Beginners' guide to runners

[madboy]

Okay, this is not a thread to debate the merits or otherwise of what is by all accounts a very illegal and somewhat dangerous activity. It's freedom of speech, no bugger forced you to read any of this.

Since I seem to be one of the few (and for good reason) who publicly admit they have engaged in this activity, it seems that people think I know a thing or two about the topic. And judging by some of the ill-informed bollocks I've seen floating around, I guess I just might. So here's a thread passing on the wisdom that I've gathered over the years. I'm not saying it's all from personal experience, I'm just saying it's as close to the facts as I can gather. I'm not the expert, I'm just sharing the knowledge. Take from it what you will.

Firstly, before you even think about engaging in this sort of activity - think very carefully about the consequences. Having a good story to share with the boys is one thing, but having a court appearance in your hospital bed is NOT a good story. The minimum I've had when caught was failing to stop for red and blues. $350 + court costs and 35 demerits. The most I've had was dangerous driving, failing to stop and driving while disq. I got 15 months on top of my 3 month demerit point disqualification, plus 3 months PD. It meant I had to not get caught driving for 18 months before I could resit my license again - from scratch. Now add some legal fees, imagine if I had a job riding on that license and you can easily see it adding up. And neither of those chases involved anyone getting hurt. You just wait and see what the judge will say about that.

Secondly, do you have the balls to do a runner? I'm not saying that real men do runners or anything like that. What I'm saying, is can you do what it takes to get away? You might need to run red lights, lanesplit at VERY high speed, cut into oncoming traffic, pass in some very marginal places. Do you have the bottle to do this? Many don't, and I respect those individuals. But if you're not prepared to do this, it narrows your escape options.

Now, if you've done the soul searching and still want to do this sorta thing, then read on.

The aim of a runner is to avoid getting caught for whatever it is you've done to attract the attention of the 5-0. That means you have to a) get to your "safe place", and b) not be identified. The key in doing both of these is to minimise your risks.

So smokey has lit up the red and blues in his overweight underpowered supercharged taxi, and is hoping the gixxer thou that cruised past him at 160 will pull over and the rider will have his leathers around his ankles ready for some road safety advice.

Adrenaline - a hell of a rush, but this is your enemy. Can you control your adrenaline to make sure you're gonna make the right decisions from start to finish?

Road conditions - it's 3.10pm and you're approaching school zones. The jury in your manslaughter trial won't be too interested in you trying to avoid a $400 ticket. Wind, road works up ahead, rain, pillion, traffic... the list goes on. Is now the right time to be running?

Bike - what condition is the bike in? Did you melt the pads at the last track day and you're nana-ing it until payday? Are you 5ks off reserve? Does that wheel balance get nasty at 200k? This list goes on too.

Escape route - where is your primary destination now? Can you get there? What if the main route is blocked? Do you know the side roads well enough?

You've spent the 1.3 seconds to analyse the above and your decision is to run.

1. Put the hammer down - lose the car fast. Not hard, power to weight is your friend.
2. Once you've lost 'em, slow down a bit. Leave yourself as much safety margin as you can. Chances are you will need to keep the pace high, because the pigs generally don't pull out until they've completely lost you, but crashing is an instant bust.
3. You can't outrun the radio. You can outrun the car behind you. And you can outrun any of his/her mate's that join in. But one of them might get to the mway offramp, the side street, wherever it is that you are heading, before you do. The other side to this is, there are only so many cops to go around. If they're all busy, or miles away, then they can't help out their chum.
4. Be prepared to go to Plan B. And while you're switching to plan B, make sure you've got Plan D nailed down, in case Plan B and C get blocked too.
5. Cops don't necessarily play fair. Some will follow you into oncoming traffic at 200k, they will lie to comms about your activities and the speeds involved, and they might even try and punt you off the bike if given the chance. Comms can't tell them to discontinue the pursuit if they don't know what's happening. I'm not saying all cops are like this, but at 260k you don't wanna be guessing about whether the cops will be playing by the rules or not.
6. If you're on the mway, get off it as soon as you can. Mways can be blocked easily. Mways may also have cameras.
7. You see a cop car stopped on the side of the road ahead. He's not blocking the road. Is he there to cheer you on, or is he waiting to put the spikes out in front of you? I'd try and get as far away from him as possible. If that means another side street, footpath or even u-turn.
8. If you're in Auckland, one word - EAGLE. You fancy your chances against a helicopter? Good luck, let me know how you get on. Best bet I reckon is to pray that it's not available to join in.
9. Identification. If you're running with a plate visible, just remember that cops are not the only people on the road who can read. The car you just split past at 200k can, as can the old lady you just cut up on your way through the wrong side of a roundabout. Cops aren't rocket scientists, but they can put 2+2 together. If they get a call about some biker cutting up cars 5k down the road from where they just lost another biker, hmmm... that = 4.
10. You've got away and you're now on the home stretch, into your own neighbourhood. Pretty soon the bike will be locked in the garage, your leathers will be stowed in the attic and you'll be in the shower. But as in No. 9, if you come rocking through your neighbourhood at 150k, that might be the straw that makes the young woman next door ring the cops and complain about that mad biker next door who keeps zooming up and down the street trying to run over her kids. Again, that = 4.

Another thing to the identification item. If you're running a flash coloured race replica that's instantly recognisable and very rare - do you think hiding your plate will help? Likewise if you've got a beautiful set of yellow leathers with Rossi across the back and a flouro coloured helmet. Think about that.

Scanners can help, but they can also hinder. I did a runner from a delta unit years ago. I flew up to the roundabout knowing I'd dealt to delta, and there were no units anywhere between where I was and my home a few kays away. As I came into the roundabout I checked left, and there was the crime car - detectives in a mufti falcon. They hadn't called in their position. So I had little choice but to sit and wait for the wrath of the dog handler.

Some people have suggested carrying items of clothing or tape to alter the appearance of your gear. Some even tell me they've used footpaths, alleys, parks, etc. Most of which probably suit dirt bikes more than road. Each to their own. But each of these comes with a greater risk. You go blatting down some alley and mum walks around the corner pushing a pram?

At the end of the day I personally keep this in the perspective of this - my license and my money. How important is my license and my money to me? Neither of which will help me out much when I'm dead or sitting in a prison cell. If you can do a quick and dirty runner, get outta dodge and it's all over rover with no damage to you, your bike or anyone else - sweet. But if any of those three do get damaged, what was the point of the runner?

Overall, my advice if you're going to do a runner... think carefully. They only need to get lucky once, you need to get lucky EVERY TIME.

Now let the PC brigade bring on the red rep :2guns:

[Dafe]

Geeze Madboy...... You ain't gonna have any material left for your autobiography.

[froggyfrenchman]

Very brave of you to post this....

[GR81]

so much to read :(
please rephrase to 2 sentences or less... or make a dvd copy, thanks :msn-wink:

[Skyryder]

Can't wait to see the local cops on here and what they have to say.

Sounds like you know what you're talking about.

No runners for me. Not worth all the shit if you caught and that's the best case sceniory.


Skyryder

[Krusti]

Take a spare pillion and throw them off into path of pursuing patrol.

Cover ones eyes with hands and rant....they can't see me....worked when I was a kid.

[terbang]

Written with a wit I enjoyed..

[Madness]

But these days I wouldn't entertain the thought. I am too old for that shit, unless I've comitted murder or robbed a bank or something, it just aint worth it to me. Stupid odds - Pain hurts. Pull over and take it :shake: like a man.

Edit: Nicely written though, onya Madboy.

[thealmightytaco]

PC or not, informative and coo'. And in the end it pretty much discourages it dunnit.

Dunnit. Gov'na.

[Racey Rider]

Beginners Guide to Runners

I guess a title like 'Runners for Dummies' didn't have the same ring to it!

[Dont_die_wondering]

i know someone that escaped on his super useing a railway track,take that for stupidity lol

[White trash]

Quite possibly the stupidest fucken post I've ever read on here. If you're not into masturbation, and don't want to tell the world about your "runners" why the fuck would you post them on a public forum?

You're a cock and I wouldn't mind seeing a video coz I think you're so full of shit, you don't have the skills or the balls to take on the cops. I'm pissed off.

Fucken prove me wrong.

[DEATH_INC.]

I think the biggest thing is you gotta loose 'em fast, if you can't, chances they'll get ya, once there's a few involved it's real hard to get away....and don't be too stupid, it's not worth dying.

[Albino]

Nice. To be followed up with:

How to Feel Big While Eating Through A Straw

or

So you Killed a Kid? At Least You're Cool!

[Hitcher]

Now let the PC brigade bring on the red rep
For heaven's sake why? You have just painted a strongly compelling and articulate argument about the folly of "doing a runner".

Call me old fashioned, but I believe that if I ever earn the ire of an ossifer of the law, I am going to get busted. Best fess up pronto and take one's lumps.

[DingDong]

Very entertaining read, all I can say is... choose your moment, running in urban areas... it too dangerous and not for me, on the open road... I'll seriously consider my options.:shifty:

[sels1]

Thats a whole lota info I didnt need to know but thanks for sharing :laugh:

[Timber020]

Another Kiwibiker sent me this via email and asked me to post it-

<Madboy has made some good points

<I think the most important thing about doing a runner is safty.Sure you might get away from that one threat only to find yourself heeving your last breaths after overspeeding a corner and getting your body bent up by a lamp post.Guys that hit the suburbs at high speed to avoid the police deserve to get caught.If I saw you with your hair on fire with a cop on your tail going through where I live,I would probably help the police hunt you down myself,just as I would if you were a boyraca doing the same.>

<Heres my advice,I dont do runners anymore although I now have bikes much better of doing it than ever.I can offer some racing tips though.>

<1,Dont race them,chances are they will win,they have the numbers and alot of opportunity to get you,and you have so many opportunitys to fuck up and if you do its not worth it,its really really not worth it.Think about this now,think about the consaquences now while at your computer.>

<2,Ignore the vehicle your racing and the fact that you are racing,just like when your leading a race, the last thing you want to be thinking about is the machine chasing you.If your thinking about how well he is doing then thats concentration you need to keep your shit together.>

<3,Dont ride any faster than you normally would while racing.Heck ride at 80%, it should still be fast enough to win the race and nobody who crashes in races wins them.Just because your in a race,doesnt turn you into Aaron Slight.Actually it probly makes you less of a rider as your in flee mode, not race mode.>

<4,Your faster in straight lines and in confined areas.Like to narrow for race cars to get through.Your not faster through twisty areas,infact you havent the braking or cornering speed to win this one a twisty track.To race cars keep it on the long and fast tracks like manfield, not like the old taupo track with little other racers.or take them through the pits where race cars are in long lines on the grid waiting to get on the track or moving slowly,you wont have to go faster than usual>

<5,know when your done,better to pull into pit lane early than not finish the race

<6,avoid getting your photo taken while racing.Pit lane may have security cameras and there might be photographers who want payment for publicity shots.you might end up in the paper.sometimes its good to be famous,sometime it isnt.

<7,dont go home after racing,its much nicer after a good track day to go to a friends place to calm down and unwind.

<8,dont take racing litely,it could ruin the rest of your life or someone else.Pick your bike,evaluate your compatition,and see the track conditions are right for you.

[Qkchk]

Interesting read.

People are intitled to their own opinion, so good one for having the balls to open a huge debate.

[Edbear]

Interesting read, well written and quite a few reasons for not trying to do something so silly as a "runner"! Apart from the fact that I don't consider myself to have the necessary skill on the bike, I also tend to be law abiding. I hope your experiences have taught you it's just not worth the risk and aggro from the law. We can get our thrills without undue risk either to ourselves or others if we use that kilo of grey matter upon our shoulders.

[Ducman]

Quite possibly the stupidest fucken post I've ever read on here. If you're not into masturbation, and don't want to tell the world about your "runners" why the fuck would you post them on a public forum?

You're a cock and I wouldn't mind seeing a video coz I think you're so full of shit,

Come on trash settle down. If you read through the post it brings up more reasons not to do a runner than for it.. The decision to run has to be taken quickly and probably without thinking through the consequences, I have to admit I hadn't completely excluded the idea of doing a runner.. until now, put down in black and white it doesn't look so attractive.

[White trash]

Sorry. How's the womans family who got killed when her car was hit by some wanker on a the Triumph failing to stop going to feel about "runners"?

Or the four year old girl killed when a car carreered through a forecourt of a service station. Funny. Seem to remember that being chased by the cops too.

Any WANKER that raves on about how cool he is coz he baits cops and paints his bike so he can be "Ghost riders" wannabe, is just that. A wanker and a wannabe. I have "failed to stop". I don't post about how cool I was for doing it. I certainly didn't bait cops into chasing me, then after they stopped a heap of my "mates" brush it off with a "Sorry, wont happen again" then post this fucken dribble.

I'll take a BMW R1150. You take your ghost rider/try hard Kumandsukme and I'll challenge you on any road/track when suits you. It's neither big nor clever. You ever hurt anyone I know, you better be in a pretty bad state yourself.

(For the record) I couldn't care less who does/doesn't stop for the cops. It's your choice. People that want to wank on about how cool it is give me the shits and deserve the time of day.

[Toast]

Very entertaining read, all I can say is... choose your moment, running in urban areas... it too dangerous and not for me, on the open road... I'll seriously consider my options.:shifty:

Exactly.

If you want to seriously consider doing a runner, you can't let adrenaline get the better of you. You want to be riding at the higher end of your normal, comfortable pace. If this is higher than a bored cop going nutso in his Commie, then you can consider it.

In an urban area, the comfortable, safe-ish pace is lower than out on the open road due to more frequent driveways, parked cars, moving cars, pedestrians, etc.

Basically the cops seem to just ignore all of this shit, so you're at the disadvantage if you run in an urban area. This is why it's very wise to be an extra good kiddie on motorways and in urban areas (although it gets harder to be an angel after a hard day at work), and save the quicker stuff for the safer country roads, or better yet, a racetrack if you're lucky enough to be able to get along there.

[Oscar]

Normally I wouldn't bother reading shit like this because it's the usually illiterate raving of some P fuelled moron, however this post is a dangerous ego fuelled wank by someone who appears to have had (& wasted) a reasonable education...

One of the problems of being a motorcycle enthusiast is that the authorities, other road users and world in general see us as one group.

This really burns me up – now I get to be classed with Accountants who think Harleys make them tough, spotty wankers who think that that the latest sports bikes make up for them being 25 year old virgins, dickhead teenagers riding unmuffled pitbikes through the suburbs, and now: this guy.

Tell you what, Hero-boy – what don’t you do us all a favour and get it over with. Get yerself killed or incarcerated, you’ll get your 100 words on page three and the world will be a better place without you.

You see, then I won’t have to defend the actions of “You Bikers” so much anymore.

Oh, and that footpath you recommended we take to? That’s the one my kids walk to school on, Dickhead.

[OMG]

Good read, and put me right off the idea of doing a runner!

[RantyDave]

How important is my license and my money to me? Neither of which will help me out much when I'm dead or sitting in a prison cell.
Yeah, quite. Having (already) developed an appreciation for the folly of placing the otherwise unemployable in a role of, actually, crucial importance to the functioning of society - i.e. the police - I've decided that runners are very definitely not on my agenda.

The risk of getting caught? The presumably deeply fucking agonising pain of falling off at 200k? What it means to my employers if I'm out of action for three months? (no ego, it's a small company, we can't realistically afford to lose anyone). Nah. My daughter. Partner too, but daughter mainly. She'll have to carry the scars from having her dad die ... no, fucking kill himself ... at four years old. Can you imagine that? Poor thing.

Fucking cops can bust me. Couple of hundred bucks and I'll undoubtedly be rude to them. Again. I might not be able to ride for a year. I'll have to get the bus. I've done it before. Better than robbing my family of their dad, innit?

I just wish shitheads driving while on their cellphones would get the message.

Dave

BTW: We could do well to remember that the police merely enforce laws made by parliament. Sure, they could do to apply some common sense from time to time but the problem, I am afraid, is with the laws themselves.

[Coyote]

spotty wankers who think that that the latest sports bikes make up for them being 25 year old virgins...

