Big Brother is here.

[Lou Girardin]

If you notice an odd looking addition to the light bars on cop cars, it's a trial of a number plate recognition system.
Apparently it picked 3 stolen cars during a shift on one patrol car.
I wonder how it'll work on madboys.

[Coyote]

Apparently it picked 3 stolen cars during a shift on one patrol car.

Well I'm all for it if it will help find stolen vehicles

[DemonWolf]

Lou where did you get that gem of information from?

[skelstar]

Smells a bit like bullsh1t to me :).
It wont pick up plates if you dont use plates.

[Colapop]

That's a pommy system isn't it?
And you'd get stopped for not having plates if you weren't using them (unless you done a runner...)

[Darryboy]

...And you'd get stopped for not having plates if you weren't using them (unless you done a runner...)

That would be the plan... Texmo?

[Paul in NZ]

It's real and in common use.

Uses include...

Parking buildings
Road Tolls
Police cars
Congestion management
Residents parking etc

If you are paranoid about this stuff... You would probably shit yourself if you knew just how much info was gathered every time you used a credit / eftpos card, bought fuel, went to a supermarket etc etc.. Big brother has been here a fair old while and in fact.. he has bought his whole family..

[vifferman]

Yup, it's real alright. The UK branch of our company made a software package for reading numberplates years ago, to be used by parking wardens and the like. It's possibly the one used in London for their inner-city toll system.

[bugjuice]

I actually saw one on a car the other day and wondered what the hell it was. I thought it was a more advanced speed camera or monitor or something..

Looks bloody huge. But it's real peeps, I've seen it myself..

[texmo]

That would be the plan... Texmo?
no comment

[Skyryder]

So they flash your number in the system and can they see current warrent and rego information i.e have they expired or not?

Skyryder.

[Lou Girardin]

Lou where did you get that gem of information from?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

I don't have a problem with crims being caught.
I do have a major problem with the growing surveilance of our everyday lives.
The ID tatoos can't be far off.

[bugjuice]

what, you haven't got yours yet?
you'll be in trouble...

[Ixion]

Doesn't something like that have to be approved by the Minister and gazetted. Like the speed cameras and radar- they have to prove it is reliable and robust?

Cos I can see the gizmo getting tangled up on personal plates with the 1's and I's and O's and 0's etc. So you get charged with doing miscellaneous naughtinesses based on a gizmo reading your plate and getting it wrong ?

[Lou Girardin]

It wont pick up plates if you dont use plates.

No shit, :sherlock: :rofl:

[Skyryder]

I do have a major problem with the growing surveilance of our everyday lives.
The ID tatoos can't be far off.

So do I Lou. I see they are now taking blood samples of all babies born. Not a tattoo as we know it but..........................

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

So do I Lou. I see they are now taking blood samples of all babies born. Not a tattoo as we know it but..........................

Skyryder

The mark of the beast?
Well they can put it on my arse. I'll make sure I have lots of chilli and beans before an ID check.

[imdying]

Must be time for our 3 minutes of hate...

[Motu]

No shit, :sherlock: :rofl:

He's not stupid y'know - he also has no fingerprints...no flies on our skelstar....

[Paul in NZ]

Without knowing the actual system and what their comms is like but having a general knowledge of how these things work I'd comment that.

It depends.... (typical techo sales crap than translates as I don't really know but heres my guess)

Ask yourself whats this thing REALLY going to do in a car, how big a computer will they have onboard and how fast is the data link between the car and the central database?

So. Will it be checking your rego and wof on the trot? Unlikely because it whould have to process a lot of info and more importantly, pass that info to the server and await an answer. That would be a 'many to many' comparison and I'm guessing difficult to do in real time driving down the motorway but easier to do from a fixed location with a reliable high speed connection.

More likely, a list of known 'plates of interest' would be downloaded to the car at the beginning of the shift. This is a 'many to few' comparison and a lot easier to achieve as all processing is done on board. Live downloads and updates to the onboard list could be made during the day which is how I would do it.

Remember that it may not need to ID the plate exactly, just alert the crew that there is a high possibility that FRG3356 is a stolen car. They can then eyeball it and confirm.

[imdying]

No problem to check rego and wof on the fly. If they're already sending the plate # back to the server, and a yes no result for the rego and wof is only adding another 2 bits to the response back. It's bugger all data to send and recieve, could be done over the cellular network, or packet radio, or some other cool stuff that the police use.

