Crossings 'No overtaking lines'....whoops

[Grahameeboy]

Well you know how it is, just came off the passing lane on SH1....the traffic ahead was slow so I just let my speed carry me past.....there was space to keep on my side but yesterday was a little blowy old chap so crossed those yellow thingies to keep away from cars.

Pulled back in, and I dunno, a few minutes later hear and see a red unmarked cop car...."Oh Dear" I said to myself.....so I pulled over.

Seems he was after another guy ahead of me who had undertaken at some silly speed and told me that if I had not stopped he would not have been bothered...........seems that in chasing the other guy he saw me.

Anyway, really nice guy....said I was not riding dangerously, only did me for one of the 2 times I did the yellow thingies, had a chat with me and Jules, shook hands and off we went........

No points just a $150 fine.....cool.

He confirmed that they check out the forum and did say that some members talk some shit and that there had been a few motorbikes accidents in the area recently.

Anyway, I don't care about the ticket....had a great ride starting in the rain....and well just shows that not all cops are !@#$ers.....Gixxer, Lou and Winja

[SimJen]

You still got a fine though......

[James Deuce]

Oh for goodness sake SimJen, Graham broke the law and unlike a big chunk of the crybabies on kiwibiker, he took his medicine AND managed to see the good in the bloke writing the ticket.

[Colapop]

You've been quiet lately KYBoy.... You got other things to occupy your time now? :love:

Make sure you stay on the right side of law - you naughty boy!

[Ixion]

Oh for goodness sake SimJen, Graham broke the law and unlike a big chunk of the crybabies on kiwibiker, he took his medicine AND managed to see the good in the bloke writing the ticket.

Well, seems the cop admitted that Mr Grahameeboy's law breaking was not dangerous. And that he (the cop) did not even intend to stop him(Mr Grahameeboy).

But, in order to ticket Mr Grahameeboy he (the cop) abandoned a pursuit of another vehicle which had also broken the law,and that in an apparently most dangerous fashion ("undertaking at a silly speed").

So the cop preferred to dish out a ticket for admittedly non-dangerous law breaking rather than pursue dangerous law breaking.

Yep, good guy. Grab the easy quota, eh.

EDIT: I would once have been more censorious of crossing yellow lines. But since the insane yellow line maniac has started painting them on every bit of road he can find, regardless of whether or not they are needed or appropriate , I have come to regard crossing them in the same light as a parking ticket. It means nothing, if you get caught it's just part of the tax cost of running a vehicle.

[SimJen]

Yes he broke the law but....If he hadn't immediately pulled over he wouldn't have got the ticket. Perhaps next time he won't.
Why would the cop say he wouldn't have bothered but still gave a ticket anyway?
I wouldn't call that a nice guy. If he was nice, he would have let him off with a warning :)
Mind you he could of walked around the bike and given you tickets for other stuff if he was a wanker.
Moral of the story: Don't stop, or easier still don't cross the line :)

[sAsLEX]

EDIT: I would once have been more censorious of crossing yellow lines. But since the insane yellow line maniac has started painting them on every bit of road he can find, regardless of whether or not they are needed or appropriate , I have come to regard crossing them in the same light as a parking ticket. It means nothing, if you get caught it's just part of the tax cost of running a vehicle.


SH2? and some others are ridiculous

[ZeroIndex]

Oh for goodness sake SimJen, Graham broke the law and unlike a big chunk of the crybabies on kiwibiker, he took his medicine AND managed to see the good in the bloke writing the ticket.
exactly... Graham: have some green rep for setting a good example :)

[ManDownUnder]

Bugger re the ticket but the attitude's a goodun' :niceone:

Yeah, the cops are just doing a job, and most of 'em are pretty good. There's a few dickheads of course (as with any groups) but we all know it (including the cops)

MDU

[Grahameeboy]

Well, seems the cop admitted that Mr Grahameeboy's law breaking was not dangerous. And that he (the cop) did not even intend to stop him(Mr Grahameeboy).

But, in order to ticket Mr Grahameeboy he (the cop) abandoned a pursuit of another vehicle which had also broken the law,and that in an apparently most dangerous fashion ("undertaking at a silly speed").

So the cop preferred to dish out a ticket for admittedly non-dangerous law breaking rather than pursue dangerous law breaking.

Yep, good guy. Grab the easy quota, eh.

