Locking off threads

[marty]

interesting.

it's a funny old place, this kiwibiker.

cops gets slagged off, their integrity called into question with no justification, threats are made, senior members are belittled by relative newbies, suppressed information is discussed in open forum,etc etc etc.

then someone turns up out of the blue, with a thread from WAY out left, receives a bit of jippers for it, and the thread gets locked?

it's a bit like all the boys being at the pub for hours, then someone walks in, tries to join in, but feeling a bit picked on gets the barman to tell the boys to stop having the conversation. hey i know, how about the newbie either joins in, has a reasoned conversation, shuts up, or leaves.

just my observations.

[MSTRS]

Hasn't this thread been locked yet?

[ManDownUnder]

I agree with what the mods did.

Someone opened up a topic that must have taken shitloads of guts, looking for others in the same situation for reasons unknown - support, possibly to help them, to document experiences to assist others...

And the majority of responses took the piss straight off the bat and had who knows what level of effect???

I personally think the thread should be deleted (if those starting it want it that way).

KB may not be the ideal forum for stuff.. but for fuck's sake - if someone puts up their hand asking for help with an issue of that magnitude... and I stress - I don't care where or when - you guys should leaping over each other to either help, or get out of the way while others can.

[Smorg]

1. If senior members cant handle a bit of stick then thats thier problem....no reason to get all upset and lock a thread, which is proberly why it doesnt happen I would think.

2. Suppressed infomation is obviously no longer suppressed if its on an open forum now is it........

3. If I was to be threatend on the "internet"....... do i even need to finish that? Stick and Stones will break my bones but 01010101110010101010111 will never hurt me:weird:

[Ixion]

Courtesy lads, courtesy. And sensitivity. Cops we may assume are fairly tough buggers, not too emotionally fragile.

But, if a cop asked for posting to stop in a thread that said cop had started, cos the slagging was getting too much to deal with, I'd lock it. Assuming that people didn't have the decency to respect the wishes of the thread starter, and affected person.

Maybe everyone isn't a rough tough biker. Bikings none the worse for having a few gentler and more sensitive types involved. Just means having a bit of consideration for other peoples feelings , eh?

[MSTRS]

Hasn't this thread been locked yet?
Excuse my flippancy. Hadn't read the locked thread.....but I can see why it became necessary. Locking a thread sends a signal to those that like to get the boot in. Unfortunately it does not stop them from starting a new one on the same subject. I guess the SinBin awaits them then if they are not already in it?

[ManDownUnder]

To clarify - the thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=27473) I have in mind is about someone with an eating disorder

[SARGE]

i admit that my postings in the ED thread may have been a bit cold and insensitive.. but..i have to say that, for right or wrong.. they are my honest opinion.. i sincerely apologize if i offended anyone or caused any undue hard feelings or mental anguish.. that was not the intent..


yes it is a problem ,, that is not under question.. yes it takes some balls to come forward with it ..and even bigger balls to beat it .. but it is not (in MY opinion) a 'DISEASE'.. like alchoholisn, drug abuse, porn addiction or problem gambling, it starts as a personal choice.. where it goes from there depends on the individual..


be stronger than your brain and the glut of mass-media propaganda and you will come out ok..


kill your television

[Lou Girardin]

I'm sorry, but if you're that sensitive, you should not be revealing certain personal info in public forums.
It's commonsense for God's sake. Not everyone is nice, or even cares.
On the other hand, some posters turn totally feral when cops post. Their reply's have nothing to do with the thread, they're just an excuse to abuse cops.
While the Police as an entity are not my best friends, some of the crap being posted here just pisses me off.
Those people should save their venom for when they're face to face with a cop. But I think they'd then be very polite and 'nice'.

[scumdog]

Those people should save their venom for when they're face to face with a cop. But I think they'd then be very polite and 'nice'.

I should think so - it would be unwise to release you 'venom' to a cop you've never met before and who may have just pulled you over to give you a friendly warning!!

Save you venom for people that actually deserve it.

[Colapop]

I suppose there is justification to having moderators in a forum such as this, but it's up to who to decide what is appropriate subject matter? I would have thought that if a topic was not all that interesting or descended into shit slinging then it would simply just become yestredays news. Why was this subject so offensive that it had to be locked?

On the other hand this is a bikers site and some topics have to be questioned "what is the relevance?". Is it a case of "I am a biker so therefore whatever I talk about or have an interest in, is biker news". Anything posted on an open forum is open to debate and a debate usually in the 'free' world consists of opinions fopr and against.