[Finn]

Well they can put it on my arse.

Having met you, I can say there's plenty of room there for it.

[Lou Girardin]

Having met you, I can say there's plenty of room there for it.

Checking out boys arses again Finn? I know they're saying it's genetic now, but you really should keep taking the lithium.

[texmo]

Checking out boys arses again Finn? I know they're saying it's genetic now, but you really should keep taking the lithium.
Maby its because he has a lot of older brother apparently that makes a diffrence as well. Or maby its just because he owns a honda and a scooter.

[Zed]

The mark of the beast?
Well they can put it on my arse.Lol. There are three options Lou but that's not one of them! Either conform to having it put in your hand or forehead, or choose imprisonment and certain death.

'Big brother' is watching you, for lack of a better understood explanation. There is an agenda being followed that will end up in a New One World Order, where there will be only one form of identification, one currency, one religion, one government, and one leader! We have the technology, the scene is being set now, and Israel is the golden key!

[Finn]

Lol. There are three options Lou but that's not one of them! Either conform to having it put in your hand or forehead, or choose imprisonment and certain death.

'Big brother' is watching you, for lack of a better understood explanation. There is an agenda being followed that will end up in a New One World Order, where there will be only one form of identification, one currency, one religion, one government, and one leader! We have the technology, the scene is being set now, and Israel is the golden key!

Been reading the bible again ZED? Sorry buddy, there is no god. Once you're dead the only thing that happens is you start smelling really bad.

[Zed]

Once you're dead the only thing that happens is you start smelling really bad.That's starts happening to some of us before we die though doesn't it pongo! <_<

[TONO]

Been reading the bible again ZED? Sorry buddy, there is no god. Once you're dead the only thing that happens is you start smelling really bad.

Worm shite or fish shite that's the choice and there is NOTHING else.:bash:
Want/need something to believe in? believe in yourself or family & friends.:gob:

[Finn]

That's starts happening to some of us before we die though doesn't it pongo! <_<

It's not my fault, it's the medication.

[Finn]

but you really should keep taking the lithium.

That's what all the doctors tell me but have you ever tried passing a battery?:pinch:

[Karma]

It'll be like Minority Report soon enough... loads of little iris scanners all over the place for targeted advertising and population tracking...

Nothing you can do about it, other than moving to a remote island in the middle of nowhere... hold on... where am I?

[Brett]

Does ring a bit like Revelation to me actually.

[Zed]

Does ring a bit like Revelation to me actually.Yep sure does. Amazing how such an old archaic book written just short of several thousand years ago can be more precise and up-to-date that these modern 'conditioning' movies such as: Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Armageddon, Matrix, Independence Day, MiB, et al.

[Toast]

Man this sucks...so now if you're using a plate from a deregistered vehicle...they can pick ya out of the crowd as the dodgy one in disguise...gutted.

[Mr Skid]

loads of little iris scanners all over the place for targeted advertising and population tracking...

Nothing you can do about itTry poking your eyes out.

[Finn]

Yep sure does. Amazing how such an old archaic book written just short of several thousand years ago can be more precise and up-to-date that these modern 'conditioning' movies such as: Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Armageddon, Matrix, Independence Day, MiB, et al.

I didn't realise Gone with the Wind was that old.

[Karma]

Try poking your eyes out.

Might help if I'm giving it to your mum.... :eek:

[Badcat]

If you are paranoid about this stuff... You would probably shit yourself if you knew just how much info was gathered every time you used a credit / eftpos card, bought fuel, went to a supermarket etc etc.. Big brother has been here a fair old while and in fact.. he has bought his whole family..

the one that really cracks me up is Flybuys.
man - they'll sell ANY and ALL data collected about you (and there is a goldmine in your purchasing data) to anyone with the money.
and NZers piss away their privacy for the promise of a free airflight.

winners.

[Skyryder]

the one that really cracks me up is Flybuys.
man - they'll sell ANY and ALL data collected about you (and there is a goldmine in your purchasing data) to anyone with the money.
and NZers piss away their privacy for the promise of a free airflight.

winners.

Much the same thing with those freebies at the supermarket etc. Fill out the form, name address phone number and go in the draw for a free Harley, car boat etc.