Gee, that's depressing. It's not like I chose to be this 'spotty'. It's not like I fucking choose to be ugly and unattractive. The bike is all I've got

Yeah, it's off topic but that just shouldn't be said lightly

[Toast]

BTW: We could do well to remember that the police merely enforce laws made by parliament. Sure, they could do to apply some common sense from time to time but the problem, I am afraid, is with the laws themselves.

This is a horse shit excuse that some cops hide behind. The laws will never, ever be able to account for every possible scenario. Any intelligent person in the law making position should realise this.

The cops should also realise this, and administer the laws with the objective of bringing about justice, NOT with the objective of enforcing the laws. i.e. someone's speed is causing them to put others in an unreasonable and unnecessary amount of danger...NOT: someone is going above a certain speed, fine them, period.

Cops need to be able to do more than 1+1. Some can, some can't. That latter group need their eyes to be opened, a bit of an education may help.

[Ixion]

I guess we'd all do a runner rather than stop and be pinged for 160kph+ *IF* we were certain of getting away with it. It's that question of being certain that gives us pause - "thus conscience doth make cowards of us all ".

But, if I were on a big sprotsbike. And I knew the road. And I knew I was up to lose my licence anyway. ----- I'd stop and take my medicine, cos I'm a Nana.

But, if I knew the cop was going the other way - and would have to wait before he could turn round - and there was slow traffic behind me - and lots of traffic the other way to stop him getting past -- and I'd turned just after he passed me, so he couldn't have got my plate - and the road ahead was clear and conditions good - hm, dunno.

What I'm saying is that it's not whether any of us *would* do a runner. We all would, *if* things were exactly right. It's how much the odds need to be eased in our favour before we'd risk it. Some need better odds than others.For some of us (like me) the odds would have to be so good that realistically they'd never occur. Every man must make his own call on those.

Dodgers, now , that's another matter.

[R6_kid]

tis well written, but its something i wouldnt consider doing...

i think you should take WT up on the challenge at a track, that would be interesting - perhaps the same day as mikey vs zed?

[slowpoke]

The whole thing kinda reminds me of when I was working at Mcdonalds and I decided to stick my dick in the pickle slicer just to see if I could get away with it....








...I didn't get away with it...








...and neither did she, we both got fired, haha

What, not even a chuckle? Lighten up peoples, the post makes a pretty compelling argument to think about it NOW, realise the risk FAR outweighs the reward, so just pull over and take your cavity search as an expression of affection.

[erik]

A thought provoking, interesting and well written post.

It is interesting reading people's reactions to it.

I didn't read it as encouraging people to do runners or making runners sound "cool". If anything it seems to be a fairly factual account of the many things that someone should be aware of before doing a runner. Like Hitcher said, I think the post makes "doing a runner" seem less desireable. I hadn't really thought about doing a runner before (although I admit the speeding ticket I got on the weekend made me think about runners a bit more) and the post highlights many things that I was not aware of which make me even less likely to consider attempting a runner in the future.
I also agree with what Ixion said - that every one of us would do a runner if the conditions were right ("right conditions" being different for different people). It's quite theoretical and means that many people wouldn't do runners as their required conditions may be unrealistic, but it makes sense.

[spudchucka]

Can't wait to see the local cops on here and what they have to say.
Really, I couldn't care less. I didn't even bother reading Madboy's post but it was easy enough to get the gist of it, there's been so many other "I'm the runner king", "Number plates are for nerds" threads in the past that you only have to read the first sentence.

Bottom line is that every dog has his day, you'll win some, you'll lose some.

[cowpoos]

tis well written, but its something i wouldnt consider doing...

i think you should take WT up on the challenge at a track, that would be interesting - perhaps the same day as mikey vs zed?
no contest...WT is fast and madboy ain't...be a fuckin boring race I tell ya...

[justsomeguy]

But, if I knew the cop was going the other way - and would have to wait before he could turn round - and there was slow traffic behind me - and lots of traffic the other way to stop him getting past -- and I'd turned just after he passed me, so he couldn't have got my plate - and the road ahead was clear and conditions good - hm, dunno.

What a wonderfully romantic scenario. How many times in your riding life have you come upon such a lovely set of coincidences??

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For those of you too thick to see what Madboy is saying I guess there is no hope, for the rest I hope you understand the points being made and think very, VERY hard in the "1.3 seconds" you may get to decide what you want to do.

I've personally been in the situation a few times and even tried to do what Madboy talks about. Luckily for me I managed to abandon my foolishness in time and convince the cop that I didn't know he was behind me.

I was in the same situation again twice on Saturday and stopped both times. I could have done a runner, I may have gotten away - I'd give myself a good 10% chance of doing so.

Well, so if I did beat the 9-1 odds against me and did get away - then what?

Well I'd have to create a big enough gap in 5-10 seconds - any longer and I might as well not bother, find a place to hide, remain hidden until I either got sick of waiting or got caught, ride home (200+kms away) hoping that my description was not circulating their networks. Hope like hell I didn't run into those cops again........ the list goes on........ and for what?? - a few hundred dollars and a few months without riding... is it REALLY worth it?

What do most of you'll do for a living? I guess a lot of things.

Let me re-phrase my question.

How many of you'll intent on doing runners received a few years training in doing runners and then spent 8-10 hours a day 40-50 hours a week practicing runners??

Anybody?? If you do - then CONGRATULATIONS!!! You now are just as qualified at doing a runner, as the chap trying to catch you is qualified in catching runners.

I hope you also have a good support network that tell you in real time how far away the cop is, which roads he might use to catch you, if any of his buddies are around and most importantly plan your run away route for you.

But hey what do I know? I can't ride for shit and am the slowest rider out there, you are probably better off doing a runner, he can't catch you, he's only a pig.

[Da Bird]

Thought I would just post this photo I took a few years ago. It was a brand spanking new Kawasaki (ZX9R I think). It doesn't really show the extent of the damage but it was totalled. The rider was pursued (by a colleague) along George Bolt Drive from the airport and decided to exit at Bader Drive, a fairly short off ramp. He was still travelling at warp factor 9 when he exited and came to a smashing stop at the end of the off ramp. Luckily he survived to see court but he could have easily have been taken out by a car or the barrier.

If you are going to run, be absolutely prepared to die because that is a very possible outcome.

[ZeroIndex]

What a wonderfully romantic scenario. How many times in your riding life have you come upon such a lovely set of coincidences??

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For those of you too thick to see what Madboy is saying I guess there is no hope, for the rest I hope you understand the points being made and think very, VERY hard in the "1.3 seconds" you may get to decide what you want to do.

I've personally been in the situation a few times and even tried to do what Madboy talks about. Luckily for me I managed to abandon my foolishness in time and convince the cop that I didn't know he was behind me.

I was in the same situation again twice on Saturday and stopped both times. I could have done a runner, I may have gotten away - I'd give myself a good 10% chance of doing so.

Well, so if I did beat the 9-1 odds against me and did get away - then what?

Well I'd have to create a big enough gap in 5-10 seconds - any longer and I might as well not bother, find a place to hide, remain hidden until I either got sick of waiting or got caught, ride home (200+kms away) hoping that my description was not circulating their networks. Hope like hell I didn't run into those cops again........ the list goes on........ and for what?? - a few hundred dollars and a few months without riding... is it REALLY worth it?

What do most of you'll do for a living? I guess a lot of things.

Let me re-phrase my question.

How many of you'll intent on doing runners received a few years training in doing runners and then spent 8-10 hours a day 40-50 hours a week practicing runners??

Anybody?? If you do - then CONGRATULATIONS!!! You now are just as qualified at doing a runner, as the chap trying to catch you is qualified in catching runners.

I hope you also have a good support network that tell you in real time how far away the cop is, which roads he might use to catch you, if any of his buddies are around and most importantly plan your run away route for you.

But hey what do I know? I can't ride for shit and am the slowest rider out there, you are probably better off doing a runner, he can't catch you, he's only a pig.
very nicely written post..

the only real reason someone should do a runner, is if they have a lot of money, and i'm in their will.. (and they video it like ghostrider) P/T

[Insanity_rules]

I take it that Madboy's post was written with a sense of humor! Strong reaction guys, its good to see the family members have a good strong moral compas.

If I get caught speeding or doing something stupid then I deserve to get caught and will take my punishment. My bike would be hopeless for a runner, its too distinctive (rare and cosmetically modified) and not quite fast enough. Not to mention I'm no Valentino Rossi, I'd probably hit someone!

[sAsLEX]

Or the four year old girl killed when a car carreered through a forecourt of a service station. Funny. Seem to remember that being chased by the cops too.


Quick donation to a kindy fixed that little prob up so he could go back home...

[scumdog]

Quick donation to a kindy fixed that little prob up so he could go back home...

So cynical for one so young - have you ever thought of joining the Police?

[RantyDave]

Quick donation to a kindy fixed that little prob up so he could go back home...
Yeah, I remember that too. It was something like fourty grand wasn't it?

If I'd just smeared a little girl across the wall of a servo - with her dad watching - I'd have absolutely no problem coughing up fourty grand. Could probably make a reasonable case for coughing up ten times the amount based on lost earnings alone.

Little arsehole should have been banged up forever. Instead we got a market rate for getting away with it. F'ks sake.

Dave

[sAsLEX]

If I'd just smeared a little girl across the wall of a servo - with her dad watching - I'd have absolutely no problem coughing up fourty grand. Could probably make a reasonable case for coughing up ten times the amount based on lost earnings alone.


its not the issue over the money its over the fact he dodged punishment by paying a little blood money, and they still drive on our roads and kill people, the dude at Auckland Uni a couple years back that got nailed by someone U turning without looking, I aint worried about Madboy et al taking me out doing some mad runner from the 5-0 there is a very real threat I have to deal with every day that scares me alot more.

[madboy]

Ok, I'm sorry. I guess I need to be more specific for those out there who didn't have a good education and can't read too well. Can they please point out the section of my post that says:
a) I'm the fastest rider on the planet
b) Runners are cool
c) Let's all go do runners

I'm waiting...

Yeah, didn't think so.

[Bend-it]

Yeah... come on... read between the lines, guys...

Spudchuka> If you can't be bothered to read the whole thing, then maybe you shouldn't bother to post an irrelevent reply either eh? Grandma always said, 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth, use them in that proportion. I guess some people don't know what to do with 10 fingers then eh? ;)

[scumdog]

Yeah... come on... read between the lines, guys...

Grandma always said, 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth, use them in that proportion. I guess some people don't know what to do with 10 fingers then eh? ;)

And how are those of us with LESS than 10 fingers expected to fare??:confused:

[White trash]

That's right MB, your post didn't say any of that. Every other "runner" post you've made DID imply it.

There's two types of people. Those that "talk" and those that "do". I've a sneaking suspicion that you're more of the former as you make such a song and dance about it on a public forum. Guess what. You're not "faceless" on the internet. Almost every Wellington KBer knows exactly who you are and a lot know where you live. If you really were responsible for baiting cops even a fraction of how often you say you do, they wouldn't have to look too far to find you.

Bikes are a funny thing. You'll meet the wickedest people riding bikes but for some reason, you'll also meet more than your fair share of shit talkers.

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas that you'd probably be able to swap stories with for hours. You guys should get together.

[NC]

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas that you'd probably be able to swap stories with for hours. You guys should get together.I think they are already best mates:scratch:

[petesmeats]

Ok, I'm sorry. I guess I need to be more specific for those out there who didn't have a good education and can't read too well. Can they please point out the section of my post that says:
a) I'm the fastest rider on the planet
b) Runners are cool
c) Let's all go do runners




I Had a mate once who was the fastest rider on the planet.
He also thought that it was cool to 'outwit' the 5-0
He did decide to do runners.

He has no liscence any more.
Has crashed 3 or 4 times and has pretty nasty scars to show for it.

His first infringement saw him with $1200 to pay. He got community service where he worked for a motorbike shop doing what he loves most... Working on bikes.

This set the tone for the rest of his motorcycling career.

He once ran from a pursuing cop in a town setting travelling at 2.5X the speed limit (on a slow 250cc bike) and got caught... Then let off with a warning.
Police need to be consistent. This episode confirmed for him that he could get away with anything.


He eventually got caught and charged for numerous other crazy things. He was Arrested while at work. Had to pay $500 To be let out of prison and is now paying off $1500ish at $50p/w.

Not to mention the other aspects that his foolish actions (all before he turned 18) caused...

- Never ever will he ever ever get an insurance company that will take him... unless he pays them with gold (by the Kilo)

- He has lifelong scars (and contrary to popular belief, Chicks dont dig knees and elbows covered with huge nasty scars).

- He probably still thinks that he is superman.

- He definately thinks that he is cool for doing all these things.

- He doesnt have a liscence so cant travel for work (as a travelling salesman)


It makes me sad to think that one day, my mate and people like him will be smeared on the road/car/wall. All for the sake of a good story to tell his mates or to try and make him feel like he doesnt have a small penis.

Be careful out there guys.... Noone likes hearing about crashes where people were being stupid. This reflects badly on us as a community.

Ride safe all.

[cowpoos]

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas that you'd probably be able to swap stories with for hours. You guys should get together.

he's got the 06 zx10r now I believe....

[The_Dover]

he's got the 06 zx10r now I believe....

must be a wanker then..:whistle:

[madboy]

So those black helicopters circling my pad really are for me then? Dammit... time to renew my prescription.

[bugjuice]

so reading most of this, my bike probably isn't the best tool for the job?
bein in a mag n all..?

so, who wants to come riding with me now?!

[kickingzebra]

so reading most of this, my bike probably isn't the best tool for the job?
bein in a mag n all..?

so, who wants to come riding with me now?!

I'll come for a ride with you... see if we can get pulled up for doing half the legal speed limit!! and then failing to stop, at quarter the legal speed limit!!

[madboy]

so reading most of this, my bike probably isn't the best tool for the job?
bein in a mag n all..?

so, who wants to come riding with me now?!I don't mind riding with you - does the term "sacrificial lamb" mean anything to you?

Oh it's so easy today... bite you f***ers bite!!

[pritch]

I'm too old for this stuff now, but I did enjoy the post.

The only thing that I can't entirely agree with is that the approach taken is relatively intellectual in nature. In my experience, from many years ago when "I was young and dumb, and staying at home with mum" (to quote Jamie oliver), the decision to run, or not to run, was pretty much made before conscious thoughts intruded.

As the author of the book "Chickenhawk" explained, he named the book thus because one time when the stuff hit the fan they reacted like chickens, the next time they reacted like hawks.

This is the normal "fight or flight" mechanism. One time when you hear the siren you pull up and sit there with your heart pounding. The next time you've maybe whacked it down two gears and grabbed a handful of throttle. Only after that then do the mental processes kick in and by then the decision has pretty much been made.

[Swoop]

Nice post Madboy, it certainly makes you think about the consequences of doing any runner.

If the police did their job of "protecting and serving the community" instead of being puppets of uncle helens treasurer, then the respect they would duly deserve would prevent runners from happening in the first place. Riders (& cagers?) would be less inclined to run and place themselves and others in danger.

The police are doing the jobs that their bosses tell them to do. Their boss is the gubbinment.
The politicians are their to enact the wishes of their bosses - the population.
US

We all need to make an appointment with our local MP, and have a heart-to-heart with that person - because he or she is YOUR representative, and traffic laws need working on...

[rant mode - off]

[Deano]

Oh it's so easy today... bite you f***ers bite!!

Nice troll.

Would have been an informative post but the message boy has no credibility.

Didn't see anything in the post about baiting the cops first ? Changed your MO ?

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh it's so easy today... bite you f***ers bite!!

You do realise that being a try hard doesn't make you cool though, dont you?...

[scumdog]

Nice post Madboy, it certainly makes you think about the consequences of doing any runner.

If the police did their job of "protecting and serving the community" instead of being puppets of uncle helens treasurer, then the respect they would duly deserve would prevent runners from happening in the first place. Riders (& cagers?) would be less inclined to run and place themselves and others in danger.
[rant mode - off]

In the words of The Castle; "Tell 'im he's dreamin"

The slack-jawed playstation set would do a runner regardless - why do you think they try it in a 1983 323 Mazda? because they can 'out-horsepower' and 'outdrive the 05?:tugger:
No, it's just cause they've seen too many DVDs and played to much PS2 to cope with the REAL world (you know, the one where people have to work, the one where people REALLY die -can't press RESET and have another go)
and they certainly have no concept of consequences.
RANT over here too.