EDIT: I would once have been more censorious of crossing yellow lines. But since the insane yellow line maniac has started painting them on every bit of road he can find, regardless of whether or not they are needed or appropriate , I have come to regard crossing them in the same light as a parking ticket. It means nothing, if you get caught it's just part of the tax cost of running a vehicle.

No he got the other guy too........he got the book thrown at him........we both pulled over and at the time I was not sure so stopped...........cop was just being nice.....you know PR stuff...............I was just in the wrong place at wrong time.......

I only crossed the lines cause it was very windy...I could have kept right side but had Jules on back and didn't want to get too close to cars......$150 is a small price to pay.....

[Grahameeboy]

Bugger re the ticket but the attitude's a goodun' :niceone:

Yeah, the cops are just doing a job, and most of 'em are pretty good. There's a few dickheads of course (as with any groups) but we all know it (including the cops)

MDU

Yep...where we stopped there was a bend with yellows and the cop explained that there had been a few bike accidents there dues to crossing the yellows.

Like your new Avator buddy...cool......

[Grahameeboy]

Yes he broke the law but....If he hadn't immediately pulled over he wouldn't have got the ticket. Perhaps next time he won't.
Why would the cop say he wouldn't have bothered but still gave a ticket anyway?
I wouldn't call that a nice guy. If he was nice, he would have let him off with a warning :)
Mind you he could of walked around the bike and given you tickets for other stuff if he was a wanker.
Moral of the story: Don't stop, or easier still don't cross the line :)

Oh please get off that negative cloud..............you need a cleansing day.....

[Grahameeboy]

You've been quiet lately KYBoy.... You got other things to occupy your time now? :love:

Make sure you stay on the right side of law - you naughty boy!

Yep......he has a motorbike................:spudwave:

[SimJen]

Im not on a "negative cloud" as you so beautifully put it :puke:
and WTF is a cleansing day? sounds like shit to me.
Cops giving tickets for something they say they wouldn't have usually bothered for, is still a pain in the ass.
If you have trouble in the wind, then perhaps you shouldn't have been overtaking anyway. What if the wind blew you into an oncoming car/truck hugging the centreline? Then you'd be the one on the "Negative Cloud" :crybaby:

[SwanTiger]

Grahame, I think that you did the right thing by pulling over in that situation.

I'm interested to know more about the police checking this website though.

[bugjuice]

on the contrary, I've seen dashed white lines in places that I'd never even consider overtaking on the bike, let alone a car etc..

good on ya GB for seeing the brighter side of the fact that they're just doing their job..

I saw an unmarked corolla on saturday on SH1 and I'd never have really picked up on it from a distance. What may have been a bit sneaky, was that he was doing 120 with everyone else on the empty road. May be he was going somewhere and had something to do already, or waiting for someone to break free..?? Anyway, it could be almost any car that's an unmarked one now. And I'd never think to run (I'm too chicken), but I couldn't help but think that wee little corolla better have something non-standard under the hood if they're to keep up with V8s and WRXs/Evos etc.. let alone a bike.. but they have one thing that outruns everything - radios..




Hello Mr Nice Policeman.. :spudwave:

[Grahameeboy]

Im not on a "negative cloud" as you so beautifully put it :puke:

Okay, taken away

and WTF is a cleansing day? sounds like shit to me.

In simple terms 'Coolness'......my Avator will give you a clue but Fair enough if you think it sounds like shit....but you are missing out

Cops giving tickets for something they say they wouldn't have usually bothered for,

is still a pain in the ass.

No pains in my arse

If you have trouble in the wind, then perhaps you shouldn't have been overtaking anyway.

Mmmmm....mmm.....there were no cars coming the other way which is why I did it otherwise I would not have overtaken........

What if the wind blew you into an oncoming car/truck hugging the centreline? Then you'd be the one on the "Negative Cloud" :crybaby:......................................... ..

[Grahameeboy]

Grahame, I think that you did the right thing by pulling over in that situation.

I'm interested to know more about the police checking this website though.

I am too honest plus if I did get too many points, I would have no trubs getting a 'Day Licence' so no point putting myself at risk and trying to get away.

I do not have a problem with the cops browsing forum. If guys put up stupid stuff then that is their look out and I know I will get bad rep but I really believe that the Cops have the best interests and hey, a big site like ours is gonna attract attention, just like the fact we ride bikes....

[Squeak the Rat]

I do not have a problem with the cops browsing forum. If guys put up stupid stuff then that is their look out and I know I will get bad rep but I really believe that the Cops have the best interests and hey, a big site like ours is gonna attract attention, just like the fact we ride bikes....

Lets just hope that they are sensible enough to be able to identify and ignore the extremist views, bravado etc. I'm [pleasantly] surprised he admitted it.

[pritch]

I'm interested to know more about the police checking this website though.

There are a lot of people check this website while they are at work. Including me right now:-)

[Grahameeboy]

on the contrary, I've seen dashed white lines in places that I'd never even consider overtaking on the bike, let alone a car etc..

good on ya GB for seeing the brighter side of the fact that they're just doing their job..

I saw an unmarked corolla on saturday on SH1 and I'd never have really picked up on it from a distance. What may have been a bit sneaky, was that he was doing 120 with everyone else on the empty road. May be he was going somewhere and had something to do already, or waiting for someone to break free..?? Anyway, it could be almost any car that's an unmarked one now. And I'd never think to run (I'm too chicken), but I couldn't help but think that wee little corolla better have something non-standard under the hood if they're to keep up with V8s and WRXs/Evos etc.. let alone a bike.. but they have one thing that outruns everything - radios..


Hello Mr Nice Policeman.. :spudwave:

Yeah BJ......I am the same.....it was just the way it was yesterday.....just carrying speed from passing lane, line of cars in front going slower, no one coming otherway.....just made the decision.......I had Jules on back so was not in 'take no prisoner Yeah BJ......not that I ride that way anyway......life eh..................

[SimJen]

Noone mentioned doing a runner....
If perhaps you hadn't pulled over then the car hopefully would have and you would have possibly got away with it.
If the cops take an interest in the forums thats a good thing. At least then they may see where a lot of guys are coming from :) and if they're aware of us it may at some point help our cause.

[SwanTiger]

I do not have a problem with the cops browsing forum. If guys put up stupid stuff then that is their look out and I know I will get bad rep but I really believe that the Cops have the best interests and hey, a big site like ours is gonna attract attention, just like the fact we ride bikes....

You do have a fair point there and in some aspects I agree with it.

However, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that the Police are watching these forums with the intent of gathering evidence or information on "illegal activities". In one way or another, as motorcyclist we break laws more often than a Cager would due to a raft of variables.

To really enjoy motorcycles, it is "normal" for laws to be broken.

Now, I've heard on a few occasions where Kiwi Bikers have been stopped and identified for one reason or another as members of Kiwi Biker. The Police are starting to show more interest, so does that mean it will be impossible to accurately organise decent rides without convertly doing it through Private Messaging?

[Grahameeboy]

Noone mentioned doing a runner....
If perhaps you hadn't pulled over then the car hopefully would have and you would have possibly got away with it.
If the cops take an interest in the forums thats a good thing. At least then they may see where a lot of guys are coming from :) and if they're aware of us it may at some point help our cause.

Mmmmm....the car did pull over.........

[Grahameeboy]

You do have a fair point there and in some aspects I agree with it.

However, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that the Police are watching these forums with the intent of gathering evidence or information on "illegal activities". In one way or another, as motorcyclist we break laws more often than a Cager would due to a raft of variables.

To really enjoy motorcycles, it is "normal" for laws to be broken.

Now, I've heard on a few occasions where Kiwi Bikers have been stopped and identified for one reason or another as members of Kiwi Biker. The Police are starting to show more interest, so does that mean it will be impossible to accurately organise decent rides without convertly doing it through Private Messaging?

I guess that this site has grown a lot so interest is just in line with that.............so nothing really alarming....if you see what I mean.....

[chickenfunkstar]

Are sure that there's no demerit points? I've got a ticket before which didn't have any demerit points written on the ticket itself but when I was sent a reminder notice there were demerit points.

Seems you can even get demerit points for attempting to pass where no passing lines are marked. Hmmm...

[buellbabe]

Must admit I regard alot of yelo lines as being there for cars, if I can pass safely I will (emphasis on SAFELY). And if there is plenty of road on the other side I will cross the line and use it to get past asap rather than blast by within a whisker of the car... Saw a driver just about lose it last time I was up north as 3 of us went past at warp speed... (well maybe not warp but ya get the idea?)... I guess I have been lucky so far re:getting ticketed. Anyways when I am out for a blat I tend to avoid the main roads and my buddy has a radar detector...and it works ;-)

[Grahameeboy]

Are sure that there's no demerit points? I've got a ticket before which didn't have any demerit points written on the ticket itself but when I was sent a reminder notice there were demerit points.

