Is it a sport? Is it f-

[MisterD]

Rather than go all O/T on OAB's Ice Hockey thread, I really needed to unburden myself on this commonwealth games bollocks.

1) NZ gets a bronze medal for synchronised swimming.
Woo, f-ing hoo. No doubt our tax dollars will now be subsidising the manufacture of sequinned swimsuits, nose clips and waterproof makeup....this is not a sport, neither is anything else that depends some some bunch of blazers of a junket deciding who's better. That goes for gymnastics too.

2) Australia tops the medal table. Right, it's time this swimming malarky was sorted out, having all these different strokes is a waste of time, as if it wasn't boring enough watching eight splashes moving slowly up and down a pool, I mean we don't have 100m for running backwards or hopping in the athletics program do we?

3) The Haka. Everytime some athlete you've never heard of wins we have to put up with their team mates taking their shirts off and doing a bloody haka. We need legislation now to prevent this, there are two acceptable venues for the Haka, before an AB's test match and pissed Kiwis on OE in Edinburgh for New Years.

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I feel much better now, thanks for listening.:cool:

[marty]

1 & 3 have merits, however there is running/hurdles/steeplechase, 100, 200, 400, 1500, 3000m, 5000m, 10000m, marathon, 20k walk, 50k walk, so running has it's issues too....

not to mention hammer, discus, shotput, javelin, high, long, pole and triple jump, all just variations on a theme.

then there's cycling.............

[Finn]

I have to agree with you here. We've got the games on at work and I find it B-O-R-I-N-G. I think I even saw Bowls this morning - WTF? It wouldn't surprise me to see Tiddlywinks.

Of course Australia are kicking our asses. They have a very competitive approach to education and sport. We on the other hand, teach our kids that winning is evil and we have far too many academics involved in sports.

As for the haka, yip, save it for Rugby. To others, it's just a bunch of muntleys taking off their clothes and poking their tongue out. Embarrassing.

[ducatilover]

how bout this.... everytime someone wins and his/her mates get up to do the haka we pull our .308s from our trouser legs and shoot the mother fuckers? now thats sport:bleh:

[Keystone19]

Ahh get over yourself.

They're all sports so what does it matter whether they are in the Commonwealth Games or not. Turn it off if you don't want to watch.

As far as I can see, synchronised swimming has to be one of the most physical sports at the Games. Let's see you hold your breath for two minutes underwater while propelling yourself upside down with your toes pointed. No, I didn't think so.

[Finn]

how bout this.... everytime someone wins and his/her mates get up to do the haka we pull our .308s from our trouser legs and shoot the mother fuckers? now thats sport:bleh:

I would say that too loud in Ehkatahuna.

[MisterD]

Let's see you hold your breath for two minutes underwater while propelling yourself upside down with your toes pointed. No, I didn't think so.

I didn't say it wasn't difficult, it's just not a sport. If people want to watch that shit they should flood a theatre and sell tickets.

[Postie]

is the common wealth games on?????

[Keystone19]

I didn't say it wasn't difficult, it's just not a sport.


So what is a sport then?

[ducatilover]

I would say that too loud in Ehkatahuna.
dont worry im 2k north of eketahuna im sure they cant hear me, im related to half the people there anyway [thats about 10 people haha]:rockon:

[ducatilover]

So what is a sport then?
moto gp? wsb? rugby? any other forms of motor cycle racing....

[Keystone19]

moto gp? wsb? rugby? any other forms of motor cycle racing....

Are they...?

For further information on what a sport actually is, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sport

[skelstar]

My theory is that Olympic/Commonwealth games events should kinda reflect the basics in the Human Being's abilities:
1. We used to throw spears and shit at animals to survive: Archery, Javelin, gun stuff etc.
2. Running fast def has merits.
3. Strength sports def.
4. Gymnastics yes, pretty basic form of physical pursuit, but not rythmn gym. Its dance, bloody difficult Im sure.

I reckon Syncronised swimming is about as virtuous and relevant as Ballroom Dancing as an Olympic/Games sport.

Stronger, Further, Faster. Not none of those attributes at the same time as someone else.

[ducatilover]

Are they...?