On a different tack, I heard through the grapevine that the reason that the lifetime licences were done away with is so that a new photo data base could be created. New Zealanders were told that these photo's would be destroyed, (kept the clipping somewhere). What we were not told is the the photo's were sliced and sold as an identi kit data base for law enforcement use. Have no idea what sort of money that would bring in, but sure as hell would not have happened in the USA.

Skyryder

[Da Bird]

Apparently it picked 3 stolen cars during a shift on one patrol car.

We can do that in 20 mins in South Auckland.

[Lazy7]

will be a money making MACHINE.

how easy will it be to spot cars with no rego or warrant now! or un-licenced/disqualified drivers.

the computer probably scan the number plate, bring up all the details on the car and driver and have the ticket already printed out in about 5 seconds.

bloody good job i say.

now... where did i put my folding number plate mechanism... :pinch:

[HenryDorsetCase]

'Big brother' is watching you, for lack of a better understood explanation. There is an agenda being followed that will end up in a New One World Order, where there will be only one form of identification, one currency, one religion, one government, and one leader! We have the technology, the scene is being set now, and Israel is the golden key!

what the FUCK???

[Mental Trousers]

No problem to check rego and wof on the fly. If they're already sending the plate # back to the server, and a yes no result for the rego and wof is only adding another 2 bits to the response back. It's bugger all data to send and recieve, could be done over the cellular network, or packet radio, or some other cool stuff that the police use.

Yep. The comms part isn't a problem as not much needs to be sent. And even if they do have a list of a few hundred/thousand plates to watch for loaded into the machine in the car, that search using half decent gear/algorythms etc will take much less than 1 second. Also, scanning the number plates in NZ is very easy as there's only 1 issuing authority so you can gaurantee that an o looks different to a 0 etc. All the plates are made to the same standard. So there are virtually no problem areas with developing this stuff and making it work reliably.

[DemonWolf]

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

I don't have a problem with crims being caught.
I do have a major problem with the growing surveilance of our everyday lives.
The ID tatoos can't be far off.

Hmmm... cheers :shifty:

[imdying]

And even if they do have a list of a few hundred/thousand plates to watch for loaded into the machine in the car, that search using half decent gear/algorythms etc will take much less than 1 second.Hell even a PDA running SQL CE could manage ten times that amount of plates at the sort of speed. Nice thing about plate numbers is they're unique, make a nice little index to search on :D

[Sniper]

Big Brother was hoggin the couch last night with Big Girlfriend. Soon to be many little Big Brother floating around. *Cue Twilight zone music*

[Lou Girardin]

We can do that in 20 mins in South Auckland.

Is that the stolen car quota?

[Lou Girardin]

Lol. There are three options Lou but that's not one of them! Either conform to having it put in your hand or forehead, or choose imprisonment and certain death.

'Big brother' is watching you, for lack of a better understood explanation. There is an agenda being followed that will end up in a New One World Order, where there will be only one form of identification, one currency, one religion, one government, and one leader! We have the technology, the scene is being set now, and Israel is the golden key!

Is that right?
So when are you moving to Montana to live in a bunker with like minded souls?

[Lou Girardin]

That's what all the doctors tell me but have you ever tried passing a battery?:pinch:

Try AAA cells, not D cells. Slut!:doctor:

[Storm]

How you know this boggles the mind Lou.

[Lou Girardin]

It's not really secret squirrel. I know people that know things and I listen.

Then again, I may not be the non-bike owning Lou Girardin who lives on the Shore.

[Zed]

Is that right?
So when are you moving to Montana to live in a bunker with like minded souls?Nah, i'm gonna sell all my possessions and go wait on a mountain top for the trumpet call! :banana:

[Lou Girardin]

Nah, i'm gonna sell all my possessions and go wait on a mountain top for the trumpet call! :banana:

OK. well chuck the 'Blade this way then. You won't need a bike when you get your wings.

[NC]

Nah, i'm gonna sell all my possessions and go wait on a mountain top for the trumpet call! :banana:


Just remember those people that were subjected to hardcore treatment with LSD and electro shock therapy in the 50's 60's for psychotic behaviour.

[madboy]

It was only a matter of time before this stuff hit NZ. As owners of bikes that most of us paid a lot of money for, I can't see much of an argument against a system that makes it easier to track stolen vehicles. Tracking speeding vehicles? Well then we all go silent...

But just like every bit of "crime-fighting" technology, there is or soon will be a method to circumvent or interfere with it. Radar detectors weren't developed for the civilian market because drivers wanted to know when the military were spying on them.

