2006, 12:27

Should my Ignition table show all zeros?
You can add a few extra numbers, but only if you're running high-octane fuel. I was running a PCII with up to 4 degrees of ignition advance in the upper quarter of the rev range, and 98 octane. Dunno if it helped, but it didn't blow up.

Will slide stops and velocity stacks help? much?
I've heard aftermarket velocity stacks help on the '05 CBR600RR, so presumably your bike could benefit too.
However, I don't think that the manufacturers leave much horsepower on the table for us to find, not without serious mods at least, like cams, pistons, etc.

Sparky Bills

14th March 2006, 12:30

The later model 600's make around the 110+ hp mark (at rear wheel)

If you want my advise...

BUY A HONDA!:finger: :bleh:

Sketchy_Racer

14th March 2006, 15:02

well,

i know a certain 600 that is making 127.5 (or very similar) HP. At the wheel.

thats a fair few aint it....

GR81

14th March 2006, 15:11

cams? *shrug*

Slingshot

14th March 2006, 18:21

You might be better off looking at weight reduction instead of power gains. Have you raced it yet? Is it competitive in it's current form?

Photos?

Kickaha

14th March 2006, 18:59

What suspension work has been done to it?, quite often that is more cost effective than more HP

Morepower

14th March 2006, 21:28

What suspension work has been done to it?, quite often that is more cost effective than more HP
I agree, much more value in making sure your handling and brakes are well sorted , no use having power when you cant use it.

Dave

FROSTY

14th March 2006, 21:54

Steve my opinion.Don't waste ya time and effort hunting for more power.
Focus on the suspension handling and getting the gearing right to suit each track.
Once ya start hunting more power--Trust me its a VERY deep black hole

Steve_R6R

14th March 2006, 22:35

Thanks for all of that feedback, Robert Taylor has had a go at the suspension with ohlins rear and re-valved forks. The bike has done 22kkm, I got it as a damaged repo from turners, so I guess I can't expect too much.
I had a '99 R6 before this one, which had about the same amount of grunt, but the '03 is much easier to ride. :blink:

Steve_R6R

14th March 2006, 22:37

You might be better off looking at weight reduction instead of power gains. Have you raced it yet? Is it competitive in it's current form?

Photos?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26616&d=1140514839

Steve_R6R

14th March 2006, 22:40

The later model 600's make around the 110+ hp mark (at rear wheel)

If you want my advise...

BUY A HONDA!:finger: :bleh:

No No, I want to go faster !!! :slap:

Not slower and poorer....

Steve_R6R

14th March 2006, 22:43

well,

i know a certain 600 that is making 127.5 (or very similar) HP. At the wheel.

thats a fair few aint it....

OK Share it with us, don't just tease.

Bet it's not a Honda!

Watsit?

GR81

15th March 2006, 06:07

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26616&d=1140514839
there is your problem... paint the bike red... red is ALWAYS faster remember!
power in a can! ;)

Sparky Bills

15th March 2006, 08:06

well,

i know a certain 600 that is making 127.5 (or very similar) HP. At the wheel.

thats a fair few aint it....

I know a certain 749R making more than that at the wheel:devil2:
Yes thats right... A 750cc TWIN making that much power!:cool:

Shaun

15th March 2006, 08:39

How much should I expect out of the bike ?
How much power are those other 600's making ?
Should my Ignition table show all zeros?
Will slide stops and velocity stacks help? much?

P.S. I am mechanicly handicaped
Thanks for your input:niceone:[/QUOTE]

I have a Yamaha Race ECU and loom that allows you to adjust the ign curve a lot, and it really helps the Yamaha. This is new, I actually have a lot of spares for one of these bikes, Swingarm, subframe, race fairings, spare wheels with discs.

The 600 I raced and won races on last year only had 103.5 HP at real wheel on GP Trading dyno, I forget what the tourque was.

Slide stops will def help that model

Sketchy_Racer

15th March 2006, 17:17

OK Share it with us, don't just tease.

Bet it's not a Honda!

Watsit?

It is a Kumandsukme ZXR600.

ARGH i know the guy whos it is but i am having a mental block.....

