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beyond
21st March 2006, 18:36
Ok,

It's been around five to six weeks since I threw Metzler Z6's on my bike because I couldn't get Michelin Pilot Roads again, as they were not available. The front is just under half worn, the rear is about stuffed after 4300kms.

From here on, Metzler Roadtec Z6's will be referred to as MR's and Michelin Pilot Roads as PR's.

Firstly, the PR's were a brilliant set of tyres and both front and rear wore evenly till worn at 7,000kms. The only fault I could find with them, was that when pushed on a hot day and after about 15-20 minutes of fast hard riding, they would start to squirm when laying down the power out of corners. The first time this happened I thought I had developed a slow leak and stopped to check my rear tyre. From there on, when it happened, I ignored it but found it a little unsettling.

In the wet, they were great with no scares except the time I crossed the left, white shoulder, white line in heavy rain cutting a corner at 160kmh. Both tyres lost grip completely but regripped immediately they hit the seal, putting me into four or five fully crossed up slides before regaining control.

All in all the PR's are a very good tyre. Handling is excellent considering that they have given me the best mileage over anything else too date. No complaints and very pleased with the k's I got out of them. Dunlops were giving me around 3400kms a rear.

Now to the MR's.
It must be said in all fairness, that I have ridden harder and faster in the last 4300kms than I did when I had the PR's as there were a few commutes on the PR's and at times I had the missus on the back, whereas the MR's have been ridden hard virtually everytime I have been on the bike since fitting them.

In all honesty, as far as handling goes, there is barely any discernible difference.
In the wet, they seemed a little more skittery, but again, not by much. They were pushed hard. They never squirmed or let me down except one time a couple of weeks back, the rear tried to overtake the front on 140kmh corner where I had to straighten up and brake hard before going off road, as there was no way I was going to regain control.
I do not believe this incident was the tyre, as I was not pushing as hard through this corner as I had other corners riding 500kms that day out to Kawhia and around Pirongia.

Going back to examine the road the next day, there was some sand in the area where the back came around and maybe there was a lot more there the day before.
Tyres generally give a squirm or you can feel the grip starting to break. There was none of that. It was instant let go, like hitting diesel or gravel.


In summary, taking into consideration that the MR's have been hammered hard in corners and have seen lots of plus high speed runs, I believe the wear would be very similar under the same riding conditions.

Both tyres do the job admirably on the GSX1400 and I believe 7,000kms would have been achievable with the MR's if I had ridden them the same as the PR's.

Hope this helps. You will be safe and pleased with either of them depending on availablity. The difference is negligible.

Ixion
21st March 2006, 19:05
Feck! Six weeks and worn out. ! Bloody hell you guys must have heaps of money. I need my tyres to last for years not weeks! No way could I afford a new tyre every 6 weeks. Must be nice to be rich. No wonder I'm a Communist.

Mental Trousers
21st March 2006, 20:44
Did you notice much difference in feedback from the 2?? I've been having a problem with Michelins where I can't tell if my tyres are the right pressure or 10lbs under. It's giving me the shits. So I'm going to try out some Metzelers once this pair are done.

beyond
21st March 2006, 21:11
Did you notice much difference in feedback from the 2?? I've been having a problem with Michelins where I can't tell if my tyres are the right pressure or 10lbs under. It's giving me the shits. So I'm going to try out some Metzelers once this pair are done.


Hiya mate, what the 2?? :) Do you have a good tyre gauge? Pay to get one as the garage ones aren't always accurate. I've never had too many problems with pressures as once set, both Metzlers and Michelins lost a little over a couple of weeks. This is normal for any tyre of course.

Mental Trousers
21st March 2006, 21:17
Yeah I do. But a wee while back I had a puncture in the rear and couldn't even tell the tyre had lost a lot of air. Didn't know until I actually stopped somewhere and kicked it. And I've had the front lose about 10lbs on a ride and couldn't tell. I've never had a Michelin that I could tell when it lost pressure.

beyond
21st March 2006, 21:22
That's a real bonus don't you think :)

Michelin must be run flat tyres.

Seriously: I have not experienced this at all. Bit of a strange one cos as you say, you normally know when your tyres aren't inflated right. Normall takes a corner or two to realise. Strange alright.

Lou Girardin
22nd March 2006, 10:21
Having seen how beyond rides, I'll take this thread as gospel. But I'll still use Z6's. (cheaper)

Firefight
22nd March 2006, 10:26
yeah

agree with Lou re the Z6s, but don,t get a lot of ks out of them you did well with 4300kms.


F/F

DemonWolf
22nd March 2006, 10:49
The Z6 rear I had on the rear of the TL didn't last much over 3500km's but that was getting use to the erm.. private track =) .. and the bike shop reckon it may have lost some pressure (couldn't tell..) which why it got shagged quite quickly towards the end. Now on Macadam's (front and rear) diffinately not as crippy, and under very heavy braking (and engine braking) the rear slides slightly.. nothing major. Once warmed up, pretty satisfied with there performance (though haven't riden in very wet conditions). So will know in the next few weeks =)

Cajun
22nd March 2006, 11:01
I will stick with my Michelin's.
There is a reason they are the used all around the world in the top racing events.

Lou Girardin
22nd March 2006, 15:05
Now on Macadam's (front and rear) diffinately not as crippy, and under very heavy braking (and engine braking) the rear slides slightly.. nothing major.

