Off Road Manners

[Flatcap]

Is it usual manners for you motocross types to ride your machines in public parks?

Took the dog for the daily walk in Big King Reserve here in Auckland and who should I come across but some prick on a shit box ex dairy farmers bike fanging it around the park. Took it upon myself to warn him it was a urban park with families and small children walking the household mutt and got a hearty "Fuck off and take your poodle with you" in response (he clearly does not know his dogs).

Is this a normal attitude or was he an exceptional cocksucker?

[Motu]

Pretty normal for people who ride in parks....as a kid he was probably a skateboarder who expected pedestrians to leap out of his way as he blasted through shopping centers.Finaly achieving 2 wheels he could then force people off footpaths and onto the grass or road.It was his parents fault of course....but you can blame the Labour Government too if you like.

[Paul in NZ]

Funny how we find it pretty offensive how guys on nasty dirt bikes ride stupidly in inappropriate places like public parks.

Not so funny when 'other' people find it offensive when we ride inappropriately on race track replica's in public places like... well the highway...

Just a thought!

[Flatcap]

Funny how we find it pretty offensive how guys on nasty dirt bikes ride stupidly in inappropriate places like public parks.

Not so funny when 'other' people find it offensive when we ride inappropriately on race track replica's in public places like... well the highway...

Just a thought!


You didn't look at what I ride, did you Paul? All noise, little speed

Plus a road is a defined area, as opposed to a rolling park with trees etc.

[Motu]

Lucky you weren't around when I was a teenager - we rode our trail bikes on all of Aucklands volcano's,even Mt Eden and One Tree Hill...but Mt Richmond was our favortite.Go up there now and you'll still see the tracks we made leaping in and out of the kumara pits,hill climbs up the crater sides.Anti social was one of the requirments of being a motorcyclist.....you are all so PC now....

[Ixion]

Was the young fella actually doing any harm? Yeah yeah he was prolly making a bit of noise, and messing up the grass. It'll grow back. And I doubt there was any likelihood of him hitting anyone - or dogs. Were you not once young ?

[Macktheknife]

Im sorry I obviously missed your point..... who was being rude again?
Perhaps if I read it again...... nope still dont see it.
Ok he was a bit rude to you and all BUT, give the boy his credit, he was in a park, not on a road.
He was being at least moderately considerate of other users, or you would have said so.
And he was sticking up for his right to have a bit of fun and not destroy property, steal, drug up or generally be a complete fuck up.
What reaction did you expect exactly?
Gee thanks mister, I will go lock it up at home and never ride again.
Maybe if you had told him of a better place or suggested some way to improve his riding skills you might have got a different reaction, then again maybe not.

[Flatcap]

Was the young fella actually doing any harm? Yeah yeah he was prolly making a bit of noise, and messing up the grass. It'll grow back. And I doubt there was any likelihood of him hitting anyone - or dogs. Were you not once young ?


Alarmingly this guy was late forties - don't mind little fellas on their small bikes, had one myself in fact.

Noise doesn't matter - the dogs make a cacophony themselves. My worry is the bike coming over a berm and collecting a kid.

[Flatcap]

Im sorry I obviously missed your point..... who was being rude again?
Perhaps if I read it again...... nope still dont see it.
Ok he was a bit rude to you and all BUT, give the boy his credit, he was in a park, not on a road.
He was being at least moderately considerate of other users, or you would have said so.
And he was sticking up for his right to have a bit of fun and not destroy property, steal, drug up or generally be a complete fuck up.
What reaction did you expect exactly?
Gee thanks mister, I will go lock it up at home and never ride again.
Maybe if you had told him of a better place or suggested some way to improve his riding skills you might have got a different reaction, then again maybe not.

Not a boy - if he was I would have done exactly as you describe. In fact I probably would have asked for a ride myself.

Simple fact was I wanted to make sure this 40ish man knew there were other park users and to watch out for them. Didn't tell him to leave.

