Paedophile awarded $25,000

[Patrick]

Good on Aunty Helen, at it again, forking out taxpayer $$$ to the likes of this guy.:gob:

Cops alerted a neighbourhood that there was a Paedophile living in their area. Poor old kiddie fiddler says his privacy was breached and gets $25,000.

What about the breach to the kiddies privates?:bash:

I suppose he now has $$$ to pay reparation to the kids whose lives he has screwed up????

A Tui moment...:angry2:

Green bling to the cop who outed him.

Hope the cops do in fact appeal...decision hasn't been made... YET!

Edit: Oops more red bling...wrong thread forum apparently...

[Finn]

Well it appears crime does pay under a labour goverment.

[Smorg]

thats fucked

[C_A]

sick, fuck, poor kids whose lives he fucked forever, bet they never got a bean. $25k wouldn't cut it for them....

go new zealand, PC gone fucked, paedo should be glad none of the kids parents came and fucked him over!!!!

[Swoop]

auntie helen has been leading by example....

Get out there and do some more crimes people!!! The attorney generals job is vacant!!!

[Sniper]

FFS, Welcome to NZ

[Finn]

Get out there and do some more crimes people!!! The attorney generals job is vacant!!!

What's the bet an ugly man hating bitch will take his place.

[Postie]

this could be a break through case though. Micheal Jackson could regain his fortune

[Back Fire]

This is so BS... this country is going down hill fast :blank:

[ManDownUnder]

At the risk of asking a dumb question - where is he supposed to live...

And when do the rights of the public outweigh those of the paedophile?

And what about Peter Ellis type cases where there is considerable debate over his guilt as a paedophile?

[Finn]

At the risk of asking a dumb question - where is he supposed to live...


Apparently in Koomeeeooo.

[Indiana_Jones]

And when do the rights of the public outweigh those of the paedophile?



That man should have no rights.

THIS DOES NOT ROCK! :pinch:

-Indy

[terbang]

And when do the rights of the public outweigh those of the paedophile?


When we don't perv on kids.

[terbang]

auntie helen has been leading by example....

Get out there and do some more crimes people!!! The attorney generals job is vacant!!!

Well who voted these cocks in...?

[Finn]

Well who voted these cocks in...?

Terbang, you've just upset 48% of the KBers here. Being a Labour voter is a bit like owning up to being a paedophile.

[Indiana_Jones]

Terbang, you've just upset 48% of the KBers here. Being a Labour voter is a bit like owning up to being a paedophile.

damn right, this labour govt is a bunch of c*nts :moon:

-Indy

[Lou Girardin]

At the risk of asking a dumb question - where is he supposed to live...

And when do the rights of the public outweigh those of the paedophile?

And what about Peter Ellis type cases where there is considerable debate over his guilt as a paedophile?

Now you're just raising the tone unecessarily.

[onearmedbandit]

Reminds me of a similar event a few years ago. Drunk truck driver driving a big-rig smashes into a van killing all 3 occupants. Sure he gets charged etc, along with receiving compensation from acc to the tune of around $80,000 and was persuing another $100,000 from loss of earnings or some other bullshit. The guy was, in no uncertain terms, a murderer yet received compensation from our tax dollars. Fucked up system.

[vixter]

Good on Aunty Helen, at it again, forking out taxpayer $$$ to the likes of this guy.:gob:

Cops alerted a neighbourhood that there was a Paedophile living in their area. Poor old kiddie fiddler says his privacy was breached and gets $25,000.

What about the breach to the kiddies privates?:bash:

I suppose he now has $$$ to pay reparation to the kids whose lives he has screwed up????

A Tui moment...:angry2:

Green bling to the cop who outed him.

Hope the cops do in fact appeal...decision hasn't been made... YET!


fuck i read about this arse this morning it really pisses me off that someone is actually been awarded for what they have done
do these people realise they actually fuck with peoples lives how it affects the child how they grow up how they think how thgey actually deal with relationships no they bloody dont they are only interested in there fuckin power and to get themselves off fuck if he lived near me i would chop his fuckin balls off
anyhow im going to have a beer as im wound up to fuck!!

[Swoop]

At the risk of asking a dumb question - where is he supposed to live...

A shallow grave somewhere in the Kaimais......?

[T.I.E]

shit thought this was new zealand not america

[Sutage]

he should live in the ground
ppl like that deserve nothing and no place in society
he prob got a hard time in prison tho, so send the fucker back for ever !!

[justsomeguy]

he prob got a hard time in prison tho, so send the fucker back for ever !!

Hey now wait a minute. Prison's supposed to be a bad place, they don't have satellite TV and heated pools and room service and free bars. I'm sure he's repented and found God and done all those other things prisoners tell their parole board.

So he should be given an apartment in the Viaduct (that's a prime location in Auckland - for all you non-Aucklanders) and a Lamborghini and an all access pass to the White House or Junior School in his case.

If not he'll sue us - as we pay for whatever that judge agrees to.

The most classic case I heard on one of those news programs was of a robber who broke into a house and had the owners dogs put down (killed) as he proved they were too dangerous.

Don't ya love it??:woohoo:

[vixter]

Hey now wait a minute. Prison's supposed to be a bad place, they don't have satellite TV and heated pools and room service and free bars. I'm sure he's repented and found God and done all those other things prisoners tell their parole board.

So he should be given an apartment in the Viaduct (that's a prime location in Auckland - for all you non-Aucklanders) and a Lamborghini and an all access pass to the White House or Junior School in his case.

If not he'll sue us - as we pay for whatever that judge agrees to.

The most classic case I heard on one of those news programs was of a robber who broke into a house and had the owners dogs put down (killed) as he proved they were too dangerous.

Don't ya love it??:woohoo:


fuck this country just gets better and better and i thought us poms were bad

[vixter]

fuck this country just gets better and better and i thought us poms were bad


in the uk they were bringing out a new law saying that they was going to only accept confessions of those who come forward about there abusers whithin ten years of the time it happened, which is a bag of wank to say the least, most people who come forward are much older than that as they are only children at that time and prob only strong enough to come forward at a later stage in life
should bring back capital punishment!

[hunt]

he should live in the ground
ppl like that deserve nothing and no place in society
he prob got a hard time in prison tho, so send the fucker back for ever !!

know a guy who had kitchen duti while in jail,got to prepare meals for the kiddie f..k..s because there's some bullshit about keeping them seperate from other prisoners, said among other things it was quite common for their meals to be rubbed around the urinals before being given to them,

coppers should really use a bit of stealth when informing neighbourhoods, so that the fu.k..s cant get any compo

[WINJA]

that cop is a champion , im glad he got promotion and the support of his fellow officers , he's got my respect

[Crazy Steve]

I recently tried for $150k from the crown....

As I was wron_ly accused of a crime..........

Didnt end up _ettin_ 150.....But I did _et 90k.......

I say _ud on him....$25k wasnt enou_h...

Pi_s should learn to keep there mouths shut!!!!!!!!

Crazy Steve...

[Crazy Steve]

Your an idiot....:tugger:

And did I mention.......":ride: a slow slow rider"

Crazy Steve...

[Madness]

I suppose the guy is in a government provided house, on a benefit, with a government supplied Fleshlight.

Fuck This!! Time to take up arms I say...... Jihad on KF'ers
:ar15: :ar15: :ar15: :ar15: :ar15:

[vixter]

Your an idiot....:tugger:

And did I mention.......":ride: a slow slow rider"

Crazy Steve...

heard he was a bit of a soft cock!!

[WINJA]

heard he was a bit of a soft cock!!
WONDER WHO YOU WOULDA HEARD THAT FROM , BTW VIXTER I HEARD YOUR A REAL WHORE

[Karma]

You guys are joking right?

I understand the hatred of kiddie fiddlers... and I totally agree, but saying the copper was right to put his name out there is totally wrong.

Don't suppose anyone remembers the Mirror / Sun whatever it was in the UK that started releasing the list of peadophiles addresses in the uk... well these guys started getting lynched... nobody bothered checking what they'd done.

I don't agree with what these peadophiles have done, and they can never give back what they've taken from these kids, but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.

If they've been sent to prison, and done their time, then they're entitled to be released into an environment where they won't be lynched for a crime which they've already paid for.

Edit - but under no circumstances should they have awarded damages... that is nuts.

*dons flameproof jacket*

[Patrick]

The only other point worth mentioning is...

I'm sure he wouldn't have the brains to do the compo claim himself... probably his "Legal Aid Lawyer" sorted it all out for him (and got his commission too no doubt...).

As for where should he live? Put him in with the lawyer... but thats not fair on the lawyers kids though... Quite like the "ground" idea. How about a 15c lead injection?

