PETROL No, not the bloody price.......

[grego]

It is info about the storage of petrol i am after.
Last year , coming back into the 2 wheel -fun I had a little 4cyl Honda which was forever a pig to start. The bike shop, after doing all the usual, told me what a load of crapp the petrol was today and suggested I put little expensiv orange pill into the tank everytime I gas up. Suggested that the petrol would turn into some sort of Gello otherwise, even after 2 , 3 weeks.

Just got my new bike back after being off the road for 10 weeks after crash. This time the same Bike shop reckoned the fuel in the tank would still be good.

So, what gives ????

How long is fuel ok inside yer tank if you don't use the bike a lot, just on a sunny day, ( he he he .....shudduppp!)

No speculations here guys, I need facts.

[bugjuice]

I think fuel is ok for a month or so.. then after a couple, it starts going downhill.. 10 weeks should be ok if you ride to a gas station and get some fresh stuff in

this might help (and google it)
http://www.alpharubicon.com/altenergy/gaslifepal.htm

[Motu]

The fuel in the carbs goes off pretty quick - I either run the carbs dry before I park it,or drain them before restart.Stuff in the tank takes longer to go off,maybe 6 mths before it might give trouble.

[grego]

The fuel in the carbs goes off pretty quick - I either run the carbs dry before I park it,or drain them before restart.Stuff in the tank takes longer to go off,maybe 6 mths before it might give trouble.

when I suggested to empty the carbs the mechanic told me this would be unwise because when dry, the rubber O-rings would get briddle, shrink and /or crack ???????

[grego]

I think fuel is ok for a month or so.. then after a couple, it starts going downhill.. 10 weeks should be ok if you ride to a gas station and get some fresh stuff in

this might help (and google it)
http://www.alpharubicon.com/altenergy/gaslifepal.htm

I used to have a chainsaw that lived on a shelf in the shed.
Whenever I needed it, I took it down, yanked the wee string and it always started. Job done, up on the shelf she went. Used to last for years. When the new ""Stinkypoo-aromatics"" came in , the wee Husky just about leaned over and died. It was a pig to start from then on in.

[sunhuntin]

not sure how long fuel lasts for.....should last longer than a week, at least? i filled scuffy in otaki after a run from wanganui and she sat for a week, being started once and ran sweet as sugar when time came to go home.
with the old gn, though, she was often a mongrel to start, specially when it was cold and shed been out in the weather. but there might have been crap in the tank/carbs that caused that....might be the problem with your older bike?

[myvice]

Use race gas, should be a cheaper option in a week or so...

[Brett]

I have been thinking that myself...time to ran race fuel. Worrie dit may damage the engine tho...

[motelbob]

Ive left petrol sitting in my boat for 5 months and its fired up and run no worries.I think the stories about petrol gping off after 6 weeks were invented by mechanics who didnt know what the problem was and needed something to blame ,

[Jackrat]

Ive left petrol sitting in my boat for 5 months and its fired up and run no worries.I think the stories about petrol gping off after 6 weeks were invented by mechanics who didnt know what the problem was and needed something to blame ,

Yep,same here.
Left it in the tote tank for up to 8 months.
All I,ve ever done is pull the plug,turn her over a couple of times,put the plug back an we're in bussiness.Maybe 2 stroke lasts longer;)

[The Stranger]

when I suggested to empty the carbs the mechanic told me this would be unwise because when dry, the rubber O-rings would get briddle, shrink and /or crack ???????

Hmm, My 4 stroke outboard (Honda naturally) the manual says that if the motor is to sit for any lenght of time I should disconnect the fuel line, run the carb's dry and sore it like that.

[Wonko]

I would be more worried about the battery going flat than the gas going off. I have had cars that have been 4 months of sitting around start after being wound over for a minute. My thinking is that the petrol in th gas lines/ carbs had slowly evaporated and that it just needed gas to be pumped along the line. The bike started after 5 weeks no problem.