[Smorg]

I'm sorry, but if you're that sensitive, you should not be revealing certain personal info in public forums.
It's commonsense for God's sake. Not everyone is nice, or even cares.
.


'BLING' Awarded. If your looking for someone to open your heart to I think the last place you should do it is on an open forum where the majority of people are strangers and couldnt give 2 shits about you.
You should be ready to recieve all sorts of reponses.




Cops on the other hand need to take a hard pill. They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society.
If they signed up thinking they were going to be helping old Mrs Jones get across the road maybe they should consider a career change.

[spudchucka]

Cops on the other hand need to take a hard pill. They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society.
If they signed up thinking they were going to be helping old Mrs Jones get across the road maybe they should consider a career change.
Do you see anyone ducking for cover?

[surfchick]

I'm with MDU-
also i don't think there's any hard and fast rules - but in with this particular locked thread the person was obviously getting hurt & it was a good call to back it off. mostly i'm a fan of dog eat dog :chase: mostly - but i understand that it seems like a contradiction given the some of the UBER warfare rark super heated threads of late. but we are a lively sort of a bunch after all.

ps sarge-it's ok we know your a silly bugger:wacko: , but you won't qualify for truely evil bugger yet.:devil2: :bleh:

[scumdog]

'BLING' Awarded. If your looking for someone to open your heart to I think the last place you should do it is on an open forum where the majority of people are strangers and couldnt give 2 shits about you.
You should be ready to recieve all sorts of reponses.

Cops on the other hand need to take a hard pill. They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society.
If they signed up thinking they were going to be helping old Mrs Jones get across the road maybe they should consider a career change.

Yep, post ther initial request on open forum and ask for PMs, save having all the vultures flapping in and stuffing it up.

"They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society" - since when did I get paid anything for dealing with the members of KB????:whistle:

[Smorg]

Do you see anyone ducking for cover?

Not at all......all I am saying is that Im sure they can handle a bit of abuse being thrown at them if they cant then they are in the wrong job:yes:

[Karma]

Well...

Just read the entire thread for the first time... seems a bit of a waste of time posting it up on Kiwibiker.co.nz... especially given the people here, and our tendancy to be blunt.

I agree with Lou... it's a sensitive issue, and shouldn't have been posted here in the the first place if negative feedback wasn't welcome.

This is kiwibiker, not a self help group.

[Colapop]

- since when did I get paid anything for dealing with the members of KB????:whistle:
Every time one of us takes to the road!:laugh:

[C_A]

Well...
*snip*

This is kiwibiker, not a self help group.



true stroy

PUBLIC FORUM = PEOPLES OPINIONS

don't wanna put up with opinions or comments that contrast to your ideal world, don't post that shit in the first place. self censorship you might call it

[Karma]

Indeed....

I actually advocate the opening up process... standing up and saying you've got a problem really is the first step in moving past it... but it's usually a good idea to do that in a secure environment filled with people who have had / still have the same sort of problems.

This is why groups like Alcoholics Anonymous were formed, to get people a secure environment in which to work on their problems.

So whilst I applaud the lady in question for coming out about her problem, I feel that she could have done it in a more appropriate place, and thereby saved herself a lot of stress and bother.

[Smorg]

This is kiwibiker, not a self help group.


Hi I'm Smorgen Im a victim of the disease "syphilis" know me before you judge me.

I want to talk to people who have previous experience in dealing with this horrible afflicition

[enigma51]

Cops on the other hand need to take a hard pill. They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society.


At the right place then :Pokey: :corn:

[Goblin]

Hi, I'm Goblin and I am addicted to motorbikes....and KB:grouphug:






I will shut up & leave now.

[Smorg]

At the right place then :Pokey: :corn:


haha yeah for sure mate:devil2:

[SARGE]

ps sarge-it's ok we know your a silly bugger:wacko: , but you won't qualify for truely evil bugger yet.:devil2: :bleh:



evil isnt black n white Surfy

[Karma]

evil isnt black n white Surfy

You not seen Sin City?

[SARGE]

You not seen Sin City?


yea i did ...



those guys were wussies

[Smorg]

yea i did ...



those guys were wussies


Maybe thats where i got my syphilis from.....................


oh........ you said "wussies" my bad:blank:

[Lou Girardin]

"They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society" - since when did I get paid anything for dealing with the members of KB????:whistle:

You do it for love. Ya sad old fart.