[vixter]

WONDER WHO YOU WOULDA HEARD THAT FROM , BTW VIXTER I HEARD YOUR A REAL WHORE


i didnt here i just know!
yeah thought id seen you hanging around the pelican club before
can you just not afford to come in
why wait outside looking through the window playing with yourself id notice that small prick anywhere!

[kels]

do these people realise they actually fuck with peoples lives how it affects the child how they grow up how they think how thgey actually deal with relationships no they bloody dont they are only interested in there fuckin power and to get themselves off fuck if he lived near me i would chop his fuckin balls off
Hear Hear, Bling coming your way!

[vixter]

You guys are joking right?

I understand the hatred of kiddie fiddlers... and I totally agree, but saying the copper was right to put his name out there is totally wrong.

Don't suppose anyone remembers the Mirror / Sun whatever it was in the UK that started releasing the list of peadophiles addresses in the uk... well these guys started getting lynched... nobody bothered checking what they'd done.

I don't agree with what these peadophiles have done, and they can never give back what they've taken from these kids, but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.

If they've been sent to prison, and done their time, then they're entitled to be released into an environment where they won't be lynched for a crime which they've already paid for.

Edit - but under no circumstances should they have awarded damages... that is nuts.

*dons flameproof jacket*

they shud never be fuckin released i totally agree with printing there names in the papers dont fuckin do it in the first place...
there is no reasoning for people like that

[WINJA]

Your an idiot....:tugger:

And did I mention.......":ride: a slow slow rider"

Crazy Steve...
YOU DONT EVEN OWN A BIKE , BUT EVEN WHEN YOU DID YOU COULDNT CATCH ME

[Patrick]

At the risk of asking a dumb question - where is he supposed to live...

And when do the rights of the public outweigh those of the paedophile?

And what about Peter Ellis type cases where there is considerable debate over his guilt as a paedophile?


Aaahhhhhh.... so you are the legal aid lawyer then.... or is it bush lawyer?

1. Yep, dumb question.
2. Shouldn't they always?
3. Who says he isn't guilty... (old old threads there... lets not go there again)

[WINJA]

i didnt here i just know!
yeah thought id seen you hanging around the pelican club before
can you just not afford to come in
why wait outside looking through the window playing with yourself id notice that small prick anywhere!
SHOULD I HAVE SAID CRACKWHORE THEN , NO WONDER YOUR HUSBAND LEFT YOU

[vixter]

SHOULD I HAVE SAID CRACKWHORE THEN , NO WONDER YOUR HUSBAND LEFT YOU

ooh such hard words for such a little!!! man

arent getting any are we?

[Crazy Steve]

I think Winja has been known to han_ out at the pelley club....

Problem is hes refused entry everytime...

Probaly because he has his fun size mars bar in his hand as he walks throu_h the door..

Crazy Steve....

[WINJA]

ooh such hard words for such a little!!! man

arent getting any are we?
SO YOU DO KNOW NOTHING, YOU THINK YOUR SMART BUT IN REALITY YOUR JUST A WALKING SPERM BANK AND THATS THE TRUTH AND YOU KNOW IT AND SO DO ABOUT 6 GUYS ON THIS SITE, INFACT A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE YOU WOULD BE A STINKING USED CONDOM

[vixter]

I think Winja has been known to han_ out at the pelley club....

Problem is hes refused entry everytime...

Probaly because he has his fun size mars bar in his hand as he walks throu_h the door..

Crazy Steve....

maybe the fat bastard cant get through the door!!

[Crazy Steve]

When you know I do....

Dont make Me make a lyer out of you....:blink:

Crazy Steve...

[WINJA]

:zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz:
I think Winja has been known to han_ out at the pelley club....

Problem is hes refused entry everytime...

Probaly because he has his fun size mars bar in his hand as he walks throu_h the door..

Crazy Steve....

[vixter]

SO YOU DO KNOW NOTHING, YOU THINK YOUR SMART BUT IN REALITY YOUR JUST A WALKING SPERM BANK AND THATS THE TRUTH AND YOU KNOW IT AND SO DO ABOUT 6 GUYS ON THIS SITE, INFACT A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE YOU WOULD BE A STINKING USED CONDOM
and who would that be then seeing as your a smart arse bastard who knows anything and everything

[WINJA]

and who would that be then seeing as your a smart arse bastard who knows anything and everything
FIGURE IT OUT WHORE , IT'LL BE THE JOHNS THAT PAID YOU , WHAT A FILTHY WHORE

[vixter]

When you know I do....

Dont make Me make a lyer out of you....:blink:

Crazy Steve...


sweet think winja is gonna make himself to look like a daft twat oh fat twat himself

[vixter]

FIGURE IT OUT WHORE , IT'LL BE THE JOHNS THAT PAID YOU , WHAT A FILTHY WHORE


hmmmm :finger:

might have enough then to get a bike me thinks!!

[Ixion]

Getting a bit overheated in here chasps. :Playnice: now

[Indoo]

but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.


No they are not. They are released back with f all supervision if any and still retain the exact same tendancies they did which caused them to be locked up in the first place. The only thing that will stop them is castration, which would be a fantastic idea.

This guy was a recidivist kiddy fiddler of the worst kind and he got a house right by some schools and other places where kids hang out. It was basically asking for it to happen again.

[terbang]

I'm usually standing on my human rights soapbox during these sort of debates. However when it comes to pedophiles Im with the lynch mob..!

[mstriumph]

if the family of a child he has molested wanted to remonstrate with a pedophile with a lump of 2 x 4 down a dark alley i wouldn't think twice about walking right on by, seeing nothing..........

nevertheless --- for their own sakes they'd better be very sure that the child was actually molested and the guy they were dealing with actually did the molesting ......... not easy to live with, i imagine, finding out afterwards you were wrong?

[Swoop]

You guys are joking right?
...but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

Oh feck that's good... I fell off my chair reading that...

in fact :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ohhh, my ribs are hurting now!

Good joke Weasel!!!

[WINJA]

And what about Peter Ellis type cases where there is considerable debate over his guilt as a paedophile?
THAT WAS A REAL DODGY CONVICTION TO START WITH, I REALLY DONT BELIEVE THAT GUY DID IT , GUYS LIKE ELLIS DONT TEND TO BE KIDDY FIDDLERS , HE LIKED TO DRESS LIKE A WOMAN AND DATE MEN , HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED AND HAD THE COURAGE TO LET THE WORLD KNOW , HE WAS A BIT WEIRD AND IT WAS EASY TO POINT THE FINGER THERE WOULD BE COPS OUT THERE WHO DONT THINK ELLIS WAS GUILTY ,MOST OF HIS FELLOW INMATES THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT

[Finn]

I suppose the guy is in a government provided house, on a benefit, with a government supplied Fleshlight.


Knowing this Government, they're probably supplying him with kids as well.

[Karma]

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

Oh feck that's good... I fell off my chair reading that...

in fact :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ohhh, my ribs are hurting now!

Good joke Weasel!!!

Ok ok... maybe NZ is different, but in the UK they are kept an eye on.

Perhaps we should be asking then, not why this guy was paid compensation, but why the police / govt weren't keeping an eye on where he was living in the first place...

If the police knew he was living there, they should have asked / made him move somewhere else, would have been safer / easier for all involved (and probably cheaper as well).

[SwanTiger]

THAT WAS A REAL DODGY CONVICTION TO START WITH, I REALLY DONT BELIEVE THAT GUY DID IT , GUYS LIKE ELLIS DONT TEND TO BE KIDDY FIDDLERS , HE LIKED TO DRESS LIKE A WOMAN AND DATE MEN , HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED AND HAD THE COURAGE TO LET THE WORLD KNOW , HE WAS A BIT WEIRD AND IT WAS EASY TO POINT THE FINGER THERE WOULD BE COPS OUT THERE WHO DONT THINK ELLIS WAS GUILTY ,MOST OF HIS FELLOW INMATES THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT

Really. Are you a know it all or were you his cell bitch?

We know you did time for animal cruelty, tell the full story! :corn:

[MisterD]

damn right, this labour govt is a bunch of c*nts :moon:

-Indy

Indiana Jones in sensible utterance shock!

[sAsLEX]

, along with receiving compensation from acc to the tune of around $80,000 and was persuing another $100,000 from loss of earnings or some other bullshit. The guy was, in no uncertain terms, a murderer yet received compensation from our tax dollars. Fucked up system.

And ACC people get the flashest gear under care such as wheelchairs where people born handicapped/disabled/spastic or whatever pc term is appropriate these days get old shitty stuff. I dissagree with this for drunks, but as I have paid ACC for years now its nice to know that it does count for somethingif the worse happens

[Grahameeboy]

I agree that he compensation is just ridiculous. He should just have been moved.

