Our riding.

[DEATH_INC.]

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.

As for the others that crashed,neither of them have any problems with it,so why does everyone else?The first guy mis-judged a corner,it happens,the second hit a patch of metal.Shit happens.
Ryans chain coming off wasn't a big issue,Why are people trying to make it one?
I think most who came with us had a good time and enjoyed themselves,only the sourpusses who didn't seem to have issues.
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

[Kickaha]

It's a question of perspective one persons fun to another is irresponsibilty

Just because someone has been riding for years doesn't make them a good rider,when's the last time you heard anyone admit they're a crap rider and aren't in control :rolleyes: (I'm not saying you aren't)

From the group rides I used to do there is a fine line between having fun and being downright dangerous,and there were groups I was very wary of riding with because of that.

[andy1]

:banana:.............................

[jimbo600]

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.

As for the others that crashed,neither of them have any problems with it,so why does everyone else?The first guy mis-judged a corner,it happens,the second hit a patch of metal.Shit happens.
Ryans chain coming off wasn't a big issue,Why are people trying to make it one?
I think most who came with us had a good time and enjoyed themselves,only the sourpusses who didn't seem to have issues.
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

Having fun on your bike, pulling wheelies and riding irresponsibly? That what I thought bikes were made for. Keep up the good work I say.

[k14]

I have no problem with your riding DEATH. I never saw you out of control when you were doing your stunting and it was awesome.

Good stuff, keep it up.

[Ms Piggy]

I went away & got some brain food and had a think about this debate.

Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?

Hmmmmmmm, is it the experienced riders who can do pop wheelies & ride really fast & takes corners at speeds that would make me pee myself?

OR

Is it the rider themselves, who for whatever reason may take a corner too fast etc, etc.

I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.

Maybe it's a combination of both? Maybe it's having clear guidelines. There was a lot of discussion after the Easter Ride from Wellington about what could be done to possibly prevent that sort of thing happening again.

Ummmm...of course in saying all this I'm not riding at the moment b/c I binned! And I'm also a very inexperienced rider.

At the end of that day though it's all good if you can learn from your stuff ups, be it braking too hard in the wet (I'll try no to do that again!), not taking a corner or losing your chain, and of course as long as noone is hurt surely it's all good.

As far as reinforcing the general cager population attitudes against riders...not sure really. People who believe stereotypes are normally the biggest dorks out in my book.

[wkid_one]

Yeah - hooning riders!!....I was watching this rider come around a corner on the Rimutakas with his knee down through my drivers side window as a drifted around the corner......

I personally couldn't give a fuck how people ride...wheelies, stoppies etc - I was just stirring. I have sat and watched as guys who found a nice hump in the road out by the Lakes decided that video taping wheelies would be a good idea. Quite amusing. I have also seen the aftermath of a 'wheelie exhibition' that went horribly bad.......again quite amusing. I have also travelled the same corner a number of times to see who could leave the longest knee slider mark.

Ride your socks off......who cares....

[Zed]

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.
Dude, if the general consensus from the group who went riding yesterday was that you had an awesome days motorcycling, what does it really matter what anyone else says- especially those who were absent? :sneaky2:

Others do have a right on these forums to vent their opinions however negative they may be, even if their only evidence for critisicm is a mere photograph! They are only words on a screen after all, no need to take them too seriously.

I myself can appreciate controlled stunts, etc, under the right conditions (track & road), and from what I have been told you guys made the day that much more exciting! :eek5:


Zed

[wkid_one]

Gotta agree with Zed - you ride for you, not everyone else. Who cares what anyone else thinks - do what you need to do to get your jollies....just don't get caught.

[Zed]

...I was just stirring...
Who then, I ask, can take you seriously man?

Cincinnati, you often have to clarify to KB whether you were stirring/joking or being serious about a previous message you posted- is not this the sign of a double-minded individual! :buggerd:


Zed

[wkid_one]

That is the enjoyment factor - people not knowing......

Everyone should have learnt by now that there is very little that I am serious about......if I can play devils advocate I will......I just like arguing. This board would be hellishly boring if everyone just agreed with everyone......plus because of rampant sabotage...I have 27 positive rep points to get rid of.

[Zed]

That is the enjoyment factor - people not knowing......

Everyone should have learnt by now that there is very little that I am serious about......if I can play devils advocate I will......I just like arguing. This board would be hellishly boring if everyone just agreed with everyone......plus because of rampant sabotage...I have 27 positive rep points to get rid of.
Like you say "life is a game" to you! :spudwhat:

I dare say that one day you will have a rude awakening and figure out that honesty is the best policy.


Zed

[claire]

I didn't partake in the ride and have been amused reading the posts about the aftermath, but people complaining. Whatever!! If they weren't comfortable on the ride or weren't happy with the way the people taking part were riding, thats their problem. I liken it to people complaining about whats on TV but still sit there watching. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them do it!!!

As a less experienced rider I wanted to do a Poker Run. I only did two stops because an ignoramous on a Harley tried to go up the inside of me when I pulled over to the left to let him past - not a nice feeling I can tell you. Instead of complaining to anyone who would listen I left the Run and did my own ride and had a great day. Maybe the complainers should do that to - go and do their own rides with who they're comfortable riding with.

Claire

[Two Smoker]

Yeah Death Inc dont listen to the few people out there saying "blah blah blah unsafe" it was obvious from the video that Sam was under complete control and the road was absolutely clear in both directions for km's........ I say :rockon:

Its very impressive to see these stunts in the right conditions with the right rider.....

AS for the people saying it is bad....... look at the video and see for yourself whether it was unsafe or not....

[SPman]

pussy cunts.... :shake: SPman :shake: just one of many....
you just dont know when to keep ur mouth shut :shutup:

Que?????????

[SPman]

In our defense I'd like to say,
.............
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.
You dont need any defense, Death.
It was the most enjoyable, laid back, cohesive ride, I've been on for some time.:2thumbsup
Yea, we'll go riding with you again, if you'll let us. Only next time we dont tell no one, nothing! :ar15:

[dangerous]

HAY now as I wasent there I can not make comment, HOWEVER if some of you are weiring KB shirts and the public find out who we/you are and you are crashing twice in one day and putting on stunt shows (which can turn to custard.... hell even the SBK & GP riders get it wrong) then WE do NOT want to get ourselves a bad rep with the public.... comprende!

MY bitch would be aimed more at the likes of mr "andy1" the post above (#3) is NOT neaded in MY books there is nothing there worthy of posting the language is certinly not needed and comments like that are a wast of this boards space.
Call me an old fuddy duddy and tell me to bugger off if you want, but how about you show a little RESPECT for the religo's :msn-wink: and women etc that use this board IMHO.

next please....... :rockon:

[Zed]

...Only next time we dont tell no one, nothing! :ar15:
Cmon SPman, just cos some people choose to post a few negative comments doesn't mean anything should change necessarily! It would be a great loss if there were no reports given about KB rides for fear of criticism. :angry2:

:Oi: Keep up the good (& bad) reports pleeeeease!...& those great pics too.