[sunhuntin]

my brothers harley has been sitting since 2004....started very little....same fuel as was in there when it got stored. apparently dad started it yesterday [i wasnt home] and she must have gone ok. so thats roughly 2004 that fuels been in that tank. dunno how shed run on the road with gas that old though. she hasnt seen a road since 2004.

[iwilde]

I left my Fairmont in the garage for three yrs with $20 in the tank. When I sold it, it fired up first time and ran perfect after the lifters got some oil!

[scumdog]

My old iron Sportster use to spit the dummy if I left it sitting for a month or so, had to drain the tank and/or add heaps of new fuel before it would fire up, having said that it was back when they were switching to unleaded, things are better now.

But the fuel is still no good in high-comp. vehicles that use to run o.k. on the leaded super.

[Stevo]

Every motor is soooooo different
I have had two stroke motors like tiny ones on brush cutter that was so temperamental it would only run on fresh 96. Yet the Stihl chainsaw fires up no troubles on 91 that's been sitting round a while.
Four strokers I have never experienced any fuel problems. But the race quad certainly has some punch with avgas. Can only use avgas now I have high comp piston in it.

[Motu]

My old Ford 10 would sit around for so long that the fuel would go off and smell like turps,it would feel greasy and not evaporate.It was 6 volt and couldn't jump it,so I'd hand crank it and she'd fire up no worries,run for a few minutes on 3 cyl until the sticky valve came free,then I'd drive off.

If my bikes sit for more than 3 or 4 weeks I have to drain the carbs and run fresh from the tank through before they start.Usualy I run the bowls dry before I put them away,same as the mower,but sometimes forget.Race fuel will start 6mths later without draining the carbs.

Sorry,I just made all that up because I'm a mechanic....can't help it,I was born that way....

[T.I.E]

Where do i get race fuel from?
i am having problems with diesel at the moment, the ute has been suffering with a bad dose from BP, gull has the best diesel around ( so the mechanic told me )
and when storeing fuel and life expectancy, how long has it been sitting in the fuel tanks at the station? mixing with older fuels?
diesel lasts ages in storage.
maybe these new fuels are more of a pain in the ass. but it smells better???????

[Pixie]

My TS 185 started after 5 kicks,after sitting for 10 years
Beat that.

[.produKt]

Where do i get race fuel from?
i am having problems with diesel at the moment, the ute has been suffering with a bad dose from BP, gull has the best diesel around ( so the mechanic told me )
and when storeing fuel and life expectancy, how long has it been sitting in the fuel tanks at the station?

I think that when we refer to racegas, its normally 108 (or 118??) octane petroleum... Not diesel.
Cant say i've heard of race diesel :D

[Stevo]

I think that when we refer to racegas, its normally 108 (or 118??) octane petroleum... Not diesel.
Cant say i've heard of race diesel :D
Racegas that you can buy at the pump is 98. Some retailers have 100 octane avgas (which sometimes you can be required to show a race licence for).



Where do i get race fuel from?
i am having problems with diesel at the moment, the ute has been suffering with a bad dose from BP, gull has the best diesel around ( so the mechanic told me )
and when storeing fuel and life expectancy, how long has it been sitting in the fuel tanks at the station? mixing with older fuels?
diesel lasts ages in storage.
maybe these new fuels are more of a pain in the ass. but it smells better???????

I have a sneaking suspicion that race gas won't do too much for your diesel son. Don't suppose your mechanic works at Gull by any chance? :rofl:

[crashe]

On both occassions that my bike has sat for 8 weeks.... the petrol was fine.

1st occassion - I filled up the tank to the top and started her up weekly. I did this cos I knew that I wasn't going to riding her for that length of time. I never had a problem at all.

2nd occassion - The tank was damn near empty (from my accident), but fired her up weekly. Only on one occassion did she stumble over starting.. so I waited 10 minutes and tried again... she fired up straight away. So I guess I had flooded her... first time to ever do that - was also getting a tad worried that the battery was going to go flat as well. As soon as I was able to (after 7 weeks) I took her to the BP garage and refilled up her belly to the top. Just to clear out the fuel as the tank was almost empty.