However, PDF or Murderer, they all serve their time and when they get out they deserve some privacy....yeah I know they violated kids, however, we cannot just slot criminals in the box that best suits us and say. well he is okay but this one is not.........preventing a PDF from having some privacy....which surely is what we want with these guys anyway i.e. keep them alone......could prevent 'rehabilitation'.

[sAsLEX]

However, PDF or Murderer, they all serve their time and when they get out they deserve some privacy....yeah I know they violated kids, however, we cannot just slot criminals in the box that best suits us and say. well he is okay but this one is not.........preventing a PDF from having some privacy....which surely is what we want with these guys anyway i.e. keep them alone......could prevent 'rehabilitation'.

Maybe the cop relised that rehabilitation just dont happen in our judicial system, look at our re-offending rate

[Grahameeboy]

And ACC people get the flashest gear under care such as wheelchairs where people born handicapped/disabled/spastic or whatever pc term is appropriate these days get old shitty stuff. I dissagree with this for drunks, but as I have paid ACC for years now its nice to know that it does count for somethingif the worse happens

Not quite true......I get new stuff for Natalie, it is just a fight to get it and it all comes down to the Budget......Natalie has a $30,000 powered wheelchair, a standing frame $7,000 and a high/low chair $5,000 so $42,000 so far.

I ended up e-mailing Annette King, Health Minister at time to get the ball rolling and got action within a week....

I have the same issue with the drunk driver and ACC thing but we are all human and make mistakes.....they are a victim and it is the system which needs sorting out.

[sAsLEX]

Not quite true......

Just what I heard from a freind, who is now a Quadrapledgic after wrapping his car round a pole driving home from work late at night, from what he has seen during his time in hospital

[Grahameeboy]

Maybe the cop relised that rehabilitation just dont happen in our judicial system, look at our re-offending rate

I agree but these people need help so it is not the offender that we should be hassling but the Govt for failing to do it.

I mean, this guy may have been trying to sort his life out, he gets pinged by a neighbour, has to move and start all over again........then he thinks, what is the point and re-offends.....every one deseves a chance because you have to see through things and beyond....

[Grahameeboy]

Just what I heard from a freind, who is now a Quadrapledgic after wrapping his car round a pole driving home from work late at night, from what he has seen during his time in hospital

Fair enough, not 'aving a pop......ACC victims do get gold treatment but with disabled kids it is just more of an effort.........

[Streetwise]

Well this is something that i find very interesting, My 3 year old daughter and her aunty walked through newtown in wellington a couple of months ago and that sick cunt walked past and looked at her, I was in my car just by chance passing by at that same time. I must say that i have never had such a feeling that i would want to do damage to anyone like i had that day. But a saving grace before i stepped out of my vehicle, A rather large maori fella walked over a smashed a hot pie in this sick pricks face. Im not into people being hurt for no reason but this guy has been found guilty 3-4 times before, I think he should be killed, Ive got four kids and i would draw blood for anyone of them.

[hunt]

I agree but these people need help so it is not the offender that we should be hassling but the Govt for failing to do it.

I mean, this guy may have been trying to sort his life out, he gets pinged by a neighbour, has to move and start all over again........then he thinks, what is the point and re-offends.....every one deseves a chance because you have to see through things and beyond....


yea everyone does get a chance, that fu.ker blew his by molesting kids,
blaming the government is a load of crap, the community needs to know who these people are to protect the kids, youre not going to cure the guy, but you could lesson the chances of him reoffending.

[ManDownUnder]

Aaahhhhhh.... so you are the legal aid lawyer then.... or is it bush lawyer?

edit - I see I'm dragging this off topic. The question isn't about the guy's guilt or otherwise, it's more about where he should live and his rights to privacy

1. Yep, dumb question.
2. Shouldn't they always?
3. Who says he isn't guilty... (old old threads there... lets not go there again)

Mate - you've jumped on it all a bit hard. I'm no lawyer, but I've lived long enough to see and hear about innocent men deprived of too many rights in the name of swift justice.

We sate the thirst for societal revenge with men's freedom - and that's stupid. I don't care if I'm unpopular for saying it... I'd rather know the person being locked up actually IS the bad guy.

But then - I thought that was obvious. No?

As for the responses...
1) ok then - gimme the dumb answer. Suggestions are very welcome. Are you saying paeds should be locked up for life, or be put to death... ? What about those wrongly convicted - or is killing them an acceptable price?

2) No. What if they are wrongly convicted - or would that be an acceptable price?

3) Not me, but I'm not saying he's inncent either.

[Grahameeboy]

yea everyone does get a chance, that fu.ker blew his by molesting kids,
blaming the government is a load of crap, the community needs to know who these people are to protect the kids, youre not going to cure the guy, but you could lesson the chances of him reoffending.

Fair enough....I just try to see beyond.......now that does not mean that I agree with what he did.......and yes if a repeater they shoud be kept away from Society...

I am just saying that the Govt should attend to issues, not the Public.......that guy in other post who smashed a pie in the PDF's face..........just not on in my book.

There was a case in UK a while ago and some guy comes back from holiday and finds his house has been trashed and there is PDF spraypaint all over his house.......turns out that he was a a Pedeatrician..........

[BuFfY]

Why in this case do two wrongs make it right?
Personally I do find this issue disgusting and he shouldn't have been given any money because of his background... but noone has the right to fully expose other peoples past. He may have learnt from his mistake! Believe it or not there are many people who can change their lives around and even try to help other people with their problems....
Has anyone thought about maybe why people like this do this stuff? Or are they just considered disgusting straight away... always men aswell.
At uni we are told about how hard it is to be a male teacher because of all the publicity about this stuff and it is meaning people who would be amazing teachers wont because of the public view of men.
It quite anoys me because many schools now how no touch policies... which is sooo hard when a little child is crying and you're not allowed to hug them!

[hunt]

Fair enough....I just try to see beyond.......now that does not mean that I agree with what he did.......and yes if a repeater they shoud be kept away from Society...

I am just saying that the Govt should attend to issues, not the Public.......that guy in other post who smashed a pie in the PDF's face..........just not on in my book.

There was a case in UK a while ago and some guy comes back from holiday and finds his house has been trashed and there is PDF spraypaint all over his house.......turns out that he was a a Pedeatrician..........

I dont agree with vigilante type behaviour either, that maybe where the problem lys,on one hand trying to prevent reoffending and on the other, more crimes being committed, that type of action would only drive the pdf more "underground"

[Grahameeboy]

Why in this case do two wrongs make it right?
Personally I do find this issue disgusting and he shouldn't have been given any money because of his background... but noone has the right to fully expose other peoples past. He may have learnt from his mistake! Believe it or not there are many people who can change their lives around and even try to help other people with their problems....
Has anyone thought about maybe why people like this do this stuff? Or are they just considered disgusting straight away... always men aswell.
At uni we are told about how hard it is to be a male teacher because of all the publicity about this stuff and it is meaning people who would be amazing teachers wont because of the public view of men.
It quite anoys me because many schools now how no touch policies... which is sooo hard when a little child is crying and you're not allowed to hug them!

Totally agree BuFty.........nice to see someone who sees through things.......

Teachers..I know that is close to you........well I know you are not a male but in this day and age it is a shame........a friend of mine whose Wife left him accused him of molesting his own kids.....it was all crap and he still does not see his kids 7 years later..........

Even at Church on Sunday this PC thing was raised.....

[Streetwise]

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

[Finn]

Human rights, Privacy act, bla, bla, bla.

We're not talking speeding tickets here folks. We're talking about a mentally derranged kiddy fuckers. Most serious criminals re-offend once we've pampered them in jail for a couple of years.

This do-gooder, criminals have rights mentality sucks in NZ. Here's a scenario that has actually happended. A new guy moves in next door. He seems really nice and your kids like him. You get to know him as he seems fine. One day, you let your kid go next door. He has his wicked way with him. You later find out that a government department put him there knowing he was a kiddy fucker.

But of course, you're happy with this as you voted for Labour and they know whats best for you and your children. You give your little boy a shower and tell him best to keep away from that neighbour. That night you bake a cake for your neighbour because you feel sorry for him. After all, it's not his fault.

Stop pampering criminals!

[Finn]

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

You've met Cowpoos?

[Patrick]

Mate - you've jumped on it all a bit hard. I'm no lawyer, but I've lived long enough to see and hear about innocent men deprived of too many rights in the name of swift justice.

We sate the thirst for societal revenge with men's freedom - and that's stupid. I don't care if I'm unpopular for saying it... I'd rather know the person being locked up actually IS the bad guy.