[marty]

i dunno about being a sissy when his penis was nailed to the table....

[marty]

"They are paid for dealing with the scum and dregs of society"

maybe some kbers are represented in this demograph?

[Smorg]

maybe some kbers are represented in this demograph?


thats my quote!!!!! Copyright infringement :angry2:

[mstriumph]

as enthralling as all this banter about skewered penises undoubtably is ... back to the topic fellas!


i read the thread - it was boring
i thought that posting it here was inappropriate - but hey, its an open forum

.... now, before the bleeding-heart brigade start thowing things at me, please remember that i'm normally first in defending the helpless .....

but in this instance, i'm with you, sarge ......... over/under eating MAY be a problem, but its a self-inflicted one

[and bleeding about it in public ain't gonna help matters as the reaction to the thread proved....]:corn:

[SARGE]

what cracks me up is the 100 post 3 rep point members who let me know thier displeasure with a grey rep point...



then i turn it back on them and get a crybaby PM bitching about the fact that i just erased all thier green.....:crybaby: :finger:

[Smorg]

what cracks me up is the 100 post 3 rep point members who let me know thier displeasure with a grey rep point...



then i turn it back on them and get a crybaby PM bitching about the fact that i just erased all thier green.....:crybaby: :finger:


You can erase mine, I promise i'll send you 2 crybaby PM's

[SARGE]

You can erase mine, I promise i'll send you 2 crybaby PM's


i already get plenty thanks ..:brick:

[Ixion]

If you all really want to have a sociological discussion about eating disorders, I'll copy the non-personal posts in a new thread for you.

Wonder if someone posted about their fight with cancer or heart disease they'd get the same response?

After all the fitness nazis keep telling me that heart disease and high blood pressure are caused by a bad life style.

Biker with a problem being slagged off by other bikers is never a good look.

[Mental Trousers]

I gave up on that thread after the first 1/2 dozen replies. Sorry see it went the way I thought it would. It's an issue that shouldn't turn to shit like that.

[N4CR]

Lucky I'm never going to be a mod. I would have closed this just for the title. Just dooooooo iiiit!

I do think that threads are being locked a little too much though, why not just let it fizzle out by itself in PD?

[SARGE]

Wonder if someone posted about their fight with cancer or heart disease they'd get the same response?

After all the fitness nazis keep telling me that heart disease and high blood pressure are caused by a bad life style.



No Ixion, they wouldnt get the same response.. you cannot choose whether or not you get those.. yes they are caused by a lifestyle choice, but all the namby-pamby feelgood therapy sessions are not going to get you through them.... they are true physical diseases.. not a mental malfunction like ED's, addiction or depression..


people who bin make a life-shanging lifestyle choice also..


thats a whole other thread though..

[Ixion]

Perhaps not. I don't know much about eating disorders , or anything of that nature. Only thing I've ever been addicted to is biking. Which is why I kept quiet in the original thread, being as how I had nothign to contribute.

But I do know if a mate is hurting (and I'll class all bikers as mates until they prove otherwise), I'll do what I can to help him or her. Don't really care to stand in judgement over others, so I'll help if I can, whatever the cause. If I can't help I'll keep out the way and leave it others who, hopefully can.

[Motu]

Oh,you can be soooo one eyed at times Sarge!

[ManDownUnder]

[quote=SARGE]No Ixion, they wouldnt get the same response.. you cannot choose whether or not you get those.. yes they are caused by a lifestyle choice, but all the namby-pamby feelgood therapy sessions are not going to get you through them.... they are true physical diseases.. not a mental malfunction like ED's, addiction or depression.. [\quote]

Mate - gotta disagree with you on this one... not even close...

[SARGE]

Oh,you can be soooo one eyed at times Sarge!


one eye'd? MEEEEEEE???



i was running with sizzors... really...




Mate - gotta disagree with you on this one... not even close...


ok... great.. you have and ED and you fight for control over it and win.. that, as i have said before.. takes guts and willpower and all that ..big ups to someone who can get back to normal after wrecking their health like that ..


i smoke.. have smoked for 30 years.. i tried quitting ... many times.. no joy.. does that mean that i have a disease because i cant kick the cigs?..im killing myself,, same as an addict or someone with ED's.. but who is going to 'cure' me of my illness?..


me

im the only one who knows how to do it. im the only one who can make that conscious decision to kick the cigs and start being """NORMAL"""..


the human mind is a scary bit of gray goo

[SwanTiger]

Shazzgirl who created that Eating Disorder thread from my point of view was not looking for help, just other people who had/have the same problem to talk with.

I have an eating disorder, just like Sarge.

My heart bleedeth purple piss.

[WINJA]

Courtesy lads, courtesy. And sensitivity. Cops we may assume are fairly tough buggers, not too emotionally fragile.

But, if a cop asked for posting to stop in a thread that said cop had started, cos the slagging was getting too much to deal with, I'd lock it. Assuming that people didn't have the decency to respect the wishes of the thread starter, and affected person.

Maybe everyone isn't a rough tough biker. Bikings none the worse for having a few gentler and more sensitive types involved. Just means having a bit of consideration for other peoples feelings , eh?
POOF...........

[surfchick]

evil isnt black n white Surfy
you're telling me! the guise of true evil is road kill in an inconvenient spot on a corner in the waitakere's...:devil2:
i still think of you every time i see a flat teddie...make sure i drive around those li'll greasy flat fluffy buggers

[SwanTiger]

POOF...........

Watch your language old fella, put a picture of your dog as your profile pic and try call someone a poof again. :shake:

[Cookie]

I am with you almost all of the way here Sarge. :)

Ixion - I think you are damned if you do and damned if you don't close a thread like the original one.

1. There is clearly a topic or two, just ripe for a good KB-style discussion here. Yes, why not kick off a new thread like maybe "1 in 5 NZ'ders Has A Mental Illness - Bullshit or Not?". I am sure others have some good suggestions.

2. The OP did not seem to realise what she was stepping into here and as it was a fairly raw and recent issue for her, it was probably the kindest thing to let the original discussion drop.

But of course that does not mean there is not a lot to discuss in this area for those of us who enjoy a bit of off-topic ranting. If you start another general thread and I'll be in for a post or two!

[GR81]

3. If I was to be threatend on the "internet"....... do i even need to finish that? Stick and Stones will break my bones but 01010101110010101010111 will never hurt me:weird:
e-thugs are funny!
they used to crack me up when i was running the nzhondas.com forums lol

[Maha]

Thread starter Shazzy posted twice i think from memory?, it was everyone else having a go at the pre-poster or whoever....point is, this is what posting and threads are all about, say what you want right?...i do, within reason, dont set out to make people cry, i will certainly get into some on here cos they deserve it but all in jest. Marty was the thread starter here and has posted 3 times at last count 3/50.......so it becomes everyone's thread, freedom of speech, guess Shazzy should have eaten those first words, but she had the right to say what she feels....... i may have missed the whole point i think not.....:sleep:

[surfchick]

Ixion - I think you are damned if you do and damned if you don't close a thread like the original one.


Amen:niceone:

[mstriumph]

If you all really want to have a sociological discussion about eating disorders, I'll copy the non-personal posts in a new thread for you.

Wonder if someone posted about their fight with cancer or heart disease they'd get the same response?

After all the fitness nazis keep telling me that heart disease and high blood pressure are caused by a bad life style.

Biker with a problem being slagged off by other bikers is never a good look.
i respect you fella ..... admire your posts

but no -
cancer? heart disease? definately NOT proven as a lifestyle choice
------ and this poster? biker? mebbe ................. but irrespective i'll stick by this is NOT the forum for this post

in the BEST light, this is inappropriate
in a lesser light, it's a 'poor me'
nothing good could come from either

my honest 2c

sorry

[mstriumph]

Perhaps not. I don't know much about eating disorders , or anything of that nature. Only thing I've ever been addicted to is biking. Which is why I kept quiet in the original thread, being as how I had nothign to contribute............

i love your honesty
this is NOT a p/t

ok - if we are to apportion blame here, let's put it SQUARELY where it belongs ---------- on the ADVERTISING COMPANIES who portray a totally unatainable standard of female pulchitrude for most normal women/girls

our 'herd instinct' and desire to conform do the rest :crybaby:

when i see a magazine cover featuring a retouched pic of a 12 year old in full make-up it don't bother me

if i were in my twenties, thirties, forties - mebbe it would make me feel inadequate --- and THAT IS WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO

i am lucky, i guess

so is my daughter - because i have encouraged in her a feeling of self-worth that has nothing to do with fashionable appearance

but we are NOT mainstream

advertising - the new satan
trust me on this :corn:

[scumdog]

if i were in my twenties, thirties, forties - mebbe it would make me feel inadequate --- and THAT IS WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO

i am lucky, i guess

so is my daughter - because i have encouraged in her a feeling of self-worth that has nothing to do with fashionable appearance

but we are NOT mainstream

advertising - the new satan
trust me on this :corn:

Too true - the ads are so easily accepted by teenagers.

