81 Springbok Tour..Where were you..? [Archive]

Patrick

8th April 2006, 12:33

I was into rugby and mowed the lawns early to watch the Waikato game. Boy was I pissed off... they were big bloody lawns! Was a teen at the time.

"Cops should have let the crowd go at them" was my thoughts at the time.

Watched the crowds having a go at Cops with razor blades in thier shields, the patched up gang shitheads there only coz they wanted a crack at a copper... like they give a shit about Politics and South Africas aparthied... Heard about firefudge being used against the cops as well...

Could never understand why the protesters wanted to resort to violence/push through Police lines/ refuse to listen to directions about "Don't come through this line of baton wielding Police Officers...you will be hurt."

They already had the world media attention.

Programme on TV1 right now about the Tour and the Clowns... gonna watch. Bye

Lou Girardin

8th April 2006, 12:47

I was on motorway patrol watching a herd of protesters close the Northwestern m/way.
I was slightly out-numbered.
I had a cop friend injured for life by them too.
Despite this, I believe the proteters did what had to be done.

terbang

8th April 2006, 13:12

I was 21 and a young flying instructor at the time. I attended a protest at eden park with the peaceful intention to stop aparthied. I was a little naive and wasn't fully sure of the politics of South Africa though I had been to london and witnessed the Vigil outside south africa house and I figured that the black guys were getting a bum deal. I observed some acts of violence and also one of the aeroplanes that I was currently flying being was used as a weapon. I was pissed off with both sides on that day and became rather disillusioned as the protest had also atacked the safety culture that I was part of.. My dad nearly disowned me and my employers threatened to sack me..It was an interesting time in my life to say the least.
However after all these years and putting aside the bad deeds done by both sides, Aparthied is gone and is now a dirty word so the intent at that time was probably correct with maybe the methods being the questionable part...? I have since become friends with an awsome South African family that I flatted with whilst living in Switzerland. They are Africaans (Boer) and are similar age to me and their story is different again and also one of hardship. So all these years later maybe a simple game of sport was all the tour was really about..?

Jantar

8th April 2006, 13:15

I had mixed feelings art the time, as I was opposed to South African racism, but I was also a rugby fan.

I managed to stay true to both feelings by watching every match on TV and at the same holding a sign up to the screen that said 'SA go home".. Natuarally I held the sign in such a way that it didn't impede my view of the matches. :blank:

WINJA

8th April 2006, 13:16

i was the guy that bottled the cop on the head in morningside , i choose one who didnt have a helmet on, that was a real good day , almost as good as the day we rioted on queen st when dave dobyn told us to

Patrick

8th April 2006, 13:32

Baaa...Baaaaaaaaaa... Flock of sheep...

Oakie

8th April 2006, 14:50

Hmm. 21 years old and getting ready to leave home. I was wallpapering my bedroom as a thank you to mum for putting up with me and decided that having stripped the old wallpaper off and being faced with a blank wall that it would be cool to write some stuff on that wall. That included my thoughts on the Tour. If you want to know what I wrote .... the adress is 11 Ure St, Oamaru. Downstairs bedroom ... the wall on the left as you walk in. Oh, you'll have to strip the new wallpaper off.

Oh OK. I wanted to watch the rugby and got pissed off with the protestors for going beyond their right to protest and disrupting other people's lives.

Skyryder

8th April 2006, 14:59

I marched on two occasions. Never went to match demos'. That's what got the media attention. All the abuse and violence I experianced was from the pro rugby crowd. Copped a lot of shit from work becasue of my views. Was at the QEII Veteran games when a HART supporter ran out on interferred with one of the SA runners. This guy was attacked while the police stood back and watched before stepping in. Later I saw a big German competitor king hit the guy while he was handcuffed. Again the police saw this coming and did nothing to stop it. They just told the German to go back into the stadium. I found out years later that the protester now suffers permament brain damage.

Up until that time I was a fence sitter but that incedent made me a little more active. On occasions I hear how the police at the time were impartial. That's bullshit. They saw it nothing but an excuse to go after the Trevor Richards and later John Minto supporters. I still do not entirely trust the police because of what I saw At QEII. I might add that at the time I worked QEII so I had acesss to the entire stadium.

Skyryder

Colapop

8th April 2006, 15:22

I was 11 and my old man took me to Athletic park. We watched rugby and had a hotdog. It was cool. Then my Dad and me went home. Mum made us pancakes for tea. Politics was something that the newsman talked about.

Joni

8th April 2006, 15:26

I was 9... remember my father being real angry and saying sport is sport leave politics out of it! I had no clue what was going on, but hey that what happens when you grow up in Johannesburg you only realise things later in life....

Hitcher

8th April 2006, 15:51

I was living in Auckland at the time. We moved flat the weekend of the Auckland test -- from Sandringham to Forrest Hill -- and had to drive through Police check-points with our trailer-loads of stuff, which the Cops ratted through each time we went past.

I was easy-osey about the whole thing. But this issue split families in half -- hurt that still hasn't healed in some circumstances.

I believe that if this tour had gone on for one more game, people would have been killed.

8th April 2006, 16:04

I was 17 yrs old, in my second last year of school before having to go to the army (conscription).
At that stage I was playing rugby and riding motorbikes and, as my parents were not "political", we had a peaceful time...
Lived on a game ranch which my parents owned and played a lot of soccer against the african kids (learnt a lot too...!)
Oh yes, also shot defenceless buck and took foreign tourists around in the landrover!

Such was life...

Al

Sniper

8th April 2006, 16:20

I suppose I may be too young to understand the full effect of the protest, but what I believe is polotics should not be involved in things they know little about.

Brian d marge

8th April 2006, 16:53

umm pulling down a fence...... Guilty as charged me Ludd

:dodge:

Stephen

I think it was Lancaster park ..Memory a bit fadey

oldrider

8th April 2006, 17:50

I was in favour of the tour and still am of the same point of view now.

I have misgivings about some of the deep divisions that were created between otherwise good friends and family members

I did not like what was going on in SA then and I still don't like what is going on there now.

The protesters in the main were just caring New Zealanders and I respect their right to protest and agree with what "they" were protesting about.

The bastards in the background were just political activists and thugs like WINJA portrays himself to be on here

Strangely these political activists are not being heard from today with the plight of the white people in SA and Zimbabwe or even the blacks of both countries.

The thugs of course are still in evidence and could be relied on at any time to take up the call to arms to fuck the country and rally in force to do their slimy destructive best.

I think they were just full of shit then and do so even more so now!

Most of the political activists are still around and have vested their energies in the political parties of the left.

The further left you look the greater the concentration of the activists of the 1981 tour you can find.

The real loser from the events of 81 has been the relations between Maori and Pakeha in New Zealand, it was great before that event but has deteriorated increasingly ever since.

Most people probably don't associate those events with deterioration in race relations here because they think they were on the same side but I believe it was the beginning of the rot.

I grew up with Maori kids, we were in and out of each others houses, we played together, went everywhere together and never even gave a thought to the fact that there was any difference really.

Girls and boys grew up together intermarried and raised children just like one big happy family.

I don't see it like that now and I really grieve for the old days to return but as a realist I know it will only continue to deteriorate further as the political scene stabilises its self out here now.

That is why I believe the best thing is for Maori to become more involved in running the country by completely filling up the Maori role and get as many seats in parliament as they can and get really active in the decision making process.

Then and only then will the wounds of the past be turned into positive inputs and outcomes for the future.

It may get a lot worse before it gets better but no pain no gain as they say but then that would be a good outcome influenced (IMO) from the tour of 81.

You asked about the tour and these have been my thoughts in response. Cheers John.

Hitcher

8th April 2006, 17:53

paturoa

8th April 2006, 18:24

Many issues in here for me.

I was at AK uni at the time and playing rugby for AK uni. I was living in the Grafton Hall uni hostel.

I didn't protest and I didn't go to any games. I did watch on telly.

Anyway,

Issue 1) Freedom - we can't compromise our right of freedom in this country. Freedom to have the tour, freedom to protest and freedom of speech.

Issue 2) Law and order - many of the protesters were in the wrong and some of the cops.

So did I support the tour, yes because I saw it then and still do now as a right of NZers to do lawful stuff.

So did I support the protests, yes because I saw it as a right of NZers too.

So did I support the crap, willfull damage, assults etc etc - NO. So did I support the arrangement in SA at the time , no.

It was a crazy time. Before the AK test I rode around on my bike (Suzi ER250) and saw lots of pathetic crap done by protesters, spray painting stuff, smashing things, breaking stuff. (I've had things vandalised over the years and I hate all rsoles who do this)

The Beast

8th April 2006, 18:35

Bloody hell, you guys are all old, I wasn't even born!! Hahaha

onearmedbandit

8th April 2006, 18:39

Hmmm would've been six years old and more concerned about how I was going to convince a class mate to give up their chocolate chippies for 'hundreds of thousands' biscuits. Damn I hated those biscuits, still do.

paturoa

8th April 2006, 18:50

You young fellas probably only play soggy biscuits anyway...

sedge

8th April 2006, 18:52

Heh heh... Idiotic people protesting by having a sit in outside the hospital and all the way to Basin res the day of the game, what were they thinking ?... My Ma was seriously about to pop out my sister, bleeding everywhere and couldn't get in... Nice cops with big whacking sticks made a path through the hippies like a bunch of fur seals... Well, a bunch of swearing crying fur seals.

Sigh, I'm all for civil protest, but when you infringe the rights of others to make your point you are an idiot and you lose any rights you may have had.

Good on the cops, could've been messy or deadly for my ma and sister.

Sedge.

paturoa

8th April 2006, 18:55

Agree rsole protesters don't get any sympahthy from me.

Several created spikes and threw them off the motorway bridges. Lucky none knew what Z nails were.

Motu

8th April 2006, 19:03

I was in my late 20's,expecting our first child.Some of my mates were in the punch up,I wondered what they were doing protesting.I was a true blue hippy and against everything to do with the establishment - but I have never had the slightest interest in rugby and never conected rugby to human rights....

paturoa

8th April 2006, 19:12

Rugby is what I chose to do and many others too. Some choose other things.