So all I can suggest that if you are going to leave a bike sitting for up to at least 2 months then fill up the tank to the top and start her up at least once a week for a few minutes.

Oh and my car, well it sat for at least 7 or 8 weeks (including the 5 weeks that I was unable to drive her) and she started up no sweat...
Mind you she is used to sitting out on the driveway for weeks on end not going anywhere..

[T.I.E]

I think that when we refer to racegas, its normally 108 (or 118??) octane petroleum... Not diesel.
Cant say i've heard of race diesel :D

oh are you serious????

na ya just misread, but man i'm offended. diesel is racegas oh please.

sorry next time i will becareful what i write.

[T.I.E]

Racegas that you can buy at the pump is 98. Some retailers have 100 octane avgas (which sometimes you can be required to show a race licence for).



I have a sneaking suspicion that race gas won't do too much for your diesel son. Don't suppose your mechanic works at Gull by any chance? :rofl:


and you too try re reading the post again will ya???

i'm offended. do i have to be that careful when writing shit????

ok son i'm older than you.

[.produKt]

lol lets have a fight :D

Its this line mate "Where do i get race fuel from?
i am having problems with diesel at the moment, the ute has been suffering with a bad dose from BP, gull has the best diesel around ( so the mechanic told me )" That really does suggest you want to put Racegas in your Diesel powered ute :)
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[T.I.E]

lol lets have a fight :D

Its this line mate "Where do i get race fuel from?
i am having problems with diesel at the moment, the ute has been suffering with a bad dose from BP, gull has the best diesel around ( so the mechanic told me )" That really does suggest you want to put Racegas in your Diesel powered ute :)
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Please put your text based flamethrowers away :)

thats why i hate the written language, it can be misinterpreted.(spelling don't help)
but come one diesel as race fuel???
yeah i fill bike bike with milk all the time ( now i am being sarcastic)

[.produKt]

lol :rofl: :spudwow:

Filling your bike with milk?..... You must be a green Party member in a Genius disguise :not: :rofl: :rolleyes:



*sings* Stirrin the pot, oohh stirring the pot... only when its hot , i love to stir the pot :D

Haha maybe this has all gone too far but its still good for a laugh:D:D

[Stevo]

Where do i get race fuel from?

I get my race fuel (avgas) from the local BP. They have it out back, also one motorcycle dealer has it or apparently you can go to the aerodrome and get it even cheaper. But by the time I drive all the way out there I believe it'd cost more than I am saving.
BUT................ last month I bought some avgas at Ruapuna Raceway, and shit a brick it was $2.25/litre!!!!!!!!!!! :gob: Far out! :eek5: The BP sells it here for $1.80/litre. Only they had run out the night I was heading to Chch. That is a difference of $9 for 20 litres!! Think I am gonna take some drums of avgas out to Ruapuna next time and sell for $2/litre. Help my racing funds, :rofl:

I guess it pays to shop around. I now know where not to buy avgas!

[JT.]

'Race gas' is just Av gas that has passed its due by date. I think there is also a minimum octane rating before it cannot be sold for aviation use, over time this decreases. If you know someone with a fuel card for the aero club they are a good friend in deed, you get the good stuff that way.

Dang, I remember racing at ruapuna about a year ago and it was $1.45

Is it caltex or challenge just north of the waimak on the old main north road, They sell 'race gas' at the pump.

Haven't seen 98 at the pumps for a while, have they stocked up in CHCH with it yet? Haven't seen anywhere in dunners with it.

[Stevo]

'Race gas' is just Av gas that has passed its due by date. I think there is also a minimum octane rating before it cannot be sold for aviation use, over time this decreases. If you know someone with a fuel card for the aero club they are a good friend in deed, you get the good stuff that way.