Seems you can even get demerit points for attempting to pass where no passing lines are marked. Hmmm...

I asked him.......................oh well, I am on 70 so still safe and one runs out next month.....

[Grahameeboy]

Must admit I regard alot of yelo lines as being there for cars, if I can pass safely I will (emphasis on SAFELY). And if there is plenty of road on the other side I will cross the line and use it to get past asap rather than blast by within a whisker of the car... Saw a driver just about lose it last time I was up north as 3 of us went past at warp speed... (well maybe not warp but ya get the idea?)... I guess I have been lucky so far re:getting ticketed. Anyways when I am out for a blat I tend to avoid the main roads and my buddy has a radar detector...and it works ;-)

I only went down SH1 cause we came up SH16 and there was a lot of new seal plus weather was iffy...........my detector, if I had one, may not have picked him up cause it had just taken a reading of the other geezer and he had a hand held laser.

It was safe honest......straight stretch and no cars and I had a pillion.....I was only doing about 110kph.

Stay safe BB

[chickenfunkstar]

I asked him.......................oh well, I am on 70 so still safe and one runs out next month.....

I don't want to get you unduely worried or anything but you could be in a bit of bother.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line1.html

[Squeak the Rat]

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line1.html

WTF???? From the website:

Passing or attempting to pass where no passing lines are marked = 35 demerit points

It's illegal to pass unless there are passing lanes? Am I misreading this???? :crazy:

[chickenfunkstar]

Lines not Lanes

[Grahameeboy]

I don't want to get you unduely worried or anything but you could be in a bit of bother.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line1.html

I had a witness who heard him say no points.......I tld him I was on 70 and he said 'well you do not have to worry".

My offence was not described as "Passing or attempting to pass where no passing lines are marked".......seems a bit ambiguous as mine was "crossing no overtaking line"....so I could pass but not by crossing lines.....

That link says that only some offences and all speeding get points so sounds like I got one of the others not listed for points.

Any Officer's want to comment.

In any event still not worried as I would get an automatic day licence as I have a disabled Daughter.

[svs]

keep an eye on the points situation. I was told that too for the same offence, but got points anyway.

tried to contest the points, saying that I was told it was 'only' a fine, and the cops should know the consequences of what they are handing out. No such luck. I was politely informed that crossing yellow lines == fine + points and if I took it to court I'd be stuffed anyway.

[Grahameeboy]

keep an eye on the points situation. I was told that too for the same offence, but got points anyway.

tried to contest the points, saying that I was told it was 'only' a fine, and the cops should know the consequences of what they are handing out. No such luck. I was politely informed that crossing yellow lines == fine + points and if I took it to court I'd be stuffed anyway.

Oh well....see my last post.......

[kevie]

OMG are those yellow lines for no passing !?!?!?! .... one wouldnt think so .... I thought they were to make the roads look pretty ... after all ... in my 20 metre rig Ive been passed 18 times on them and 6 times on blind corners.
Seriously tho ....I NEVER pass on the yellow lines, one never knows which car watching is a mufty .. or what driver may hate bikers and *555 me... and also ... its not a good image for the biking fraternity to be seen blatantly breaking the law.

[Grahameeboy]

OMG are those yellow lines for no passing !?!?!?! .... one wouldnt think so .... I thought they were to make the roads look pretty ... after all ... in my 20 metre rig Ive been passed 18 times on them and 6 times on blind corners.
Seriously tho ....I NEVER pass on the yellow lines, one never knows which car watching is a mufty .. or what driver may hate bikers and *555 me... and also ... its not a good image for the biking fraternity to be seen blatantly breaking the law.

I know......I only went out cause of windy weather..............ah well that's life I guess

[madboy]

Graham, last time I got busted for failing to stop I was specifically told by the sargeant who arrested me while we were doing a deal on what I should get charged with (even I admit not all cops smoke pole) that there were no points attached to it. Which was good news for me since I'd only had my license back two weeks. But alas, it did have points attached, as I found out later when I checked my driving history to get car insurance. A day license? Still costs money no matter the reason for it. That could be an expensive passing maneouvre. But I agree with you for not running. Personally I might have kept going a little longer, but I wouldn't have run - not 2up in high winds.

BJ - can't outrun the radio? Oh please!

[Toast]

So the cop preferred to dish out a ticket for admittedly non-dangerous law breaking rather than pursue dangerous law breaking.