But then - I thought that was obvious. No?

As for the responses...
1) ok then - gimme the dumb answer. Suggestions are very welcome. Are you saying paeds should be locked up for life, or be put to death... ? What about those wrongly convicted - or is killing them an acceptable price?

2) No. What if they are wrongly convicted - or would that be an acceptable price?

3) Not me, but I'm not saying he's inncent either.

Nothing hard here... good fishing...but this one isn't innocent, is a recidivist PDF. No doubts about it. He IS the bad guy.

1. What was the Q again? If he was locked up for life, there are at least 3 other victims (going by other posts here) who would not have been victims...ever wonder how many more victims of his are out there and are still too young/scared to come forward? How many more will there be in the future? What would be acceptable to the victims? Don't they get a life sentence from his fiddling?

2. Fair enough, but not in this case...

3. Who knows... multiple court cases have accepted his guilt...maybe he actually is?

[Grahameeboy]

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

Fair enough......that is your choice.............

[Grahameeboy]

Human rights, Privacy act, bla, bla, bla.

We're not talking speeding tickets here folks. We're talking about a mentally derranged kiddy fuckers. Most serious criminals re-offend once we've pampered them in jail for a couple of years.

This do-gooder, criminals have rights mentality sucks in NZ. Here's a scenario that has actually happended. A new guy moves in next door. He seems really nice and your kids like him. You get to know him as he seems fine. One day, you let your kid go next door. He has his wicked way with him. You later find out that a government department put him there knowing he was a kiddy fucker.

But of course, you're happy with this as you voted for Labour and they know whats best for you and your children. You give your little boy a shower and tell him best to keep away from that neighbour. That night you bake a cake for your neighbour because you feel sorry for him. After all, it's not his fault.

Stop pampering criminals!

Oh Finny..........................I think I need to buy you a drink on Saturday.......my treat.....whoops......I said "Treats".......eck.........I need to hide.....

[Patrick]

Why in this case do two wrongs make it right?
Personally I do find this issue disgusting and he shouldn't have been given any money because of his background... but noone has the right to fully expose other peoples past. He may have learnt from his mistake! Believe it or not there are many people who can change their lives around and even try to help other people with their problems....


Whats wrong with it? Wouldn't you demand to know why you weren't warned about him if he moved in next door to you and prowled on your kids?

You say he may have learnt from his mistake etc etc... BIG Tui moment here... he is a recidivist PDF. Caught "only" 4 times so far...

Quite right about the male teachers though. Damn shame. Have a new one at my daughters school and good on him. All power to the male teachers coz we sure as hell need em too!

[hunt]

Yea its all good to say o no he should have rights, But wait till you walk past the man on the street, You may be very supprised by your feelings and actions, I was.

i'm trying to think of a reply,but can't, longer prison sentences,keep them off the streets but now i'm supporting grahmeeboy and blaming the government

[ManDownUnder]

Nothing hard here... good fishing...but this one isn't innocent, is a recidivist PDF. No doubts about it. He IS the bad guy.

1. What was the Q again? If he was locked up for life, there are at least 3 other victims (going by other posts here) who would not have been victims...ever wonder how many more victims of his are out there and are still too young/scared to come forward? How many more will there be in the future? What would be acceptable to the victims? Don't they get a life sentence from his fiddling?

2. Fair enough, but not in this case...

3. Who knows... multiple court cases have accepted his guilt...maybe he actually is?

Actualy - re-reading my post - I've dragged it off topic...

Yeah - I understand he's guilty, which poses the question - where should he live (that Q1), and if in public, should his rights be diminished, and/or did the cop do the right thing.

For the record - I think the cop DID do the right thing, despite the rules he broke. The rules need discussing, not the cop.

I paeds should be restricted to environments where their unsurpervised access to children is impossible, ideally in low population density areas further reducing their ability to do damage due to reduced opportunity.

All that being said - wouldn't it be nice to have them paying taxes (i.e. working) rather than suckin' up taxes in prison? Is there room for paeds to do eomthing liek DOC work on an island, or something like that?

Just a conversation starter for 10...

also - as a last thought - I'm actually all for offering castration to those willing to undergo it. I expect that would go a long way to quelling sexual urges, and probably put the minds of society somewhat at rest...

[BuFfY]

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!

[Grahameeboy]

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!

I know.....what ever happened to "Now don't talk to strangers" that we used to be taught.....not a lot has changed since expect that I think that kids are often allowed to go off on their own too much and too young.............the power is in our hands.

[hunt]

Instead of bitchin and moaning about how horrible this is... why doesn't someone do something about it... and no not in a violent way.... Educate the kids! I mean come on! Isn't that the obvious answer to this problem?
When I went on my first placement at the start of last year I was in a year two class (6 year olds). The school had taken the initive and got a police women in to talk to the children about 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. They put it in a way that the children could understand.. they explained to the children that there are bad people out there and if they try to do anything they think is wrong that they say 'stop... i don't like that'. That is what we need to do, not all sit here and bad mouth these people... if we educate our children then they can't do anything to them and then... the problem is gone!
Maybe should you go talk to some pdf as well, because if you think they not up to conning little kids, youre being a bit nieve(sorry but i dont know how to spell it) keep on educating children, but it isnt enough to prevent nasty shit happening

[Grahameeboy]

Maybe should you go talk to some pdf as well, because if you think they not up to conning little kids, youre being a bit nieve(sorry but i dont know how to spell it) keep on educating children, but it isnt enough to prevent nasty shit happening

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

[ManDownUnder]

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

Yes... coping strategies need to be taught.

Don't talk to strangers

If ANYONE does something you don't like, tell Mum or Dad. You won't get in trouble for it.

.etc.

Open dialog with the kids is essential - and pays off big time

[hunt]

So then we tell them if they do not know the person they run.....like I was taught (okay I am sadly drawn to CowPoos).......but at the end of the day we cannot stop all bad things only limit it and parent's not allowing young kids to roam around would also help.

I agree, so would not leaving your kids with any guy who wants to look after them whether they be a relative or not,now i'm not talking dad here, sounds harsh but unfortunately true,
dont want to get into the rapp your kids in cotton wool thing, but someone needs to be looking out for them,

[spudchucka]

A Is there room for paeds to do eomthing liek DOC work on an island, or something like that?
There's a job going on Raoul Island, nice climate too.

[Lou Girardin]

OK, I see it's redneck time again. I just bet any of you would be able to castrate him personally, or look in his eyes and pull the trigger.

This particular guy has a mental age of a child, should we put down all mental defectives, "just in case"?
Or just torment him till he kills himself or, worse, does a Dunblane.

[MisterD]

OK, I see it's redneck time again. I just bet any of you would be able to castrate him personally,

Pass those two bricks over there Lou, if you would be so kind.

Seriously though, if we can't do anything about a brain that's warped to be sexually attracted to kids, why not do something to remove the actual sex-drive?

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry I would still see through him and help.......if he has a mental disability then there has to be sympathy...sorry I am not a red neck

[Finn]

Seriously though, if we can't do anything about a brain that's warped to be sexually attracted to kids, why not do something to remove the actual sex-drive?

Like a weekend with your wife?

[MisterD]

Like a weekend with your wife?

If she reads this, she probably could make their removal last all weekend...

[mstriumph]

.................You say he may have learnt from his mistake etc etc... BIG Tui moment here... he is a recidivist PDF. Caught "only" 4 times so far...


where are those childrens' parents? grandparents? aunts? uncles? ???

every child has grownups? :grouphug:

seems to me that the perp. here REALLY shouldn't have survived his conviction for victim #1 ?

[Grahameeboy]

where are those childrens' parents? grandparents? aunts? uncles? ???

every child has grownups? :grouphug:

Exactly my point earlier........

[Lou Girardin]

Apparently he hasn't re-offended since 2001. He's now recognised through most of Welly and one arsehole in particular used to wait for him on his way to church and bashed him several times.
It sounds like death might be welcome.

[Streetwise]

O i got it lets blame it on the P.

[Streetwise]

Sorry I would still see through him and help.......if he has a mental disability then there has to be sympathy...sorry I am not a red neck


You say you would help, You think people havnt tried, What a joke to many people have that way of thinking and it gets this country no where.

[Patrick]

Apparently he hasn't re-offended since 2001. .


TUI..... Mmmmmmmm TUI.......a sneeze coming on... Aaahh... aaaahhhhh.... ah-bullshit!

[Streetwise]

hasnt been caught since 2001, more like it.

[Patrick]

or kids still too young/scared/confused/afraid to speak out yet?

[Lou Girardin]

TUI..... Mmmmmmmm TUI.......a sneeze coming on... Aaahh... aaaahhhhh.... ah-bullshit!