Point is, that I believe I have the right to make a choice of the lawful things I want to do, eg ride my bikes.

Rugby isnt the connection, choice is.

SPman

8th April 2006, 20:53

I was 32 with 2 kids and running a small joinery factory - I wanted to go to the Eden park protests, but couldnt just fuck off and leave the shop!!!
A mate I was going to go with went and he ended up with a smashed eye socket from the end of a red squad baton, as he lay on the ground, having been knocked over in a crowd surge when the Red squad charged the protesters! Almost lost his eye! He is a school teacher and had spent 2 years in Sabah, in the jungle, on VSA work, prior to this.
I think the whole protest thing became something more than just rugby, sport, or even apartheid, by the end. It became a protest about the government and the way society seemed to be heading under Muldoon!.
One of my current workmates was a cop at the Eden Park protest. He left the police soon afterwards....reckoned he'd seen enough crap - from both sides - to put up with it anymore.

Sigh, I'm all for civil protest, but when you infringe the rights of others to make your point you are an idiot and you lose any rights you may have had. The only way you can get a point across IS to infringe the "rights" of others, at times - otherwise you may as well piss in the wind. People wont take action or think, most times, unless they have been put out in some way. Im all for more active protest - like - sink a few fucking whaling ships! That would be nicely effective I reckon, - no ships, they couldnt go whaling.
Nice cops with big whacking sticks made a path through the hippies like a bunch of fur seals.and what makes you think they were hippies? Oh...they had principals and convictions they were prepared to stand up (or sit down), for! Pity there aren't a few more fuckin hippies around this beknighted country then!

So Terbang, you flew that 172 as well - it was owned by a friend of the families and was on lease to the NSAC at the time.

Ixion

8th April 2006, 21:01

I didn't much care then, and still don't. Sport is the modern opiate of the masses. Bread and circuses, still works.

Indiana_Jones

8th April 2006, 22:38

I was a glint in the milkmen's eye in 1981

-Indy

Timber020

8th April 2006, 23:31

I was all of 6. My dad was for the tour, my mum against.

If it was today, I would be against the tour. If you support the representitives of a nation then you support the nation. And that nation was doing alot of wrong.

zadok

9th April 2006, 00:49

I was working in Turangi and facinated listening to the antics taking place around the country, on the radio. I certainly don't condone the oppression of people, but I was disgusted by the antics of the protesters. I am now disgusted in Muggabe's antics in Zimbabwe.

terbang

9th April 2006, 10:45

So Terbang, you flew that 172 as well - it was owned by a friend of the families and was on lease to the NSAC at the time.

Can't remember his name but he was someone who had held a previous licence, joined NSAC a month or so before, got his licence current and booked the aircraft for a local flight. absolutely no suspicion whatsoever. My mate Paul did a couple of currency circuits with this bloke in the morning and signed him out for a local and then went home to watch the rugby on TV only, to his horror, to see DXI beating up eden park and dropping flour bombs barely an hour later..

sedge

9th April 2006, 11:50

The only way you can get a point across IS to infringe the "rights" of others, at times - otherwise you may as well piss in the wind. People wont take action or think, most times, unless they have been put out in some way.

There's a difference between CIVIL protest and ACTIVELY blocking ambulances getting in to a hospital. Like I wrote, I'm all for CIVIL protest, but that was just plain stupid.

You absolutely cannot infringe the rights of others to make your point. If you feel your rights are being violated what kind of idiotic statement are you making when you violate someone elses for your own benefit. Think about it.

CIVIL protest is good, blocking the road is fine, holding up ambulances is not.

Sedge.

Pixie

9th April 2006, 12:33

I stood aside as my student friends got into a lefty lather.
I didn't give a stuff about rugger buggers or fuzzy wuzzies then, and don't give a stuff about them now.

Pixie

9th April 2006, 12:43

Strangely these political activists are not being heard from today with the plight of the white people in SA and Zimbabwe or even the blacks of both countries.

Strangely similar to the atitude of the US administration with respect to Iraq,don't you think?
"it's for their own good,what ever the cost"

mangell6

9th April 2006, 16:58

My brother-in-law, to whom I am still on speaking terms, was at the Hamilton protests and was one of the "pitch-invaders".

We had many 'heated' discussions and it was NOT over the South African situation.

For me it was and still is really simple, EVERYONE has a right to protest based on what they believe in, but NO-ONE has the right to IMPOSE their own beliefs on anyone else.

I agreed with my B-I-L that SA was a crap situation and that "Governments" who supported the regime - most notably the US and the UK - were also the only ones who could do 'externally' do anything about the situation. But I disagreed that he had the right to impose his beliefs on the crowd at Rugby Park.

For me this put him on the same position as the SA government of the day imposing their beliefs on part of the population.

Regarding poly-ticks in sport, they finally came got control of the sporting bodies where it hurt.

Mike

Skyryder

9th April 2006, 18:38

The whole "keep politics out of sport" issue is a crock. All sport is "political". And probably always has been. Just look at how much dosh our Government forks out each year on elite athletes, the World Rugby Cup and other events and opportunities designed to keep "Aotearoa uber alles"...

What is the Olympics, if not a major political opportunity for "superpowers" and the third world?

Spot on as Hitch.

Anyone who thinks that politics and sport are seperate have their head buried in the sand. Poitical parties, governments etc. are the first to jump on the bandwagon when a national team or an indavidual wins or breaks a record. And this is how it should be. Teams and indaviduals represent their country, not themselves when they participate in their nations name.

Skyryder

Finn

9th April 2006, 18:58

In 1981 I was 19 and in the 4th form. I didn't really pay much attention to it at the time, I wasn't overly into rugby and was more interested in improving my grades so I could get a job and fine people for exceeding the speed limit by 5 k's.

Good one Spud. Glad it panned out for you.

95% of the people protesting didn't know what they were protesting about. Today, South Africa is basically fucked. The whites didn't care for the blacks and now the blacks in power don't give a fuck either. Unfortunately, all african nations are corrupt. It's just they way of the tribal system, much the same as the maori tribal system. Mandella should have stayed in jail. He's a little shit sturrer that boy.

My point - Freedom came at a huge price.

Skyryder

9th April 2006, 19:28

Good one Spud. Glad it panned out for you.

95% of the people protesting didn't know what they were protesting about. Today, South Africa is basically fucked. The whites didn't care for the blacks and now the blacks in power don't give a fuck either. Unfortunately, all african nations are corrupt. It's just they way of the tribal system, much the same as the maori tribal system. Mandella should have stayed in jail. He's a little shit sturrer that boy.

My point - Freedom came at a huge price.

Where's the stats for 95% or is that just a figure that you have conjured up?

So under apartheid, South Africa was 'not' fucked.

Corruption is not part of any tribal system. Many cultures do not have a word for corrupution. It's meaning only became clear after after european contact.

Mandella was released by the South African Government.

Freedom always comes at a price. It's just that you and I Finn have never had to pay for it.

Skyryder

Patrick

9th April 2006, 19:54

There's a difference between CIVIL protest and ACTIVELY blocking ambulances getting in to a hospital. Like I wrote, I'm all for CIVIL protest, but that was just plain stupid.

You absolutely cannot infringe the rights of others to make your point. If you feel your rights are being violated what kind of idiotic statement are you making when you violate someone elses for your own benefit. Think about it.

CIVIL protest is good, blocking the road is fine, holding up ambulances is not.

Sedge.

Well said, that man. Kinda makes a nonsence of ot all doesnt it?

Like, "lets protest about rights being abused by so and so... Lets all go out and abuse everyone elses rights to protest about rights being abused by so and so..." Huh?????:doh:

Finn

9th April 2006, 19:57

Where's the stats for 95% or is that just a figure that you have conjured up?

So under apartheid, South Africa was 'not' fucked.

Corruption is not part of any tribal system. Many cultures do not have a word for corrupution. It's meaning only became clear after after european contact.

Mandella was released by the South African Government.

Freedom always comes at a price. It's just that you and I Finn have never had to pay for it.

Skyryder

95% Source - Herald Digi Poll actually. When I said SA was fucked, I meant fucked from an economic sense. So therefore, SA wasn't fucked under apatheid. It sure is fucked now. It's a sad place and I'm not saying I have any answers but in this case democracy didn't work. Label it what you like, but corruption as we know it today is part of EVERY tribal system. Mandella - corrupt, Koffi Annan - corrupt, Robert Mugabe - corrupt, All maori tribes - corrupt.

You sound like a regular NZ do gooder. I bet you've got a tiki around your pale white neck, a poster of Sue Kedgley on your living room wall and 30 greenpeace stickers holding your bumber on.

Actually I think I've done my part for freedom. At least that was what I was told I was doing.

mangell6

9th April 2006, 20:12

Most of those places that those "learned" gentlemen came from were not corrupt prior to the "modernisation" of the European. It is pleasing to see that our Western standards being taken on so readily by these ignorant savages.

Actually the word I should be using is "Civilised". Hah!

BTW Sue would make a good dart board.

Skyryder

9th April 2006, 20:29

95% Source - Herald Digi Poll actually. When I said SA was fucked, I meant fucked from an economic sense. So therefore, SA wasn't fucked under apatheid. It sure is fucked now. It's a sad place and I'm not saying I have any answers but in this case democracy didn't work. Label it what you like, but corruption as we know it today is part of EVERY tribal system. Mandella - corrupt, Koffi Annan - corrupt, Robert Mugabe - corrupt, All maori tribes - corrupt.

You sound like a regular NZ do gooder. I bet you've got a tiki around your pale white neck, a poster of Sue Kedgley on your living room wall and 30 greenpeace stickers holding your bumber on.

Actually I think I've done my part for freedom. At least that was what I was told I was doing.

What a crap post. Your word for the poll and everthing else that you state.

But shit Finn I don't know how you do it. I mean this 'telepathy' thing you've got going for your self like I do wear a tiki round my neck, It's only plastic but that's good enough for a wannabe Maori. I've not only got Sue Kedgely up on my wall but also Sue Bradford as well. Both each side of Johnn Cash. But them I'm a sucker for Sue's. You got the greenpeace stickers wrong. I use them for toilet paper so the bumper bit is only half right.:killingme :killingme

So you have done your bit for freedom or so you have been told. And I'm the 'do' gooder here??