For further information on what a sport actually is, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sport
so you mean motorsport isnt a sport? goddamit where did i get that idea from?:whistle:

[ducatilover]

javelin
now that is some good shit! my last attempt at that when i was doing 5th form i got 38.7m not bad for a scrawny bugger:clap:

[oldrider]

Rather than go all O/T on OAB's Ice Hockey thread, I really needed to unburden myself on this commonwealth games bollocks.

1) NZ gets a bronze medal for synchronised swimming.
Woo, f-ing hoo. No doubt our tax dollars will now be subsidising the manufacture of sequinned swimsuits, nose clips and waterproof makeup....this is not a sport, neither is anything else that depends some some bunch of blazers of a junket deciding who's better. That goes for gymnastics too.

2) Australia tops the medal table. Right, it's time this swimming malarky was sorted out, having all these different strokes is a waste of time, as if it wasn't boring enough watching eight splashes moving slowly up and down a pool, I mean we don't have 100m for running backwards or hopping in the athletics program do we?

3) The Haka. Everytime some athlete you've never heard of wins we have to put up with their team mates taking their shirts off and doing a bloody haka. We need legislation now to prevent this, there are two acceptable venues for the Haka, before an AB's test match and pissed Kiwis on OE in Edinburgh for New Years.

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I feel much better now, thanks for listening.:cool:
Thanks for posting "your" opinion. I am free to choose whether to agree or not. Partly I do, some I don't. At least I can choose=freedom.
If you don't like it just turn it off, your choice.
I must admit I am all Haka'd out, it is just getting watered down to mean f*ck all now.
But Aussies can't talk, they have driven me nuts for years with "Waltzing Matilda" and "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi ,oi" all over the bloody world!
They are jealous of the Haka and we (NZr's) are giving them a reason to complain by dickheads completely over doing it.
Too much for me I'm afraid, sick to death of it and getting kind of embarrassed by it but thats just my opinion. :spudwhat: Cheers John.

[Flatcap]

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As far as I can see, synchronised swimming has to be one of the most physical sports at the Games. Let's see you hold your breath for two minutes underwater while propelling yourself upside down with your toes pointed. No, I didn't think so.


Are you high?


Pointing your toes is physical now is it? Hanging upside down is physical?

Holding your breath - now that is a real challenge! I got lots of practice when I didn't get what I wanted as a kid

Syncronised swimming as as much a sport as painting or sculpture

If they want to add another sport it should be Bullrush - that would be something to watch!

[ducatilover]

Ahh get over yourself.

They're all sports so what does it matter whether they are in the Commonwealth Games or not. Turn it off if you don't want to watch.

As far as I can see, synchronised swimming has to be one of the most physical sports at the Games. Let's see you hold your breath for two minutes underwater while propelling yourself upside down with your toes pointed. No, I didn't think so.
if you want physical just go do some kyokushin karate and its actually fun! :msn-wink: and i can hold my breath for semi decent amount of time. pointing my toes...pffft

[mattt]

1 & 3 have merits, however there is running/hurdles/steeplechase, 100, 200, 400, 1500, 3000m, 5000m, 10000m, marathon, 20k walk, 50k walk, so running has it's issues too....

not to mention hammer, discus, shotput, javelin, high, long, pole and triple jump, all just variations on a theme.

then there's cycling.............

I'd agree with you, but what sort of show would a marathon runner put on for the crowd in a 100m sprint? A very pathetic one. Same with the long and short distance cyclists, so in my opinion they qualify as a legit sport for the games as they are going the fastest way possible to the finish line.

Now for swimming - as said before the runners don't hop or go backwards (too slow), the cyclists go to the line as quickly as possible, so yeh freestyle is ok as it's the fastest way to the finish but fuck off breaststroke backstroke sidestroke and masturstroke.

Bowls / rugby / tennis / cricket and fishing - they're games where you practise, not sports where you train. Go somewhere where someone gives a shit.

Gymnastics - these roided russians are cool to watch and it's legal to look at girls wearing bugger all so ok in my book.

Equestrian? Give the horse the medal and more drugs. If this gay sport qualifies then so should MotoGp and F1. They're too cool for Olympics anyway.

Badminton and squash? See tennis.