I'm using these now (factory fit), but after 2 slides in the dry I'm a bit less than confident on them. Good price though.

Jackrat
22nd March 2006, 16:00
I'm using these now (factory fit), but after 2 slides in the dry I'm a bit less than confident on them. Good price though.

Yeah I use em' as well,and find them pretty good.
I use them for their intended use,which is as a sport tourer,not full on sport riding.If I was after a go hard tyre I would use something else,,,by Michelin.:niceone:

loosebruce
22nd March 2006, 16:28
Beyond, have you thought of trying the Pilot Sports, or even a Sport rear and road front, this may cure the squimming after 15-20min hard rding you were discribing, after all the Pilot road is still a pretty normal road tyre, and the way you ride maybe you'd be better with a sport on the back, maybe even power's, i've heard of guys getting crazy mileage from them, that are still quicker than most riders. I rate power's as the best road tyre IMO.

riffer
22nd March 2006, 16:59
six weeks?

Damn, my Z4's done 12,000 kms and is good for another 3,000 at least.

The Z3 did 12,000 before being replaced with a Z6.

You guys are just too rough with your toys... :whistle:

Lou Girardin
22nd March 2006, 17:22
I've just noticed that we've got a set of Pilot Roads at AMPS. When will you need some beyond?

beyond
22nd March 2006, 17:52
I've just noticed that we've got a set of Pilot Roads at AMPS. When will you need some beyond?

Thanks heaps Lou,

BUT: The Pilot Roads were on my bike before and I couldn't get any five to six weeks ago when they were worn so have been using the Meztler Roadtec Z6's this time around. The front is still ok, hopefully for another round, so like to keep a Metz on the back again till they are both worn.

I'll check with you next time if thats ok as a friend has already got a new Metz on it's way to me as the rear is close to a goner.

Thanks anyway. Appreciated. :)

beyond
22nd March 2006, 17:58
Beyond, have you thought of trying the Pilot Sports, or even a Sport rear and road front, this may cure the squimming after 15-20min hard rding you were discribing, after all the Pilot road is still a pretty normal road tyre, and the way you ride maybe you'd be better with a sport on the back, maybe even power's, i've heard of guys getting crazy mileage from them, that are still quicker than most riders. I rate power's as the best road tyre IMO.

Loosebruce, I've heard that the Sports would pobably get eaten off real quick as they are a reasonably soft compound to the Roads aren't they?
The weight and torque of the 14 is the biggest wear factor. I was thinking of the combo you mention and it may certainly be an option next time around.
I have another Metz Z6 on it's way to me through a friend but a Sport on the back and a Road on the front may be a good option.

My worry is, how longs a sport tyre going to last. Might get one and a half Coro loops. :)

Be interesting to give it a go though. Maybe try Mich Sport front and rear as I would hate the front to push out with a stickier rear. A lot of lateral forces in a quarter tonne bike :(

Lou Girardin
23rd March 2006, 08:36
I'm going to try the new Mtez M3's next time. I was going to try an M3 front and Z6 rear, but the Metz people said not to mix them.
An M3 rear would get half killed on my Easter trip.

pritch
23rd March 2006, 08:45
Beyond, have you thought of trying the Pilot Sports, or even a Sport rear and road front,

This is rather radical advice. What would be the logic behind this suggestion?

(Enquiring minds and all that? :-)

loosebruce
23rd March 2006, 08:59
Yea it does seem a bit odd, harder front than rear, but just going by what beyond said that the rear was only giving him issues after hard riding, which on a bike like the GSX14 i could understand the rear getting a real hard time, i'd go Pilot Sports all round, they are not that much softer than the Roads and prolly not that much more expensive, i used them all the time until Power's came out and they never did me wrong, and they lasted well on the TL, 2300km out of the rear and i got 2.5 rears to the one front, think at one stage they made a Pilot Sport Cup, which was a softer version.

Smorg
23rd March 2006, 11:13
Go the Battleaxes!!!!!!!!!:done:

Devil
23rd March 2006, 11:18
Up to 2500km on my M3's at the moment, they're probably only 1/4 worn so i'm happy! Pretty soft tyres, I'm sure a heavier more powerful bike would do more damage to them.

Testing them on the track shortly, will see how they go.

Lou Girardin
23rd March 2006, 16:31
they are not that much softer than the Roads and prolly not that much more expensive,.

Pilot Roads - $523 inc.
Pilot Sports - $408.00 inc.

loosebruce
23rd March 2006, 16:44
Pilot Roads - $523 inc.
Pilot Sports - $408.00 inc.


ha ya dont say :blink: i'm trying to make sense of this but i struggle at the best of times. So are the powers even cheaper :whistle:

Lou Girardin
23rd March 2006, 17:00
ha ya dont say :blink: i'm trying to make sense of this but i struggle at the best of times. So are the powers even cheaper :whistle:

No, but you'd hope so the way some of you loonies go through them.

Maha
23rd March 2006, 17:20
Just read the thread title and my money is on Michelin, he seems way bigger and puffyer than Metzler but nothing will compare to Ali V Frazier aka, the thriller in Manila..............:first:

pritch
23rd March 2006, 19:48
Michelin, he seems way bigger and puffyer than Metzler

The Michelin man has a name: Bibendum.
(That from memory, and going back to my days of reading cycling mags.)

It's an interesting name, it seems to imply an interest in alcoholic drinks.
God forbid...

:drinkup: