888 back on the road-what I found

[idb]

Those of you that I met up with on the way to the Glenorchy rally this year will remember my erratic riding from Cromwell that I put down to bike problems - well it was true.

To re-cap, the bike would cut out if the revs dropped down below about 4000.
This only started happening after I had stripped all the bodywork off and washed it within an inch of its life, and also changed the fuel filter - red herrings as it has turned out.

Reading up on it, chatting on Ducati fora (sorry Hitcher) and, indeed, thinking about it I came to the conclusion that it was likely to be one of the bike's sensors that was breaking down.
There are, from memory, seven or nine sensors for air pressure, air temperature, crankshaft phase angle etc.

But then it later on developed a further fault where the battery ran flat while I was test riding it and left me stranded half way along the Devil's Staircase without a cellphone pushing a 200kg bike in leathers on a 25 degree day.

So I then decided to check the battery.
I checked the charging rate and found that it was only charging at about 12.5 volts.
I took the battery in to be checked but it was OK so I next decided to check the connectors over on the bike.

Apparently it is a known problem on these bikes that the wire gauge is too small and, combined with only having a single phase alternator (meaning a higher current), connectors can burn up.
I found a group of about 6 bullet connectors emerging from the regulator/rectifier unit that were showing signs of overheating so I cut them off and soldered the wires straight through.
I haven't checked the charging rate again but I took the bike for a 400km ride on Sunday and it went perfectly.

In fact, it has obviously been a developing problem since I bought the bike as whenever I went touring on it I found that after four or five days it would not have enough charge in the battery to start on the button.

So luckily it appears that the problem wasn't as big as I feared.

Why was it cutting out?
Well apparently, if the voltage falls too low the computer goes on holiday and everything shuts down.
My theory on why it was tied to the revs is that the alternator was able to supply enough voltage to run the bike but not enough to charge the battery because of the high resistance joint in the wiring.
As soon as the regulator cut the charge off to the battery when the revs dropped the battery did not have enough charge to maintain the load of the lights and ignition etc and it all stopped.

Yay, let the demerits begin again!

[kickingzebra]

Glad shes going again for you. 888s are all good (its the number of god according to the book of revelation) do you think the solder will last the distance though?

[idb]

Glad shes going again for you. 888s are all good (its the number of god according to the book of revelation) do you think the solder will last the distance though?
I didn't know that it was a holy number. I'm glad I didn't blaspheme too much at it.
The solder should be better than the connectors - if I've done it right that is!

[kickingzebra]

Time will tell!! Good on you man!

[miSTa]

Those of you that I met up with on the way to the Glenorchy rally this year will remember my erratic riding from Cromwell that I put down to bike problems - well it was true.

Erratic? That's a little mild, try crazy bordering on lunatic! :rofl:

Good to hear you got it sorted. :clap:

[XTC]

I've been considering a Ducati 851 or 888 as I think they are a beautiful machine and easier to find than an RC30. What are they like as a road bike?

[idb]

I've been considering a Ducati 851 or 888 as I think they are a beautiful machine and easier to find than an RC30. What are they like as a road bike?
They're not up to modern bike standards. I found that last year when on a ride on which I was left well behind by modern machinery.
Mine is the last of the 888s at 1994 so there is 12 years of technology between then and now but that's not why I bought it, like you I suspect.

They're not too uncomfortable on a trip. I've taken mine around the South Island twice and rode it home from Hamilton in two days.
Things do start to ache, mainly bum and right forearm, after 3/4 hour or so but it isn't too bad.

They are pretty sensitive to setup if you want to get around corners and aren't particularly quick steering but are as stable as when you are cranked over in a corner.
There isn't a steering damper but if you hit a bump at speed it just gives a wee shake and carries on no dramas.

I like it. It looks good in my opinion and goes well enough for me - except when I'm riding with those other buggers.
I bought it with 32,000 on the clock so unfortunately it is at the stage of needing some general maintenance but I can deal with most things myself.