Of course, you're right. How could you not be, having been the recipient of the font of all knowledge at Police College for a few months.
I'll even pay for the round, if you shoot him.

[Phurrball]

THE 25K COMPENSATION IS NOT TO REWARD THE PAEDOPHILE BUT TO PUNISH THE POLICE!!!! ALL THIS RANTING ABOUT THE PAEDOPHILE IS MISSING THE POINT COMPLETELY!:nono:

Righto, calm now. I had to get that off my chest.

The disclosure of the Police officer concerned obviously fell short of being a protected 'whistleblower' disclosure for the puropses of the law. The judge rightly spanked the police for taking the law into their own hands. It's a slippery slope if precedent is set that the police can breach the privacy of any person other than by lawful means. Engage your brain for a moment and follow this line of reasoning to its logiccal conclusion... (Yes, even the National voters sholud be able to see where I'm going p/t:chase: )

This is a policy case (NO! NOT a government policy you fool! The judiciary are independent!) rather than a case about a specific convicted offender.

Now, I concur that paedophiles are creepy types, and I have sympathy for the sentiments raised here, but we all benefit from the living under the rule of law. Yep, you, and I, and paedophiles. I've done this rant elsewhere, but society is judged by how we treat the lowliest of scum. Yes, even their privacy is worth protecting.

Righto,

I'm done.

[Grahameeboy]

You say you would help, You think people havnt tried, What a joke to many people have that way of thinking and it gets this country no where.

So it is a joke that some people try to help eh? Clearly we are in the minority which is why nothing happens...........figures?

Sorry Streetwise, but I have faith and maybe, just maybe, us 'Jokers' may be stopping things getting worse.....ah ha.

For what it is worth this Joker helped a geezer out in London a few years back when 4 guys just set on him.......now I am not an agressive person but my 'way of thinking' helped this guy......I did Aikido at time which helped......now it turns out that he was a PDF.......still no regrets...

[Streetwise]

Nice work helping out a man being beaten. But im sick of people in New Zealand walking around after they have done some horible crimes, If we cant lock them up and cant kill them whan can be done,

[MisterD]

Yes, even their privacy is worth protecting.


It's a question of priorities, and I for one, am not impressed with the privacy of a recidivist paedo being given priority over the safety of children.

Even a lefty should be able to grasp that concept (also p/t, or is it?)

Now, where's the legislation to funnel any and all such compensation awarded to offenders straight to their victims?

[Grahameeboy]

Nice work helping out a man being beaten. But im sick of people in New Zealand walking around after they have done some horible crimes, If we cant lock them up and cant kill them whan can be done,

I understand, other than that I am sad that you think that this the way to deal with things.

We are all the masters of our own destiny and sometimes of others.......we just need to find a way to help and put our finger print on people.

[Grahameeboy]

Now, where's the legislation to funnel any and all such compensation awarded to offenders straight to their victims?

So you think compensation helps victims then and takes away the pain.......it doesn't.....now before you say it, I agree that giving this PDF guy $25,000 is wrong and probably adds to the victims pain as does the Media's coverage which I guess is another Privacy issue.......

[Phurrball]

It's a question of priorities, and I for one, am not impressed with the privacy of a recidivist paedo being given priority over the safety of children.

Even a lefty should be able to grasp that concept (also p/t, or is it?)

Now, where's the legislation to funnel any and all such compensation awarded to offenders straight to their victims?

Like I said the reason for the decision has nothing to do with the history of this particular paedophile - the complainant's identity doesn't matter in the eyes of the court. Be pissed off with the police officer concerned for their lack of judgment - they ought to have foreseen this type of compensation being a possibility -AND the subsequent publicity and all the hullabaloo that goes with nasty little hornets' nests such as this.

On the last point you and I agree 100% - there is legislation in train is there not?

[Karma]

On the compensation thing... I wouldn't want it.

It's like blood money, would only make things worse from what I can see...

Imagine finally manageing to get on with your life and putting something like child rape into the back of your mind, then suddenly being sent a cheque by the guy that did it...

[MisterD]

So you think compensation helps victims then and takes away the pain.......

That's not what I said G, my only point is that it sends the right message to the victims from society if we were to do this....it's a small but positive statement of our values.

***edit***

I think this stands as a reasonable response to your post too, Weasel.

[Ixion]

THE 25K COMPENSATION IS NOT TO REWARD THE PAEDOPHILE BUT TO PUNISH THE POLICE!!!! ALL THIS RANTING ABOUT THE PAEDOPHILE IS MISSING THE POINT COMPLETELY!:nono:

..I've done this rant elsewhere, but society is judged by how we treat the lowliest of scum. Yes, even their privacy is worth protecting.

Righto,

I'm done.

Sorry. Disagree on several counts.

Firstly, the PDF got the 25K . So, clearly the RESULT was to reward him.

And if the purpose was only to punish the police as a matter of public interest , the action should have been taken in the name of the Privacy Comissioner

Secondly, I do not agree that a convicted criminal (convicted of a serious charge) has the same "right" to privacy as an honest citizen. He committed some nasty offences. He served his time for them, and should not be further punished. BUT- the time he spent in gaol does not turn him back into a respectable citizen. He is still a criminal. What we would once have called a "notorious felon". I submit that the public are entitled to know that their new neighbour is not an honest respectable person . Whether his villanys be kiddy fiddling, bike stealing, murder or whatever.

Obviously, there should be some measure of proportion in this, both as to the initial disclosure to the public, and as to the time before it lapses into "who cares". But it seems absurd for me for someone to come out of prision and get all precious about his privacy and reputation. He has no reputation to protect, and his privacy is subject to the greater right of the public to know that they have a villain in their midst.

It is up to the criminal to redeem himself in the eyes of the law by "going straight" for a lengthy period. And in the meantime accepting that public censure is what he has brought upon his own head.

My opinion would be different if someone were to dredge up stale history - if the man had been living quietly without complaint for years, and someone suddenly discovered his past and publicised it. But that was not the case here. The police released the informatioon immediately after his release from prison. I think they were right to do so.

And there is no question of the police breaching the privacy of "any person". It was not "any person", it was a convicted criminal. I have no problems with the police breaching the privacy of convicted criminals. That is not the same thing as "any person". Not everyone is a convicted criminal (for simplicity let's take it that by "criminal" I mean serious crime - what we used to call felony) .

The right to privacy of the lowest scum is indeed worth protecting. Except where their right to privacy conflicts with the right of the public to know about a peril in their midst.

I would not support a general invasion of the criminal's privacy. There is no justification to release details of his background, or his personal life. But it is not thus to simply say " This man has come to live amongst you. He is a convicted criminal. He was convicted of xxx and recently released from prison".

And, in fact, all this is public information. The police did not make known anything that was not already in the public domain, except to identify the locality the crimninal had come to reside in.

Let us look at the matter from another viewpoint. A man has been convicted of serious crimes (let us leave kiddy fiddling out of our thinking for the moment - assume he is a P maker). He is released, but has no intention of going straight. He sets to work to set himself up a new P lab. Why should he be guaranteed a clock of secrecy to work under? How much better if the public know that "This man is a convicted criminal. He makes and sells P. Maybe he has given up such activity. Maybe not. It is well for the public to keep an eye on him, and be watchful of what he does"

Indeed, further, criminals that are released are "on parole" . Why should not the public as a right and even a duty , keep an eye on them? That is the whole purpose of parole .

What about someone convicted of fraud, by running a fake investment company, pocketing the sums given him for investment and running away with the money? On his release from prison , should he be able to set up a new investment company right away - and no-one is permitted to say "Oh, the man running this investment company has just been released from prison, he was convicted of fraud , by setting up fake investment companies" ?

Would you be happy in this scenario, if your aged parents put their life's savings in the criminals new investment company? Would you not think that they were entitled to know that their new investment advisor was a convicted fraudster?

[Grahameeboy]

That's not what I said G, my only point is that it sends the right message to the victims from society if we were to do this....it's a small but positive statement of our values.

***edit***

I think this stands as a reasonable response to your post too, Weasel.

True but that was how it was perceived.....you are forgiven...... but then you go and contradict yourself......is compensation still the right message to victims....do they need or even want Society to send them a message....I mean this kinda trauma is a personal thing isn't it........best left alone.

I mean you have a Govt who, under ACC pays compensaton to a drunk driver who is injured in an accident and kills someone.....what message does this send to the victims family......ah I guess his drink driving conviction is the message.

All I am saying is that 'Guilt' is not the answer........care is.......

Oh and I still love ya.........

[MisterD]

<snipped loads of pretty reasonable stuff>
All I am saying is that 'Guilt' is not the answer........care is.......