Zed

[SPman]

:Oi: Keep up the good (& bad) reports pleeeeease!...& those great pics too.
Zed
OK............

[wkid_one]

Like you say "life is a game" to you! :spudwhat:

I dare say that one day you will have a rude awakening and figure out that honesty is the best policy.


ZedUnfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.

I am not being dishonest - merely taking alternative pov's to get some decent discussion going on here. As I said before - this board is inane when everyone just agrees with everyone. Playing devils advocate is not being dishonest - merely disruptive.

SP - did anyone get any video of the wheelie.

[Posh Tourer :P]

I went away & got some brain food and had a think about this debate.
Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?
Hmmmmmmm, is it the experienced riders who can do pop wheelies & ride really fast & takes corners at speeds that would make me pee myself?
OR
Is it the rider themselves, who for whatever reason may take a corner too fast etc, etc.
I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.
Maybe it's a combination of both? Maybe it's having clear guidelines. There was a lot of discussion after the Easter Ride from Wellington about what could be done to possibly prevent that sort of thing happening again.
As far as reinforcing the general cager population attitudes against riders...not sure really. People who believe stereotypes are normally the biggest dorks out in my book.

Well said CSL.....

(note here I agree with CSL, but I dont want to associate what she said with what I am about to say in the rest of the post. I just thought that was one of the best posts on the subject so far)

I suspect my original post on the other thread kicked this all off to an extent. I would like to add a couple of things to the discussion. Firstly, my idea of a good ride is where everyone has a good time, and gets to push the limits of the bike/rider in some way. However, at the same time, I dont think that, out of the 20?? (I dont know I think this was roughly the number) bikes, 2 bins sounds like a responsible ride. If I was to bin a bike, say 10% of the times I rode it, I would seriously think about how I was riding. I know the rest of the riders didnt bin it, and some probably do very very rarely. But this sort of outcome that has happened on the past two big rides organised. No reflection on the organisers, or most of the riders. I am however, thinking very carefully about whether I go out on a kiwibiker organised ride, as it seems that some of the people who attend are not what I would, in my biased opinion, call sensible riders. I dont think I would enjoy going if I felt obliged to stop 2-3 times each ride to help someone who has had an accident.

I know that each incident hasnt been soul destroying for the individuals involved, and that there were mitigating circumstances in each case. BUT I would say, as a general viewpoint, and not directed specifically at *anyone* on the coromandel loop ride, that leaving a safety margin at most times, ie not riding the bike to its limits all the time, seems to me to be the best way to ride. Given the recent spate of bins being reported on here, I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in thinking this. I would like to ride with a group of people with a similar philosophy, as it isnt much fun watching a whole lot of people who ride faster than you would like to take off and have to wait for you to catch up later. I know I would feel like I am cramping their style, and I certainly wouldnt be chasing them, even if I felt it was possible.

My original post was an attempt to point out that there have been a huge number of bins reported recently, and I was wondering where the rides were for slower buggers like me who dont want to accept that frequency of accidents as part and parcel of motorcycling. Is it, infact, worth going on rides with people out there that I dont know? I was planning on going out on one of these more publicised rides, to meet a few people and see how these sportsbikes go against my tourer, but I dont think I will, given what I've heard over the past few weeks. I'll stick to riding with people I know, and find out how well my brother's "new" '91 ZXR400 goes instead.

I am coming along to Puke this friday, cos I believe that the racetrack is one place where you can push your bike to the limit, and lose that safety margin. I'm looking forward to seeing some good, quick riding in the place where it ought to be (and looking forward to seeing TS stick it to some of the bigger bikes on his little (nicely repainted) sewing machine). I presume I'll see a fair few of you there, feel free to come up and chat/argue with me (I do enjoy a good argument....)

Peace and love and kindness,

Posh

[Motoracer]

Death, Draco and mates, I have ridden with yous once and I must say... You folks are really nice and good, on and off the road.

I was really impressed with your wheelies as well Death. They look fucking awesome. :Punk:

Today, for the first time I wheelied a roadbike (other than the FXR). That R1 has really boosted my confidence with wheelies. I have even started clutching it up in 1st on my 600. I'd be stoked if after lotsa practice I become half as good as you and your mate Sam.

[Holy Roller]

Unfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.
To right wkid_one there are winners and losers but our handbook is anything but PC

[andy1]

yes, (dangerous) my post was NOT needed and i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2

[Lord Pac]

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.



Good on ya!!

its your prerogative.
You know the risks, you're adults
Its a free country!

safe :scooter:

[Draco]

Death, Draco and mates, I have ridden with yous once and I must say... You folks are really nice and good, on and off the road.

I was really impressed with your wheelies as well Death. They look fucking awesome. :Punk:

Today, for the first time I wheelied a roadbike (other than the FXR). That R1 has really boosted my confidence with wheelies. I have even started clutching it up in 1st on my 600. I'd be stoked if after lotsa practice I become half as good as you and your mate Sam.

Cheers Motoracer, the feedback we've had from everyone who joined us has been wonderful. Glad 2 hear your getting those wheelies sussed :banana: i'm green with envy :not:

[Holy Roller]

i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2
Don't be too hard on yourself, you have valuable contributions to be made. Wisdom may be needed at times but as a tee shirt said... To be old and wise .... first you have to be young and stupid :Punk:
( Note this is in generic terms not implying anything really)
I'm sure that some of my views are not well recieved but as the TV add states "first you have to know me before you judge me" I just may be one of those 1 in 5 NZers.

[Zed]

Unfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.

I am not being dishonest - merely taking alternative pov's to get some decent discussion going on here. As I said before - this board is inane when everyone just agrees with everyone. Playing devils advocate is not being dishonest - merely disruptive.
When they lock you up for going too far with your "life is a game" philosophy Wkid, don't expect a "get out of jail free" card mate! :yeah:


Zed

[Ms Piggy]

:banana:.............................

Much nicer :yeah: But make sure you keep posting :2thumbsup

[SPman]

...
SP - did anyone get any video of the wheelie(s). http://www.saslex.orcon.net.nz/Picture%20018.avi

I wasn't implying peeps in the Nhuanh incident werent members - phrased it wrong.

[johno]

This is a pretty interesting discussion. I have been on two rides in the last 12 months where a rider went down. I am convinced inexperience plays a part, but also the mis-match of riding ability can cause pressure, especially if you are inexpeienced. I am quicker than some, but there are a lot quicker than me. I feel frustrated when riding with really slow guys. (Can't help it, it sucks). I have also felt the pressure when riding with faster guys, and I have had to back off when I have got out of my comfort zone. It is never perfect, but I think it is much more enjoyable to ride with people of similar ability and enjoy doing the things you do. I think that is why most of us ride with a few friends who we are familiar with. KiwiBiker site is a good way to get to know more riders.

[BigB]

Hi All

I have been on many KB rides, didn't go on this one due to bike in shop. Have only seen one person bin and that was due to the road conditions.