[XTC]

Thanks for that. I too am able to do all the work on my own bikes so owning an older european is not that daunting..... On saying that I do want to ride the bike sometimes not work on it all the time. From what you and others have said the 851/888 might be a good choice. I would keep the XT for commuting and Adventure duties. Last big road bike I owned was a VFR750, never had to touch that.

[Sniper]

Good on ya idb. Nothing like a good bit of Kiwi inginuity :niceone:

[idb]

Thanks for that. I too am able to do all the work on my own bikes so owning an older european is not that daunting..... On saying that I do want to ride the bike sometimes not work on it all the time. From what you and others have said the 851/888 might be a good choice. I would keep the XT for commuting and Adventure duties. Last big road bike I owned was a VFR750, never had to touch that.
Reading up on it before buying, it was either Mick Walker or Ian Falloon that said that the last of the 888s was the most fully sorted of them.
My personal view is that the facelift model (1993-94) is the better looking of them.
Also, the first of them known as the Tricolore is pretty dire and to be avoided.

[idb]

Good on ya idb. Nothing like a good bit of Kiwi inginuity :niceone:
Thanks, a bit muddly but I think I got there in the end.
Fingers crossed anyway - in fact I'm probably taking a risk being so optimistic in writing.

[Virago]

I didn't know that it was a holy number. I'm glad I didn't blaspheme too much at it......
I seem to remember a few "carefully selected" words over lunch at The Post Office - perhaps you were overheard by the Ducati Gods.....:laugh:

Glad to hear it's finally solved. Good luck avoiding the demerits!:ride:

[idb]

Well........I think I need a whole forum to the Ducati adventures in the confines of my garage.

Except for the Brass Monkey, I hadn't been on the 888 at all over winter.
I noticed that the battery was running low over that weekend so it seemed that all of my problems weren't over.

I went for a ride to Dunedin a couple of weekends ago.
The bike cut out briefly on the way there but started up again before I rolled to a stop.
Then it stopped completely on the Motorway into Dunedin and I had to get a salvage from Otago Honda.

I left it in the shop overnight on a charger and had to re-assemble the thing on the shop floor while they were open for business the next morning.

I thought a bit about it overnight and remembered reading about how these bikes have a habit of frying their rectifier/regulator units so they can't re-charge the battery. I figured that was probably the problem and the shop guys suggested that as well.

I thought that, with a re-charged battery I would be able to get home OK.

But, the next day, it still wouldn't start!!

It turned over but wouldn't fire so I had to take it to bits again and start fiddling with the obvious stuff...checking fuses, relays, connectors etc.
I noticed that the fuel pump wasn't running when I turned the key. You can hear it pressurising as soon as you turn the ignition on normally.

Still nothing so, with no schematic on me I was reduced to forlornly wriggling and pushing and pulling stuff as you do when you really have no idea.

Finally, I disconnected and re-connected the fuel pump connector under the tank and voila!!!!

Away I went after ordering a new after-market rectifier/regulator unit from Otago Honda.

I fitted the new unit a couple of nights ago and put the voltmeter on it.
It is charging!!!!

I took a quick strop up to Glenorchy after work and home again and it seems perfect so we'll see.

So, it seems that I had several faults turn up at the same time.
I still gaven't fully sorted the connector under the tank yet but at least I know what it is now and I'll work through one issue at a time.

[Motu]

Sounds exactly like the problem I had with the XLV750 in 2000 - I went through 3 alt stators.First stator I replaced showed 13,5 volts charge,not a lot but hey,it's a motorcycle eh? It was enough to cover lights and starting,no problem.Next time it failed one CDI charging coil went out,and the alt looked really hot,the resin was discoloured from when I put it in.Then I went off on a tangent wondering why my oil temp was 120 deg in the left case,and 85 deg on the right case.The next stator showed 13.5v too,so all normal,but it soon failed to...overheated again.