Dang, I remember racing at ruapuna about a year ago and it was $1.45

Is it caltex or challenge just north of the waimak on the old main north road, They sell 'race gas' at the pump.

Haven't seen 98 at the pumps for a while, have they stocked up in CHCH with it yet? Haven't seen anywhere in dunners with it.
Apparently there is somewhere else in Chch. I know that the service station here just goes out to the local airfield to get it's avgas
As fresh as the stuff that goes in the planes like.
I think BPs are the most common servo with 98 octane

[Brian d marge]

Ahh gasoline ,,its all a mixture of different stuff designed to do different things , and a engine designer will design an Engine for the gas e.g the cbr 250 , high reving small chambers, uses 91 in the current singapore form ( or were ever its distilled )as 98 ?? or what ever is called will leave deposits on the plug ,,ie not get hot enough , quick enough
Summer winter , its different gas ..the volitiles are different ( now this is a quick reply as I have some drinking to do )

Soo, If you fill the gas tank up to the to ..the ONLY place the volitiles have to go is through a wee tiny hole in the gas cap ..ie takes a long time , but it will happen.

Carbs have LOVELY big holes,,, vents, jets , screwdriver holes :bash:,,and the volitiles will dissapear real quick ....leaving .....

the heavy stuff that is designed to burn at a higher temp ,,, ,
leave that and you go green , with pond life ,,,, leave that ,,,and you start drilling jets

and in iceland it takes forever, here in the tropics can take a few weeks to a month

Stephen

Oh btw I have never seen a rubber o ring go hard if its in the right environment.

age will do it , vibration will do it chemical attack will do it ..
but gasoline gets blamed for far to many things these days ...oh your bike runs badly , you are using that new unleaded ,,,,* I think there was once in NZ when they changed refineries , to maybe singapore and the blend wasnt suited to NZ older fleet ,and yes there were isolated cases ,,,

[Stevo]

Ahh gasoline ,,its all a mixture of different stuff designed to do different things , and a engine designer will design an Engine for the gas e.g the cbr 250 , high reving small chambers, uses 91 in the current singapore form ( or were ever its distilled )as 98 ?? or what ever is called will leave deposits on the plug ,,ie not get hot enough , quick enough
Summer winter , its different gas ..the volitiles are different ( now this is a quick reply as I have some drinking to do )

Soo, If you fill the gas tank up to the to ..the ONLY place the volitiles have to go is through a wee tiny hole in the gas cap ..ie takes a long time , but it will happen.

Carbs have LOVELY big holes,,, vents, jets , screwdriver holes :bash:,,and the volitiles will dissapear real quick ....leaving .....

the heavy stuff that is designed to burn at a higher temp ,,, ,
leave that and you go green , with pond life ,,,, leave that ,,,and you start drilling jets

and in iceland it takes forever, here in the tropics can take a few weeks to a month

Stephen

Oh btw I have never seen a rubber o ring go hard if its in the right environment.

age will do it , vibration will do it chemical attack will do it ..
but gasoline gets blamed for far to many things these days ...oh your bike runs badly , you are using that new unleaded ,,,,* I think there was once in NZ when they changed refineries , to maybe singapore and the blend wasnt suited to NZ older fleet ,and yes there were isolated cases ,,,
You're right, BUT I went out to the trusty old Stihl today, had been on the shelf for 4 weeks with 1/4 tank of gas in it. Filled it up with the same fuel I mixed 4 weeks ago. Away she went for and hour and a half till it was time for lunch. I like the fact that that when you buy a quality engineered product that they are tolerant of the fuel you feed them etc.

[Stevo]

Actually I threw a 5 litre can of fuel into the old (7500 hrs on the clock now) Honda 300 farm quad cos I wasn't sure if it was 2 stroke mix or not. Normally the can is reserved for the chainsaw but better to put 2 stroke mix in the bike than straight fuel in the saw.

Bike didn't seem to blow much smoke, so maybe it was straight petrol???