But the one thing that's always been said at the start of the ride is "RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE" the faster guys will always wait and never complain about it. These rides are a great way of meeting other bikers and I hope people don't get put off riding in these groups. Accidents do happen thats way they are called ACCIDENTS.

anyway that's just my point of view.

:rockon:

[wkid_one]

When they lock you up for going too far with your "life is a game" philosophy Wkid, don't expect a "get out of jail free" card mate! :yeah:


ZedI wasn't referring to Monopoly Zed

My 'quote' refers to a comment made in Bill Gate's book.

You make choices (I don't believe pre-determined) based partly on experience and partly on luck.....you either win or lose....however where you end up at the end of it has nothing to do with winning or losing - but how you played the game along the way.

Zed, you of all people should be ameniable to this quote - as based on your handbook - we are mere chess pieces at the mercy of your Deity. What bigger game could you want.

[wkid_one]

To right wkid_one there are winners and losers but our handbook is anything but PC
True it places woman in a subservient position, men in a dominant position, people of the clergy above all and only under God -and anyone who doesn't believe in God or worse still believes in another a heathen

[SPman]

Ooh goody, we're back on religion.......that's a nice safe subject :laugh:

[Ms Piggy]

True it places woman in a subservient position, men in a dominant position, people of the clergy above all and only under God -and anyone who doesn't believe in God or worse still believes in another a heathen

Nah you're getting the bible & some branches of organised religion mixed up. That's what some believe or interpret the bible as saying. The bible itself has some good stuff & some pretty odd stuff too! There are some people who state to know what it means that twist it all around to suit the climate of the day.

But I'm a pagan so what would I know ;)

[DEATH_INC.]

yes, (dangerous) my post was NOT needed and i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2

Don't be put off posting what you think ;) .
I think that a bit more constructive critisism is all that's required :Pokey: .......
Don't be shy to voice your opinion,just try to get yer facts right and try to be clear on what yer trying to say :niceone: .

[KATWYN]

Well, when I see 3 - 4 bikes all pulling mono's down the motorway
it looks way cool, and to keep the front up for ages must take heaps of skill.
The most I have ever done,is to practice stoppies on the R6.
I have had the back wheel up off the ground about half to a foot only, (big deal no doubt) but it felt really good to acheive it.

From another perspective,I think that some of
us in this forum have experienced some tragic, horrifying, frightening
results of "motorcycling gone wrong" and I feel this may result in
comments that may seem "negative" on the forum, to those that have not experienced the dark side of it (Or who veiw it differently.)

Maybe a bit of understanding and accepting other peoples opinions might go a long way in here as we don't really know everyones circumstances.

[Zed]

...based on your handbook - we are mere chess pieces at the mercy of your Deity
I couldn't think of a better Master Chess Player than my God to put my life in the hands of...you see, those who know God personally and trust in Him don't view life as a game in the hands of an angry God, but rather a wonderful journey with a loving Father & Saviour that will last for all eternity. :hug:

Now as far as your little game your playing with peoples minds on this site- you remind me of the many times I have heard people say something wrong that they regret and then turn around giving the excuse "I was only joking." Most of us weren't born yesterday and can see through your thin veil of deceit Cincinnati. :angry:

My thoughts anyway ;)


Zed

[Jackrat]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.
Both crashes could of been avoided.The guys chain coming off could of been avoided.If his mates had been looking out for him that is.
Some people chose not to go on that ride because of the very things that did happen.The last big ride I went on had around a hundred riders and nobody crashed,nobody broke down,Some riders rode very hard but still no incidents.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride to the limit at times,I pick my place and my company,An organised ride with people I don't know is not the place.When around a hundred so called old farts can get through the day without one incident yet a small group of KBer's can't then there is something wrong going on.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride with a club that simply will not let anybody ride with them if their bike it not up to scratch,We help our newbie riders by checking out their bikes.We brake into fast an not so fast groups at the start of the ride.We get rid of the show boaters as soon as they make themselfs known.Our organisers go out of their way to make sure everybody has a safe and enjoyable ride.
If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off.
I won't go on a KB ride,the chances of history repeating is just to high.

[Motoracer]

It may be true that KB rides aren't as organised and "safe" as your club rides. Then again, what is KB? it's a website that brings riders of all sort together. It is just a face representing a part of the biking comunity out there. KB rides or anyother ride going on elsewhere (not counting well organised club rides like yours), this kinda stuff happens all the time. Its not cause we are just down right crazy group.

Things can always be avoided but keep in mind that most of us are not as experienced as you with things so mistakes do happen. We learn as we go along. Constructive critisism is really good and I am sure it is appriciated by most.

[Jackrat]

It may be true that KB rides aren't as organised and "safe" as your club rides. Then again, what is KB? it's a website that brings riders of all sort together. It is just a face representing a part of the biking comunity out there. KB rides or anyother ride going on elsewhere (not counting well organised club rides like yours), this kinda stuff happens all the time. Its not cause we are just down right crazy group.

Things can always be avoided but keep in mind that most of us are not as experienced as you with things so mistakes do happen. We learn as we go along. Constructive critisism is really good and I am sure it is appriciated by most.
Good post,Your right things happen.
KB is the best MC site on the net,but as you say we ain't a club.
I learn a lot from the many different people here.
I used to live by the old saying "Ride hard,die young,Leave a good looking corpse".
Trouble is I ain't young or good looking.
It's odd how time changes your point of veiw. :whistle: :o

[sAsLEX]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.
Both crashes could of been avoided.The guys chain coming off could of been avoided.If his mates had been looking out for him that is.
Some people chose not to go on that ride because of the very things that did happen.The last big ride I went on had around a hundred riders and nobody crashed,nobody broke down,Some riders rode very hard but still no incidents.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride to the limit at times,I pick my place and my company,An organised ride with people I don't know is not the place.When around a hundred so called old farts can get through the day without one incident yet a small group of KBer's can't then there is something wrong going on.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride with a club that simply will not let anybody ride with them if their bike it not up to scratch,We help our newbie riders by checking out their bikes.We brake into fast an not so fast groups at the start of the ride.We get rid of the show boaters as soon as they make themselfs known.Our organisers go out of their way to make sure everybody has a safe and enjoyable ride.
If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off.
I won't go on a KB ride,the chances of history repeating is just to high.


Your point of checking the others bikes especially those new to riding is a good one and totally agree with this.

[erik]

...Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?

...I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.
...


I agree that it's a bit of both, and it depends on the situation and riders. I mean, if I was riding with someone and knew that they wanted to keep up with me, I'd go slower (assuming they were a slower rider than me). But if I knew they were happy to be left behind a bit, then I'd go a bit faster and let them determine their own speed.
But ultimately, I think it is each riders responsibility to be able to determine their own speed and decide when to push it, and when to take it easy.

[Cajun]

just gonna put in my 2 cents worth.

I went on part of the ride on saturday. I had to get home to set someone up on adsl that avo. But was a good chance to put some more milage on the new gixxer.

It was a good ride. Great to see tons of sports bikes all together.

I didn't see either accident, cause i had gone my own way before the cbr lost it. The stunting was a great show. And i think it was done in farily countroable conditions.

Riding bikes or pretty much being on the road full stop, you are gonna crash/come off one day sooner or later. Often its due to no fault of your own. And if always rode around like babys, there would be on fun in it, and arn't we in to riding for fun and enjoyment??

i better stop babbling, and put more milage on that gixxer not far away from first service then i can take it to that 15,500 red line (c:<

[SPman]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.. Always a subjective thing, as witness some of the replies on this site.


Both crashes could of been avoided.The guys chain coming off could of been avoided.If his mates had been looking out for him that is
Some people chose not to go on that ride because of the very things that did happen.The last big ride I went on had around a hundred riders and nobody crashed,nobody broke down,Some riders rode very hard but still no incidents.
So what's going on with KB rides?? Ultimately, all crashes can be avoided. The first one was, in hindsight, a classic case of young guy on fast bike getting into a corner to fast for his subconcious survival reflex! He could probably have just put on more lean and got around with little drama,except to his brain, which would have been a valuable learning experience with no drama. However reflexes kicked in and.....! He left with the front group so most of us didnt see it. I don't know his experience levels. Sam??, Hamish??
The second bin, no one saw, he was off by himself, well ahead of the rest. (We were having frequent stops) He appeared to be a pretty experienced
rider, but he was well off ahead of most of us! His bike was new and he did hit gravel, but ????? What happened is conjecture based on signs at the scene, he cann't remember much.
The first was probably a young , testosterone, keep up with the fast guys scenario.The second was a guy riding quick, by himself.We were going to meet up in Whitianga.
As an aside, there was also a guy on a Fireblade who binned it south of Coromandel. He was riding by himself, not connected with the KB ride.
Ryans chain... I only noticed Ryans chain looked a little "flexy" shortly before it came off and then, only as a "hmmm. that looks a little bit loose", but then, it was concentrate on the twisties in hand, so it slipped my mind.Also, he was riding in a different group.
...Unlike a club, KB is a loose network of people who often dont know each other, meeting up with each other for a ride to somewhere.Most of us dont know how each other rides, levels of skill, experience,etc, or even if we can get on together in a ride.Its a bit like a lucky dip. There is no structure or hierachy as such, which is both a blessing and a bane. We all assume that we are responsible for our own vehicles. We dont check out each others bikes closely for mechanical aptitude...perhaps we should in future.
However,I have met some great people and good riders on these rides. Some, I wouldnt ride with again, and others, I would be happy to ride with, anytime.

I ride to the limit at times,I pick my place and my company,An organised ride with people I don't know is not the place I ride the same as I do when I ride by myself. If riding with a group, I often leave last, but will invariably work through the group to a position where I feel comfortable. I like to follow a reasonably fast group, but I know my limitations - I'm no Rossi wannabe, if I feel myself being sucked in over my limits,I back off.I'm there to enjoy myself, my ego is very small and it hurts when you fall of! Subsequently, I often ride by myself or with a couple of others of similar flow. Most group rides I have been on tend to sort themselves into speed groups and KB rides are no diff.

.Our organisers go out of their way to make sure everybody has a safe and enjoyable ride. Compared to most rides I've been on,Saturdays was good in this respect.


If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off. Phrasing a complaint in such a way as it can be read as a personal attack, sure doesnt help. When you come back from what most people considered an enjoyable ride and then get slagged by people whose sensibilities were offended, you tend to take it as personal abuse. Not everyone has skin as thick as a Rhino's .

I won't go on a KB ride,the chances of history repeating is just to high. Your choice. We are all responsible for our personal choices and ultimately have to live with them. You can only go with what feels right for you.
Ive been on 4 KB rides and there have been 3 offs, none of which I saw.
I think it tends to happen more in larger, loose groups. However, as people get to know each other, they tend to get more choosy and ride with people they feel 100% comfortable in smaller groups.But if you dont know many other riders, its a good place to meet them.
Lets all learn from these.
Ive learnt to keep my mouth shut in future!!
Sorry for the rave.
:whocares:

[Coldkiwi]

Lets all learn from these.
Ive learnt to keep my mouth shut in future!!
Sorry for the rave.
:whocares:

not at all man, nice rave although a little too balanced to be considered worth of an apology. needs more hand and fist waving and untrue bigoted generalisations with slagging of some minority group :)

[merv]

When they lock you up for going too far with your "life is a game" philosophy Wkid, don't expect a "get out of jail free" card mate! :yeah:


Zed

Why do you have to write in such big bold writing, do you think we aren't listening you pussy? Its something akin to "shouting in capitals" which is definitely not PC on-line.

[Zed]

Why do you have to write in such big bold writing, do you think we aren't listening you pussy? Its something akin to "shouting in capitals" which is definitely not PC on-line.
Listen name-caller, ever since day one I have used bold, coloured text! It's my trademark okay, so don't get all hot & bothered about it. :angry2:

Just "chill out" as they say.


Zed

[merv]

Listen name-caller, ever since day one I have used bold, coloured text! It's my trademark okay, so don't get all hot & bothered about it. :angry2:

Just "chill out" as they say.


Zed

... but all of a sudden you went up one size to try and emphasise your point did you not? You don't need to do that if you have confidence in what you are saying because we are reading it anyway.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Merv, pipe down... Zed is entitled to use whatever font he wants to put a point across. Be careful you dont knock him for any other bias...Would you care if the big font was for the words "Wheelies rock!!" or "Speed kills" rather than a personal comment?

SPman, good rave, we are finally getting down to some well thought out replies on this topic of KB rides.... Thanks :)

[V Twin Raver]

I read this thread with interest and being relatively new to the site have been somewhat surprised by the amount of 'offs' reported with minimal personal injury. I was going to join this ride on Saturday but me and my girl ended up making our own way to Pauanui later on for lunch instead.

I am relatively new to Road Biking and am on a bike that legally I should not be on, but I am a sucker for torque, cruising at speeds not quite legal and there is a little bit of ego there to satisfy as well. I do however like to think that the ego thing is restrained when it comes to me pushing boundaries that I should'nt be just to impress fellow bikers - but hey, we all have our moments.

My approach to road riding is one whereby if an outside party does something that puts me in a situation where I come off my bike - that is the risk of riding and not too much can be done about that other than being aware of your suuroundings - you can't live your life wrapped up in cotton wool. However, if I do something dumb and come off, I view it as having no second chance i.e. if I come off, there are a lot of variables against me that will see me off to another place (temp. could be damn hot, might be just right). Therefore I approach a ride by riding what I think are within my limits. Call me odd but I like my life i.e. having use of my legs & conversing with people in a socially acceptable way is kind of special.

Having read about the excursions I am wondering if maybe these reported 'off's' are just part of the deal and maybe I should re-evaluate road riding as it is only a matter of time before it will be me despite my approach, or am I reading about the typical male ego whereby we all have to out-do each other and ride the wheels off our bikes with a limited regard for life? If the later is the case I understand the situation as I too have a nasty competitive streak. I just happen to know tho that there are a heap of dudes who will kick my arse on a road bike and that it is not the medium in which I want to argue about cock size.