[DirtMad]

We ride our pit bikes all over the place, mostly parks and construction areas.
Its harder to find places to ride close to home these days (for a REAL dirtbike), thats why we got the little bikes - to go ride wherever the fuck we want :headbang:

[inlinefour]

growing up, there was HEAPS of places to ride. But over the years, Joe public complained and whinged about it, at one stage even put nail traps down to get bikers. Now that I can afford the toys I want, there is NO WHERE to go. Does not matter what you do these days, or what you do. There allways will be at least one person who thinks its well in their right to complain about what your doing. If there was a place in New Plymouth that I could go, when Im not shift working then Id be stoked. But no such luck. As for walking your dog in a public park? How selfish, get out of his way as hes working on a lap record, didnt ya know?:gob: You never break the law? Go walk your mutt elsewhere:bash:

The stuff you could get away with when I was a kid was no particular big thing, just people have the need to blow it outta proportion these days. Blame the Government? Nope, blame yourselves... If I saw this, Id probably go and get the DRZ and give him a race :)

[DirtMad]

How selfish, get out of his way as hes working on a lap record, didnt ya know?:gob:

working on a lap record haha :rofl: , too true too true :niceone:

[Flatcap]

growing up, there was HEAPS of places to ride. But over the years, Joe public complained and whinged about it, at one stage even put nail traps down to get bikers. Now that I can afford the toys I want, there is NO WHERE to go. Does not matter what you do these days, or what you do. There allways will be at least one person who thinks its well in their right to complain about what your doing. If there was a place in New Plymouth that I could go, when Im not shift working then Id be stoked. But no such luck. As for walking your dog in a public park? How selfish, get out of his way as hes working on a lap record, didnt ya know?:gob: You never break the law? Go walk your mutt elsewhere:bash:

The stuff you could get away with when I was a kid was no particular big thing, just people have the need to blow it outta proportion these days. Blame the Government? Nope, blame yourselves... If I saw this, Id probably go and get the DRZ and give him a race :)

A few things inlinefour
1. Big King Reserve is one of the few designated Dog Exercise areas left in Auckland so I WILL walk my dog there you ignoramus
2. The only place I complained was on this site so I doubt further legislation will occur. Is that what you consider as blowing it out of proportion?
3. This guys activity was not an issue, but his attitude was. Clearly you agree with this type of attitude, so it is people like you that spoil it for everyone else by fucking off moderate thinking people like me.
4. Thanks for the red - I'm assuming it was you because you didn't sign your name

[inlinefour]

A few things inlinefour
1. Big King Reserve is one of the few designated Dog Exercise areas left in Auckland so I WILL walk my dog there you ignoramus
2. The only place I complained was on this site so I doubt further legislation will occur. Is that what you consider as blowing it out of proportion?
3. This guys activity was not an issue, but his attitude was. Clearly you agree with this type of attitude, so it is people like you that spoil it for everyone else by fucking off moderate thinking people like me.
4. Thanks for the red - I'm assuming it was you because you didn't sign your name

Getting a tad upset because someone disagrees with you? Funny how that occurs. Yea I red repped you, would do it again if I could but it won't let me. You speak of attitudes? You certianly don't lead by example. Moderate people like you, thats a funny one... Funny how they have places where you can take your dogs, horses whatever, except for bikes. Dunno about your area, but thats the way it is here. Finally, by all means do have an opinion, but dont spit the dummy because you find people who disagree with you. From reading your posts on the matter, I doubt if you was polite to the rider in mention. Maybe that had something to do with the reply you recieved? Yea perhaps the rider should not have been there, but then again, who actually decides who can be and what can happen...:ride: Go walk ya dog and calm down as your attitude aint any different. Thats my issue.:tugger: Feel free to red rep me, I dont actually mind :moon:

[MidnightMike]

The guy sounds like a straight up assholio to me <_< ( the one on the bike) < Ok inline?

[thealmightytaco]

Public park, if you can walk ya dog he can ride his bike, as long as he's not killing anyone.
And can almost guarantee you only got that reaction because you told him he couldn't do what he was doing, much like someone telling you not to take your dog there...

Anyway, simmer down you lot.

[inlinefour]

Anyway, simmer down you lot.

I think I'll go for a ride in the local park where they walk dogs...:nya:

[sels1]

And can almost guarantee you only got that reaction because you told him he couldn't do what he was doing, much like someone telling you not to take your dog there....

Probably true. And like Paul suggested, hands up the road riders who have never broken a road rule.........???

[DingDong]

I think I'll go for a ride in the local park where they walk dogs...:nya:

I recall getting red rep and being called a "PILLICK" because I said let the kids have fun on their mini-bikes riding up the foot path,(foot path and park are similar are they not?) , seems your opinion has changed somewhat...

As for the guy in the park... we've all done it (hell, I still do it) but alot of us do worse on the road

[crazyxr250rider]

Dammit Green reped Farlie instead of red.

