BIKE RIDER MAGAZINE Vs KIWIRIDER

[ratusratus]

WHO IS :first: AND WHO COMES IN:second:
For me BRM gives more insight into what i like .roads and rides etc:ride: so they are :first: !!!!!!
now just to get Nash to work for them and Big Daves photos!!

[bugjuice]

Bike Rider is a UK mag, isn't it?
I like their mags, but I hate the fact of all the ads for lots of UK stuff we don't get here. Bike stuff is good, but I prefer to read and see what bikes kiwis can get, and what they're like on our roads..

end of the day, you can never get enough info on stuff, so they're both good, but the closer to home, the better the mag.. Plus KR has a few awesome ads this month round..

unless I have the wrong mag in mind..

[Firefight]

Bike Rider is a UK mag, isn't it?


unless I have the wrong mag in mind..

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

remember the one Jimmy was on the front page of ?


F/F

[bugjuice]

:doh:
didn't see it, so no. I'll shut up then. But that's still a point.. :o

[Motu]

Only ever bought it once,no dirt stuff at all,a bit too narrow focused for me...I'll stick to Kiwi Rider.

[Firefight]

try this mate

www.brm.co.nz


F/F

[Big Dave]

WHO IS :first: AND WHO COMES IN:second:
For me BRM gives more insight into what i like .roads and rides etc:ride: so they are :first: !!!!!!
now just to get Nash to work for them and Big Daves photos!!


I used to like you, Bruce.

[Cajun]

Personally i like BRM, its looks more professional. glossy pages, and in turn i am not paying $$$ for half a magaizne i do not read.

Kiwirider i found good 5-6 years ago, but started getting as many ads as it did storys, which i didn't like. They still do have good write ups, but i found there is often alot of crap to get thru before you get to that god part.

BRM are a small crowd, we have been adverising in there magainze since the early editions, we know Glenn and rest of boys/girls. But saying that we get a free copy since we put ads in them.

[bugjuice]

try this mate

www.brm.co.nz


F/F
thanx :o

[Big Dave]

I have no probs with Glen at BRM - we're friendly, but considering how much Kiwi Rider magazine resources I share with this site - I reckon it's a pretty unjust thread anyway.

but say what you's like - I won't be back in this one.
I'm cool. out.

[Fishy]

Never bought bike rider mag before and I don't really buy Kiwi Rider that often. Motorcycle trader is just as good if not better. Think I'll stick to Superbike and Rapid though.

[ratusratus]

Buy Kiwi Rider!!!!:2thumbsup
but i only read half of it!!

[imdying]

I have no probs with Glen at BRM - we're friendly, but considering how much Kiwi Rider magazine resources I share with this site - I reckon it's a pretty unjust thread anyway.

but say what you's like - I won't be back in this one.
I'm cool. out.You're not a writer for said mag are ya?!

[Matt Bleck]

Neither one floats my boat, I would rather read/spend money on Two Wheels or Rapid.

[Hitcher]

They're different. Get over it. Embrace diversity and buy both.

[merv]

I subscribe to Kiwi Rider and have never bought BRM and I guess I'll stay that way. I'm a road and dirt guy so like both in my mag.

[babyB]

hmm iv had BRM since their first released.....
but to compare the two well i aint going there...
i choose between 2 - 3 mags & like them all for different reasons, articals at the time (sometimes just for the center-fold)

[Paul in NZ]

Neither one has in depth articles on maintaining girder front ends or adds for useful riding clobber like PVC macs, flat caps and goggles. I wrote a letter extolling the virtues of hand shifting as well but neither printed it!

bah! Probably communists the both of them!

[Oscar]

The only copy of BRM I ever saw had a test that compared a R1150GS to a ZX750. Initially I figured that such a stupid combination must have been an elaborate piss-take, but no, they were straight up.

Bunch of amateurs...

[Motu]

They're different. Get over it. Embrace diversity and buy both.

But Kiwi Rider already has diversity.

[What?]

The two are hard to compare, having quite different approaches.
Me, I like 'em both, and subscribe to both. I also get Two Wheels every month, which is different again. The variety is good - I would hate to see either mag disappear.

[Toast]

I only buy Pommy mags...well, now only the Superbike digital version, 'cos I'm tight, and it's good.

[megageoff76]

I only buy Pommy mags...well, now only the Superbike digital version, 'cos I'm tight, and it's good.

Yep, me too..I reckon the NZ mags are pretty lame and wouldn't waste my money one any of them.

Gimme a Performance Bikes or Superbike anyday.

[Ixion]

Neither one has in depth articles on maintaining girder front ends or adds for useful riding clobber like PVC macs, flat caps and goggles. I wrote a letter extolling the virtues of hand shifting as well but neither printed it!

bah! Probably communists the both of them!

Now, goggles, that would be good. I'm still trying to find a pair of Mk VIIIs at a reasonable price.

Hand shifting, I never could get the hang of it. How do you overcome the throttle closing problem ? I tried with a twist grip, and with a throttle lever, but never felt comfortable with either. I suppose a throttle lock is one answer, but I never liked those too much either.

I have some articles about maintaining girder forks somewhere, the main thing (other than making sure they are straight in all dimensions, and not twisted - easily overlooked, that last one ) is to line ream the bushes. Modern Oilite bushes give much better results I under stand than the originals, but be sure to soak them in oil for 48 hours before fitting.

EDIT: There y'go Messrs Chris and Dave, couple of good ideas for articles there.

[Bonez]

Don't buy either. But read both. They're ok.

[Hitcher]

But Kiwi Rider already has diversity.
One can never have too much diversity.

[Storm]

Im with the general here, take what you want from each thing. Hells bells, you can even choose to read the bits you want in the supermarket and then put the mag back on the shelf

[Jantar]

I suscribe to BRM, and occasionally buy KR. BRM concentrates on road riding, and that is my focus these days. KR has both dirt and road articles, but in my opinion has less value for money in that it tries to do too much.

[Youngjim]

I subscribe to and enjoy reading both of them.
The only comment I have about Kiwi Rider is that I prefered it when Bike Trader was a separate magazine and not bound in like it is now.

[Harry33]

I haven't read either but I like...motorcycle Trader and Heavy duty(oz cruiser/harley/chopper) mag. I only have so much money to spend on magazines and most mags are over $10, so until I get deeper pockets or the magazines drop their prices I doubt I'll be buying anymore than that.

[Paul in NZ]

Now, goggles, that would be good. I'm still trying to find a pair of Mk VIIIs at a reasonable price.

Hand shifting, I never could get the hang of it. How do you overcome the throttle closing problem ? I tried with a twist grip, and with a throttle lever, but never felt comfortable with either. I suppose a throttle lock is one answer, but I never liked those too much either.

I have some articles about maintaining girder forks somewhere, the main thing (other than making sure they are straight in all dimensions, and not twisted - easily overlooked, that last one ) is to line ream the bushes. Modern Oilite bushes give much better results I under stand than the originals, but be sure to soak them in oil for 48 hours before fitting.

EDIT: There y'go Messrs Chris and Dave, couple of good ideas for articles there.

I still have my old MkVIII's but the safety glass is delaminating and the elastic has gone. Plus I wear glasses now so... sigh! These guys have a good range but still expensive for what they are. http://www.ace-cafe-london.com/dis.htm

We used to use old welding goggles (one piece plasticy things) with interchangeable lenses - cheap like $5 or summat.

Hand shifting is a real knack and something I have not done for years and years. Twist grip bikes are OK but the old throttle lever / manual advance / retard I found a bit of a challenge. Especially if you also had to remember to give the engine a squirt of oil every now and then from the hand pump! I never liked foot clutches though! Bloody stupid idea!

Cheers

[inlinefour]

I susbscribe to Kiwirider. You say theere are other decient magazines? News to me...:killingme

[Pixie]

The writing in BRM is weirdly amateurish, They subscript the titles of articles with fake dictionary entries,
e.g.motor scooter n. a light motor cycle....wtf?

They can drop the custom bike crap too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

They're different. Get over it. Embrace diversity and buy both.


YFY

I buy whatever is interesting, though I have subscribed to Cycle World and before that Cycle since 1982. I really like Performance Bikes (UK) and classic motorcycle mechanics (UK) and Classic Bike (UK). I buy the occasional Two Wheels and Motorcycle Trader or Kiwi Biker depending on whether the cover grabs me or not. I also have picked up a couple of oddball ones over the past year: an issue of backstreet heroes (if Im honest because one of the tits out models was hot) and a TWO and a Fast Bikes.

motorbike magazines are cool.

[pritch]

You're not a writer for said mag are ya?!


Umm he definitely works for them, he keeps us informed, and he publishes interesting pics. Generally he makes a positive contribution to KB.
If, so far, this has escaped your attention, you could use the facility available to check the content of his posts.

I have bought BRM in the past when I see it, and I know Glen personally, but generally I prefer the Brit mags: Bike, or Two Wheels Only. Buying both of those each month is a tad expensive though.

BRM and Kiwi Rider are aimed at different readers. I would have thought BRM was aimed at an older audience...

[HenryDorsetCase]

just talking about subscription prices, PB by subscription worked out at about $13.50 an issue, and the newsstand price was about $14, so I didnt think it was worth it. Cycle World last time I renewed was down to about $7 kiwi an issue and arrives two months before it hits the newstand here, at $15 an issue. Its cheap enough that even if the mag was crap you wouldnt care, but it has some brilliant writing in it: Kevin Cameron, Peter Egan etc rule.

THey are a diverse mag as well: road, dirt, touring, technical. I look forward to it every month, oh yes.

[imdying]

Umm he definitely works for them, he keeps us informed, and he publishes interesting pics. Generally he makes a positive contribution to KB.
If, so far, this has escaped your attention, you could use the facility available to check the content of his posts.Just a piss take at his grammar matey :)

[terbang]

The Kiwi mags are cool so are the Aussie ones. I'm an ad hoc buyer and often get the Pommie Performance Bikes which I get a huge laugh out of as well as its a bit dodgey..

[Oscar]

just talking about subscription prices, PB by subscription worked out at about $13.50 an issue, and the newsstand price was about $14, so I didnt think it was worth it. Cycle World last time I renewed was down to about $7 kiwi an issue and arrives two months before it hits the newstand here, at $15 an issue. Its cheap enough that even if the mag was crap you wouldnt care, but it has some brilliant writing in it: Kevin Cameron, Peter Egan etc rule.

THey are a diverse mag as well: road, dirt, touring, technical. I look forward to it every month, oh yes.


I subscribe to Cycle World, it works out waaaay cheaper.
Kevin Cameron is God.

[RnB Fan]

KiwiRider is the one I buy - the rest I just peruse at my leisure in Whitcoulls (or other such places) in my lunch break.

[cowpoos]

ummm.....I dunno....why do u care what others really preffer if your only gunna disagree with them...

but I used to buy both...and only buy KR now...and most of the uk mags FB,PB,SB etc

[scroter]

well I reckon most of those fellas and fellesses at kiwi rider arnt that clued up, plus $10 isnt a bit steep its bloody robbery.

[Ixion]

I usually buy a KiwiRider when I go to Australia. Cos it gives me something to read on the plane. And as I go about once a month, it sort of works.

But today there were NO KR at any of the three book shops at the airport ! Wot gvz wiv dat ?

(Well, I tell a lie. On my second round of searching, I thought I'd found them in one shop - 3 or 4 of them right up on a top shelf. Until I pulled 'em down. All of them, January 2006. Wot gvz wiv DAT ?).

So i had to buy a NZ Bike Rider instead. QUite good but a bit too much of the old crusty stuff , and the section on Hogs and choppers doesn't do anything for me personally (No offense to them, but just not my thing). So I guess the Hog & Chopper section in BRM balances out the dirt section in KR. But KR has the bikes for sale thing in it, so that puts it ahead. If I could get it . Meh.

[Toast]

just talking about subscription prices, PB by subscription worked out at about $13.50 an issue, and the newsstand price was about $14, so I didnt think it was worth it. Cycle World last time I renewed was down to about $7 kiwi an issue and arrives two months before it hits the newstand here, at $15 an issue. Its cheap enough that even if the mag was crap you wouldnt care, but it has some brilliant writing in it: Kevin Cameron, Peter Egan etc rule.

THey are a diverse mag as well: road, dirt, touring, technical. I look forward to it every month, oh yes.

If you want value for money: Superbike digital works out at about $3 or $4 per issue...and you don't have to wait...I just got the May issue today. Probably a good 3 months before NZ will get the hard one in the news stands.

[Edbear]

Guess I'm just a bike freak and like reading about bikes. I've every copy of BRM from no.1 and usually, (well okay, always), buy KR as well as most other mags if I see an article of particular interest. My wife says I spend way too much on mags but then she buys shoes and clothes and stuff for the Grandson and the fish tank and I don't really care. At our age I figure just do pretty much what you want if you can afford it and enjoy living. There's good and not so good in all the mags, I take them as they come. :drinkup

[WINJA]

nz magazines suck , i like amcn they test moto gp bikes and interview important people they also do group tests like all the 600s or all the 1000s and give good feedback and data on the bikes .
the worst mag is nz motorcycle trader and news with that old retard recee who poses on the latest bike he cant ride for shit he just sits on them with a look on his face like he just shit his pants, i also noted that they copied articles from amcn from the previous month some of it word for word.

[Edbear]

, i also noted that they copied articles from amcn from the previous month some of it word for word.

Actually they most likely buy articles from freelance journalists as many magazines do these days, including AMCN, so you'll find the same articles in several bike mags around the world.:psst:

[WINJA]

Actually they most likely buy articles from freelance journalists as many magazines do these days, including AMCN, so you'll find the same articles in several bike mags around the world.:psst:
THATS STILL NO FUCKEN GOOD TO ME CAUSE IVE BOUGHT THE SAME ARTICLE 1 MONTH PRIOR IN THE AUSSIE MAGAZINE.
I THINK THERE BOTH OWNED BY ACP WHICH IS A MULTI MAGAZINE FACTORY TURNING OUT UTTER SHIT

[igor]

The only copy of BRM I ever saw had a test that compared a R1150GS to a ZX750. Initially I figured that such a stupid combination must have been an elaborate piss-take, but no, they were straight up.

Bunch of amateurs...

i only buy kiwirider but i wish they would use someone that knows where the "spellcheque functoin iz'

it has also got better since that guy stew hamiltoe got arsed for upsetting to many plonkers :shake:

[Cookie]

[...] nz motorcycle trader and news with that old retard recee [...]

Refreshing candour as always WINJA. :laugh:

I just read Rhys Jones' book "Taking to the Road" and he seems to have loads of knowledge and contacts from way back in NZ motorcycling. I enjoyed his book anyways.

About the magazines:

I buy Motorcycle Trader for the bike adverts so I don't care if the rest is articles about cat breeding. Anything interesting is a bonus for me in that one.

I like BRM (especially the last issue with the VTX reviews, chopper articles and sprotsbike reviews by guys who probably get aches in the same places I do) and I like Kiwi Rider but am less into dirt bikes right now.

I mostly want some light reading with a bit of humor here and there and some nice pictures (although I tell my wife I only buy them for the articles). :innocent:

[Oscar]

i only buy kiwirider but i wish they would use someone that knows where the "spellcheque functoin iz'

it has also got better since that guy stew hamiltoe got arsed for upsetting to many plonkers :shake:


Spoke too soon.
He's got two articles in the next issue...

[Beemer]

i only buy kiwirider but i wish they would use someone that knows where the "spellcheque functoin iz'

it has also got better since that guy stew hamiltoe got arsed for upsetting to many plonkers :shake:

Christ, you think KR is bad for spelling? Have you ever read - sorry, make that 'tried to read' - a copy of BRM? The appalling spelling, grammar and countless other mistakes in EVERY article irritated the living shit out of me so much I gave up reading it a long time ago. In one article they had three versions of a guy's name (and a fourth in the photo caption - which was attached to the WRONG photo, of course) - talk about having a bet each way!

I wrote a letter to them once, pointing out some of the mistakes I found in that issue. I gave up counting after about 20 pages because I'd found more than 50 mistakes - and some were as unforgiveable as the wrong spelling of a bike make! I didn't expect them to print the letter, but I didn't even get a response so that was when I stopped buying it. Every time I bought it I hoped it would have improved but it never did. Yes, glossy pages are pretty, but there is too much focus on posing and cruising - something I think should be reserved for kerb crawlers.

KR may not be perfect but at least it's got something in each issue that is worth reading (okay, not Nash's column!) - and besides, we've got every issue since it started, we can't stop now!

[DEATH_INC.]

BRM has cool trackdays at taupo...cheap too.