It was the regulator making the alt pump out maximim output,but was dumping to earth,only one coil giving charge.Sometimes it takes a while to pick up on the obvious....

[sAsLEX]

I went through 3 alt stators.

Did you try rewinding any yourself!? And for fun use the wrong wire the first time?!

[Motu]

When the second one went it was just the CDI windings on one coil,and my original one had had the CDI coils changed separatly....I considered just changing CDI coils,but as you kinow it's pretty invasive surgery.I wouldn't of considered it back then....and I wouldn't consider it now either!!!

[jahrasti]

[QUOTE=idb;794178]Well........I think I need a whole forum to the Ducati adventures in the confines of my garage.

I hear you. My 851 has a funny connector to the pump and when it kicks over it won't fire.

[miSTa]

Glad to hear you've got it sorted matey (maybe, almost, well see) :niceone:

You could've picked a better road than the Glenorchy one surely? Yeah, alright, I'm a touch jealous.

(PS: I'll get to your PM in the morning)

[slowpoke]

Good on you idb.
I know it doesn't really help and it's an old cliche but ruling out something it's NOT puts you that much closer to finding out what it IS.
Stick with the 888. I didn't have those sorts of problems with my warmed over 916 but it was still a grumpy old bitch. Like the 888 it wasn't the latest and greatest but on the right road, on a nice day, it was a sweet ride.

[scumdog]

Erratic? That's a little mild, try crazy bordering on lunatic! :rofl:

Good to hear you got it sorted. :clap:

Meh, when I saw it I just thought that's normally how all Ducatis went:dodge:

Good on ya for sorting it idb, sheesh, you must have more patience than I thought!

[miSTa]

Wow, I posted that on the 4th April 2006, nearly seven months ago...

[ninjac]

Man, I had a bike book with the 888 in it. I read it every night and dreamed about getting one. You say it is 1994. Is it a biposto? Does it have the white number plates on rear sides? Does it have the Superbike sticker on fairing sides? Is it an SP4 or SP5?
I'm a nosey bugger can you tell!!

[idb]

Man, I had a bike book with the 888 in it. I read it every night and dreamed about getting one. You say it is 1994. Is it a biposto? Does it have the white number plates on rear sides? Does it have the Superbike sticker on fairing sides? Is it an SP4 or SP5?
I'm a nosey bugger can you tell!!

It's a Strada which is the 888 equivalent of a BiPosto.
It doesn't have the white number stickers on the side, that was the SP which was the cooking model and was only single seat.
It does have the Superbike stickers.

Anyway, update time.
After the test ride to Glenorchy I put it away in the garage ready for a ride in the weekend.
Half a day off on Friday and off I went feeling confident that all my problems were behind me.
It seemed to start OK whenever I asked it to so the battery seemed to be re-charging indicating the rectifier/regulator unit was just what was needed.
It has noticeably more power too so I assumed it now has a decent spark.

Charging along nicely until I got just short of the Clyde dam and that was it...nothing....it just stopped.

Hmmm.........no fuel pump when I turn the ignition.
Oh well, a pain in the arse but I know what it is now...so I lift the tank, disconnect the connector and plug it back together, turn the key...and nothing.
OK, no problem, I'll do it again.
Disconnect the connector, plug it back together, turn the key....annnnnnd nothing.

Soooooooooo....disconnecttheconnectorwrigglethecon nectorturnthekeydisconnecttheconnectorwrigglethewi resturnthekeywriggletheconnectordisconnecttheconne ctorwriggletheconnectorturnthekey.......f**k!

Hmmmm...start the roadside dismantle.
Relays are working in the tail and I can hear the solenoid opening the valve in the tank....I didn't know there was a solenoid operated valve in there but that's OK.
Trace the wiring as much as I can on the side of the road and there must a faulty connection to the fuel pump somewhere in amongst the main bird's nest around the headstock, not much chance of getting at it there where I am.