Oh and I still love ya.........

Yeah, well it's a fine line isn't it? How does a victim feel when they see this sh1t happening now?

I think I'm going to buy a tree and plant it, just for you to hug....

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, well it's a fine line isn't it? How does a victim feel when they see this sh1t happening now?

I think I'm going to buy a tree and plant it, just for you to hug....

Yes it is I agree but ya got to draw it somewhere......I agree that the victim may.....I say may cause we do not know how they feel.... not be happy about this award, however, I would say that they have enough shit in their head to be dealing with anyway.....I am happy to be wrong..

I don't need a tree thanks...already have a tree planted for me in Kenya but a beer would be nice................but thanks for the thought

[Streetwise]

Well care can kiss my ass if my kids are in danger,,, I tell ya if i was the policeman i would have done the same thing, Also if i had the funds i would pay $25000, Mate i no where you are coming from i and i do understand that being the nice guy and helping is needed in some casses, But not this one.

[MisterD]

already have a tree planted for me in Kenya but a beer would be nice................but thanks for the thought

Bloody long way to go to hug that innit?

[Grahameeboy]

Well care can kiss my ass if my kids are in danger,,, I tell ya if i was the policeman i would have done the same thing, Also if i had the funds i would pay $25000, Mate i no where you are coming from i and i do understand that being the nice guy and helping is needed in some casses, But not this one.

Fair enough..........caring just should not discriminate in my book.

[Streetwise]

No discrimination here just a time and a place,

[Grahameeboy]

Bloody long way to go to hug that innit?

Yep...planted in 1996........I took a group of school kids with a mate to Kenya to give money and books etc to schools out there and just do projects etc....and climb Mt Killy.........there were 14 of us and we each had a tree planted in our name.......intend to go back one day.........and no it was not a Religious thing Mr OnePack......

[Grahameeboy]

No discrimination here just a time and a place,

......but isn't time and place constant.............

[MisterD]

......but isn't time and place constant.............

Not according to this fella called Einstein.

[Grahameeboy]

Not according to this fella called Einstein.

smart :moon: ..........................

[Lias]

OK, I see it's redneck time again. I just bet any of you would be able to castrate him personally, or look in his eyes and pull the trigger.


Call me a redneck all you like, put me in a room with a gun and ANY convicted pedophile, even one with a low IQ and I will happily look in there eyes and pull the trigger.

I already have one conviction for some baseball bat re-education, I have NO qualms about using violence to reducate these filthy sick fuckers. I have seen first hand the long term effects of sexual abuse on people I give a fuck about, and I have no mercy at all for pedophiles.

[Flatcap]

OK, I see it's redneck time again. I just bet any of you would be able to castrate him personally, or look in his eyes and pull the trigger.



Don't be silly Lou - thats why we employ corrections people. Why have a dog and bark yourself?

[Patrick]

Of course, you're right. How could you not be, having been the recipient of the font of all knowledge at Police College for a few months.
I'll even pay for the round, if you shoot him.

Not even close...try front line for 21 years... a good learning curve methinks...

[Lou Girardin]

I already have one conviction for some baseball bat re-education, I have NO qualms about using violence to reducate these filthy sick fuckers..

And the recipient of this re-education was armed with, a gun? a knife? a bat too?
Surely you wouldn't beat an unarmed person with a bat.
Would you?

[Streetwise]

too right. If they has touched my kids i would,

[Phurrball]

Sorry. Disagree on several counts.
And quite cogently too. A long and thoughtful post Ixion.


Firstly, the PDF got the 25K . So, clearly the RESULT was to reward him.


Yes I agree, I don't like the thought of this person being enriched - you make a valid point, but I still think it's a policy case (I say this with the caveat that I haven't read the decision) The judge can't make an order to return the lost privacy.



(snip)
My opinion would be different if someone were to dredge up stale history - if the man had been living quietly without complaint for years, and someone suddenly discovered his past and publicised it. But that was not the case here. The police released the informatioon immediately after his release from prison. I think they were right to do so.

And there is no question of the police breaching the privacy of "any person". It was not "any person", it was a convicted criminal. I have no problems with the police breaching the privacy of convicted criminals. That is not the same thing as "any person". Not everyone is a convicted criminal (for simplicity let's take it that by "criminal" I mean serious crime - what we used to call felony) .


Quite. But where is the line? Police are not the judiciary, and nor should they be - that is the point I think. If the police wanted to disclose our charming gent's location, I sure there was due process they could have followed to do it within the law. The idea that this wrong by the police against an individual should be permitted just because of the criminal's background is worrying. I wouldn't like to see it affirmed or extended (even though this disclosure may have been in the public interest)There is law on protected disclosures - the judge in question obviously didn't see this as fitting the test.



The right to privacy of the lowest scum is indeed worth protecting. Except where their right to privacy conflicts with the right of the public to know about a peril in their midst.
(snip)


Ahh, our friend the balancing test. I quite agree - this kind of quid pro quo permeates throughout our rights and obligations in many fields. X is fine so long as it does not impinge on Y. I'd be disapppointed if the judge in the case in point did not carry out this test in reaching their conclusion.



Would you be happy in this scenario, if your aged parents put their life's savings in the criminals new investment company? Would you not think that they were entitled to know that their new investment advisor was a convicted fraudster?

Of course I wouldn't be a happy camper, my feelings would cloud any shred of objectivity I may possess. That's why the judge/jury do not have a vested interest in either side of a case - and why the police should not be making decisions to release details that they know they have no cause to lawfully.

No, I don't like the idea of this fellow out and about - but it is a fact we have to live with when the time is served. I don't like our 'PDF' being handed 25K on a plate - but I understand the decision - I like the idea of the police acting as arbiters in what private information to release even less.

[Wolf]

We certainly have a mix of views here.

I disagree with the "he's done his time, he may have rehabilitated" view - most psychs I've read articles/books by deem paedophiles to be recidivistic - they get worse, not better.

All paedophiles should be imprisonned for life - and no pampered "KF wing" where they're safe from the other inmates, either. Our society deserves to be protected from the likes of them. The judges and the lawyers who let KFs out into the community are co-offenders!

The lawyer and the judge that gave that KF 25K are also co-offenders.

The bastards should all (KFs, their lawyers and the judges that dish out the pissy little sentences) serve life imprisonment doing hard labour, the proceeds of their employment to go to the families that were harmed by the monsters.

[Lou Girardin]

It's interesting the revulsion that paedophiles evoke. I think they beyond the pale too. But I think some form of murderers are far worse. Like the psychotic scum that throw boulders off bridges, or gang up on one person yelling "hit him till he dies" and do so.
Why don't we see warnings being posted around neighbourhoods when they're released?

[Motu]

Because they are welcomed back into their community with open arms,got a real patch now man,not just the prospect patch.

[Ixion]

It's interesting the revulsion that paedophiles evoke. I think they beyond the pale too. But I think some form of murderers are far worse. Like the psychotic scum that throw boulders off bridges, or gang up on one person yelling "hit him till he dies" and do so.
Why don't we see warnings being posted around neighbourhoods when they're released?

Well, in some cases this has happened. But the probable reason it is more common with paedophiles is that the boulder throwers/bashers are usually fairly easy to spot as unpleasant people. They provide their own warning. Whereas it is the nature of paedophiles that they are usually apparently very pleasnt and harmless people. they would not succeed were they not. So people will not be on their guard as they would be with Billy the Basher.

'Tis the same with fraudsters - they too must be apparently smooth nice people .

Though I do agree that paedophiles have taken the place of witches , Jews or communists as the villain against whom all hands are raised. I imagine the psycology of paedophile hunting is much the same as witch hunting.

[Lias]

And the recipient of this re-education was armed with, a gun? a knife? a bat too?
Surely you wouldn't beat an unarmed person with a bat.
Would you?
Too right I would.

Goes something like this.

Your ex-GF (ex now, wasnt then) has a few friends over for drinkies one night. One of them gets a phonecall from his step-brother who hae hasnt seen for a few months, want sto catch up. He asks if step brother can come over. Fine we say. Step-brother turns up, seems ok. Others all decided to go to town to drink. You agree to stay home whenthey go to town and babysit one of them's 13 year old daughter. Ste-brother asks if he can can crash on floor with his brother, as home is miles away. Permission given. Step-brother turns up at 2amish by himself, drunk as a skunk.. Walks into lounge, falls on carpet, passes out. ex-GF and friend come home a bit later, I goto bed.

ex-GF shakes me away next morning, says here look after her. I have a crying 13 year old girl in my bed. I hear ex-GF yelling at step-brother guy out in lounge. Ask 13 year old wtf is going on, establish that she'd been sexually assaulted, charged out into the lounge and proceded to beat the ever loving crap out of the kiddie fucking step-brother, stopping only to kick him out of my house before I killed him. He made it down the driveway and about 10 feet down the road before collapsing in a pool of blood.