Exactly...admitting it's not dangerous and then ticketing him anyway. I'm sure the cop wasn't an asshole...but clearly not intelligent enough to know how to do a good job...the right job.

[Ixion]

WTF???? From the website:

Passing or attempting to pass where no passing lines are marked = 35 demerit points

It's illegal to pass unless there are passing lanes? Am I misreading this???? :crazy:

you are misreading it. vague thing , Engklesh.
It means Passing .. where there are "NO-PASSING-LINES" marked on the road (ie , there were lines, you tried to pass).

[Squeak the Rat]

you are misreading it. vague thing , Engklesh.
It means Passing .. where there are "NO-PASSING-LINES" marked on the road (ie , there were lines, you tried to pass).

............ME
Ooops, :stupid: I'll put those contracts that I'm signing aside for the day methinks.....

[Grahameeboy]

Graham, last time I got busted for failing to stop I was specifically told by the sargeant who arrested me while we were doing a deal on what I should get charged with (even I admit not all cops smoke pole) that there were no points attached to it. Which was good news for me since I'd only had my license back two weeks. But alas, it did have points attached, as I found out later when I checked my driving history to get car insurance. A day license? Still costs money no matter the reason for it. That could be an expensive passing maneouvre. But I agree with you for not running. Personally I might have kept going a little longer, but I wouldn't have run - not 2up in high winds.

BJ - can't outrun the radio? Oh please!

At the end of the day what will be will be and I ain't gonna cry over it in 10 years time.....or come to think about it, 2 years time.

I guess it is a bit naughty of cop to not tell me when I asked but doesn't change things...do you think having a witness will make any difference?

I know a Lawyer at Church plus you can do it via CAB etc and get forms so should be sweet.

[Ixion]

No he got the other guy too........he got the book thrown at him........we both pulled over and at the time I was not sure so stopped...........cop was just being nice.....you know PR stuff...............I was just in the wrong place at wrong time.......
..

Ah, the case is altered quoth Plowden. I will apologise to the cop. (still a bit mean, he might have waved you on, but still) .

Always been in two minds about that m'self. Oh oh flashing lights! Is it me he wants ?. Stop , and he may decide to pick you up along the way, as he did you ; not stop and he gets mad.

I generally compromise by pulling to the left (and indicating) and slowing down, well under the limit but still going at a reasonable pace. Hopefully if he is after someone else, he thinks I am just moving over to let him past, and tootles off. If it is me he has decided to annoy, he pulls in behind me, flashing and hooting, and I stop.

[Ixion]

on the contrary, I've seen dashed white lines in places that I'd never even consider overtaking on the bike, let alone a car etc..
..


But that is the default.

The original purpose of the yellow lines was to warn motorists - "You might easily think this is a safe place to pass. But , beware, you are deceived, it is more dangerous than it appears."

It was never intended to classify every metre of road as "pass/don't pass here - "pass here. Don't pass there. OK here, not there. No not there , that bit's OK".

The yellow lines SHOULD be reserved for stretches where an ordinary motorist, exercising reasonable caution and judgement, might be expected to think that overtaking was safe; when in fact there is some not readily perceived hazard about the road that makes it more dangerous than it seems.

The rest of the roads should (and always were) left as white dashes, meaning "Be careful. Overtaking is always dangerous. But, there are no hidden traps or treachery here, to make it unexpectedly dangerous. You must exercise normal caution judgement and vigilance, and make your own decision"

How can some bureaucrat (who like as not hasnever seen the road!) decide that people should overtake *here*.

[Lou Girardin]

I asked him.......................oh well, I am on 70 so still safe and one runs out next month.....

70 demerits!
Are you a slow learner or summat?

[Grahameeboy]

70 demerits!
Are you a slow learner or summat?

life is a journey....not to be rushed not to be slowed.........

[Patrick]

Bummer about the ticket...could have made it look good by "talking" to ya while ticketing the other fella. I guess "contacts" don't count any more like they used to up there and it is all "quotas" everywhere now.

I would doubt there is anything you can do about the cops comment about no demerits, coz not everyone knows everything about all the rules and laws and penalties on the side of the road.

But, as you have 28 days to pay, don't. You will get a "reminder" notice for another 28 days...by then your earlier points will have fallen by the way? And then comes the final reminder notice, I believe, for yet another 28 days???... Will be long gone ancient history by then?:drinknsin

[Pixie]

exactly... Graham: have some green rep for setting a good example :)
of being a sucker

[Pixie]

Graham, last time I got busted for failing to stop I was specifically told by the sargeant who arrested me while we were doing a deal on what I should get charged with (even I admit not all cops smoke pole) that there were no points attached to it. Which was good news for me since I'd only had my license back two weeks. But alas, it did have points attached, as I found out later when I checked my driving history to get car insurance. A day license? Still costs money no matter the reason for it. That could be an expensive passing maneouvre. But I agree with you for not running. Personally I might have kept going a little longer, but I wouldn't have run - not 2up in high winds.

BJ - can't outrun the radio? Oh please!
The cop has to write on the ticket:"he's a good boy and I said he doesn't have to have points for this offence.I'll give his points to the next tax payer I audit"
Signed
Orrifcer Plod

[Grahameeboy]

of being a sucker

I really don't care.......:blah:

[madboy]

Got to agree with you Grahame, I used to get all bitter and twisted over traffic offences. Now I don't give a rats ass. I mean, I'll do my best NOT to get the ticket, but if I get busted, I get busted, if I don't, bonus. Either way, raised blood pressure and crying over spilt milk doesn't alter the outcome - you still end up with the ticket!

Patrick, I think you might find your timing a bit off there. I thought it was reasonably well documented here (and through my own experience) that demerits apply from the date of offence, even though they may physically not be applied to your "tab" until they are paid.

[buellbabe]

I thought it was reasonably well documented here (and through my own experience) that demerits apply from the date of offence, even though they may physically not be applied to your "tab" until they are paid.
Thanks for that info cos thats something I have been wondering about. After having a clean licence for yrs I got 35 demerits Easter last yr but was pretty slow in paying... So going by what you reckon I am clean again this Easter??? YEE HA!
:innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

Got to agree with you Grahame, I used to get all bitter and twisted over traffic offences. Now I don't give a rats ass. I mean, I'll do my best NOT to get the ticket, but if I get busted, I get busted, if I don't, bonus. Either way, raised blood pressure and crying over spilt milk doesn't alter the outcome - you still end up with the ticket!

Patrick, I think you might find your timing a bit off there. I thought it was reasonably well documented here (and through my own experience) that demerits apply from the date of offence, even though they may physically not be applied to your "tab" until they are paid.

I may have to call the Police and ask them about the demerit points and 3 monther as I need to get my day licence if I am gonna get points......I guess the Cop should know about points as I asked him and Jules witnessed him say that............I even told him I was on 70... and he said "You'll be alright then"......Jules said last night...."he didn't seem the kind of guy who would say otherwise"......ah well at least, I think, I will be clean after 3 months......and fitter.

Lucky I live in Devonport and get the ferry to work and Jules is okay about it......phew

[Patrick]

Got to agree with you Grahame, I used to get all bitter and twisted over traffic offences. Now I don't give a rats ass. I mean, I'll do my best NOT to get the ticket, but if I get busted, I get busted, if I don't, bonus. Either way, raised blood pressure and crying over spilt milk doesn't alter the outcome - you still end up with the ticket!

Patrick, I think you might find your timing a bit off there. I thought it was reasonably well documented here (and through my own experience) that demerits apply from the date of offence, even though they may physically not be applied to your "tab" until they are paid.

You may be right there... I am no snake expert...but, I "think" (oooohhh... that hurt...) that by delaying the payment, the points due to expire will be gone and the new ones will be added to the new current running total... apologies if I am wrong, but what do I know...

[Patrick]

I may have to call the Police and ask them about the demerit points and 3 monther as I need to get my day licence if I am gonna get points......I guess the Cop should know about points as I asked him and Jules witnessed him say that............I even told him I was on 70... and he said "You'll be alright then"......Jules said last night...."he didn't seem the kind of guy who would say otherwise"......ah well at least, I think, I will be clean after 3 months......and fitter.



Write in and dispute it pointing out the coppers error...buys a little more time and watch those "due to expire" points disappear into cyberspace.. And ya never know, maybe they might make the ticket also disappear under the circumstances?

[Grahameeboy]

Write in and dispute it pointing out the coppers error...buys a little more time and watch those "due to expire" points disappear into cyberspace.. And ya never know, maybe they might make the ticket also disappear under the circumstances?

Dyno50 is also looking into it for me when he goes to work tomorrow...at the end of day I am cool as I can get a day licence but it is still a fag........and my Mum will do her pieces at me despite being in UK......
Guess I cannot defend until I know whether I wll get points for sure....

Cheers all....