Skyryder

PS Keep looking for your brains. There's a clue in my post of where you'll find them.

Patrick

9th April 2006, 20:58

He "escaped" so now is "free"...

spudchucka

9th April 2006, 21:07

Good one Spud. Glad it panned out for you.
Good one dickhead. Don't screw with my posts.

Finn

9th April 2006, 21:45

Good one dickhead. Don't screw with my posts.

I think you've become institutionalised buttmunch. On the beat, your ticket book is your weapon. On KB it's the red rep. You should take advantage of free councilling provided by us taxpayers. So much anger much have been caused by something very dramatic during your early childhood.

Oh and by the way, go fuck yourself freak boy. Try getting a sense of humour. [MODERATOR DELETION]

GIXser

9th April 2006, 21:46

Spud" you were getting fucked in the ass by ya headmaster at the time of the tour" dont try and twist the truth by making up stories like: chasing girls etc, we all know you are an "assbandit"

Finn

9th April 2006, 21:55

Joni, how could my post upset you so? I didn't say I agreed with apatheid. I said it how it is. I had family in SA, believe me I know a thing or two about the place. In fact my brother paid the ulimate price. His body was never recovered.

Good luck saving the world.

WINJA

9th April 2006, 21:57

Spud" you were getting fucked in the ass by ya headmaster at the time of the tour" dont try and twist the truth by making up stories like: chasing girls etc, we all know you are an "assbandit"
I RECKON , JUST THE FACT THAT HE POINTED OUT HE WAS CHASING GIRLS MAKES HIM A FAG

Maha

9th April 2006, 22:00

May have said before but politics and sport are like chalk and cheese/black and white/oil and water.they dont mix well.the John Minto's of this world dont raise awearness, they raise blood temperatures.................:sleep:

Madness

9th April 2006, 22:05

I don't know which I care less about; 1980's politics or rugby???

In 1981 the Suzuki GSX1100 ruled the roads. 20 years later I bought one and it sucked. Buy a Kawasaki.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 09:36

95% Source - Herald Digi Poll actually. .

I call bullshit.
Show us yer source...

Finn

10th April 2006, 09:42

I call bullshit.
Show us yer source...

It was a joke dumbass.

The riots during the Springbok tour were just that. There weren't a protest at all. It was just an excuse for the neanderthals to cut loose. My point of my posts is that while apartheid wasn't good, what they have now isn't working.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 09:43

It was a joke dumbass.

The riots during the Springbok tour were just that. There weren't a protest at all. It was just an excuse for the neanderthals to cut loose. My point of my posts is that while apartheid wasn't good, what they have now isn't working.

You seem to be very well informed.
Were you there?

Finn

10th April 2006, 09:51

You seem to be very well informed.

I am a wealth of knowledge. Go on, test me on anything you like...

Oscar

10th April 2006, 09:57

I am a wealth of knowledge. Go on, test me on anything you like...

I think you may have "knowledge" mixed up with "talking shit".

What facts do you have to back up your claims vis-a-vis the motivation of the protesters?

spudchucka

10th April 2006, 09:59

I am a font of bullshit. Go on, test me on anything you like... I've got all the answers to lifes questions. Or alternatively I'll just make shit up and pretend to be something I'm not but if all else fails I'll just call you a buttf&$ker and blow a smoke screen out to cover myself.
:finger: :finger:

SARGE

10th April 2006, 10:02

Subic Bay, the Phillipines..

didnt have a clue what rugby was

Patrick

10th April 2006, 10:09

Spud" you were getting fucked in the ass by ya headmaster at the time of the tour" dont try and twist the truth by making up stories like: chasing girls etc, we all know you are an "assbandit"

How tight is that fit in Mikeys straight jacket you share Gixser? You in front or behind? Pot calling kettle....

spudchucka

10th April 2006, 10:12

terbang

10th April 2006, 10:30

Hitcher

10th April 2006, 10:48

Spud" you were getting fucked in the ass by ya headmaster at the time of the tour" dont try and twist the truth by making up stories like: chasing girls etc, we all know you are an "assbandit"
While you may be sexually attracted to donkeys (i.e. asses) around here arses rule.

This ambiguous message is brought to you by the BDOTGNZA.

GIXser

10th April 2006, 11:07

How tight is that fit in Mikeys straight jacket you share Gixser? You in front or behind? Pot calling kettle....

cunts that ride 250 's shouldnt be allowed to post -- nor should cunts that dont even have a bike--- fuckin wannabe's

ps were any of you cunts at the stuntday-- ??? could have at least introduced yourselves

Lias

10th April 2006, 11:25

Was only a young fellah at the time, but was something I was interested in when I grew up.

Definitly supported the tour, and if it happened again today I'd be in the front lines of the fans who were beating the shit out of the hippie scum. Still firmly believe the police should have used lethal force to ensure the games went ahead. Fuck the long batons, shoot any hippie who tries to invade the field.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 11:30

terbang

10th April 2006, 11:34

Ok now we will see just how tough Lias really is..?

Patrick

10th April 2006, 11:35

cunts that ride 250 's shouldnt be allowed to post -- nor should cunts that dont even have a bike--- fuckin wannabe's

ps were any of you cunts at the stuntday-- ??? could have at least introduced yourselves

Don't only have a 250 you tard... can't ya read? Thunderbird ain't no puppet ya skidmark...

Gotta have the 250 to get the licence....didn't you?

Stunt day? Wasn't there. Was at the Naki drags and they had a stuntboy ringing the shit out of his bike as entertainment for the hoards.

Finn

10th April 2006, 11:35

I see you're local.
I was a protester - PM me and I'll give you my address.
Let's see how much of a hero you are, Bubb.

SEE!!! You protesters are just a violent bunch of non contributing monkeys.

Lou Girardin

10th April 2006, 11:45

Unfortunately, all african nations are corrupt. It's just they way of the tribal system, much the same as the maori tribal system.

So we have something to look forward to if Tinorangitiratanga becomes law.
Personally, I'll be heading to Oz so fast I'd leave a wake.

oldrider

10th April 2006, 11:56

Yup there were Neanderthals there on both sides by my observation. As a youngster I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to travel so my view on Aparthied was not an ignorant one. It still astounds me that people are still indignant that their rugby (nothing more than a game) was disturbed because of the plight of milions of people who had very little and were going nowhere as a result of a government policy. I reckon that the sacrafice of a rugby game or two is a small price to help somebody else achieve freedom of choice when they werent prviously allowed it..Isn't it..?
Do you seriously believe that the tour had anything to do with the demise of the SA apartheid?
I do not believe it had any more influence than a passing irritant to South Africans, just a curious event that they could not quite appreciate or understand.
It was big time only to New Zealanders of both sides and for what? :scratch:
This thread is in danger of reviving all the unpleasantness of those times, do we really need to do that? :spudwhat: John.

mangell6

10th April 2006, 12:18

So we have something to look forward to if Tinorangitiratanga becomes law.
Personally, I'll be heading to Oz so fast I'd leave a wake.

Yep, where the abo's know their place and there is only One Nation.

:scratch:

Oscar

10th April 2006, 12:29

SEE!!! You protesters are just a violent bunch of non contributing monkeys.

I contribute plenty, Bubb.
I was just making the Red-Neck's day. He said he wanted to smash some protestors, so I said he could (try and) start with me....

Lias

10th April 2006, 12:33

I see you're local.
I was a protester - PM me and I'll give you my address.
Let's see how much of a hero you are, Bubb.
PM sent :2guns:

Oscar

10th April 2006, 12:44

PM sent :2guns:

...and replied to.

Where do you want yer whooping?:bash:

MisterD

10th April 2006, 12:48

You seem to be very well informed.
Were you there?

Finn's right. You want to compare the strength of the Rand then and now?

scumdog

10th April 2006, 12:49

cunts that ride 250 's shouldnt be allowed to post -- nor should cunts that dont even have a bike--- fuckin wannabe's

ps were any of you cunts at the stuntday-- ??? could have at least introduced yourselves

Yep - but I make it my policy not to introduce myself to wankers and arseholes.:motu:

And there was a Sprinbok tour back then? Dang! was probably on the Rosebank lodge having a jug of beer when it happened, what kind of music do they play???

Oscar

10th April 2006, 12:51

Finn's right. You want to compare the strength of the Rand then and now?

I was referring to his apparent God-like ability to know the motivation of 95% of the protestors.

Patrick

10th April 2006, 12:52

Yeah... but he is probably trolling and I took the bait? Brave call when you're hiding on a computor... I like meeting inperson and forming my own impressions then, even if he is gay and likes sharing a straight jacket with another bloke. Still doesn't answer whether he is the mummy or daddy (front or back) but that doesn't matter....

Lias

10th April 2006, 13:17

I was referring to his apparent God-like ability to know the motivation of 95% of the protestors.
It doesnt take a genius to work that out. :sherlock:

1% were actual real communists
4% were joe bloggs kiwis who actually gave a shit about south africa
and the other 95% were the unwashed liberal student masses protesting against anything mummy and daddy could throw at them.

As for your whooping, shall we fight Marquis of Queensbury rules, or do you mind if I use chinese titty twisters?

Oscar

10th April 2006, 14:09

It doesnt take a genius to work that out. :sherlock:

1% were actual real communists
4% were joe bloggs kiwis who actually gave a shit about south africa
and the other 95% were the unwashed liberal student masses protesting against anything mummy and daddy could throw at them.

As for your whooping, shall we fight Marquis of Queensbury rules, or do you mind if I use chinese titty twisters?

As usual everything changes in hindsight, but I can recall being genuinely concerned not only about apartheid, but about the way Muldoon cynically manipulated public opinion.

You can use chinese tity twisters if yer like, but I'm relying on my faithful Gunn & Moore...(avg. this season 37.5, soon to be 37.5 + one oik).

Lias

10th April 2006, 15:16

As usual everything changes in hindsight, but I can recall being genuinely concerned not only about apartheid, but about the way Muldoon cynically manipulated public opinion.

You can use chinese tity twisters if yer like, but I'm relying on my faithful Gunn & Moore...(avg. this season 37.5, soon to be 37.5 + one oik).
Sounds like the police will soon be confiscating another of my baseball bats as evidence.. Its a bloody good thing the warehouse sells them cheap.. Well maybe not so good for the hippies of the world.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 15:22

Sounds like the police will soon be confiscating another of my baseball bats as evidence.. Its a bloody good thing the warehouse sells them cheap.. Well maybe not so good for the hippies of the world.

They're not likely to want to touch it when they see the ambulance men remove from your person...

Lias

10th April 2006, 15:33

They're not likely to want to touch it when they see the ambulance men remove from your person...
Hippie blood tends to be contagious. You might get aids, hepatitis, or something far worse like a green party membership.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 15:46

Hippie blood tends to be contagious. You might get aids, hepatitis, or something far worse like a green party membership.

I ain't no hippie.
Hippies don't ride KTM's very very fast...

Hitcher

10th April 2006, 15:47

Hippie blood tends to be contagious.
If one touches it, does one contract hippietitis?

Finn

10th April 2006, 16:00

I ain't no hippie.
Hippies don't ride KTM's

Come on, the Dutch are the biggest form of Hippies known to mankind.

Lias

10th April 2006, 16:01

I ain't no hippie.
Hippies don't ride KTM's very very fast...
KTM's go fast?

You must be taking some really good hippie drugs to think that.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 16:02

Come on, the Dutch are the biggest form of Hippies known to mankind.

Jeez, what a maroon.
KTM's are Austrian.

Oscar

10th April 2006, 16:02

KTM's go fast?

You must be taking some really good hippie drugs to think that.

Anything I ride goes fast.

Lias

10th April 2006, 16:08

Anything I ride goes fast.
So its all over in 30 seconds?

Oscar

10th April 2006, 16:10

So its all over in 30 seconds?

I wouldn't want you to suffer...

Finn

10th April 2006, 16:11

Jeez, what a maroon.
KTM's are Austrian.

So was Hitler. Didn't make him any good did it?

Lias

10th April 2006, 16:14

I wouldn't want you to suffer...
Ahh so you like to ride other men for 30 seconds. Explains a lot really..

Oscar

10th April 2006, 16:17

Ahh so you like to ride other men for 30 seconds. Explains a lot really..

All it explains is that when I promise to give you a whooping, you start to fantasise about being ridden...

Lou Girardin

10th April 2006, 16:54

So was Hitler. Didn't make him any good did it?

He built some great roads, set up a brilliant European tourist agency ( motto - see Europe and kill people), supplied material for John Cleese, isn't that enough?

Finn

10th April 2006, 16:56

He built some great roads, set up a brilliant European tourist agency ( motto - see Europe and kill people), supplied material for John Cleese, isn't that enough?

You missed one little detail... he had a Swedish girlfriend.

Jackrat

10th April 2006, 19:56

I was building the house just before the hair pin at Pukekohe at the time.
I was also fence sitting a bit,being a rugby supporter but not approving of SA's race policys at all.
I do remember copping shit about being a protester from some dick heads in Otahuhu because I was wearing/carrying a full face helmet.
If I was pushed I would of supported Minto an Co', But not to the point of clashing with Rugby supporters,or the police.

Hitcher

10th April 2006, 20:03

So was Hitler. Didn't make him any good did it?
He transformed German into the most powerful economic and military state in Europe. But like most despots, he didn't know when to stop.

kro

10th April 2006, 20:19

I was in Form 1, and didn't have alot of knowledge of the reasons for it all, but distinctly remember thinking that protestors were a public menace, and the only thing between a peaceful protest, and a full scale riot, was the cops.\

That whole fiasco also showed me my first taste of "media carnage". Friends of my Mum and Dads went thru a messy divorce over it. As I remember, the wife suddenly developed a strong dislike of apartheid, and race issues, that had somehow never come up in the marriage as a conversation, and after seeing all the hype on the news, she went overboard, and split the family down the middle, because hubby wouldn't "take sides"

The husband was just a live and let live easy going kind of guy, who got blind sided by the whole thing, and ended up dying of cancer, and refused to let her see him, in his final weeks, because she had been such a bitch, and taken what he referred to as the moral high ground, and willingly killed a happy marriage with it.

Funny what memories come back when you do a retro thread.

kiwisfly

10th April 2006, 21:53

Reading the thread conjurs up memories of similar "debates" at the time. Pretty heated & alot of it founded on baseless bullshit...who really knew the situation in SA then?
I went to the Athletic Park game. Ran the protest line along Rintoul St, pretty bloody ugly really. Did I have an opinion or care then, not really, it was just a game of rugby. What did begin to make me question & explore the SA situation was the news of Steve Biko...hmmm

terbang

10th April 2006, 22:28

Do you seriously believe that the tour had anything to do with the demise of the SA apartheid?

Not on its own but it certainly contributed in some way. Apartheid died a natural death as a result of pressure from all over the world including NZs small contribution.

oldrider

11th April 2006, 11:50

Not on its own but it certainly contributed in some way. Apartheid died a natural death as a result of pressure from all over the world including NZs small contribution.
I agree with that conclusion but there are those who think it was the major contribution to the downfall of apartheid!
What arrogant bullshit!
It was only big in New Zealand and then only among a vocal minority. (The bulk of the antiaparthied feelings in NZ were very genuine on both sides)
Most of the destructive insane behaviour was carried out by criminally minded anarchists who grabbed the opportunity to jump on the band waggon and hide amongst those with genuine feelings about the issue.
Muldoon was worse than the anarchists because he used the issue to try and bolster up his failing political support to further portray his image as a tough guy and a firm leader!
Muldoon used the welfare of our country to create a scenario of discontent and used the police force as a political tool for his own personal advantage.
He was the worst offender, the anarchistic rabble took the bait and the gentle genuine caring people were too stupid to know that they were just being used for political expediency.
It was a black time for New Zealand because it exposed just how illiterate and undereducated the bulk of the populace really is here.
Politicians have always used their ability to create a diversionary circus to distract the voters from the real issues of the day, it's happening today right under our noses.
Watch closely and ask, "who really benefits" :spudwhat:
A and B at loggerheads publicly for the benefit of C!
Who are the losers? Usually, you and me! :moon:
Even more intriguing is the question,"who are the winners"? :doh:

El Dopa

11th April 2006, 20:57

He transformed German into the most powerful economic and military state in Europe. But like most despots, he didn't know when to stop.

To digress, he transformed Germany by creating/playing up both internal and external threats, and 'countering' these by creating a hugely powerful military machine/state juggernaut. So if he had wanted to stop, he woudn't have been able to.

Interesting reading these accounts as an outsider.

ajturbo

11th April 2006, 21:54

as i was captin of the under 18's waimera old boys rugby club... i asked the ref if we could finish early... we were loosing by the usall 30 to nill.. and he said yes, in shower, on bike into town (nelson), pushed through protesters, pass the police, and into the game ( free tickets).. what a game nelson bays got hammered ( i think.. hell it was a long time ago) left game, got pissed, rode bike home, showered, went to party at my place:Oops: forgot i had organised that, got even drunker, threw up off the belcony, chatted up some ugly chick that was starting to look good, threw up after drinking a yard glass... fell asleep on the toilet that was in our lounge, woke up to see the police had poped in to say hi and ask us to turn the music down, they looked at us drunks and went and turned the music down themselves.. woke up next morning, went for ride to kiteriteri..... what a great weekend:apumpin:

Lou Girardin

12th April 2006, 15:19

To digress, he transformed Germany by creating/playing up both internal and external threats, and 'countering' these by creating a hugely powerful military machine/state juggernaut. So if he had wanted to stop, he woudn't have been able to.
.

Hmmmm. What other country and politician does this remind me of?

Skyryder

12th April 2006, 17:49

I agree with that conclusion but there are those who think it was the major contribution to the downfall of apartheid!
What arrogant bullshit!
It was only big in New Zealand and then only among a vocal minority. (The bulk of the antiaparthied feelings in NZ were very genuine on both sides)
Most of the destructive insane behaviour was carried out by criminally minded anarchists who grabbed the opportunity to jump on the band waggon and hide amongst those with genuine feelings about the issue.
Muldoon was worse than the anarchists because he used the issue to try and bolster up his failing political support to further portray his image as a tough guy and a firm leader!
Muldoon used the welfare of our country to create a scenario of discontent and used the police force as a political tool for his own personal advantage.
He was the worst offender, the anarchistic rabble took the bait and the gentle genuine caring people were too stupid to know that they were just being used for political expediency.
It was a black time for New Zealand because it exposed just how illiterate and undereducated the bulk of the populace really is here.
Politicians have always used their ability to create a diversionary circus to distract the voters from the real issues of the day, it's happening today right under our noses.
Watch closely and ask, "who really benefits" :spudwhat:
A and B at loggerheads publicly for the benefit of C!
Who are the losers? Usually, you and me! :moon:
Even more intriguing is the question,"who are the winners"? :doh:

There was a small and vocal minority of anti arpartheid activists long before Hart or the media became involved. It was the New Zealand Rugby Boards refusal to halt rugby sporting contact with SA (as was their right) that bought apartheid out into the mainstream public forum. Hart played a major role in bringing to the media attention the racist attitude of South African sport. For those that believed, and many genuinanly did, that politics had no place in sport, convenantly overlooked the fact that South Afican 'political' policies were well entrenched in the sporting activities of not only local sport but national teams as well. HART to their credit did raise awareness of the divisions between our New Zealsnd sporting bodies and South African. That maoris were excluded from New Zealand All Black teams that toured SA and when they did were accorded as 'honorary ' whites is a shame that nobody now talks about.

I will agree that there is room for debate as to the contribution that Hart made with the dismantling of arparthied. I am however of the opinion that it would have happened sooner or later with or without Harts support. The fact that Hart bought aparthied onto the world stage makes me think that their support was 'sooner' rather than later.

Ther rest of your post on Muldoon etc I concur.

Skyryder

Oscar

13th April 2006, 08:51