I'd do it again in a heart beat, and part of me wishes I had killed the fucker, but then again I wouldnt be here typing this message if I had given our bullshit laws.

Was quite funny dealing with the cops. Cop who arrests me is positively apologetic he has to arrest me, tells me he'd probably have done it himself in the circumstances. Watchhouse-keepr tells me I did a good thing. Detective investigating it all tells me he has daughters and he doubts he'd have stopped until he was dead. No-one likes a sex offender, or a pedophile.

[C_A]

good man, i'd do the same..

i have a friend who endured a few years of assault both sexual and old fashioned beatings from her stepfather until she finally had enough and bailed. I went and picked up all her stuff from her old house, her b/f at the time wouldn't, fuckin wuss.
anyhow, as we were leaving the stepfather was walking up the road, going to the dairy or some shit, left just before us.... safe to say I mounted the footpath and did my best to run the cunt down, and have givin him the odd fright when i see him on the side of the road as i drive past. sure it's a stupid thing to do but it saves her from the still ongoing torment, the mother gives her grief over it still.... give the dude a fright and it resides for a few months... saddest thing is when my mate tried to get a protection order, the stepfathers mate ( a cop) interfered in the proceedings and made HER look like a hollywood, story teller.
I would happily beat offenders such as that within an inch of their life, thats some of the shit I ust can't tolerate to any degree.. I'm only a little tacker but when i get fired up......
victims of this kinda shit have their lives fucked forever over one other person's stupid, disgusting actions. and it's amazing and sad how common it is. out of my friends I've got probably 4 who have had SERIOUS shit like this happen to them, and sadly, kill their trust forever.....
these cunts need shooting, straight after conviction, no questions asked....

[MisterD]

It's interesting the revulsion that paedophiles evoke. I think they beyond the pale too. But I think some form of murderers are far worse. Like the psychotic scum that throw boulders off bridges, or gang up on one person yelling "hit him till he dies" and do so.
Why don't we see warnings being posted around neighbourhoods when they're released?

What are the percentages of random murders? It's pretty low isn't it? Most murders are committed by someone known to the victim, and there's a pretty low rate of re-offending on those types of cases.

Paedos on the other hand are very often driven, calculating and predatory in their actions. Take for example the numbers that have worked their way into the catholic church, aid organisations, children's sports coaching etc etc to be in positions where they are trusted to be alone with kids.

[Streetwise]

Well lads you both have my support if i was on the jury,,,,, I would never convict anyone for protecting there family. Its a sad world.

[spudchucka]

What are the percentages of random murders? It's pretty low isn't it? Most murders are committed by someone known to the victim, and there's a pretty low rate of re-offending on those types of cases.
Around 80% of homicides are domestic related.

[Streetwise]

Thats a high number, mmmmmmmmmmm i wonder if my wife knows that,,,, oo could be scary.

[Wolf]

It's a topic that has hit way too close in the past - not my own children, but the daughter of a good friend. She was 6 years old and was "molested" by a bloke who had been a friend of mine for almost 20 years and who was also a close friend of the child's mother.

Of course, this meant the end of a long-standing friendship because I do not count kid fuckers as friends.

The filthy lawyer played it down as "molestation" rather than "rape" as there was no penile penetration - a distinction only filth such as lawyers and judges can see as any real human knows that rape is of the mind and emotions, not of the body and the violation of that girl was rape whether or not the dirty bastard stuck his dick into her.

So the judge gives the filthy KF 2.5 years in prison of which he served less than 2 because prison terms mean absolutely nothing.

So now there is this KF wandering the streets working out how to claim his next victim if he hasn't already done so over and over again.

His lawyer and the judge and the parole board that released him are all accessories to all other crimes he commits - they all deserve life imprisonment to protect the general public from their actions just as all the KFs should get life in prison to protect the public.

In prison they should work making things to be sold, the proceeds of such goods should then go to the families they harmed to at least cover the horrendous cost of the on-going counselling that the child is going to require, probably for the rest of her (or his) life - and forget the "ACC pays for counselling" crap, they pay a percentage of the cost and the family has to shoulder the cost of the balance.

I am opposed to the death sentence because of the times when the accused was later found to be not guilty and because the perpetrators cannot make reparations when they're dead.

The judge that awarded 25K to that KF is a criminal and is probably a KF himself. The courts should have awarded 25K to each of the families the filthy bastard harmed and the cop(s) who warned the public should have been commended for services to the greater good of the community.

As to the comparison between murderers and KFs, there are few recidivistic killers - true psychopaths/serial killers. Most murders have a discernible motive - hatred, money etc. The true serial killers who kill for some sort of personal gratification are sick and need to be removed from society like the KFs.

[Finn]

Thats a high number, mmmmmmmmmmm i wonder if my wife knows that,,,, oo could be scary.

If she doesn't know, she should. A man needs a certain amount of respect in the household. If we had this, maybe the number would reduce by at least 50%.

[Streetwise]

Here here finn

[Streetwise]

It's a topic that has hit way too close in the past - not my own children, but the daughter of a good friend. She was 6 years old and was "molested" by a bloke who had been a friend of mine for almost 20 years and who was also a close friend of the child's mother.

Of course, this meant the end of a long-standing friendship because I do not count kid fuckers as friends.

The filthy lawyer played it down as "molestation" rather than "rape" as there was no penile penetration - a distinction only filth such as lawyers and judges can see as any real human knows that rape is of the mind and emotions, not of the body and the violation of that girl was rape whether or not the dirty bastard stuck his dick into her.

So the judge gives the filthy KF 2.5 years in prison of which he served less than 2 because prison terms mean absolutely nothing.

So now there is this KF wandering the streets working out how to claim his next victim if he hasn't already done so over and over again.

His lawyer and the judge and the parole board that released him are all accessories to all other crimes he commits - they all deserve life imprisonment to protect the general public from their actions just as all the KFs should get life in prison to protect the public.

In prison they should work making things to be sold, the proceeds of such goods should then go to the families they harmed to at least cover the horrendous cost of the on-going counselling that the child is going to require, probably for the rest of her (or his) life - and forget the "ACC pays for counselling" crap, they pay a percentage of the cost and the family has to shoulder the cost of the balance.

I am opposed to the death sentence because of the times when the accused was later found to be not guilty and because the perpetrators cannot make reparations when they're dead.

The judge that awarded 25K to that KF is a criminal and is probably a KF himself. The courts should have awarded 25K to each of the families the filthy bastard harmed and the cop(s) who warned the public should have been commended for services to the greater good of the community.

As to the comparison between murderers and KFs, there are few recidivistic killers - true psychopaths/serial killers. Most murders have a discernible motive - hatred, money etc. The true serial killers who kill for some sort of personal gratification are sick and need to be removed from society like the KFs.


Its a sad state of affairs when approx 30% of the woman i know have been molested, This number is growing with every conversation i have with people, Thats why a hard stance has to be done, Dead people dont rape,

[Lou Girardin]

Ixion was right. Paedophiles are the new witches. And some of these posts are the baying mob. Who's got the dunking stoll?
The most unlikely statistics fed us by the Sisterhood are swallowed as if they're fact. Apparently molestation also includes an unwelcome advance from a man.
Personally I'd be satisfied if paedophiles serve their time and are then monitored with effective electronic systems.
I'll leave the beating and killing to you lot.
Don't forget to beat gays too, because they're all kiddie fiddlers. And go get those paediatricians and podiatrists, they're no better.

[Grahameeboy]

Ixion was right. Paedophiles are the new witches. And some of these posts are the baying mob. Who's got the dunking stoll?
The most unlikely statistics fed us by the Sisterhood are swallowed as if they're fact. Apparently molestation also includes an unwelcome advance from a man.
Personally I'd be satisfied if paedophiles serve their time and are then monitored with effective electronic systems.
I'll leave the beating and killing to you lot.
Don't forget to beat gays too, because they're all kiddie fiddlers. And go get those paediatricians and podiatrists, they're no better.

:( .............................................

[Finn]

Don't forget to beat gays too, because they're all kiddie fiddlers. And go get those paediatricians and podiatrists, they're no better.

You forgot about the Proctologists. They've just gotta be guilty of something.

[Grahameeboy]

You forgot about the Proctologists. They've just gotta be guilty of something.