So what to do now?
The only thing I can............disconnecttheconnectorwrigglethecon nectorturnthekeydisconnecttheconnectorwrigglethewi resturnthekeywriggletheconnectordisconnecttheconne ctorwriggletheconnectorturnthekey.......f**k!

Start preparing for more dismantling when a fellow pulls up in a van and offers a hand.
His van is set up for bikes because he races bikes - 250GP class apparently.

He offers to take me wherever I want so I ask to go to a bike shop in Alexandra.
He says he works at the dam, I ask if he knows Jantar, he does, I ask if he's on KB and he is....it's K14 (queue heroic coming-to-the-rescue type music)!!

He kindly ran me around until I got a temporary bike for the weekend at Davidson Honda (Bruce Davidson is a bloody good bloke....give him all your money!).
Thanks a lot Curt!!!

Anyway, I've still got to get the loan bike back and pick up mine but I'm looking forward because the positive side of it all is that I'm sure I've narrowed the last of a string of faults down.
I don't know exactly what it is until I get in there but at last I know where to look.







I do all my own maintenance doncha know!

[k14]

Start preparing for more dismantling when a fellow pulls up in a van and offers a hand.
His van is set up for bikes because he races bikes - 250GP class apparently.

He offers to take me wherever I want so I ask to go to a bike shop in Alexandra.
He says he works at the dam, I ask if he knows Jantar, he does, I ask if he's on KB and he is....it's K14 (queue heroic coming-to-the-rescue type music)!!

He kindly ran me around until I got a temporary bike for the weekend at Davidson Honda (Bruce Davidson is a bloody good bloke....give him all your money!).
Thanks a lot Curt!!!

Haha, yeah no problem, very happy to help out a stranded fellow biker.

For the record its 125GP.

Glad to see you got to dunedin in the end.

P.S. Did you manage to get that shag you were going there for?

[idb]

Haha, yeah no problem, very happy to help out a stranded fellow biker.

For the record its 125GP.

Glad to see you got to dunedin in the end.

P.S. Did you manage to get that shag you were going there for?

No particular shag - just any would have done...and no.
Really a weekend of let-downs wasn't it?

Sorry about the 125/250 mistake...I was building you up a bit for the purposes of the story!

[k14]

No particular shag - just any would have done...and no.
Really a weekend of let-downs wasn't it?

Sorry about the 125/250 mistake...I was building you up a bit for the purposes of the story!
Nah nah, no worries. Just glad i could help. Atleast you didn't have to ride a harley all the way there and back. Hope you get the 888 sorted easily.

[miSTa]

What a bugger! Well, it is Italian and it is old....

[ninjac]

Atleast you didn't have to ride a harley all the way there and back. :lol::lol: I'd take a sick Ducati over a Harley any day.

[scumdog]

:lol::lol: I'd take a sick Ducati over a Harley any day.


Hmm, I'll bear that in mind the next time I pass idb and his Duke at the side of the road!







Seriously, keep us posted on how your problem tracking and fixing goes eh idb???

[oldrider]

I was traveling through to Queenstown by car on Friday (last) at about midday and was held up at Nevis Bluff area (for bloody ages) in along line of waiting traffic.

Suddenly the obstruction was cleared enough for vehicles coming from Queenstown Arrowtown direction to proceed and a familiar looking red bike came out of the line of traffic, very quickly when all of a sudden the bike almost did a front wheel stand and crept quietly up the road at 30km as posted.

An HP car was two back from us!

I reckon that the bike was a certain idb of KB fame! Giving it a little bit of stick to go on with he was too. Well for a little while anyway!

I tried to attract his attention but he was too focused on the vehicle two cars back at that time and frankly I think he was very, very, lucky, not to get pinged!!

Well done that man I thought to myself, wondering if it really was our own idb? Was it you Ian? If so well spotted that man, home safe. :yes: Cheers John.