Judo Taekwondo and Playdoh? This under 51kg Uder 55kg Under 57kg and all that is a crock. If you're a midget, you don't deserve to represent any country.

Think that's all :ar15: :ar15: :ar15: :ar15:

[MisterD]

Are they...?

For further information on what a sport actually is, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sport

No 2. Cor-rect. The key for me is objectively scored, you have to be able to measure by time, distance, goals scored who has won...and don't start with that tenuous argument about referees and umpires being subjective, you can keep that red herring to yourself.

[chris]

No 2. Cor-rect. The key for me is objectively scored, you have to be able to measure by time, distance, goals scored who has won...and don't start with that tenuous argument about referees and umpires being subjective, you can keep that red herring to yourself.
It ain't a sport if you have to rely on someone else to decide if you were good enough to win...in my opinion.

[ducatilover]

Judo Taekwondo and Playdoh? This under 51kg Uder 55kg Under 57kg and all that is a crock. If you're a midget, you don't deserve to represent any country.

Think that's all :ar15: :ar15: :ar15: :ar15:
hmmm judo and taekwondo arent that much of a great sport as thai kickboxing or martial arts but i geuss it all depends on what style you do. whos a midget? im 55kg but im not a midget cos im 5ft 9 so im a stretch midget

[mattt]

hmmm judo and taekwondo arent that much of a great sport as thai kickboxing or martial arts but i geuss it all depends on what style you do. whos a midget? im 55kg but im not a midget cos im 5ft 9 so im a stretch midget

Yeh they should just have one ring, 2 fighters, no gloves, no rules, no weight restrictions and last man standing. They're the general rules in running / cycling / swimming.

[ducatilover]

Yeh they should just have one ring, 2 fighters, no gloves, no rules, no weight restrictions and last man standing. They're the general rules in running / cycling / swimming.
that would be more like it, just dont let the fucking americans have a go cos when they die their families will sue me for selling tickets or something like that. <_<

[mattt]

that would be more like it, just dont let the fucking americans have a go cos when they die their families will sue me for selling tickets or something like that. <_<

Yeh, they'll be a joint country called Ameriraq by then anyway. :Oi:

[ducatilover]

Yeh, they'll be a joint country called Ameriraq by then anyway. :Oi:
im rather discriminant towards americans unless they are in a band i like:Punk:

[Mental Trousers]

1) remove it unless they all agree to compete nude
2) I don't think it's worth the crying and whinging from the Aussies to remove a whole bunch of them
3) better than singing Waltzing Mathilda or Swing Low etc.

[Keystone19]

Are you high?


Pointing your toes is physical now is it? Hanging upside down is physical?

Holding your breath - now that is a real challenge! I got lots of practice when I didn't get what I wanted as a kid

Syncronised swimming as as much a sport as painting or sculpture

If they want to add another sport it should be Bullrush - that would be something to watch!

yeah, I'm high - as usual, sorry 'bout that.

Next time the synchronised swimming is on you watch it and tell me it's not physical. More physical than motorcycle racing...and I'm not saying motorcycle racing isn't physical, I'm just saying that synchronised swimming is more physical.

Good debate though ain't it fellas!

[ducatilover]

yeah, I'm high - as usual, sorry 'bout that.

Next time the synchronised swimming is on you watch it and tell me it's not physical. More physical than motorcycle racing...and I'm not saying motorcycle racing isn't physical, I'm just saying that synchronised swimming is more physical.

Good debate though ain't it fellas!
if i was clever i would say something to put you to shame right about now.....:confused:

[skelstar]

Theres far more virtuous things to have in the games than motorcycling.

Rock Climbing anyone? Now that would be an awesome sport to watch even if you cant climb.

[Keystone19]

if i was clever i would say something to put you to shame right about now.....:confused:

Really! Do tell...

[Lou Girardin]

Ernest Hemingway said that there are only three sports;
Motor racing.
Mountain climbing
Bull fighting
All the rest are games.

BTW How the hell can you have individual synchronised swimming?
What does she synchronise to?

[Keystone19]

Haha, yes we were debating that too, Lou. How can you have individual synchronised swimming?

Actually ol' Ernest is onto something there isn't he. After all it is the Commonwealth 'Games' so it's kind of irrelevant whether it's a sport or not isn't it.