Me? I buy it/wear it/ride it because I WANT to - not because some ad tells me I'll be cooler, that I NEED it or whatever.

Fashion? Just ask anybody who knows me how much I follow fashion/trends.

[Indoo]

It does piss me off somewhat when people mock these 'disorders' as something that can just be corrected by a snap of common sense and as if telling them to 'harden' up instantly solves the problem.

To the people involved they are much more than that and often stem from deeper pych problems or imbalances, when you just dismiss them and ridicule them it doesn't exactly help things. I'm quite sure they have heard the same lines from many different people in the past.

My Brother killed himself a couple of years ago as a result of a mental disorder, kinda similar to this. He was absolutely brilliant but as it turned out totally troubled. I don't think we can understand or even remotely comprehend what people with these mental problems go through and nor should we judge them on it, unless we have a clue what they are facing.

A bit of understanding goes along way and personally I'm glad the moderators take that stance.

[SwanTiger]

My Brother killed himself a couple of years ago as a result of a mental disorder, kinda similar to this. He was absolutely brilliant but as it turned out totally troubled. I don't think we can understand or even remotely comprehend what people with these mental problems go through and nor should we judge them on it, unless we have a clue what they are facing.


Despite what you may think of ones opinion it is inappropriate for you to judge that person based on that - as others on this forum have done.

Inlight of the fact I stirred up a few people in the eating disorder thread, would you of believed that I have experienced mental disabilities? Probably not and that is where you become your own worst enemy.

"Know me before you judge me"

They wont give me a gun license but the Army accepted me so go figure.

Enough of the political correctness shit too. Get off your high horses and enter the real world where people suffer, bleed and die every second of the day.

I could write a fucken story about those numb skull social welfare case workers. I feel sorry for anyone with a mental dissability who relys on them for support. Shape up, deal with it and move on or blow your brains out.

Sorry for the lack of senstivity, but 90% of organisations and people there who are suppose to help just foster the deseases.

I'm allowed an opinion. I'll introduce you to my shrink I had if you're going to tell me I'm an arsehole with no "understanding".

My 2 cents.

[Indoo]

Nah mate I'm not singing slogans or anything like that....

All I know is a few days prior I was chatting to my brother as per normal, nothing was out of the ordinary and we had a good talk.

Next thing that i can remember, my parents are banging on my window at
6 am in the morning and I found out he hung himself.

I'm not being pc at all, thats what happened to me and thats all I can say. If you want to consider mental disorders and probs to be a joke than thats up to you.

[Indoo]

On the other hand, some posters turn totally feral when cops post. Their reply's have nothing to do with the thread, they're just an excuse to abuse cops.
While the Police as an entity are not my best friends, some of the crap being posted here just pisses me off.
Those people should save their venom for when they're face to face with a cop. But I think they'd then be very polite and 'nice'.

Thats a couple of times we have agreed Lou in a matter of days, snap out of it please.

[SwanTiger]

Next thing that i can remember, my parents are banging on my window at
6 am in the morning and I found out he hung himself.

Aren't brothers wonderful. When I was younger and living at home my brother would wait until I went to bed then come into my room and drop the smelliest fucken fart imaginable, shut the door and leave.

Sorry to hear of your loss dude. Your brother is probably happier now.



I'm not being pc at all, thats what happened to me and thats all I can say. If you want to consider mental disorders and probs to be a joke than thats up to you.

Sorry, actually made the mistake of quoting you when everything I said was directed at a few other people who have replied to this thread. Consider it lazyness and my apology for any misconception.

[SixPackBack]

Yup thats me 15 wasted years, countless thousands of dollars, Family suffering, Doctors, Psychiatrists the whole shabang.
How did I stop?
I HARDENED UP.
Sorry to those I offend but the solution to problems such as mentioned are so simple a 4 year old knows the solution.
Take drugs..stop
Cut yourself...stop, it stains the carpet
Skinny...eat
My addiction has had me through the wringer and in the end the only person that could help me was me..everything else was self serving pity that made the problem worse.