....guess I could be guilty of something too....no one is safe

[Lias]

The most unlikely statistics fed us by the Sisterhood are swallowed as if they're fact.
Statistics be damned. I know first hand far too many victims of abuse. If it was your wife/daughter/neice/sister who'd been a victim, and you'd grown up watching the effects of it on them you'd be baying for blood too.

[Streetwise]

oooooooo lets all have a cuddle,

[mstriumph]

.................we just need to find a way to help and put our finger print on people.

as i see it, most of this thread is a debate about how HARD those finger prints should be applied .....? :corn:

[mstriumph]

.......... Apparently molestation also includes an unwelcome advance from a man......

:Oi: there are plenty of peop.s playing games with the english language --- but doesn't mean there aren't real problems out there

now - take the concept of 'child abuse' --- as far as i'm concerned, current usage [inappropriate touching] doesn't go far enough .............. to my mind fat kids, rude kids, spoilt kids and kids that are permitted to reach puberty without being able to make their own beds, wash a dish or cook a meal if needs be .. those are ALSO victims of abuse .......

and i haven't even MENTIONED those poor kids whose parents make 'em wear BEIGE :angry2:

[Streetwise]

fuck that seems a tad extreme dosnt it.??

[myvice]

Due to a recent ACC ruling we are going to get a lot of false claims of "I was touched as a kid/teen"
And if there is someone in there past that they want to hurt then they will be in the sights...
I know only what I have read here about this case, it concerns me that these people are being released back into society, but I would hate to think how many falsely accused are in prison too.
If he were a kiddie fiddler then he should be released... 10,000+ feet would be good!
But some of the more public cases seem a little vague at best.
When you have one person saying that they did this to them with no evidence...e.g; supporting psychological data, old school records showing a shift in behaviour. And a bunch of people saying that it’s a load of crap, "victim" is a lazy slag who wants an easy life and a manipulating bitch at best.
Yet they where still found guilty?
Then the poor victim try’s it again on another guy… Thrown out befor it got too far but no one has reviewed the previous case it seems.

No faith in the justice system at all, if your in front of a judge I hope you have a good lawyer, caus guilty or not your in the shit if you don’t!

[Jackrat]

You guys are joking right?

I understand the hatred of kiddie fiddlers... and I totally agree, but saying the copper was right to put his name out there is totally wrong.

Don't suppose anyone remembers the Mirror / Sun whatever it was in the UK that started releasing the list of peadophiles addresses in the uk... well these guys started getting lynched... nobody bothered checking what they'd done.

I don't agree with what these peadophiles have done, and they can never give back what they've taken from these kids, but you can gaurantee they're being watched like a hawk after being released from prison, and aren't allowed to go anywhere near anyones kids.

If they've been sent to prison, and done their time, then they're entitled to be released into an environment where they won't be lynched for a crime which they've already paid for.

Edit - but under no circumstances should they have awarded damages... that is nuts.

*dons flameproof jacket*

They havn't payed their dues,their still alive.
A shallow grave is more than they deserve.

[Winston001]

My kneejerk reaction is shock at the compensation, but some strong points have been made. True, it is actually to punish the police rather then reward the criminal.

I doubt this man knows much about it - the claim would have been made by his lawyer for him and we don't know how much, if any money he actually received.

Paedophiles are a peculiar subset of criminals. They are recidivist - they do it again despite being caught. Studies have shown that they cannot learn to stop unlike other "normal" criminals who sometimes choose the straight and narrow. It is a type of illness.

So it should be treated. A quick bit of day surgery, snip snip, have a nice day.

There are pills as an alternative (chemical castration) but that requires the paedophile to cooperate. An unsafe remedy.

I note an earlier post which said such offenders are watched and monitored after release. Yes, that is supposed to happen but it's hit and miss. Once an offender builds up a bit of trust, they are able to shrug off supervision because there is always a new case for Probation to deal with. And the old urges come back...............

[Winston001]

Something else to bear in mind, on the topic of child awareness. Children are taught "stranger danger" and "good and bad touching", at school.

But what if the paedophile is an uncle/family friend/kindly neighbour? Because most of the time those are the groups sex-offenders come from. Most sexual attack victims know their attacker.

[Streetwise]

isnt that the sad truth, I agree that cutting off the bits is a must, we could make then into a traditionl medicine and save a lot of whales.

[mstriumph]

it appears to me that everyone is assuming that all child abusers are male; i understand the stats don't support that.

--------- soooooo - wat 'bits' do you recommend society prune from FEMALE perverts? :corn:

[Wolf]

it appears to me that everyone is assuming that all child abusers are male; i understand the stats don't support that.

--------- soooooo - wat 'bits' do you recommend society prune from FEMALE perverts? :corn:
Adding to that that castration (chemical or physical) does not remove the urge to dominate and degrade - hell, it doesn't even remove the sex drive. Going to cut off fingers, too, because they can touch or be inserted where they "don't oughtta be"?

Remove the whole of the paedophile from society. Lock the bastard inside and make him or her pay for their own upkeep and the rehabilitation (counselling etc) of the victim. Don't let the bastards out until you can 100% guarantee they'll never reoffend - i.e. You have their ashes in a cardboard box with "Dept. of Corrections Crematorium" stamped on it.

Worried that those who are serving life might be driven to desperation and try to escape - a couple of bullets into the backs of the knees will slow them down but still leave their arms and hands intact for them to work factory machinery...

[Grahameeboy]

as i see it, most of this thread is a debate about how HARD those finger prints should be applied .....? :corn:

sorry, guess my post was a bit too deep eh.............arh shit that could be twisted too...bugger.....

[Wolf]

The scumbag ex-friend to which I referred in my earlier posts has been at it again:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,,3635919a6579,00.html


Morrinsville child molester sentenced to six years' jail
12 April 2006

A High Court judge yesterday described Morrinsville man Peter Leslie Maney's sexual offending against young girls as "close to the most serious of its type".

Maney had been found guilty of five charges of sexual assault against three girls.

Crown prosecutor Shannon-Leigh Litt asked Justice Heath in the High Court at Hamilton to impose a sentence of preventive detention on Maney, 42, a machine operator with previous convictions for indecent assault and sexual violation of young girls.

However, while Justice Heath said Maney's behaviour with the children – aged under 12 years – was serious, the absence of various aggravating features meant it did not warrant preventive detention. Instead Justice Heath sentenced Maney to six years in prison with a minimum non-parole period of four years.

Maney had previously served a 2 1/2-year term in prison after being convicted for offending in 1988. Justice Heath said those incidents were worse than the latest cases.

Maney had robbed the girls of their innocence at a time when they ought to be able to enjoy life.

"Preventive detention is designed to protect the community from the risk of on-going offending," Justice Heath said.

"The risk of future serious offending, while possible, is not high.

"While preventive detention was not imposed this time, if you offend again in this way it is very likely another judge considering your case would impose preventive detention for you," Justice Heath said.

Defence lawyer Mike Robb said there was still hope for Maney if he had the opportunity to participate in rehabilitative programmes in prison.

I note that the article says "with previous convictions for indecent assault and sexual violation of young girls" - I was only aware of the one case that he was convicted of and although he was sentenced to two and a half years he was let out early by those scummy parole people (KF-sympathisers the lot of them) so 'twould seem there were other, later, occasions when he was convicted of offenses of which I was not aware.

And still they keep letting him out.

Justice Heath is filth, plain and simple. Given the chance to lock the molesting bastard away preventatively he rules that the bastard has to rape another child or two before that measure will be taken.

How many child rapes will it take to satisfy "Justice" Heath that the bastard is a menace to our society?

At least threee more families totally fucked up and "Justice" Heath wants to see a few more traumatised before he deems it serious enough to warrant preventative detention. Heath, himself, should be locked up under preventative detention to prevent him from sitting at a bench and being a criminally negligent cock-head.

As they say:

"What do they call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?"

"Your Honour."

[Patrick]

True, it is actually to punish the police rather then reward the criminal.

I doubt this man knows much about it - the claim would have been made by his lawyer for him and we don't know how much, if any money he actually received......

Thats probably the best part... the lawyer probably got the lot for his "Legal Fees..."

[Skyryder]

At least threee more families totally fucked up and "Justice" Heath wants to see a few more traumatised before he deems it serious enough to warrant preventative detention. Heath, himself, should be locked up under preventative detention to prevent him from sitting at a bench and being a criminally negligent cock-head.

As they say:

"What do they call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?"

"Your Honour."

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that not only should juries determine guilt or innocence but also hand down sentnces. Judges should only rule on points of law and see that the defendent gets a fair trial.

Skyryder

[Goblin]

All convicted paedophiles and sex offenders should be physically castrated!

[Ixion]

what if they are female?

[Goblin]

what if they are female?
Ummm....Clitty-ectomy! Chop it off & sew it up!!