Due to my approach, I do sit and wonder if the true road riders do get annoyed with waiting for slower riders which could and would invariably be me. Would I be labelled as some f'wit that rides a big bike for show and can't come near to handling it's true cornering potential? This, amongst the number of incidents I read about is a reason I am a little hesitant to join large riding groups. But I am sure I will in due course just to experience the wheelie shows.

Re; wheelies and you guys who ride balls out - good on you, I don't mind saying I envy that and the wheely stuff is an awesome show, but for me to learn all that I gotta be prepared to break stuff & at my age I gotta consider work, mortgage, life........blah blah blah. I have come off plenty of bikes through pushing the limit or through fatigue - all offs were on trail rides or motorcross tracks but I just think the road has got to be approached different.

Each to their own I say. I won't judge you just as I hope I would not be judged for being on the bike that I am on for the sound and the shear torque!!

Just take it easy out there.

[Zed]

I read this thread .....
Just take it easy out there. Well said VTR!

As I have seen you ride I would be comfortable in saying that you have good safe skills for a relatively new rider- Keep it up and don't be put off by what you read on this thread/site but rather judge what you see & experience out on the roads. In time you will know your limitations out there and also be able to recognise which riders you enjoy riding with and which ones to stay well clear of! :niceone:


Zed

[Cajun]

I read this thread with interest and being relatively new to the site have been somewhat surprised by the amount of 'offs' reported with minimal personal injury. I was going to join this ride on Saturday but me and my girl ended up making our own way to Pauanui later on for lunch instead.

I am relatively new to Road Biking and am on a bike that legally I should not be on, but I am a sucker for torque, cruising at speeds not quite legal and there is a little bit of ego there to satisfy as well. I do however like to think that the ego thing is restrained when it comes to me pushing boundaries that I should'nt be just to impress fellow bikers - but hey, we all have our moments.

My approach to road riding is one whereby if an outside party does something that puts me in a situation where I come off my bike - that is the risk of riding and not too much can be done about that other than being aware of your suuroundings - you can't live your life wrapped up in cotton wool. However, if I do something dumb and come off, I view it as having no second chance i.e. if I come off, there are a lot of variables against me that will see me off to another place (temp. could be damn hot, might be just right). Therefore I approach a ride by riding what I think are within my limits. Call me odd but I like my life i.e. having use of my legs & conversing with people in a socially acceptable way is kind of special.

Having read about the excursions I am wondering if maybe these reported 'off's' are just part of the deal and maybe I should re-evaluate road riding as it is only a matter of time before it will be me despite my approach, or am I reading about the typical male ego whereby we all have to out-do each other and ride the wheels off our bikes with a limited regard for life? If the later is the case I understand the situation as I too have a nasty competitive streak. I just happen to know tho that there are a heap of dudes who will kick my arse on a road bike and that it is not the medium in which I want to argue about cock size.

Due to my approach, I do sit and wonder if the true road riders do get annoyed with waiting for slower riders which could and would invariably be me. Would I be labelled as some f'wit that rides a big bike for show and can't come near to handling it's true cornering potential? This, amongst the number of incidents I read about is a reason I am a little hesitant to join large riding groups. But I am sure I will in due course just to experience the wheelie shows.

Re; wheelies and you guys who ride balls out - good on you, I don't mind saying I envy that and the wheely stuff is an awesome show, but for me to learn all that I gotta be prepared to break stuff & at my age I gotta consider work, mortgage, life........blah blah blah. I have come off plenty of bikes through pushing the limit or through fatigue - all offs were on trail rides or motorcross tracks but I just think the road has got to be approached different.

Each to their own I say. I won't judge you just as I hope I would not be judged for being on the bike that I am on for the sound and the shear torque!!

Just take it easy out there.

Well i went on this ride, and i rode at my own speed, i was braking my new bike in and so was taking easy on bike and tires brakes learning the chartersics of my new bike. I'm not interested keeping up if i can't i don't try and push myself to keep up if i can't, i don't care i will just ride my way and they will have to wait for me, i'm there to have fun, not to get hurt myself or my baby(motorbike) just for keeping up with someone else. I must say i'm only 25 but i do most of my riding with the local ulysses club(father in law is tauranga president) or among my family(we have 6 bikes). I have found riding with the local bike shops, you get to many hoons who do many stupid things. or ride beond there limits, which ends in damage. At least riding with the local ulysses club they not as likley to do stupid things, and more concerid riders then younger people. Even tho some of them do ride hard and fast, they don't do thing to upset the slower ones.

any how thats me i better do some more work

[sparrow_34]

I'm thinking of hiring out 'white helmets' for any future KB'r orgainsed rides. Should keep everyone nice and safe and shiny side up. Statistics don't lie ;)

[Quasievil]

And my pennies worth , it was unfortunate that a couple of the guys went a bit hard and suffered the consequenses as a result, but thats the game isnt it? we all ride to our level and beyond , and when beyond chances are that you will come of, no matter what your doing, I waterski quite hard and when I push hard I come of simple as that.
As a "average rider" I personally find it inspiring and challenging to watch guys like death and the other "better riders" do there stuff, thats how I learn and thats how I learn to do it right, I learn by the skill and the abilities of those riders. They are infact helping me and its great.
I was climbing out of Kautuna going up a hill at 130kph and following Death
(albeit momentarily) while he was accelerating away from me on one wheel.
FUCKING OUTSTANDING I say , I had a grin ear to ear, now that is inspiring .
And I thank you for the biggest buzz of my weekend,
PS
I emailed Adrain ,formally of Road &sport a wheelie video, and he knew it was you, lol :rockon:

[SPman]

. . At least riding with the local ulysses club they not as likley to do stupid things, and more concerid riders then younger people. Been for 3 or 4 rides with Ullysses. Quite frankly, some of them scared the shit out of me! Stay well away these days!

[Motoracer]

Been for 3 or 4 rides with Ullysses. Quite frankly, some of them scared the shit out of me! Stay well away these days!

Yea? :crazy:

In what way? Not cause they were crazy fast and did un-thinkable stunts was it? :eek5:

I have been on a Ullysses ride before. I was an honerary older person through my mate's Uni profesor. Good for them and everything but I nearly crashed cause I almost fell asleep on the bike :sleep: (It wasn't cause I was tired). I would have gone away and did my own thing but I was told that since I was in a club group ride, I had to follow the rules. :confused2

Might join them a bit later on in life when I do not become a risk to myself and others when riding with them cause they were a really nice bunch of people. :)

[wkid_one]

I couldn't think of a better Master Chess Player than my God to put my life in the hands of...you see, those who know God personally and trust in Him don't view life as a game in the hands of an angry God, but rather a wonderful journey with a loving Father & Saviour that will last for all eternity. :hug:

Now as far as your little game your playing with peoples minds on this site- you remind me of the many times I have heard people say something wrong that they regret and then turn around giving the excuse "I was only joking." Most of us weren't born yesterday and can see through your thin veil of deceit Cincinnati. :angry:

My thoughts anyway ;)


Zed
Firstly - I would rather be in control of my own life - than have a cop out and blame god for the bad mistakes.