Num 6 anyways and its sponsored by museum hotel....

Slingshot

15th March 2006, 19:06

It is a Kumandsukme ZXR600.

ARGH i know the guy whos it is but i am having a mental block.....

Num 6 anyways and its sponsored by museum hotel....

Is that the one that Derek rides?

Sketchy_Racer

15th March 2006, 20:24

Coyote

15th March 2006, 21:11

Is there any streetstock legal ways of getting a bit more power out of my RG (other than replacing the piston and ring it so desperately needs but I can't afford)

R6_kid

15th March 2006, 21:12

you were at puke with the bike in all red correct? I think that the guy from henderson motorcycles was on a 99-02 model and was one or two places in front of you. I'd say go with frosty's advice and 'learn' your bike for the meantime.

One place to check is ww.r6-forums.com, also if you have the pocket then send these guys and email http://www.yamaha-racingparts.com/r6/ its the yamaha factory team, and for a price tag they will sell you anything that they use on their bikes.

R6_kid

15th March 2006, 21:19

info on some mods for you

http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=252121#post252121

thats site is really helpful as the yanks seem to have money coming out their asses and so do all the mods and post their results...

Hawkeye

15th March 2006, 21:50

YOU need more power....
I'm riding a '85' single pot Honda CBX250.
With a head wind, full throttle I can get up to 50 going up the gorge. Even the pushies are overtaking me :killingme
More power... I need more power...

Ivan

17th March 2006, 13:27

AH HA!!
thats it..

Derek Hill.

yep. Bayden organised the laptop for him to do the dyno runs.
He was teh one that gave me a hand on my CBR when i had it in bits.

Seems a really nice bike guy... (and a nice bike IMO)

Sorry mate thats Derek McAdam your talking about works at Sawyers and is a mechanic part of Musuem Hotel Derek Hill is Vic Club President and races a Yamaha

motobob

17th March 2006, 21:15

well,

i know a certain 600 that is making 127.5 (or very similar) HP. At the wheel.

thats a fair few aint it....

Find that hard to believe for a 600SP. Have you seen the Dyno graph for the bike or was it a slow Thou sneaking in. I'm under the impression that the powerfullest NZ 6hundy's only push out 114 max. Love to have 20+ extra hp in my 600.
Always plenty of rumours around.

Steve_R6R

17th March 2006, 22:40

You have a Yamaha Race ECU and loom that allows you to adjust the ign curve a lot, and it really helps the Yamaha. This is new.

Slide stops will def help that model[/QUOTE]

Thanks

SPman

17th March 2006, 22:47

I know a certain 749R making more than that at the wheel:devil2:
Yes thats right... A 750cc TWIN making that much power!:cool:
yes a 750 cc.........25% more capacity....
typical bloody Italian....gotta cheat to keep up........:rofl:

Steve_R6R

17th March 2006, 22:47

you were at puke with the bike in all red correct? I think that the guy from henderson motorcycles was on a 99-02 model and was one or two places in front of you. I'd say go with frosty's advice and 'learn' your bike for the meantime.

Sorry, I've not raced at puke yet. I don't like the look of those fences much!

But I do plan to get up there. I was hoping for the enduro but its been canned for the moment.

Smokin

18th March 2006, 06:23

... hi all, I have a '03 R6 that I am trying to race. It is fitted with a scorpion slip on exhaust, K&N filter and a power comander.

I would have replaced the rest of the exhaust system as well, You have the rest of the good bits but it still can't breath.

Steve_R6R

30th March 2006, 10:13

I think I should have titled this thread DO I need more horsepower?, of course the answer is yes, just not right now, as the wallet says NO! :( I will do the first round of the Vic club and see what happens. At least I have a good excuse for my lousy results! I am just really looking forward to doing some more racing, it seems to have been a very long time between meetings. Next time my wallet fills up (and mums not watching) I might empty it on some slide stops and a loom...
Thanks again, see ya at the track..:blink:

Sparky Bills

30th March 2006, 13:31

yes a 750 cc.........25% more capacity....
typical bloody Italian....gotta cheat to keep up........:rofl:

HAHA!
And 2 less cylinders:finger: