Iraq hostages...dorks

[Krusti]

Can you believe those hostages freed in Iraq not thanking their rescuers? Are they too good or just too stupid? I don't care what their beliefs are those guys were willing to lay down their lives to rescue them, can't get much more christian than that!:oi-grr:

[jimbo600]

It's coz they're ungrateful peaceniks who loathe anything military. I reckon they'll go back and get their sorry arses kidnapped again too.

[SPORK]

FUCK?!! a

[Streetwise]

Yea its all a load of shit,

[kickingzebra]

Hmm, I can't imagine giving the big thanks speech when someone has just pulled you out of a place where they like eating their kitty cats with the fur attached, straight off the kebab stick (stir the pot)

But they should have in the post event media coverage!

For everything a there is a season, war, included, and that quote comes not (just) from Peter, Paul and Mary (for those old enough to remember cringworthy music whilst stoned) But from the pages of the Bible.

Some of the most memorable men in said book were warriors first.

The final object of war must be peace, and when it is achieved, the warriors/rescuers should be thanked!

[WINJA]

i was hoping they would be shot so the cant breed , fucken ungratefull morons ,they shouldnt have gone there in the first place and no on shoulda tried to rescue them

[Indiana_Jones]

What they said ^^^^

-Indy

[Timber020]

Those who were rescued know more about what went into the rescue than what we do, perhaps they have reason to object to the rescue or how it was done. Who knows?

[spudchucka]

Apparently they refused to co-operate with attempts to gather intelligence on their captors.

There was a woman on the news the other night praising the hostage takers for looking after them so well. I guess she forgot about the one they tortured and killed?

[Finn]

It was a balls up by the Iraq's. The hostage (the guy with the huge honker) was actually a terrorist himself. He is now on his way back to NZ. They should probably check his bags.

[Waylander]

How smart can you be to go to a region that houses extreamist that kill innocent peaple all over the world because of either a: the actions of thier countries government or b: the religion they believe in and try to convert them to a faith system they despise?

[SPman]

Dont really care anymore.......!

[Insanity_rules]

Yep there are some misguided people out there. If it were me I'd be praising my rescuers from the rooftops.

[Grahameeboy]

How smart can you be to go to a region that houses extreamist that kill innocent peaple all over the world because of either a: the actions of thier countries government or b: the religion they believe in and try to convert them to a faith system they despise?

I agree cause we all respect other religions and embracing God is a personal thing that you wake up to........

There are a lot of so called 'Christians' out there who like the attention....are they true believers or are they actually selfish cause 'reward' does not come from within..............

[jonbuoy]

Don't know why the security forces bothered risking their lives for those loosers. The least they could have done is give some inside information afterwards. If they really wanted to help and do some good over there they shoulda joined the red cross. Did they think christians were going to be welcomed in a holy war??

[Sniper]

Someone should have let of a ND (UD) in their direction....... :mad:

[Grahameeboy]

Someone should have let of a ND (UD) in their direction....... :mad:

Did you do what I did and watch the MotoGP only to see Rossi knocked off on the first bend at 2.30am.........and now feel like crap..........

[Lias]

I reckon the army should hand em back over.. fucking hippies

[Grahameeboy]

I reckon the army should hand em back over.. fucking hippies

but but my hair only grew long whilst I was captive................:whistle:

[Lou Girardin]

It doesn't soumd like there were any lives risked. The 'coalition of the willing' were tipped off where the hostages were, they were alone and the troops walked in and got them.
Sooden and co will probably head straight back there to do "God's work".
What gets me is the sheer arrogance of these bloody Christians to go into a Muslim country uninvited, to convert them to Christianity.
They're lucky they weren't shot on sight.

[SixPackBack]

It doesn't soumd like there were any lives risked. The 'coalition of the willing' were tipped off where the hostages were, they were alone and the troops walked in and got them.
Sooden and co will probably head straight back there to do "God's work".
What gets me is the sheer arrogance of these bloody Christians to go into a Muslim country uninvited, to convert them to Christianity.
They're lucky they weren't shot on sight.

Lou Christian's spreading the word in Muslim communities is a good example of Darwin at his finest:clap:
They should be encouraged, not chastised.

[spudchucka]

It doesn't soumd like there were any lives risked. The 'coalition of the willing' were tipped off where the hostages were, they were alone and the troops walked in and got them.
I have a couple of mates working over there and from what they have told me just being there is a risk. It does sound like it was a very easy operation in the end but do the rescuers know its going to be that easy when they embark on their mission? Not very likely. Pretty much every time they leave the safety of their compounds they are risking their lives.

[enigma51]

Its because they are wankers. I wonder if they know how worried there families was and how much it means to there families that they got rescued.

Nobody had to go and rescue them as there was no real reason for them to be there in the first place and when they do get rescued they are ungrateful I think they are just sensation seakers and I bet they when the militans had there guns against there heads they were praying big time for a rescue but know that they are rescued they are spinning a "media" story.

[MisterD]

What gets me is the sheer arrogance of these bloody Christians to go into a Muslim country uninvited, to convert them to Christianity.


Iraq might be a muslim country, but there is a minority christian population there too....

[Swoop]

The terrorists probably left them alone in a room by themselves because they were stinkier than the terrorists...

Spoke with a good mate who is playing up that way... He recons it's a bit like disneyland with guns and having a great time up there! RPG's left, right and center. Live pop-up targets, and, gentlemen, choose your weapons. Armories full of goodies to play with.:woohoo:
Plus he's getting paid a shitload of wedge as well...

[idb]

Did they ask to be rescued?

[kickingzebra]

What gets me is the sheer arrogance of these bloody Christians to go into a Muslim country uninvited, to convert them to Christianity.
They're lucky they weren't shot on sight.

The funny thing is Extremeist Muslims have absolutely no problem doing that to the rest of the world. If you were beginning to think that if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone, you are sorely wrong.

As a collective, we have a very short history, the crusaders were white faces, bringing rape and pillage etc to muslim people, and in turn they did the same back. in the 1100s.

They are working there way into "western" society, and though I must say I have no real problem with the average muslim, the average muslim is exactly the same as the average christian. Too uncaring and apathetic to actually research or live what they purport to believe in.

The Extremist Muslims are winning their way into our countries, and it is a devastatingly simple plan for the downfall of the west.

(rolling out the conspiracy theories now)

- Oil is controlled predominantly by Muslims. The price goes up, we pay it, complain, and carry on. They build huge fortunes. What do they finance with said fortunes? Figure it out...

- Settled Extremeists in normal western countries - The man works for minimum wage, while the wife is having her 7th child.

- Our generous welfare states look after, and pay the bills for these people, so that when the youth grow up, and realise there isn't an equal opportunity for raving psychobabblers, they start building bombs... And there are plenty of them, plus to die in that manner is considered a Great Honour.

- Said welfare state is economically drained by the people that contribute the least, who are busy reproducing, until they outnumber the contributors in that society. Sharia Law instituted by common democratic process, it just takes a few more generations before they get us there.

-The lucky bastards still alive when this democratic reform happens then are lucky enough to have the option, tow the line, or Die. They don't give a crap if you are a christian, or a sheep shagger, or a hindu or what. There are two people in the world to the extremist Muslim. Followers of Islam, and those that soon will be.

-Anyone that speaks against Islam in any fashion, will provoke cries for Fatwah, death to infidels etc.

By contrast, the tenets our society is built on are freedom of speech, and the absolute right to do damn near anything you want as long as it doesn't infringe on most other peoples rights. (Christian haters will love this!)

It is only in a Christian society that you can criticise whoever the hell you like, because if you do it in an animist society, or Islamic society, or any other society in the world, they just Kill you and your family. Atheism followed to its extensive logic will also promote the same result.

Here (ie in any democratic Western paradise) you are lauded for speaking your view just as and when you wish.

By the way, Under Sharia Law, they kill you for sex outside of marriage, your women is only occasionally allowed to even do the shopping by herself, you cannot see the face of any woman not in your immediate family, and I suspect the punishment for slightly exceeding the speed limit on one wheel while passing would be more akin with death, than a severe talking to.

Yeah, the Damn stupid christians should have fessed up all they knew, because in this war there is going to be one winner, and one loser. The easy 900 year peace between Islam, and all that is not, is done.

I have borrowed concepts, but all you need to do is look on the net, or read CS Lewis, or any apologetics book, and heck, read any book you like about Islam, its all in there, covered by various degrees of fluffy language.

[WRT]

Did they ask to be rescued?

Thats a pretty naff comment isnt it? Maybe I havent been following this closely enough, but when was the last time that a hostage taker allowed their hostage to ask to be rescued? They might let them ask for their government to conceed to their captives demands, but their not going to be allowed to say "Oh, by the way, we're at such and such address, could you swing by and pick me up when you've got a free mo?"

Its generally a given that if you have been taken against your will (which is what a kidnapping is), then you want to be released. It'd be a fairly safe bet that the families of those that got kidnapped were asking for the rescue of their loved ones.

If you dont want to be rescued, I'm sure the kidnappers are more than happy for you to record a message saying "Please dont attempt to come and get me", but I doubt their gonna let you ask for armed soldiers to storm their position.

If you were kidnapped, would you want some one to come for you? Or should we just wait until we get a message from you specifically asking for it?

[Hitcher]

A classic case of Stockholm Syndrome. Don't read too much into it.

[WRT]

Hitcher - agreed, fully.

[Lou Girardin]

Iraq might be a muslim country, but there is a minority christian population there too....

But they're not there to convert them. Just the heathens.

Strangely enough kickingzebra, I have yet to see Muslims going door to door in my neighbourhood. In fact, proselytising seems to be a very christian thing to do. Your neighbourhood may be different.
They might even have religeous turf wars in Mt Roskill for all I know.

[idb]

Its generally a given that if you have been taken against your will (which is what a kidnapping is), then you want to be released.
Hmmmm.............
Assumption is the Mother Of All F*ckups.

Apparently the older Pommy bloke had earlier stated that if he was taken hostage he didn't want to be rescued in an armed intervention....why assume that he had changed his mind?

Why assume that the others wanted to be resued - they may have been getting on famously and the captors ready to convert to Christianism.

Thats a pretty naff comment isnt it? Maybe I havent been following this closely enough, but when was the last time that a hostage taker allowed their hostage to ask to be rescued?

Most times - the wording might not be as you put it but the implication is usually there..........ahhhhhh you see - there's that assumption problem again!




If you were kidnapped, would you want some one to come for you? Or should we just wait until we get a message from you specifically asking for it?

I, however, will state here and now that if I get taken by Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists I would quite like to be rescued please.

[idb]

Someone should have let of a ND (UD) in their direction....... :mad:
Or a WMD!!!!!
(I wasn't intending to be so emphatic but had to add exclamation marks to reach the minimum letter count)

[WRT]

Apparently the older Pommy bloke had earlier stated that if he was taken hostage he didn't want to be rescued in an armed intervention....why assume that he had changed his mind?

Well, then rescue all bar the Pommy bloke. Leave him there - in fact, if he didnt want to be rescued - why'd he go with the soldiers? If he was so damned happy there, why didnt he stay?

And assumption is a nasty thing, but what can you do? Just leave everyone that needs to be rescued behind? Lets just leave all kidnappee's with their captors, in fact, lets just extend that out to all others as well. Fishermen that havent returned, trampers that go missing, planes that disappear off the radar - they havent asked for help, why go looking for them?

[idb]

Well, then rescue all bar the Pommy bloke. Leave him there - in fact, if he didnt want to be rescued - why'd he go with the soldiers? If he was so damned happy there, why didnt he stay?

And assumption is a nasty thing, but what can you do? Just leave everyone that needs to be rescued behind? Lets just leave all kidnappee's with their captors, in fact, lets just extend that out to all others as well. Fishermen that havent returned, trampers that go missing, planes that disappear off the radar - they havent asked for help, why go looking for them?
Hmmm.........you make some interesting points WRT!

Maybe the Pommy bloke had no choice. I've seen those telly programmes where the soldiers storm in, grab the victims around the arms and storm out again to safety - no time for arguments. I know how it works.

As for your other examples, it's a conundrum alright.
Shouldn't people have the right to disappear if they want to?
And again you've said "....everyone that needs to be rescued...", how do you know?
I just worry in this enlightened age that we might be running the risk of trampling on peoples rights to disappear or fraternise with their kidnappers if they want to.
A kidnapper could turn out to be simply a friend that you would never have met otherwise!

[Krusti]

Yeah my wife kidnapped me 20 years ago, when am I gonna be rescued?

[Skyryder]

Didn't we all bitch and moan when 9-11 was going on. Now that some guys, for reasons that we do not understand, want to go over and try and stop the killing................and guess what. We still bitch and moan.


Skyryder

[kickingzebra]

But they're not there to convert them. Just the heathens.

Strangely enough kickingzebra, I have yet to see Muslims going door to door in my neighbourhood. In fact, proselytising seems to be a very christian thing to do. Your neighbourhood may be different.
They might even have religeous turf wars in Mt Roskill for all I know.

I built a medical centre in Mt Roskill, we used to walk through an alleyway to go to the bakery for smoko, until a shop owner kindly informed us that it was a contested lot in the local wars. Someone had been shot there the week before. To death I believe, though I can't prove it. (had to try and translate the vietnamese, but they had some good bacon and egg pies!)

They don't need to proselytise, they are simply biding their time. You don't actually have any choice in the matter as far as they are concerned.

Live or die is the premise.
Why would you present people with your version of the facts, and wait to be brushed off, or argued with, when you can simply suck their countriers welfare system dry, and then force them over to your point of view by democratic election.

This has happened, and I quote a number of smaller Asian countries, (some not so small too) and any number of Russian dependancies.

Afghanistan is one we all know of where this has happened. Malaysia wasn't predominantly muslim at the beginning of last century.

Religion is the opiate of the masses, and we, as well to do people, aren't included in the masses, because more than 50% of the worlds population are currently having difficulty finding enough food to eat tomorrow.

NZ is not the ideal recruiting ground, because we can afford to think, and don't respond so well to mindless inciting.

I cite as an example The recent (and indeed enduring, on a smaller scale) Islamic French Riots. Young educated people (something like 80% of the graduates of Islamic universities have degrees in Islamic studies) who are unemployable, become easily embittered, and are easily stirred up, living in their self imposed Ghettoes.

In this environment, where the youth are discriminated against (Yes I'll employ you young man, what can you do? Well, I can expound on the reason we face Mecca umpteen times a day, and have written a 14 thousand word thesis on this topic. Right, you'll fit in perfectly at this Halal McDonalds!!)

Inciting them to Crazy acts is not hard.

Proselytising is a Christian thing, because, if done as I believe Jesus would have done it, there is no guilt tripping, the requirements are slim. The onus is on the person who has had the gospel explained, not on the proselytiser to score one more convert.

Therefore the proselytee is left with the facts, and makes their own decision in their own time. I would question the intelligence of a christian, running their own scorecard of converts.

I may yet be surprised, but I will state it is a safe bet, that Islam is out to get you. If not you personally, then your children, or your childrens children. They have time. They have young people. We don't. They have the advantage.

Its a war...:ar15: :ar15: :ar15:

But the Mind is mightier than the gun

:hitcher:

[Skyryder]

But they're not there to convert them. Just the heathens.

Strangely enough kickingzebra, I have yet to see Muslims going door to door in my neighbourhood. In fact, proselytising seems to be a very christian thing to do. Your neighbourhood may be different.
They might even have religeous turf wars in Mt Roskill for all I know.

Be gratefull Lou that they don't come door to door because when they do, history records they have a sword in their hand. For those interested,

A HISTORY OF MEDIEVAL ISLAM by J J Saunders.


Skyryder

[enigma51]

hmmmmm we might have been warped by the media boys and girls apparently he did say thanks.

[WINJA]

Be gratefull Lou that they don't come door to door because when they do, history records they have a sword in their hand.
WHAT FUCKWIT BRINGS A SWORD TO A GUN FIGHT

[spudchucka]

Apparently the older Pommy bloke had earlier stated that if he was taken hostage he didn't want to be rescued in an armed intervention....why assume that he had changed his mind?
I wonder why he didn't just hand himself back over to the original hostage takers? Perhaps he prefers the current hostage takers, (Rescuers) to the old ones? Maybe he hasn't yet realised that he's been freed? Perhaps when he does realise he will return to Iraq to be taken hostage once more, god forbid he doesn't get to finish what he started?

[Timber020]

From what I heard, they had all given instructions not to be rescued (although there support groups didnt exactly tell the forces to keep out of it) and they had thanked the forces.

Love that media!

[MisterD]

Why would you present people with your version of the facts, and wait to be brushed off, or argued with, when you can simply suck their countriers welfare system dry, and then force them over to your point of view by democratic election.

This has happened, and I quote a number of smaller Asian countries, (some not so small too) and any number of Russian dependancies.


It's happening as we speak in Bradford....

[SARGE]

from being on the 'other' end..i have kicked a few doors in during my stint myself.. even if the ungrateful shits never say thanks .. thier loved ones do... thats really the key..


and i never did it for praise or thanks ,... it was my job..

[Lou Girardin]

Well, at my age I'm glad I only have to worry about Mormons.

[SARGE]

Well, at my age I'm glad I only have to worry about Mormons.


and your prostate.. Alziemers.. orderlies at the retirement home, eh old fella?

[kickingzebra]

Well, at my age I'm glad I only have to worry about Mormons.

Good stuff... Could I sell you on some secret agenda there? :devil2:

:rofl: :rofl:

Enough debate, there is drinking to be done!!:apint: :apint: :apint:

[Lou Girardin]

and your prostate.. Alziemers.. orderlies at the retirement home, eh old fella?

Nothing wrong with the prostate, the alzheimers is OK too Darryl.

[Hitcher]

What about the "Mad Cow", like what Denny Crane has?