Secondly - I don't hide behind anything I have said. I speak my mind - and have, and always will, play devils advocate to peoples points of view.

I have already expressed in a million other threads that I have no prob with stunting....fuck I couldn't care less what people do on bikes - so long as they are having fun (minds out of the gutters please).......who am I of all people to judge what people do on bikes....I treat the road as a race track hence why I am moving to the track.....

Please stop preaching to me Zed.....CK can - he has met me so is qualified to give me shit. JR can, coz he when he does it is is funny....yours is somewhat anane in its application....

[SPman]

Yea? :crazy:
In what way? Not cause they were crazy fast and did un-thinkable stunts was it? :eek5:
. :D
A lot of older guys with money on fast bikes (Blackbirds mainly), who thought they were bulletproof, without a lot of the skills and reactions to back it up, taking too many unnecessary risks, for my liking. Mainly B O B's.
Im not bagging them,:ar15: theres some neat people in Ullysses and lots of skilled riders:2thumbsup, just dont feel comfortable riding with them!
And as I've said, you gotta go with what feels right.:ride:

[SPman]

Firstly - I would rather be in control of my own life - than have a cop out and blame god for the bad mistakes.
. I thought God only helped.
I wouldnt mind people saying " God helped me play well and strike a home run", if they would also say " God made me fuck up and drop the ball " !

[madandy]

I went on this ride, two-up and I did'nt notice anyone appearing to be impatient in waiting for me because really no one was waiting for me...I caught up when everyone stopped, usually within a minute or two, and there was always time for me to roll a cigarette and enjoy it while talking and meeting the other riders there and I was never the last to leave after a rest...My better half is still building confidance in cornering speeds hence my relaxed pace...I can't imagine anyone riding slower than I did on Saturday without falling asleep.
I am not a great rider nor am I exceptionally fast when alone but I have seen alot of other riders do there thing in my 28 years and saw nothing crazy on Saturday.Even Sharon enjoyed the display of wheelies and one very good stoppie as she really respected the skill and control required to pull it off. :not:

To Mr. V Twin Raver:
We all see car drivers attemping to chase faster drivers/riders all the time and often they come unstuck once their skills are forgotten/exceeded in the heat of the pursuit..or their passengers order them to slow down.
Do not hesitate to come on a ride with these people, they are a terrific bunch who you will learn a lot from and I guarantee you're not the only person out there riding a bigger bike than you should for reasons such as your own.I too hanker for a powerful twin because of the torque delivery and sound.Once I've ridden this 400 for another summer and a 600 after that I will be ready for a real grunter...

[dangerous]

andy1..... on ya mate :apint:
Death inc..... Now these wheelies wernt on the ZX turby now were thay? Cos when I had my CX turbo I couldent lift it up to save me, if I did then the rev's had to be up near the gear change red zone and then the bloody thing would stand on end that damn fast I'd pack me self and come crashing down.... The Guzzi aint much better, but the Storm.... toooo easy it does it all on its own :cool:
Katwyn & VTRaver..... right on :niceone:

And does any one else out there think that its about time Wkid & Zed had there own thread list titeled ummm maybe 'The good and the bad' :laugh: :msn-wink:

[Posh Tourer :P]

Well i went on this ride, and i rode at my own speed, i was braking my new bike in and so was taking easy on bike and tires brakes learning the chartersics of my new bike. I'm not interested keeping up if i can't i don't try and push myself to keep up if i can't, i don't care i will just ride my way and they will have to wait for me, i'm there to have fun, not to get hurt myself or my baby(motorbike) just for keeping up with someone else. I must say i'm only 25 but i do most of my riding with the local ulysses club(father in law is tauranga president) or among my family(we have 6 bikes). I have found riding with the local bike shops, you get to many hoons who do many stupid things. or ride beond there limits, which ends in damage. At least riding with the local ulysses club they not as likley to do stupid things, and more concerid riders then younger people. Even tho some of them do ride hard and fast, they don't do thing to upset the slower ones.

any how thats me i better do some more work

I'm with both of you, VTR and Cajun.... maybe we should start a club :msn-wink: Seriously, good posts... are you two coming to Puke on fri? Would be good to meet you

[Cajun]

I'm with both of you, VTR and Cajun.... maybe we should start a club :msn-wink: Seriously, good posts... are you two coming to Puke on fri? Would be good to meet you

Nah i won't be at puke, i am still runnign the new 600 in so don't wanna go there or i be tempted to run it around, and also have to work )c:< but next time i be in. the misses is thinking next time will run my bike i donno weather that is a good or a bad thing at moment.

[Holy Roller]

Been for 3 or 4 rides with Ullysses. Quite frankly, some of them scared the shit out of me! Stay well away these days!
So its not just here in this community the ullysses guys have a saying "those who want to go play in their sandpit can go first, we'll catch up later" no bagging the guys just let them get on with it.
I'm not fast a good thing by having a 500 but I'm not slow either just an average rider, but after years of riding solo it takes some adjustment to riding with a group.

[dangerous]

Nah i won't be at puke, i am still runnign the new 600 in

What a lot of bollocks man, Suzuki are way over cautious when it comes to running in. If its got 500-1000k on it then give it the stick. I had 2000k on my VTR and went to a track day and its run a lot better ever since.
BTW Honda dont have a restriction on revs the book says ride normaly... thats balls out :niceone:

If ya baby it around for to long then it will never rev out and perform at its best IMHO

[mangell6]

but after years of riding solo it takes some adjustment to riding with a group.

Oh so true, requires different mental thinking often hard for people, I just refuse to think.

Mike

I am being punished by my 17yr old son who has 'Voodoo Chile' playing on the stereo. :Punk:

[Motoracer]

If ya baby it around for to long then it will never rev out and perform at its best IMHO

Thats what I heard too but what would I know. I haven't bought a brand new bike... yet..

[jimbo600]

What a lot of bollocks man, Suzuki are way over cautious when it comes to running in. If its got 500-1000k on it then give it the stick. I had 2000k on my VTR and went to a track day and its run a lot better ever since.
BTW Honda dont have a restriction on revs the book says ride normaly... thats balls out :niceone:

If ya baby it around for to long then it will never rev out and perform at its best IMHO

This is true. I ran my gixxer 750 as per the manual for about 1000k. Then got piss bored with that and went to the standing and flying 1/4's. It felt a bit tight at the time, but now it's running damn good. Posted some big numbers on the dyno too. Just make sure you change the oil and filter before giving it a handfull.

[Bleck K6]

I've been riding with DEATH.INC for years now & he is one of the best riders I know, DEATH & SAM riding together has me laughing all day. riding beside someone doing a wheelstand 1km or longer at 200kph is awesome, These guys have talent I reckon. Pity my talent only consists of 5-10metre long wheelstands off the power.hopefully I can be as irresponsible,I mean talented as them one day :2thumbsup .