[sAsLEX]

For the record its 125GP.


no other mistakes in there Curt?

[idb]

I was traveling through to Queenstown by car on Friday (last) at about midday and was held up at Nevis Bluff area (for bloody ages) in along line of waiting traffic.

Suddenly the obstruction was cleared enough for vehicles coming from Queenstown Arrowtown direction to proceed and a familiar looking red bike came out of the line of traffic, very quickly when all of a sudden the bike almost did a front wheel stand and crept quietly up the road at 30km as posted.

An HP car was two back from us!

I reckon that the bike was a certain idb of KB fame! Giving it a little bit of stick to go on with he was too. Well for a little while anyway!

I tried to attract his attention but he was too focused on the vehicle two cars back at that time and frankly I think he was very, very, lucky, not to get pinged!!

Well done that man I thought to myself, wondering if it really was our own idb? Was it you Ian? If so well spotted that man, home safe. :yes: Cheers John.

Erm...yep, that was me.
I was about 40m from the open road sign and the cop actually gave me a wave.
No excuses, I would have been caught bang to rights guv.

I pick up my bike tonight.
I'll get it home, do a bit more on the Darmah then start pulling the 888 to bits.
My workshop's going to look like an explosion in a Ducati museum!

[idb]

no other mistakes in there Curt?

I apologise in advance for any other factual errors.............

[scumdog]

I apologise in advance for any other factual errors.............

You the oxymoron king or sommat?

Ranks right up there with "reliable electrics" (when it comes to Ducati bikes):dodge:

[Richard Mc F]

I just found this thread, laughed so hard it took 2 beers before I could type again, I have an '82 S2 900...........they are all the same, 3 months of ownership..new regulator, modify wiring loom for that, rear wheel bearings ( spacers missing so they collapsed out while out with Mrs Mc F one day:doh: ), chain, rebuild and modify speedo drive, make new fairing mounts, weld header pipe flange back on ( and spend f....ng ages hand filing it all back to shape):bash:

along with the normal oil changes ( every 3k) tyres, tuning adjusting, fettling:violin:

6k in 3 months, sounds fffffffkknnnn fantastic.......how many guys can say they have spent the day with their 24 year old italian mistress and talk to the wife about it, hell some times she joins us hehehheeh:grouphug:

[mjvduc]

good to see a couple of duc freaks are still around :rockon:

get some half descent connectors from AMP or you local bosch dealer and some grease (acid free), if you’re totally bored buy some tape as well. It will also help if you can relocate the rectifier (more cooling air) and/or place it on a bigger and thicker metal plate.

We have a big duc community up here so if you need a hand or some tips let me know

Have fun

mjvduc

[sAsLEX]

It will also help if you can relocate the rectifier (more cooling air) and/or place it on a bigger and thicker metal plate.



You can also put a small computer fan on them to increase airflow across the radiators on them
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[idb]

Cheers guys.
The update at this point is that the fuel pump is stuffed.
I'm expecting a replacement to arrive any day.

Sheesh, the warranty on everything must run out on the same day!

I've had a combination of faults all at the same time.
They could be related, I don't know.

So far
burnt-up connectors
fried reg/rectifier
stuffed fuel pump

And now it has developed an oil leak from the alternator cover!!!

Anyway, we'll see how it goes with the new fuel pump and take it from there.

At least the Darmah's coming together nicely.

[TonyB]

Glad shes going again for you. 888s are all good (its the number of god according to the book of revelation)
Is that an 021 or 0274 number?

[Richard Mc F]

good to see a couple of duc freaks are still around :rockon:

get some half descent connectors from AMP or you local bosch dealer and some grease (acid free), if you’re totally bored buy some tape as well.
mjvduc

Good connectors :2thumbsup and cleaning them even just unplug/plug in a few times to stop corrosion buildup :bye: , fries the connection, disconnecting an input usually fries the rectifyer......:whocares:

Not just a Ducati rpoblem, seen this in quite a few old jappa's as well.