I appreciate not everyone is up to going the full monty and whipping off the plate, or flipping it up. Has anyone considered running a non-prescribed plate? Would one that is subtley(sp) different but still quite similar to the naked eye be enough to fool the software??

[Ixion]

Makes no difference to speeding . As far as a runner goes,if the gizmo can read your plate, the cop could read it now.

As for speed cameras, all it can do is replace the hordes of people who, at present, peer at the photos and read the plate, then manually process the fine.

BUT - big but. At present with a speed camera shot, you get off if there is more than one vehicle in the picture. How is the gizmo going to handle that ?

[Toast]

If the range of these things is farther than the human eye, it's gonna make that split second decision to run or not much harder...anyone know about the range?

[Lou Girardin]

Makes no difference to speeding . As far as a runner goes,if the gizmo can read your plate, the cop could read it now.

As for speed cameras, all it can do is replace the hordes of people who, at present, peer at the photos and read the plate, then manually process the fine.

BUT - big but. At present with a speed camera shot, you get off if there is more than one vehicle in the picture. How is the gizmo going to handle that ?

As I understand it, it focuses on one vehicle.

[denill]

The ID tatoos can't be far off.

Nah, don't need tatoos. When you take your dog in for it's micro-chip implant they will zap one into you too............

But don't laugh, it's only another small step from your ID (driver's license) card that you are obliged to carry.

[Mental Trousers]

If the range of these things is farther than the human eye, it's gonna make that split second decision to run or not much harder...anyone know about the range?

Their range will be equal to whatever lense is put on the unit. Could be reading plates accurately at more than 250m or something.

[kickingzebra]

I saw some spray advertised in Aussie, that would basically bugger up the speed cameras, looked normal to the eye, but when flashed by camera, could see nothing.. I also wonder about polarised number plate covers, swear black and blue I have seen heaps of them on porsches etc... Or a play on the electronic welding mask theme, as soon as it senses arc (or in this case light, or infrared, or ultravoilet or whatever the heck it is) it turns an LCD cover black... Haha, no recognition today!!!

Privacy seems doomed, and we'll all play along nicely... (if they destroy old license photos, how come I had a license re issued once, without having a new photo taken?? huh, huh??? the busstids!!)

CS Lewis was smarter than most of us, and he ended up convinced of the accuracy of the bible, and he isn't the only one! I dare say there is much that we don't know, but could learn from the good book

[Patrick]

Paranoia prevails yet again...bloody "P"... it reads plates and checks them against stolen ones... nothing more, nothing less...

But what the hey...we are watching you all....:devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

Paranoia prevails yet again...bloody "P"... it reads plates and checks them against stolen ones... nothing more, nothing less...

But what the hey...we are watching you all....:devil2:

Heard of the thin end of the wedge?
That's just before they jam the whole "big Brother" thing up our collective arses.

[Patrick]

Watching watching watching....have a wine Lou, (watching) I know you want one...watching... red isn't it??????? I know... i've been watching......

[Ixion]

How long I wonder before the introduce the facial recognition cameras that they have in the UK? (And one UK bureaucrat wanted to make the fact that said cameras couldn't see a biker's face behind the helmet, a reason to ban bikes completely!).

Mind you, Mr Scumdog and his skull mask might have them guessing.

BTW I have heard it said that the UK number palte cameras are linked through a computer program that enables them to monitor your route , by place and time - (ie by switching from one camera to another and synchronising the clocks) .

Bloody technology. Vote Neo-luddite- a free Zorch motorcycle for everyone.

[Paul in NZ]

No problem to check rego and wof on the fly. If they're already sending the plate # back to the server, and a yes no result for the rego and wof is only adding another 2 bits to the response back. It's bugger all data to send and recieve, could be done over the cellular network, or packet radio, or some other cool stuff that the police use.

It's no problem to send that data back once the processing is done but managing the number of potential plates withing view of the camera at any one time is a lot of action to handle.

The way these things work is not quite what you expect. (without knowing their exact system and assuming it's like the ones I HAVE played with)

It's first job is to find and recognise that an object IS a car registration plate. They come in a reasonably large number of possible configs so there is a fair bit of smarts involved even getting that far. Throw in multiple targets to track and complication is rising already.