[Swoop]

The slack-jawed playstation set would do a runner regardless - why do you think they try it in a 1983 323 Mazda? because they can 'out-horsepower' and 'outdrive the 05?:tugger:
No, it's just cause they've seen too many DVDs and played to much PS2 to cope with the REAL world (you know, the one where people have to work, the one where people REALLY die -can't press RESET and have another go)
and they certainly have no concept of consequences.
Hehe!!

I love watching the emptyheads playing those games. Giggle every time a cage simply bounces off a wall and just keeps going!!
The overdraft generation.....

[750Y]

LOL, madboy you completely forgot the best bit about how after all that.. jessica simpson would be sudsing up the ghostridermobile while you sip on a well deserved coldy.

[madboy]

Didn't see anything in the post about baiting the cops first ? Changed your MO ?Therein lies the problem with some folk on here, they miss the point. One out of how many, and it proves your point? Guess that makes all Maori's dole bludgers, all white folks racist, all germans are responsible for the holocaust, and as for those towelheads...

[Deano]

Therein lies the problem with some folk on here, they miss the point. One out of how many, and it proves your point?

What is the point ?

Bollocks about having the 'bottle' to do a runner ? - oh you da man alright.

Keep talking it up.

Keep on thinking I'm the only one too if it makes you feel better.

[froggyfrenchman]

In the words of The Castle; "Tell 'im he's dreamin"

The slack-jawed playstation set would do a runner regardless - why do you think they try it in a 1983 323 Mazda? because they can 'out-horsepower' and 'outdrive the 05?:tugger:
No, it's just cause they've seen too many DVDs and played to much PS2 to cope with the REAL world (you know, the one where people have to work, the one where people REALLY die -can't press RESET and have another go)
and they certainly have no concept of consequences.
RANT over here too.

Now im in no posistion to preach, however i can agree with your point of view. After the 3am trip to intensive care to see my little brother after his sober driver decided to do a runner in a '86 honda civic late last year. Working in a hospital really opened my eyes about the subject.

But on the other hand. If you are riding at 90% while doing a runner, Are you really more likely to crash or injure an innosant bystander than riding at 90% with no officers of the law behind you.

If you are riding along at 150, then a cop spins around and starts chacing you, still riding at 150, have you increased the chances of hurting anyone?

I DO NOT CONDONE RUNNERS! Just another point of view

[The_Dover]

I think Deano's just pissed cos his 'blade couldn't outrun a paddy wagon!

[justsomeguy]

Now im in no posistion to preach, however i can agree with your point of view. After the 3am trip to intensive care to see my little brother after his sober driver decided to do a runner in a '86 honda civic late last year. Working in a hospital really opened my eyes about the subject.

But on the other hand. If you are riding at 90% while doing a runner, Are you really more likely to crash or injure an innosant bystander than riding at 90% with no officers of the law behind you.

If you are riding along at 150, then a cop spins around and starts chacing you, still riding at 150, have you increased the chances of hurting anyone?

I DO NOT CONDONE RUNNERS! Just another point of view

Hahahaha - what?? :killingme

If you're still doing a runner at 150 I'm assuming the cop was on foot patrol.

[froggyfrenchman]

theroetical numbers, im not speaking from experiance like some of the heros on this site

[The_Dover]

I once did a runner from the pigs back in Scotland.

I was pissed as a fart and on foot, and they still didn't catch me!

Shame I lived on a bumhole little island where everyone is related and everyone knew who I was.

[Paul in NZ]

Shame I lived on a bumhole little island where everyone is related and everyone knew who I was.

You still do!

[justsomeguy]

theroetical numbers, im not speaking from experiance like some of the heros on this site

Isn't the point of a runner to run away - preferably as quickly as possible.

I don't have much experience doing runners on a bike. But I'm a champion at playing cops and robbers from primary school :first: - I believe similar principles apply :whistle: :lol:

[The_Dover]

Cops and robbers or cowboys and injuns?

[Smorg]

What a piece of shit post..........Your a true rebel:tugger:

[Kornholio]

Cops and robbers or cowboys and injuns?

Lol.. Fly like the wind little running fart .

[Paul in NZ]

I got away with an accidental runner once!

I was running away from some bikies during the ChCh 70's biker wars when a Traffic Dude leapt in front of me in the classic 'Halt' pose... He didn't look like he was big enough to stop me getting a beating so i kept going!

I was scared shitless. Now I have 2 gangs after me was all i could think of!

[Bangbug]

Another 2 cents worth:

1: I outran the cops....... on my 250........ 3 times.
How?
First: heavy traffic == good.
Second: No traffic == good.
Third: Angles, timing. you're not outrunning a car/bike/plane/helicopter you are outrunning a person. Better to just outsmart them :)

Great post by the way :) Nice to be informed.

And just to finish up with my second cent:
Straight from a coppers mouth: "If you want to lose the pigs, go the wrong way up the motorway". 80% chance you'll stop yourself that way but at least they don't chase ya! Lol.

But yes, don't get the piggies mad in the first place. A much better option :hitcher: <---- looks like lecturer.

:wari: :banana:

[loosebruce]

played to much PS2 to cope with the REAL world (you know, the one where people have to work, the one where people REALLY die -can't press RESET and have another go)


Yeah this was a most traumatic moment for myself, after many hours playing battlefeild 2 i decided to join the army, only to flag that idea when i found out that i couldn't re spawn change my kit to anti tank and blow the fuck out of the tank that just blew me to peices, plus i heard you have to get up at stupid hours in the morning and do heaps of physical work, fuck that for a joke.

To be honest i wouldn't give anyone tips on how to gap anymore, i dont want to be responsilbe for them dying cause of something i suggested, it's a dangerous thing to try and do, and i wouldn't recconmend it to anyone. It's your call, Madboy brought up some good points for sure, but yeah you die whatever, just dont take anyone else with you, and thats a very real possibility

[Skyryder]

Really, I couldn't care less. I didn't even bother reading Madboy's post but it was easy enough to get the gist of it, there's been so many other "I'm the runner king", "Number plates are for nerds" threads in the past that you only have to read the first sentence.

Bottom line is that every dog has his day, you'll win some, you'll lose some.


Oh come on Spud. Not like you to jump in with out looking first. Without reading it you are making assumptions. It was a bit more than 'I'm the runner king,' etc. All in all it was a clinical analysis of the pros and cons of doing a runner. As a lot of posters have said, it's an interesting read no matter what side of the fence 'one' is on.

Skyryder

[Skytwr]

Riders who run have more chance they will:
A, either kill them selves - Saves a lot of time and money on a Court Case
B, Crash and maime themselves forever and they can't ride anymore.
C, Get away and be dropped in it by their friends / neighbours or the person they cut off.
D, Kill some one else.

Last point You wonder why riders get a bad name.
Yes I ride, But After years of picking up riders off the road either dead or alive, I have to ask IS THE RISK worth it. Simply terms NO.
I now ride my bike as if every other driver on the road is blind and out to get you.

My 2 cents from the Blue side

[justsomeguy]

Cops and robbers or cowboys and injuns?

No cowboys there, all died of butterchicken pox after we tainted their blankys.

[cowpoos]

cowboys and injuns? you don't like that game remeber!!!!! the cow boy won.... :devil2:

[cowpoos]

Right..... basically madboy your a cock..... most of the welly crew don't want you our the rides anymore coz you attract un-wanted attention to the pass time we enjoy...on thursday nite rides the cops arn't stupid...they know it happens and hav pretty well left us alone.....so why don't you just take your stupided lil wanting ego and keep away from us eh!! your not some sort of urban ledgend your a stupid cunt....that trys to attract attention to himself....

and if you think I'm just saying this on here because there are no repercussions well your wrong mate I'm more than happy to tell you to fuck off to your face....

[The_Dover]

The name's Poo's. Mr Poo's.

[Str8 Jacket]

Sorry madboy, but cowpoos is right. Trouble is your actually a good guy but you just cant be comfortable with that. No one cares if your a hero or not, but maybe if you had just been yourself then you would actually be well liked. But you kinda fucked that up for yourself really.

[MD]

I now ride my bike as if every other driver on the road is blind and out to get you.


If you truly believed that then you would not ride at all. Not trying to get at you personally. It's just that most forms of enjoyment involve accepting a degree of risk.

Going by the replies most people have seen the point that the consequences of a runner far outweigh the benefits. Simple maths really. Thanks for the calculator Madboy.

[Dafe]

I'm reading this thread with great interest. Because I'm having real trouble trying to work out Madboy.

On one hand Madboy, you seem rather cautious, you're good to chat to at the pubs and you hold an intelligent approach to most situations, but on the other - you pull some selfish stunts and you don't seem to care that it is everybody else wearing the repercussions.

Myself, I've personally come close to telling you where to go, especially after hearing about the runner on the learners ride, but after you recently calmed down, I thought you might have reflected on what you've been doing and realised it wasn't fair.
Then I see you on the way up the Takas - With no plate on???

What is up with that? Fark I was pissed off to see that. Have been farked off about it since.

The idea of posting a detailed thread on KB about how to do runners, puts bad information into the minds of a few riders. It doesn't matter that %99 of the sensible people on here will shrug runners off as being a rediculous option. It's that %1 that you are influencing and perhaps even leading to their graves. That is plain irresponsible and it speaks nothing of being a respectful person to bring such a topic into a public forum.

I have only one question to ask you. The many other wonders I have accumulated, I now couldn't care for.

Why do you require no plate being displayed, when you can't keep pace with a large percentage of the Wellycrew anyway?

This is not a dig question. I can't understand why the faster Welly crew riders can work out their time and place, but you can't.
I say give it up man! Coz the Welly crew have been pretty leniant, persisting with your antics. I think we all deserve it.
Just ride with us, when you're caught playing silly buggers - wear it on the chin and ride to enjoy another day.

[Madness]

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas

Is that the fat old guy with a receeding hairline that's up there on fine days?

[Bangbug]

Nobody should ride motorbikes, its too dangerous.
Nobody should go on the roads at all, its too dangerous.

We should all walk
But care should be taken because more people die walking than doing runners per year.... stairs are dangerous.

I hope that nobody here who is slagging madboy has ever broken any rules........ ie.... speeding? Because that would cause someone to call them hipocrites..... but i am sure there are no hipocrites in here.

How many people die a year from speeding?

Uh oh...... here we go...... Hippocrites!

Now i've gone and slagged you..... i didn't wanna..... but for the moral good of being morally corrupt it is my morally immoral duty to do so.

Now you have headaches too.......

And so do I.... but that's just the electric fence keeping my brain at bay. Its Guantanamo in there :bash: bash bash bash

[Dafe]

Nobody should ride motorbikes, its too dangerous.
Nobody should go on the roads at all, its too dangerous.



Ah look, the one percent has arrived.

[Jackrat]

An when you get off the motorway always turn right,the cops never expect that.
Or was that left ?
What ever,if ya' get caught,good.
An if ya' don't get caught,tell me an I'll give ya' up.

[kickingzebra]

It was me, in 1999 on heads road, doing 72 kph in a 50k zone with an L plate.. I did it, I succeeded, I doubt the cop cared, and I nearly crapped my daks, and went 70 km all the way back to Marton... Penance paid?
And therefore I bare my back to the smiters!

[oldrider]

I have just read this curious thread and wonder to myself, what did it set out to achieve, what value does it add?

I personally make no judgement as I don't know many of you except on this forum.

What went through my mind as I read on was the news item I kept hearing all morning on the radio!

5 road deaths over the holiday week end. 3 of them were caused by "Motorcycles"!

How many of the listeners who might have also read this thread, would back us on any claim we might make for a better deal for motorcyclists?

You are free to express yourself however you like madboy and so is everybody else but remember that you reap what you sow!

Be careful out there, we may need a few friends among the cagers general public and officials to be successful with some of our urgent key issues.

Would the tenure of this thread help us in our hour of need if such people were to read it while listening to the news?

I don't make this post in judgement, just thinking out loud as to what value does the thread really contribute to biking? :scratch: Cheers John.

[texmo]

Hey madboy think I can do a runner on my scooter?

[justsomeguy]

Hey madboy think I can do a runner on my scooter?

Only one way to find out :scooter:

[N4CR]

Thaught you already had..... :msn-wink: or am I getting mixed up?

[spudchucka]

Spudchuka> If you can't be bothered to read the whole thing, then maybe you shouldn't bother to post an irrelevent reply either eh?
If I've seen one blow hard post on this subject I must have seen a thousand or more. Frankly it aint worth bothering to read. Somebody asked what we pigs thought about it so I gave my opinion and I didn't need to read the entire post to form that opinion.

[jadmac]

I wonder what Helen on her Step-Tru 80 would have done, had she been stuck in Waimate wanting to get to a rugby game in Welly?

[spudchucka]

Oh come on Spud. Not like you to jump in with out looking first. Without reading it you are making assumptions. It was a bit more than 'I'm the runner king,' etc. All in all it was a clinical analysis of the pros and cons of doing a runner. As a lot of posters have said, it's an interesting read no matter what side of the fence 'one' is on.

Skyryder
It bored me after the first sentence. I skimmed over the rest of it and I found no interest in it at all. Madboy can do what he wants, he can recruit apprentices if he wants to, write the book of runners if thats what turns his crank but shit man the subject is utterly boring to me. Do you think this conversation is something new to me? I mean to say, having been on the other side of numerous "runners" I don't really have any need or desire to read anybody elses ramblings on the subject. Some get away with it, others don't, some get a one way trip to the morgue and others get to post their experiences on kiwibiker forums. Like I said before, every dog has his day, for better or worse, it depends on what cards you're dealt on the day.

[madboy]

I'm reading this thread with great interest. Because I'm having real trouble trying to work out Madboy.I was hoping my post could be read for what it was, which was an analytical approach to runners. It was never intended to be a post saying "I'm so cool, let's all hold hands and do a runner", there were no comments about how quick a rider I am, nor about suggesting people go do runners. On the contrary, I felt it was fairly balanced and presented some good reasons why not. I am sorry that some have misinterpreted it. But if some young twat on a bike fancies his ZZR250 against the 5-0, I'd rather they went into it with their eyes open understanding the consequences, rather than reading many of my (and others) more flippant posts that have painted runners thru more rosey lenses.

Dafe, I am disappointed that you may be one who has misinterpreted my post. For your opinion is one of the few on this site that I do value, mainly because you're one of the few people here that I know and actually like as a real person in real life. You won't see me doing dodgy stuff on a ride with you, or on particular group rides. Why do you think I buggered off and left you alone the other day? Why do you think I went out on a ride on my own in the first place? Given recent events, and knowing your views, the back end might have been more alpha-numerical.

You ask why the plate if I'm struggling to keep up with the hardcore? Well before I answer that, ask yourself why I struggle to keep up with the hardcore. Could it be because I ride to MY limits, which are way below my bike's. Is that a bad thing? Should I go and get some more track time so I can get my knee down chasing some of the fellas here over the takas? What sort of margin for error does that leave? Or perhaps I should work on my wheelies? Cos hey, it's okay to send the bike into the armco on a tight twisty section of SH2, or slide it down the mway from a wheelie gone bad, just so long as you're one of the chosen few. But you're a cock smoker if you wind it up in a straight line, and God help you if you pass a group ride in the process. Or should I ride slower, not practice wheelies or knee down shit in public, knowing that really if push came to shove there was something left in reserve if the unthinkable did happen? Running from the cops isn't a test of outright riding ability - hell no, otherwise there's a few posters here who would be immune to the law.

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.

Time and place. Yep, I've made a couple of bad judgements over the years. And I've paid for some them. But some here might just like to think carefully about how perfect they are before mud gets flung.

[Dafe]

Cheers for your reply Madboy, Fair enough - I know there are alot of things you've taken into consideration, but on such an extreme topic, alot of people will simply see past that and will look directly at the ultimate repercussions that may result.

The game the Wellycrew are playing is a far safer one than the game you play. Yes, riding within your limits is the only way to ride. I wouldn't know anybody else that has so much room for improving true road riding skill, yet engages in such an extreme and risky game.

You can compare the wheelies and hoons up the takas, but nobody else thinks they're comparible.
I've seen you buzz past me at 230 on the motorway, riding in the oncoming double lanes with three cars approaching you, luckily all in the slow lane and none decided to pull out. Had something happened, the result could have spread right into the group rides path as well as most likely certain instant death for you.

Those risks we could all do without.

The main thing that gets me. Is that you're attracting alot of attention, as many have already stated. And yes, it is all of us that become unpopular with the Police. This takes away alot of the leniency that the police would normally show us. It also means that cops begin to target motorcyclists too.

At the end of the day. When you ride and you consistantly take those risks, you are going to end up distancing yourself from other riders, as a few KB'ers have already expressed by their plain opinions.

[scumdog]

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.


I am most curious as to WHY you don't want people to read your plate, is it maybe because your riding style is prone to attracting a lot of attention to said plate???????????:wait:

[White trash]

That's right MB, your post didn't say any of that. Every other "runner" post you've made DID imply it.

There's two types of people. Those that "talk" and those that "do". I've a sneaking suspicion that you're more of the former as you make such a song and dance about it on a public forum. Guess what. You're not "faceless" on the internet. Almost every Wellington KBer knows exactly who you are and a lot know where you live. If you really were responsible for baiting cops even a fraction of how often you say you do, they wouldn't have to look too far to find you.

Bikes are a funny thing. You'll meet the wickedest people riding bikes but for some reason, you'll also meet more than your fair share of shit talkers.

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas that you'd probably be able to swap stories with for hours. You guys should get together.

To the brainless fuck that gave me a neg rep for being "uncool" and "threatening": Can you read? I don't see a threat in there.

[White trash]

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

MB, you're not a bad bloke, it's just that from the second you got a bike you've been wanking on about running from the cops. Both on here and in person. It's bullshit. I think it's childish, egotistical, self promotion. And i even question the thruthfullness of it, otherwise, why the hell would you post it?

[Bangbug]

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

MB, you're not a bad bloke, it's just that from the second you got a bike you've been wanking on about running from the cops. Both on here and in person. It's bullshit. I think it's childish, egotistical, self promotion. And i even question the thruthfullness of it, otherwise, why the hell would you post it?

Now is the "stepping off a bike" thing meant to be sarcastic?
I'm thinking if i had a 180kg bike coming down the middle of the motorway i'd be alittle apprehensive as to where it may end up. Seeing as an alternator to the face can mess someone up for life i wouldn't want to try a motorbike.

But i may have it all wrong.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do wheelies in the middle of the motorway, sounds like great fun. Be a hero to all the lads :rockon: (and some ladies:love: ) that see ya.

I like the quoting your own quotes thing. Lol. Can't get enough of that whitetrash stuff! :)

[Two Smoker]

Now is the "stepping off a bike" thing meant to be sarcastic?
I'm thinking if i had a 180kg bike coming down the middle of the motorway i'd be alittle apprehensive as to where it may end up. Seeing as an alternator to the face can mess someone up for life i wouldn't want to try a motorbike.



Every crash ive hard, the bike has slid faster and further than i have... The bike is also pretty predictable where it is going to slide... The only thing you have to worry about is what your going to hit... Or what cars behind you are going to hit you...

As for this thread ive stayed out of it and just watched... Im not innocent, but i dont tell people how to do runners, or what runners ive done, and other than race reports i dont say how fast i ride on the roads... But personally i think this thread should have been created, but titled Why not to do runners, and worded slightly differently...

I believe there is a time and a place.. For instance if you have to do a runner you were probably speeding in the wrong place... You can get by with opening up the throttle every so often and still not get pinged... You have to pick you places i.e.extemely deserted, and not known to have police on the roads... But then again im not condoning speeding either...

A couple of unwritten KB rules (since ive been here a while)

-Dont brag about doing runners
-Dont brag about how fast you, because i can garuntee that there is someone here that is quicker than you... For instance Loosebruce, WT etc are about as fast on the road as you can go. They dont go bragging, but they have a reputation... I dont brag about how fast i am on the track because Shaun Harris can come along and tell me how slow i am...

Best thing to do... ride your own ride safely.... And dont go bragging about it...

[Bangbug]

No im not worried about the person slipping of im worried about the bike going places. As if you are lowsiding a bike, hold on like a coward and slide down the road next to it, with a bit of luck it'll stand up and chuck you back on board. :) but what im saying is its hard to judge just where a bike will go.
This topic is too square. I want to go back to where i am comfortable. Nonsensicle rambling........:bye:

[skelstar]

Would like to echo Dafe's sentiments about you being a good guy, but Im not struggling to understand you MB. Everyone has to be someone/something on this forum...youve decided that you are the 'runner' and promote yourself as being such. It would be naive to think that this thread is not self-promotion.

I think that your post was misinterpreted by many but I also have trouble understanding the purpose of it. If it was to warn non-runners of the risks of doing a runner, then the post would only be half the length. Quite frankly I think it glamourises (sp?) runners for all those young newbie riders that are perhaps looking for their own riding identity. I thank god (not really) that senior/experienced members have responded with their condemnation.

In the begining I used to think doing runners were 'cool', but now quite frankly, I do not.

[mikey]

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

FUKN OATS MAN
skin grows back but my levi's didnt.
did yours?

[cowpoos]

I was hoping my post could be read for what it was, which was an analytical approach to runners. It was never intended to be a post saying "I'm so cool, let's all hold hands and do a runner", there were no comments about how quick a rider I am, nor about suggesting people go do runners. On the contrary, I felt it was fairly balanced and presented some good reasons why not. I am sorry that some have misinterpreted it. But if some young twat on a bike fancies his ZZR250 against the 5-0, I'd rather they went into it with their eyes open understanding the consequences, rather than reading many of my (and others) more flippant posts that have painted runners thru more rosey lenses.

Dafe, I am disappointed that you may be one who has misinterpreted my post. For your opinion is one of the few on this site that I do value, mainly because you're one of the few people here that I know and actually like as a real person in real life. You won't see me doing dodgy stuff on a ride with you, or on particular group rides. Why do you think I buggered off and left you alone the other day? Why do you think I went out on a ride on my own in the first place? Given recent events, and knowing your views, the back end might have been more alpha-numerical.

You ask why the plate if I'm struggling to keep up with the hardcore? Well before I answer that, ask yourself why I struggle to keep up with the hardcore. Could it be because I ride to MY limits, which are way below my bike's. Is that a bad thing? Should I go and get some more track time so I can get my knee down chasing some of the fellas here over the takas? What sort of margin for error does that leave? Or perhaps I should work on my wheelies? Cos hey, it's okay to send the bike into the armco on a tight twisty section of SH2, or slide it down the mway from a wheelie gone bad, just so long as you're one of the chosen few. But you're a cock smoker if you wind it up in a straight line, and God help you if you pass a group ride in the process. Or should I ride slower, not practice wheelies or knee down shit in public, knowing that really if push came to shove there was something left in reserve if the unthinkable did happen? Running from the cops isn't a test of outright riding ability - hell no, otherwise there's a few posters here who would be immune to the law.

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.

Time and place. Yep, I've made a couple of bad judgements over the years. And I've paid for some them. But some here might just like to think carefully about how perfect they are before mud gets flung.

Bullshit is was a analytical thread about runners....its a ego induced speel about your suposed runners and how you think your a urban ledgend...

running from the cop's is done by some people....they pick there time and place....make a desicion at the time....same with wheelies on the motorway...riding fast on backroads...there's a time and a place...
these people don't brag about it...they don't involve other people in these activities by screaming passed learner groups at 230kmph...[which I'm sure is only to get attention] and coming out in group rides with out plates on...all the while your attracting cops to come looking for you...and when you see them you bait them... why do you do it? what is the pay off your getting out of it... coz to be frank it quite childish...and what do you think the people on the group rides think of you...well...some are embaressed by how you act....some get fucked off with you [alot acctually]...and some of the kinder souls pitty that fact that some time soon your number will be up....and I'm not talking about getting caught [I'm gunna fell like a cock for writing that when if it happens]....and thats a shame....really it is....as dafe says your not a bad person to talk to and shit....you also hav a partner and child you don't seem to think about either?