Mind you as IDB has found Ducati electrical stuff is just grand !!!

When the thing is 24 years old it gets even better :done:

[kickingzebra]

Is that an 021 or 0274 number?

if you don't know I can't tell you!!

[idb]

Good connectors :2thumbsup and cleaning them even just unplug/plug in a few times to stop corrosion buildup :bye: , fries the connection, disconnecting an input usually fries the rectifyer......:whocares:

Not just a Ducati rpoblem, seen this in quite a few old jappa's as well.

Mind you as IDB has found Ducati electrical stuff is just grand !!!

When the thing is 24 years old it gets even better :done:

The more faults I find and the more repairs I have to make the more I know about the bike, so it isn't all bad.

[TonyB]

if you don't know I can't tell you!!
So my soul is doomed then?

[kickingzebra]

Good heavens no, but you mightn't be able make landline to cell collects!

[TonyB]

Good to know!

This threads a bit worrying, could it be that the wee Monster 750 in my shed is going to be more trouble than I suspected???

[idb]

Good to know!

This threads a bit worrying, could it be that the wee Monster 750 in my shed is going to be more trouble than I suspected???

It's called "character"!

[mjvduc]

Good to know!

This threads a bit worrying, could it be that the wee Monster 750 in my shed is going to be more trouble than I suspected???

you shouldn't have to much trouble with the "oldish" 2V, had my monsta running for years without any f.... ups and the lady had some nice engine mods as well.

oil, t-belts and VLV clearance:yes:

have fun

mjvduc

[idb]

So, the fuel pump arrived on Friday, I fitted it and headed off for the weekend.
All was going well until I got into the Kawarau Gorge and then it started to die for no reason and then suddenly start up again before I actually came to a complete halt. This would happen every 300m or so.
Hmmmm....this is the same fault that I had right at the beginning of this saga - back in February on my way to the Glenorchy rally.

I decided to carry on and see how far I could get down the road before having to ring AA.

Once I got past Cromwell and on the way to Tarras it came right and stayed that way for the next 600ks.

Thinking about it I figured that maybe it was a fault in the battery. This had been suggested to me by someone way back but I had sort of discounted it because it would take a charge when put on a charger and I thought that replacing the rectifier/regulator would have sorted it.
However, despite replacing the r/r it still didn't seem to want to charge off the bike's alternator.

So I put a new battery in while I was away and all seems good.
The battery is charging and the bike starts well and is running sweetly.

So I may be being too optimistic but this should be my last diary entry in this thread.

Of course the question now is whether the battery fault is what caused all the other problems (excepting maybe the burnt-up connectors), whether the other faults caused the battery to fail or whether everything is just coincidental.

Of course I could have somehow stuffed things with my mucking about I suppose.....I do all my own maintenance you know!

[scumdog]

Good post idb, keep us informed eh?

I love those "I had a problem with my bike and it turned out to be xxxx and I fixed it by yyyy" type threads, I can relate to them.

[idb]

Good post idb, keep us informed eh?

I love those "I had a problem with my bike and it turned out to be xxxx and I fixed it by yyyy" type threads, I can relate to them.

Cheers SD.
Not entirely the logical progression in fault finding I would have liked but it all goes to increasing the knowledge eh?

[scumdog]

Cheers SD.
Not entirely the logical progression in fault finding I would have liked but it all goes to increasing the knowledge eh?


Had a wee bit of 'increase of knowledge' myself in the weekend, had a noise in the Superglide that gave me visions of loose airfilter bracket, knackered cam bearings (a common thing with the early twin-cam H-Ds) but after sensibly riding another 150km home I discovered it was the top engine stabiliser bracket had come loose due to the departure of the two bolts attaching it to the two cylinder heads - gotta love those 'cheap fixes" eh?! (and I don't mean inexpensive recreational drugs neither)

PS Just chillin' out and settlin' into a fine G&T made by CD, 22 degrees outside, calm, just dropped the T-bird off at the panelbeaters, nothin' else left to do - so hows YOUR day going????