[mattt]

Ernest Hemingway said that there are only three sports;
Motor racing.
Mountain climbing
Bull fighting
All the rest are games.

BTW How the hell can you have individual synchronised swimming?
What does she synchronise to?

Sports that deserve to be there are sports that other people cannot physically do.

For example anyone can ride 30 laps of any motorbike track and do a full days rugby training, but for joe blogs and most of you here I bet my gixxer you couldn't physically run 42.2k or let alone ride a 220km cycle race and still function normally the next day.

Food for thought.

[Colapop]

Why do we have the commonwealth games? They're a relic from a bygone era. The Olympic games are for all people not just for a few - that may not even make the qualifying standard for an Olympics.

Why are we celebrating mediocrity (sp?)? The swimmer got 3rd... in a three horse race that's called last.

The Haka is a challenge not a fancy dance that you can pull out any time you feel the need to celebrate.

Sport these days is like art - it's perception that denotes it as a sport....

[Ixion]

Why do we have the commonwealth games? They're a relic from a bygone era. ...

'Ere hang about. I ain't quite bygone yet. Empire games they was when I was a gleam.

[Swoop]

Why can't the Americans compete???
They were a colony once!!!
Like Hong Kong, India, etc...

:doh:

[Jackrat]

Any swiming sucks,should only do that shit if ya' fall in,an if ya' that close in the first place ya' nuts.One CAN catch shit loads of fish with out geting in the stuff.
The Haka,yeah great when it's done well by the right people at the right times.By a bunch of skinny honkys that don't know half the words and even less of the movment,it's a bloody joke.
Should put a large Maori with a big stick in charge of sorting out skinny honkys that disgrace our country by performing it so poorly.
BTW the mighty Paramatta Eels flogged the worriers on the week end,,,,again

[Ixion]

Why can't the Americans compete???
They were a colony once!!!
Like Hong Kong, India, etc...

:doh:

Cos they spat the dummy and threw their toys out of the cot.

[Swoop]

Cos they spat the dummy and threw their toys out of the cot.
Which is a good thing, so we are not inflicted with "amateur sports" like golf, basketball, tennis, ice hockey...

If ya get paid big $$$ to play, then feck off from amateur competitions and stick to your "pro circuit" prostitution.

[Madness]

I didn't see them perform the haka. You have to draw the line somewhere with that, or soon the bloody dressage horses will be doing it!!

[jonbuoy]

yeah, I'm high - as usual, sorry 'bout that.

Next time the synchronised swimming is on you watch it and tell me it's not physical. More physical than motorcycle racing...and I'm not saying motorcycle racing isn't physical, I'm just saying that synchronised swimming is more physical.

Good debate though ain't it fellas!


Have you seen the state of those GP riders when theyve finished a race?

[Keystone19]

Have you seen the state of those GP riders when theyve finished a race?

Oh yes, I hear ya...not arguing with you there.

But, I would be interested to know what the average heart rate of a MotoGP rider is over the course of the race compared with that of a synchronised swimmer. I know the top synchronised swimmer at the Commonwealth Games has a max heart rate of 220 during a routine so I imagine the average would be up there. It's an arbitrary measure of course given the varying Vo2max of participants but would be interesting to know.

[mattt]

Have you seen the state of those GP riders when theyve finished a race?

Yeh, when rossi got off after kicking ass in the rain in Donington he was shivering and freezing cold. What they're essentially doing is resistance work as their muscles aren't extending much. Resistance isn't as taxing on you as when you're using full extansion of your muscles.
I've hopped off the bike after 200k's in sub zero temp sleet / snow / hail after races in France, my toes have been cold, but my body sure isn't.

Comparing apples and oranges, but riding a motorbike to your 100% ability is a piece of piss compared to a marathon / bike race / sync swimming etc.

[Lou Girardin]

Comparing apples and oranges, but riding a motorbike to your 100% ability is a piece of piss compared to a marathon / bike race / sync swimming etc.


And riding at Rossi's level or driving at Shumachers? Athletes wouldn't be able to hold their heads up after 5 laps at 4-5 g's.
You're right, it's not comparing like with like.