[crazyxr250rider]

growing up, there was HEAPS of places to ride. But over the years, Joe public complained and whinged about it, at one stage even put nail traps down to get bikers. Now that I can afford the toys I want, there is NO WHERE to go. Does not matter what you do these days, or what you do. There allways will be at least one person who thinks its well in their right to complain about what your doing. If there was a place in New Plymouth that I could go, when Im not shift working then Id be stoked. But no such luck. As for walking your dog in a public park? How selfish, get out of his way as hes working on a lap record, didnt ya know?:gob: You never break the law? Go walk your mutt elsewhere:bash:

The stuff you could get away with when I was a kid was no particular big thing, just people have the need to blow it outta proportion these days. Blame the Government? Nope, blame yourselves... If I saw this, Id probably go and get the DRZ and give him a race :)All very true:laugh:

[kro]

It's the typical attitude of people willing to do shit like that. Possibly he had already fallen off earlier, and received brain damage.

[Cary]

Another dickhead giving motorcycles a bad name.

[Motu]

I live opposite a big park,there are no houses down one side of the street,it's just the park,and there are signs saying no motorcycles.On a fine day it's nice to see kids out there on mini bikes and quads,and bigger kids on bigger bikes,they blat around a bit fast sometimes,but it's fairly open they avoid people doing other activities ok.But it's always spoiled by some dickhead who takes the complete exhaust off his XR and goes up and down with a huge noise doing wheelies and churning the wetter patches up into mud pools.If everyone just kept it at a nice level I doubt if locals,council or cops would see any problems....but it always takes someone to push the limits of society.

I could go out there and rip it up with them.....but they don't need to know what I have in my shed.

[scumdog]

You didn't look at what I ride, did you Paul? All noise, little speed

Plus a road is a defined area, as opposed to a rolling park with trees etc.

Road? = anywhere a vehicle can be driven with access to a road (beach, farm track where there is no gate etc etc.

And had this guy cleaned up a kid would the rest of you be as supportive?.

Sure, he was having fun but he could have picked a better spot. (Any of you got a spare front lawn?)

[kels]

Road? = anywhere a vehicle can be driven with access to a road (beach, farm track where there is no gate etc etc.

And had this guy cleaned up a kid would the rest of you be as supportive?.

Sure, he was having fun but he could have picked a better spot. (Any of you got a spare front lawn?)
Fantastic post Scumdog. I agree, Green bling headed your way :clap:

[inlinefour]

Road? = anywhere a vehicle can be driven with access to a road (beach, farm track where there is no gate etc etc.

And had this guy cleaned up a kid would the rest of you be as supportive?.

Sure, he was having fun but he could have picked a better spot. (Any of you got a spare front lawn?)

No I don't like people misbehaving about kids. We have some boys racers down the road who insist on doing wheelies up and down our road. Mr Plodd apparently has been rung, but so far has done nothing. Went and had a chat with them, hopefully it'll change. But its more important how you come accross and what you say at the time. As for our lawns? I've tried but its not suitable, even for the z50. Might have to move one day to a place more suitable...:done:
Like I said before, I dont know what its like up there. But in NP there is no where I can go on my day off to ride my DRZ or similar. If there was a place for the motorcyclists to go and they was not going there I could understand.

[cheese]

I think if your on a little gutless Pit bike that is fine, you're just playing round and you're not as likely to take someone out, but as for a bigger bike (like an old farm hack) bad news, you're just going to piss people off, get all the rest of us a bad name and look like a fucking bell end when you start abusing people that inform you that this is not the ideal place to ride your POS. Even if you've just fixed your bike up and your testign it, it's not a good idea to rip around for ages in a public area.

It's all about just being a little bit considerate and sensible.

[Paul in NZ]

Probably true. And like Paul suggested, hands up the road riders who have never broken a road rule.........???

I should have been a bit more specific Selwyn.

I don't like what this guy was doing, really stupid! We are regulars walking Bo on the beach which is a designated dog exercise area and every now and then some nong jumps on a quad, bike, 4WD and has a burn up down the beach. Bloody stupid with over excited dogs running about the place!

However, what I was getting at is every day motorcyclists act like complete idiots on the road and terrorise motorists in an utterly outrageous fashion. Scooter riders as well in urban areas and we think thats OK.

What I was suggesting was to examine your feelings of outrage as you read the original post and think about how other road users must feel at times?

Paul N

[Oscar]

Getting a tad upset because someone disagrees with you? Funny how that occurs. Yea I red repped you, would do it again if I could but it won't let me. You speak of attitudes? You certianly don't lead by example. Moderate people like you, thats a funny one... Funny how they have places where you can take your dogs, horses whatever, except for bikes. Dunno about your area, but thats the way it is here. Finally, by all means do have an opinion, but dont spit the dummy because you find people who disagree with you. From reading your posts on the matter, I doubt if you was polite to the rider in mention. Maybe that had something to do with the reply you recieved? Yea perhaps the rider should not have been there, but then again, who actually decides who can be and what can happen...:ride: Go walk ya dog and calm down as your attitude aint any different. Thats my issue.:tugger: Feel free to red rep me, I dont actually mind :moon:

Jaysus, give the guy a break.

There is a good reason why dogs are catered for and bikes aren't - WE ARE A MINORITY.

What's more we are a minority with more than its fair share of morons with an attitude.

Everytime some idjut goes riding in a public park, people get pissed off. Not pissed off enough to say anything at the time, but pissed off enough to support legislation curbing our activities. Once upon a time we could all go riding in State Forests and on some Conservation Estates, but this is becoming rare. Why do you think this is happening?

[WRT]

I've ridden my bike thru the park out the back of our house. Just finished putting it back together, and needed a quick test. Not going to run it all the way out to woodhill just to see whether it works or not, so off I go. Kept the pace and the noise down, never hit power band, and kept well clear of all the people - I stuck to the ungroomed areas. I cant see any problem with that, but if someone was to come along and ask me to leave I would do so without getting abusive at them. Besides, I was doing a quick test, not fanging the crap out of it for ages on end.

Was I doing something wrong? Well, theres no sign saying "No Motorbikes", but I can accept that I wasnt using the park for its intended purpose. However, I didnt damage the park in any way, and made sure that I didnt annoy anyone while I was there. Still, there are always going to be people who will stretch the rules just a little too far . . .

[inlinefour]

Jaysus, give the guy a break.

There is a good reason why dogs are catered for and bikes aren't - WE ARE A MINORITY.

What's more we are a minority with more than its fair share of morons with an attitude.

Everytime some idjut goes riding in a public park, people get pissed off. Not pissed off enough to say anything at the time, but pissed off enough to support legislation curbing our activities. Once upon a time we could all go riding in State Forests and on some Conservation Estates, but this is becoming rare. Why do you think this is happening?

Majority rules, that simple. Yea sounds like whats happened down here also. If there was a specified place to ride the problem would be solved. But I reckon another group will get it first:tugger:

[chris]

What's more we are a minority with more than its fair share of morons with an attitude.
The voice of reason speaks...

[cheese]

I agree with you WRT, you said what I was trying to but clearer. Fuck i ramble.....

[MisterD]

Majority rules, that simple. Yea sounds like whats happened down here also. If there was a specified place to ride the problem would be solved. But I reckon another group will get it first:tugger:

:violin: :violin: :violin: Why don't you complain to the UN.:baby:

[inlinefour]

:violin: :violin: :violin: Why don't you complain to the UN.:baby:

What good will that do? :killingme

[MisterD]

What good will that do? :killingme

About as much good as bitching and moaning on here....

[inlinefour]

About as much good as bitching and moaning on here....

Exactly.....:weird:

[Flatcap]

Ohh Inlinefour

I see you pinged me with another red. Was your bottom lip sticking out while you did it?

But I tell you what - I got far more green feedback. It's good to see there are plenty of mature motorcyclists on KB

[crazyxr250rider]

Dammit Green reped Farlie instead of red.OH!! fixed that:2thumbsup

[Stevo]

Funny how we find it pretty offensive how guys on nasty dirt bikes ride stupidly in inappropriate places like public parks.

Not so funny when 'other' people find it offensive when we ride inappropriately on race track replica's in public places like... well the highway...

Just a thought!
Little kiddies and old Grannies don't walk down the highway tho do they Paul? If they are then I suspect they have prob escaped their care giver in any case.:weird:

[Stevo]

No I don't like people misbehaving about kids. We have some boys racers down the road who insist on doing wheelies up and down our road. .
I don't get this. Can you please explain the difference between tearing up and down the road, (that you don't approve of), and riding in a public park (which unbelievably you do approve of)? I simply don't understand.




Like I said before, I dont know what its like up there. But in NP there is no where I can go on my day off to ride my DRZ or similar.
Are you seriously trynna tell us all that with all the farmland, and all the forestry, that there is nowhere to ride??????:bs: Yeah right!
If ya want to ride regularly on your weekends join the local motorbike club. Then you could tear around as fast as you can handle.