[SPman]

I've been riding with DEATH.INC for years now & he is one of the best riders I know, DEATH & SAM riding together has me laughing all day. . Yeah, following those guys I couldnt help the mile wide grin under me helmet.
Fuck social responsibility, its good to have a bit of fun sometimes! :laugh:

[DEATH_INC.]

andy1..... on ya mate :apint:
Death inc..... Now these wheelies wernt on the ZX turby now were thay? Cos when I had my CX turbo I couldent lift it up to save me, if I did then the rev's had to be up near the gear change red zone and then the bloody thing would stand on end that damn fast I'd pack me self and come crashing down.... The Guzzi aint much better, but the Storm.... toooo easy it does it all on its own :cool:

Na,on the Gixxer.The ZX is undergoing a bit of surgery at the mo......and prolly a bit more H.P. work.My old beast has trouble keeping the front on the ground in any gear,176hp @ 15psi boost(@ rear),4 more hp per lb of boost,I often run upwards of 25 psi....you do the sums.Now riding that ANYWHERE may well be considered irresponsible and dangerous :whistle:

[MadDuck]

Ta Dangerous for looking out for our sensitive ears (or is that eyes) :spudwave:

[mangell6]

Check out these web sites for how people ride together.

www.wcx.nu and www.roadanddirt.com

[Zed]

...And does any one else out there think that its about time Wkid & Zed had there own thread list titeled ummm maybe 'The good and the bad' :laugh: :msn-wink:Oh haha...hey Mr D you could join us- "the good, the bad and the ugly!!!" :laugh:

Zed

p.s To qualify joining you have to believe in something!

[dangerous]

Oh haha...hey Mr D you could join us- "the good, the bad and the ugly!!!" :laugh:

Zed

p.s To qualify joining you have to believe in something!

LMAO :laugh: OHHHH........ that one will keep ;)

[Draco]

Good to see the "constructive" comments at last.
Jack, instead of personal attacks, you are now making some valid points. We (death & I) do encourage everyone we ride with to wear really good gear, and maintain their bike. Unfortunately, each person is responsible for themselves at the end of the day and not as fastidious as we are about maintenance, and some people work on a budget or have no mechanical experience. But we do try to encourage others as much as possible.

But as spman pointed out, it was very disapointing to return from such an awesome day to immediately get slagged by someone who wasn't even there. When you ride with a bunch of strangers, with varying degrees of experience, speed, personalities it is always a juggling act. I personally felt that our group ride was really relaxed, everyone (almost) rode at their own pace, and the whole group looked out for each other. That, at the end of the day is what's really important.

If a group ride is not your thing that's your choice, but if it's not, please don't try to sabotage the fun of those of us who do enjoy group rides. Remember every group is different, and each new member of the site should not be pre-judged by the past events.

I am always keen to meet new people to ride with, and i don't care how fast or slow they ride. I really enjoyed the company of everyone i rode with on saturday and would love to ride with any of you again.

Cheers, Draco. :ride:

[Rodders]

:niceone: Thanks Death and Draco for organising the CORO ride.Had a ball and really enjoyed meeting a good friendly bunch of riders from alround with no egos.
Been very entertaining reading the dialogue. Some wise comments coming thru SP , CLAIRE.
I believe you are at the end of the day responsible for the way you twist your OWN throttle - no one else. Sure the arenalin flows in a group - but you have to use your OWN brain and experience to know when to push and when to back off so you don't ruin someone elses day or your own.
Live to ride another day.
We all do this for fun and I think there were no complaints by those who actually did the ride ....only those that didn't???
Look forward to the next ride with you all. :grouphug:

[MadDuck]

:niceone: Thanks Death and Draco for organising the CORO ride.Had a ball and really enjoyed meeting a good friendly bunch of riders from alround with no egos.
Been very entertaining reading the dialogue. Some wise comments coming thru SP , CLAIRE.
I believe you are at the end of the day responsible for the way you twist your OWN throttle - no one else. Sure the arenalin flows in a group - but you have to use your OWN brain and experience to know when to push and when to back off so you don't ruin someone elses day or your own.
Live to ride another day.
We all do this for fun and I think there were no complaints by those who actually did the ride ....only those that didn't???
Look forward to the next ride with you all. :grouphug:

Ok dammit I wasnt there ....but I wish I was now. Why do we ride in groups? But to improve our own riding skills and if there is one or two chose to go and prove a point well let them go and we see the result of that. I find riding with a group so much more fun than turning up to a cafe alone...keep up the good work DEATH (and Draco) cos next time I will be there for sure
But Dangeroous does have a point....what message do we want to send to cagers if we all wearing KB shirts and keep binning ????
Just my 2c

[moko]

Riding bikes or pretty much being on the road full stop, you are gonna crash/come off one day sooner or later. Often its due to no fault of your own. And if always rode around like babys, there would be on fun in it, and arn't we in to riding for fun and enjoyment?

What an attitude,if you ride thinking that eventually you`re going to fall off you cant have a lot of confidence in your ability.Brit Police are taught that there`s no such thing as an accident,somewhere down the line some dork has screwed up and created the situation that caused the incident."Riding like babys",well someone who rides within their skill level no matter how slowly is being a lot more mature and intelligent than the brainless cowboys who fly around on the edge of disaster trying to keep up with the faster riders who do have the skills to handle those things that are "no fault of your own".I like to ride fast and I like to cruise along and take in the view,what I dont do is take stupid risks,ever.Bike accidents aren`t a laugh,even in these PC days wheelchairs dont have a lot of street cred and death isnt glamourous,you shit yourself and your parents cry.I`ve got no problem with fast,safe riders,people doing stuff they know how to do expertly e.t.c. but gung-ho attitudes are what leads to disaster on group rides.I dont do them anymore because they always used to turn into a race with people on fast bikes they couldn`t handle putting everyone at risk.Now there`s just one guy I ride with and I know he knows his stuff and we can have a bit of a hoon knowing the other is observing everything around and isn`t going to do anything dumb or un-predictable.

[Slim]

Anybody want to own up to a wheelstand on SH1 near Karapiro Mobil heading towards Cambridge Monday morning???? ;) :D

I was driving along thinking, "Oooh it's a bike ... hang on ... it's too tall to be a bike .... what the???" and grinning as a red bike of probably Japanese-4 persuasion passed me in a full mono with the rider standing on the pegs.

I have to admit to that being the first time I've seen a wheelie pulled in everyday traffic, with no other riders around to be showing off to. Good on ya. :D

[V Twin Raver]

Anybody want to own up to a wheelstand on SH1 near Karapiro Mobil heading towards Cambridge Monday morning???? ;) :D
On the subject; Does anybody (on an 03/04 R1) want to own up to a wheelstand on Ti-Rakau Drive heading towards Botany Town Centre on Sunday Morning. Same type of thing, I was in a cage, looked in the rear view mirror and had a glimpse in the distance of the underbelly of a bike - for a long time - wheelie right past Headin Home Bar. And then eventually came past me on two wheels. Well Done!

Posh; I will not be there on Friday - got work to attend to. But we will have to catch up for a ride in the future.