OCR (Optical Character Recognition) is good but far from perfect. Probably it will recognise some but not all the characters so the gui probably won't tell the operator that the blue car 3 from the right is definately being driven by a master criminal etc. What it will do is say that there is a possibility (usually expressed as a %) that this vehicle is one of the vehicles of interest. Please check. Ie it increases the chances of success by flagging these things up to the operator.

By way of example. If a computer checks a fingerprint or a face, it rates it according to a score. It might tip out 3 or 7 potential matches and it's up to the operator to decide! However, it finds these canditates for a database of millions which speeds things up a mite.

Cheers

[Paul in NZ]

How long I wonder before the introduce the facial recognition cameras that they have in the UK? (And one UK bureaucrat wanted to make the fact that said cameras couldn't see a biker's face behind the helmet, a reason to ban bikes completely!).

Mind you, Mr Scumdog and his skull mask might have them guessing.

BTW I have heard it said that the UK number palte cameras are linked through a computer program that enables them to monitor your route , by place and time - (ie by switching from one camera to another and synchronising the clocks) .

Bloody technology. Vote Neo-luddite- a free Zorch motorcycle for everyone.

Wadda ya mean before?

I think you mean when did they?

And yes, it can recognise bikers wearing helmets with disturbing accuracy as long as it can see the eyes.

Does it work they way you think it does? Nope! See my last post.

[sAsLEX]

Has anyone considered running a non-prescribed plate? Would one that is subtley(sp) different but still quite similar to the naked eye be enough to fool the software??

The software and camera would more than likely use edge detection using a Gaussian and laplacian filter to get the letters and Numbers out by some tricky matrix multiplication......so not likely....10 cents of lecky tape would fool it...and the cops will become relient on it and wont notice the lecky tape

[sAsLEX]

And yes, it can recognise bikers wearing helmets with disturbing accuracy as long as it can see the eyes.


So it recognises someone through only their eyes through a visor?

Would think it would need more reference points from about the face than just the rought measurements it couold make of the eyes from the distances they would be at?

[NodMan]

We can do that in 20 mins in South Auckland.

shit I only got two last night...guess that blows my chances of a transfer to south aucks then....must be time to retire!!!

didnt see you out Harris Rd last night BC...dont you work the real shifts???
catch ya round before you catch me EH BOY!!!

[imdying]

It's no problem to send that data back once the processing is done but managing the number of potential plates withing view of the camera at any one time is a lot of action to handle.

It's first job is to find and recognise that an object IS a car registration plate. They come in a reasonably large number of possible configs so there is a fair bit of smarts involved even getting that far. Throw in multiple targets to track and complication is rising already.

OCR (Optical Character Recognition) is good but far from perfect. Probably it will recognise some but not all the characters so the gui probably won't tell the operator that the blue car 3 from the right is definately being driven by a master criminal etc. What it will do is say that there is a possibility (usually expressed as a %) that this vehicle is one of the vehicles of interest. Please check. Ie it increases the chances of success by flagging these things up to the operator.From the description of the system active in NZ, I would assume that the car in front of the police is the one being scanned. That pretty much only leaves one plate to scrape. It's not really that difficult to scrape the plate from that picture, it's only a matter of how many dollars one wants to invest. OCR is quite reliable on things like typewritten text, as the fixed 'font' improves accuracy greatly. As the number of possible characters is essentially 'controlled', it's a lot easier to tune OCR software for them. I would expect a system like that to be continually taking pictures and scraping them, and then comparing those scrapes together to confirm the accuracy of the result.

[ManDownUnder]

I didn't realise Gone with the Wind was that old.

You still talking about the tattoo on Lou's arse?

[ManDownUnder]

The software and camera would more than likely use edge detection using a Gaussian and laplacian filter to get the letters and Numbers out by some tricky matrix multiplication......so not likely....10 cents of lecky tape would fool it...and the cops will become relient on it and wont notice the lecky tape

I can see that working well.

Unless the response comes back with a Red Honda Civic, for a plate attached to a bus... or the reg or warrant on the vehicle in question lapses and you get pulled over for it...

things start to unravel rather quickly at that point...

[Lou Girardin]

Watching watching watching....have a wine Lou, (watching) I know you want one...watching... red isn't it??????? I know... i've been watching......

Not quite cold enough for reds yet. We did have a lovely Cloudy Bay Pinot the other night though. With Fava beans and a tender piece of liver.
It tasted just like pork.