[crazyxr250rider]

There is NOWHERE to ride ere not lucky like you guys youve got wood hill and river head and stuff we havent got any thing like that oh yeah and the club only holds scrambles and MX NO 'fun' days in the forest or on farms like you guys have.

[Stevo]

There is NOWHERE to ride ere not lucky like you guys youve got wood hill and river head and stuff we havent got any thing like that oh yeah and the club only holds scrambles and MX NO 'fun' days in the forest or on farms like you guys have.
What is Wood Hill and River Head?
Thought you wanted to go fast? Is Mx "NO fun cos you're not competitive?

[inlinefour]

I don't get this. Can you please explain the difference between tearing up and down the road, (that you don't approve of), and riding in a public park (which unbelievably you do approve of)? I simply don't understand.



Are you seriously trynna tell us all that with all the farmland, and all the forestry, that there is nowhere to ride??????:bs: Yeah right!
If ya want to ride regularly on your weekends join the local motorbike club. Then you could tear around as fast as you can handle.

I don't get weekends off and no, there is no where to ride here in ya spare time. I get invited to a few private tracks, but only accasionally...:argh: and there are enough public parks here to sink a battleship, only need one designated for riding...

[paturoa]

Dont ride in parks myself, there is too much dog shit that gets all over the bike.

[crazyxr250rider]

What is Wood Hill and River Head?
Thought you wanted to go fast? Is Mx "NO fun cos you're not competitive?
Mx is not fun because you just go round and round and round..........:brick:
oh and those are off road bike parks I mentioned........Duh???

[Stevo]

Mx is not fun because you just go round and round and round..........:brick:
oh and those are off road bike parks I mentioned........Duh???
You are such a homo.
If I had Woodhill and River Head available for use I'd know what they are. They are obviously closer to you than me!! Marlborough is nowhere near Auckland, if that's where Woodhill and River Head are????????

[crazyxr250rider]

Hey I thought you were in auckland
oh and if you've ever read Kiwi Rider you'd know what woodhill is.............
Homo.

[Jimmy]

Lucky you weren't around when I was a teenager - we rode our trail bikes on all of Aucklands volcano's,even Mt Eden and One Tree Hill...but Mt Richmond was our favortite.Go up there now and you'll still see the tracks we made leaping in and out of the kumara pits,hill climbs up the crater sides.Anti social was one of the requirments of being a motorcyclist.....you are all so PC now....
Motu - those were the days. Mt Richmond was my patch, starting out on the old Honda 100!!. In addition to the superb kumera pits that we launched ourselves from (not that I knew that's what they were then - you have enlightened me) I remember a particularly narrow sheep track around the crater that we rode. Would think twice about doing that now. It's those memories from the 70's that have got me back into dirt bikes. I also remember regularly getting chased out of the freezing works holding paddocks by Sylvia Park by some totally unreasonable farm manager!! and he never got us!!

[Motu]

Hey,we must of lived in the same area then! Yeah,we didn't know what they were,or their significance,although we did know they were kumara pits.We made lots of small tracks around the mountain,it was good soft loamy soil for good corners,lots of jumps for huge air (2ft) and hills to climb - did you ever get up the hill from the Sports Car Club? But no one went up there,we had the place to ourselves.

Yeah,we used to play in the holding paddocks too,and stroll across the motorway! Shit,4 lanes was a hell of a lot of road to run across in those days.The manager lived in that house by the motorway interchange - I know the family that originaly owned it well,the Sylvia Park Army Camp was built on their land...bet they wished they owned it now eh?

[Jimmy]

Yeah - I was an Otahuhu teenager! Can recall the sports car club but sure don't reckon I'd have made the hill climb - but would've tried no doubt. Really was a great little spot, and no hassle with whatever public was around then. We would just nick off out of sight for a while. I also recall the motocross at Mangere Mountain. No way would we ever get away with staging an event like that now - resource consents, land protection and political correctness being what they are.

[Motu]

We only got up the big climb a few times,it was a tall order for our bikes of the day and a recipie for disaster...it would still be a lot of work on my TLR200.

Motocross on Mangere Mountain - ah,them were the days,that's where we first saw those noisy 2 stroke things - the Bultaco's.I'm sure we had good manners back then - or our Mum's would box our ears!...or more likely the ''wooden spoon''.