[Cajun]

What a lot of bollocks man, Suzuki are way over cautious when it comes to running in. If its got 500-1000k on it then give it the stick. I had 2000k on my VTR and went to a track day and its run a lot better ever since.
BTW Honda dont have a restriction on revs the book says ride normaly... thats balls out :niceone:

If ya baby it around for to long then it will never rev out and perform at its best IMHO

Well dangerous i have done about 800kms now. Its getting its first service end of this week. Once that is done i will just ride it. not baby it it. But until then i still baby it, i want the motor to last, i won't be allowed to get a new bike for another 5 years, and i do at least 15-20,000kms a year, so over 5 years that will be something around or over 80,000kms and i don't want to run in to problem in that time if possible. That many japanese company can't be wrong, and i have also been told buy a few friends who use race suzukis to follow manual for first 1000kms then jsut ride it, and this as also come froma couple i guys i know who are engine reconditions(they do motorbikes as well, that they believe you don't run and engine in hard, and they do race engines for cars/bikes/boats)

So really, its my bike i will ride it how i want, and baby it when i want, and take it to the track when i am good and ready to, and not before.

[pete376403]

Lots of people "run-in" by running it slow, getting into top gear as soon as possible, chugging around. This is certain death for the motor, as there's too much heat build up, and at low revs, not enough oil flowing.
Keeping it in the middle of the rev range, varying the revs, occassionaly giving a good rev, and not letting it labour will make for a happier motor

[Cajun]

Lots of people "run-in" by running it slow, getting into top gear as soon as possible, chugging around. This is certain death for the motor, as there's too much heat build up, and at low revs, not enough oil flowing.
Keeping it in the middle of the rev range, varying the revs, occassionaly giving a good rev, and not letting it labour will make for a happier motor

Thats what i am doing pete not labouring it, but keeping it in middle of rev range, and vary the revs as you go as well with the gears. But i wanna run in it a bit before i start keeping it in the high part of rev range.

[dangerous]

Well dangerous i have done about 800kms now. Its getting its first service end of this week
So really, its my bike i will ride it how i want, and baby it when i want, and take it to the track when i am good and ready to, and not before.

Mate..... I wasent telling you what to do, did you not notice
the 'IMHO' :niceone: You are doing nothing different to what I do when running in.

What I will say is that I once ran a bike in slow and till about 4000km and it strugled to do 170k were as I also ran in a diferent bike but the same engine and put 400k on it then rung its neck and this bike pulled 200 and got there a shit load quicker (with bigger jets and pipe mod) :apint:

[DEATH_INC.]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.
I believe the person you are refering to wasn't actually present.(I could be wrong though....)


If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off.



and others poping wheelies to show what wankers they are.
Remember this line?I DO take this as a personal attack (not really a complaint ,is it?)on myself and my friend and responded accordingly. :mad:

When all is said and done I feel we all had a good time and look forward to riding with you guys again. :2thumbsup
Just make sure you say if you don't want the wheelies ect on YOUR ride and we'll stay away. :niceone:

[DEATH_INC.]

So really, its my bike i will ride it how i want, and baby it when i want, and take it to the track when i am good and ready to, and not before.

I ran mine in as per manual and had no probs with it.It made 118hp@rear with just a Kerker can which is good for this model('99 GSXR750).It's done nearly 40k now had 2 other owners and still going as strong as ever :niceone:

[jimbo600]

I ran mine in as per manual and had no probs with it.It made 118hp@rear with just a Kerker can which is good for this model('99 GSXR750).It's done nearly 40k now had 2 other owners and still going as strong as ever :niceone:

I used to own that gixxer death. Bloody awesome bike. Had alot of fun on that one. Kerker can sound shit hot too.

[DEATH_INC.]

I used to own that gixxer death. Bloody awesome bike. Had alot of fun on that one. Kerker can sound shit hot too.
Were you the 2nd or third owner?
I'm 1st and fourth.....

[jimbo600]

Were you the 2nd or third owner?
I'm 1st and fourth.....

Third. I got it of Bay City motorcycles in Tauranga. Then px'ed it on a 2003 gixxer 750 from Holeshot in Auckland.

Jeez you must love the thing buying it back.

It's definitely a good 'un though.

[DEATH_INC.]

Yeah,it's a great bike orright.
I traded it on a ZX12 at baycity,the next guy only had it a few months and did the same thing.
My mate spotted it in holeshots,I went and had a ride on the old girl(they gave it to me to ride when draco rode the cbr) and I had to have it back,so I traded the 12 on it....
Must compliment you on your bike care skills,she looks excatly as she did when I traded her all those months ago.Well done. :niceone:

[Coldkiwi]

I like riding in groups because its more fun to have a coffee/lunch with someone else than sit on your own (got to do both on saturday when I accodentaly bypassed the group in whitianga and had lunch on my own in the field in coromandel while waiting!). Its also great to pace myself off other riders and machinery that might be faster than my own. if I find I can keep up with bigger bikes with good riders and not feel like I'm on the ragged edge, that makes me happy because it means I'm improving (there's that self-improvement thing again). Its my survival instinct and desire to get home in one piece (and praying for sensible thoughts and no bravado while Zed and Wkid are on the subject) that helps me to keep a lid on going nuts if I start to get left behind. I.e. When Andy came past me going up hunua on his 250, I realised he was a much faster (albiet somewhat crazier) rider than me and that I'd probably have an off if I got too bent out of shape and chased him. I'm certainly a little competetive on my bike but its a curiousity thing for my own benefit more than being able to brag about it.

as for slower riders being under pressure, I think all it requires is for them to know that the lead riders are going to stop at set intervals and wait for them. If people know the route and know they'll see the guys again, there should be no pressure to hurry beyond what people are comfy with. After all, I get pretty sore legs etc from pushing the GSXR hard so i'm happy to have a stop for a stretch and a bit of a nater. Also useful for checking luggage and to see if you damn bag has come open... grrrrrr!!

[Cajun]

I done the lost luggage before coldkiwi bit of a bugger, but i then went and claimed insurnace, household isnurance for me was like $200 excess, so i had been camping that night so had quite a bit of luggage full off the bike, and a bit that didn't fall that was still at home but i claimed for (c:<

I also perfer riding in groups, more the social nature of it i guess, riding by yaself gets boring after a while, espically if riding same roads day in day out like i did going backwards and forwards to hamilton from tauranga last year 3/4 times a week.

[Coldkiwi]

yeah. I'll be claiming on those lost items too I think

[jimbo600]

Yeah,it's a great bike orright.
I traded it on a ZX12 at baycity,the next guy only had it a few months and did the same thing.
My mate spotted it in holeshots,I went and had a ride on the old girl(they gave it to me to ride when draco rode the cbr) and I had to have it back,so I traded the 12 on it....
Must compliment you on your bike care skills,she looks excatly as she did when I traded her all those months ago.Well done. :niceone:

I tell ya I loved the thing. If I wasn't riding it I was cleaning it. Put a new set of Chain and Sprockets on too. The rear has a couple of extra teeth. Had some fun at Manfeild on that gixxer.