[idb]

PS Just chillin' out and settlin' into a fine G&T made by CD, 22 degrees outside, calm, just dropped the T-bird off at the panelbeaters, nothin' else left to do - so hows YOUR day going????

Smug bugger, I'm still doing my bit for the national economy!

It's good to see that your bike has some "character" as well!

[miSTa]

.....I do all my own maintenance you know!
We know...:whistle:


...but after sensibly riding another 150km...
You riding sensibly? I'd like to see that, seems a bit far fetched.


So idb you'll be coming to Otematata/Mt Cook on the 888 next month then?

[scumdog]

We know...:whistle:


You riding sensibly? I'd like to see that, seems a bit far fetched.


So idb you'll be coming to Otematata/Mt Cook on the 888 next month then?
Ya big girl - when your pegs scrape on one side and your exhaust brace on the other then you're forced to ride in a 'sensible' manner eh??

And idb will be hiding if you turn up!! :nya:

[miSTa]

Ya big girl - when your pegs scrape on one side and your exhaust brace on the other then you're forced to ride in a 'sensible' manner eh??

And that's just your bike sitting perfectly vertical! :yes:

[scumdog]

And that's just your bike sitting perfectly vertical! :yes:

Hey, it WAS my own bike I was riding, NOT a 'sensible' bike with training wheels ya dork!!!!

Best ya bring 500ml of Grecian 2000 to Otematata, even more if you miss it and can only get to the Magpie - and I'm packin' twin holsters dude!!.

It'd easy being an eagle when surrounded by turkeys eh?

[miSTa]

Why so much Grecian 2000? Oh thats right, soo much grey hair.... Roll on next weekend :drinkup:

[scumdog]

Why so much Grecian 2000? Oh thats right, soo much grey hair.... Roll on next weekend :drinkup:

Yeah, YOUR gray hair!! (I haven't got enough hair to be grey ya smart bastid!)

See ya next weekend - and bring your own Grecian 2000 eh?

Oh, and CB and I are 'trying out' some fine tequila Margaritas right now - enhances the mental process so they say!!

[scumdog]

Why so much Grecian 2000? Oh thats right, soo much grey hair.... Roll on next weekend :drinkup:

NEXT weekend? It's the Friday 17-18-11th.

Magpie is 24th 25th 26th November.
Are you blinded by the excess of Grecian 2000???:nya: :bleh:

[miSTa]

NEXT weekend? It's the Friday 17-18-11th.

Magpie is 24th 25th 26th November.
Are you blinded by the excess of Grecian 2000???:nya: :bleh:

Ya silly old bugger, the 24th is the end of next week, therefore next weekend...:yes:

How were the Margaritas? Though I suppose we shouldn't hijack idbs thread, whoops too late. :innocent:

[scumdog]

Ya silly old bugger, the 24th is the end of next week, therefore next weekend...:yes:

How were the Margaritas? Though I suppose we shouldn't hijack idbs thread, whoops too late. :innocent:

My bad, CB steered me wrong on the date, a sound spanking has been administered as a result.

[idb]

..... I suppose we shouldn't hijack idbs thread, whoops too late. :innocent:

Quite right ya buggers...you never see me going off topic on a thread!!!
Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!

[miSTa]

Quite right ya buggers...you never see me going off topic on a thread!!!
Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!

You're just the perfect little angel though, we have such high standards to meet...

[scumdog]

You're just the perfect little angel though, we have such high standards to meet...

Well he started it idb.:shutup:

[miSTa]

Well he started it idb.:shutup:
And you just couldn't let it go.

[idb]

And you just couldn't let it go.

Yes I can








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