[Patrick]

So the beans fit through that gimp mask OK then?

[Paul in NZ]

From the description of the system active in NZ, I would assume that the car in front of the police is the one being scanned. That pretty much only leaves one plate to scrape. It's not really that difficult to scrape the plate from that picture, it's only a matter of how many dollars one wants to invest. OCR is quite reliable on things like typewritten text, as the fixed 'font' improves accuracy greatly. As the number of possible characters is essentially 'controlled', it's a lot easier to tune OCR software for them. I would expect a system like that to be continually taking pictures and scraping them, and then comparing those scrapes together to confirm the accuracy of the result.

Accepted. That would mean a more focussed area that the device would be scanning in.

Currently there are a very few plate variations in NZ so really it should be pretty simple.

The accuray will depend on the tuning you mention which is the real art of these things I suppose?

Oh well.. had to happen but from a techie point of view VERY interesting!

[Lou Girardin]

So the beans fit through that gimp mask OK then?

Yep. But you need waxed paper straws for the Pinot. It's just not the same through plastic.
No friggin' screw caps either.

[imdying]

Accepted. That would mean a more focussed area that the device would be scanning in.

Currently there are a very few plate variations in NZ so really it should be pretty simple.Very simple really, that's the scary thing. Plenty of hacks making number plate recorders for service stations these days too.

[madboy]

I gather the UK facial recognition stuff is supposed to hunt known terrorists and wanted people at the upper end of the spectrum, rather than the lower end of offending that we all engage in. It's when it gets sophisticated enough that the bar does get lowered down nearer our level of offending that gets me worried... that's only a matter of time.

But Paul's right... cool toys - the techno geek stuff is very entertaining.

[Paul in NZ]

Facial is a LOT harder than OCR due to the variations. But it is interesting to play with. Let me know if you want to see it in action.

Scanning crowds is not really the current application, too hard.

Mostly it's used for border / access control where you just do a one to one comparison. much easier.

[imdying]

I saw that show on the box about the face recognition software they used at the last US held Olympics. Was doing mass crowds, something line a few thousand face comparisons per minute! What sort of computer was running that show I'd like to know?!? 8 Opterons per camera?!? :lol:

[Ixion]

Hey, I've had an idea. if you tow a trailer it almost inevitably obscures the car's number plate, right? And that's (apparently) OK by the cops.

So all you have to do to fool these cameras is tow a trailer!


Cops may know that Mr BigBadCrook is driving a Porsche rego no 123456 , but they prolly don't know that he's hired a trailer on long term lease from Bloggs trailer hire.

Come to that, if you are a crook, obvious thing you're going to do is hire a car, right. Gizmo reads plate , comes back with Bloggs Car Hire, oh that's OK then

Or easier, he just regos the car in his floozies name.

Wonder if there's a business opportunity there for some loser to make some coin hiring out his name. Have to keep ahead of the cops looking for this guy who's run up a thousand tickets in different parts of the country, but I guess that's not too hard for some folk.

Woz the law on that trailer thing anyway ? trailer isn't a motor vehicle? Can't say a trailer was breaking the limit , the car towing it was, and they don't know the number of that.

[Patrick]

Yep. But you need waxed paper straws for the Pinot. It's just not the same through plastic.
No friggin' screw caps either.

I thought Hannibal liked Chiante with the sliced liver...nicer than Pinot?

[Paul in NZ]

I saw that show on the box about the face recognition software they used at the last US held Olympics. Was doing mass crowds, something line a few thousand face comparisons per minute! What sort of computer was running that show I'd like to know?!? 8 Opterons per camera?!? :lol:

Bugger the PC. I want the camera!

Most of em are shite!

[madboy]

Or easier, he just regos the car in his floozies name. That's what you do when you get disqualified - make sure the car is registered in the name of someone of the opposite sex, preferably with a cleanish record.

[scumdog]

So they flash your number in the system and can they see current warrent and rego information i.e have they expired or not?

Skyryder.

Being doing that the old 'low-tech' way for yonks, of course if your voice fails so does the info flow!!!

[scumdog]

That's what you do when you get disqualified - make sure the car is registered in the name of someone of the opposite sex, preferably with a cleanish record.

And preferably somebody you don't even know - otherwise we press the 'links' button and hmm, "there's an interesting name, let's stop that car and speak to the driver eh"

Big Brother is alive and well in NZ.