I've said enough...

[The_Dover]

and you ride a kawasaki therefore you are certifiably gay.

[madboy]

and you ride a kawasaki therefore you are certifiably gay.I know. Perhaps if I bought a suzuki like everyone else I'd change my views and suddenly become a nicer more well rounded member of society.

Fellas - look, I make no bones about what's happened in the past. Views on that have been expressed both publicly and privately. Few here have never done something they woke up the next morning wondering why. The views that matter to me have been taken on board. It is a shame that I have become known as a one dimensional character online, and it seems a few offline share that view too, but then I made the bed in that respect, so I live with the consequences. Those I do want to ride with, I respect their views and I do ensure that my behaviour when out with them is appropriate. Regrettably there will be times when I will encounter them while I am co-incidentally on the same piece of road they are on.

I would write more, but I have to be somewhere. Love you longtime.

[hunt]

well written first post, some of the comments seem a bit harsh,
the world would be a safer place if everyone rode British

[Blackbird]

To me, Bykey Cop's statement of "If you run, be prepared to die" is the most telling statement of the lot. I seriously doubt that there is anything resembling a "controlled" runner. It therefore puts both you and other members of the motoring public at risk, not to mention the consequences for friends and family.

I speak from direct experience, having run a few years ago out in the countryside. My riding turned to crap, putting myself at risk and had anyone else been about, I would have been a risk to them too. Madboy made a valid point that the decision to run is made in a matter of seconds. It is therefore ill-considered as it's impossible to weigh up the risks in this time, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of running. My decision was definitely in this category. I got away with it and was shaking so badly when I finally stopped that I almost dropped the bike. It was the dumbest thing I've ever done and it won't ever happen again. I still feel bad about it.

Some people are clearly offended by the post but I regarded the discussion as a powerful deterrent.

[madboy]

Skels - what prompted the post was private requests from several people for advice on runners recently. What concerned me was that I had been fairly vocal in support of runners in the past. Let's face it, how many times have I said or intimated stuff the 5-0, runners always work and bugger stopping, run?! However usually in the limited time you have to respond to someone you don't always get the full story across. And it's often the little details that count. Many people on here probably have the quite incorrect view that I never run a plate, speed everywhere, and run from every cop I see! It's true that I've never been stopped. Of course I've met good cops. Of course I've had cops flash their lights or wave a finger when they could have busted me instead. But fact is I've never been asked to stop when I've been tootling through a residential area, or when it was raining, or when I was 2up, or when it was "after school" or any one of a hundred other reasons that would stop me from trying it on. One day that'll happen, and I'll gladly post that I got lectured and fined for 65k in a 50, rather that quiet insinuations that I did a mint runner at 200k past my daughters school in the wet with the missus on the back and some knob was trying it on in his overweight patrol car, and I saved myself $80 and 20 demerits in the process. It's not like I'm that hard up for cash or spare points (no - none of you bastards can borrow my clean slate!)

What I was hoping to convey was the full thought process that goes into a runner (or a non-runner) before you end up with the simple statement of "yeah, pig came over the rise, looked at my speedo, 160, nah, later fella."

I want people to think, okay so the cops can do this, the cops can do that. They can really spike me? Holy shit. What, you mean I might have to run a red light, or go into oncoming traffic - and they'll still chase me? Okay, well that's getting a bit serious, not for me thanks I'll take my beans on the side of the road. I don't want someone putting the hammer down thinking Madboy said "Nah, later fella." and magically he ended up at home, chugging a beer, getting a blow job as he checked out his chiselled features in the mirror. Then they realised that instead they were travelling at 200k into their own residential neighbourhood, and waking up in hospital cursing Madboy cos he said it was easy. Well it is friggin easy if luck's on your side. But you have to decide when you're feeling lucky. If it's not on your side, it's friggin expensive and potentially friggin painful.

Yep, I note what some senior members have said here and privately. It is an unwritten rule that you don't post about runners. Damn, another rule I've broken. Call the PC police.

[Bangbug]

At least it is a nice active post madboy :)
:stoogie:

[Paul in NZ]

This will stop you doing runners

[kickingzebra]

Cops would probably stand more chance of catching our recidivist speeders on 1933 harleys, than those POS beemers... What a mock they are, but thats another story...

[madboy]

Cops would probably stand more chance of catching our recidivist speeders on 1933 harleys, than those POS beemers... What a mock they are, but thats another story...Unless it's WT on the beemer, then you're farked. Hopefully he won't join the dark side. Imagine high chairs in the police college carpark.

[kickingzebra]

Talked to some of the boys when they were trialling them, handling comfort and economy in general, the ST had the contract, everything going the way of the ST (Which makes more sense for my taxpayers pocket) and then the shipment of Beemers turns up... I'll bet some middling beaurocrat got a mint sweet deal on a nice new 7 series out of that deal.

I deal with awarding contracts, so am slightly cynical when the guys who get to sit in the seats say one thing, and the guy with the chequebook does another.

[ferretface]

Sorry. How's the womans family who got killed when her car was hit by some wanker on a the Triumph failing to stop going to feel about "runners"?

Or the four year old girl killed when a car carreered through a forecourt of a service station. Funny. Seem to remember that being chased by the cops too.

Any WANKER that raves on about how cool he is coz he baits cops and paints his bike so he can be "Ghost riders" wannabe, is just that. A wanker and a wannabe. I have "failed to stop". I don't post about how cool I was for doing it. I certainly didn't bait cops into chasing me, then after they stopped a heap of my "mates" brush it off with a "Sorry, wont happen again" then post this fucken dribble.

I'll take a BMW R1150. You take your ghost rider/try hard Kumandsukme and I'll challenge you on any road/track when suits you. It's neither big nor clever. You ever hurt anyone I know, you better be in a pretty bad state yourself.

(For the record) I couldn't care less who does/doesn't stop for the cops. It's your choice. People that want to wank on about how cool it is give me the shits and deserve the time of day.


I hope that anyone slating this guy's post has never watched a 'Ghostrider' DVD or the like as that would just be hypocritical :spudwhat:

[White trash]

Hate to tell ya this, but Ghost rider DVDs are entertainment and the later ones staged.

And even then, it's not particularly clever.

[White trash]

Cops would probably stand more chance of catching our recidivist speeders on 1933 harleys, than those POS beemers... What a mock they are, but thats another story...

Those R1150s are actually a surprising bike. Surprisingly so.

Fast Bikes also did an article 15 years ago about cops and runners and the likes. They sent Jason and Sean Emmett to spend a day with this bike cop. Sean Emmett at the time was a budding GP rider, standing in for Darryl Beatie and they both came away gobsmacked at the pace shown by the cop.

[2_SL0]

Yeah this was a most traumatic moment for myself, after many hours playing battlefeild 2 i decided to join the army, only to flag that idea when i found out that i couldn't re spawn change my kit to anti tank and blow the fuck out of the tank that just blew me to peices, plus i heard you have to get up at stupid hours in the morning and do heaps of physical work, fuck that for a joke.



Their not keen on the idea of letting you have a crack at piloting the choppers either. When I proudly mentioned "I should be able to handle that dinosaur ( Iroquois), Ive been flying a AH-1Z Super Cobra in BF 2" They looked at me funny and tore up my application. I proceeded to boast of my kill ratio, but I was shown the door. Not even when I mentioned I have played a real army simulator "Americas Army" and am a qualified special forces did they seem interested. Though in their defence, I have to say I was yelling that as I was been escorted out the door by military police. It may of sounded like the mad ramblings of a lunatic.

As for MB, I have entered this debate before with him, Im well aware as to where he stands on this matter. Its either a great troll, or a big wank off. Dont care which, Im more intested in pursuading the airforce to let me have a crack at the Herc. Did I tell you about my time flying Flight Sims.

[Madness]

Okay, this is not a thread to debate the merits or otherwise of what is by all accounts a very illegal and somewhat dangerous activity.

Take from it what you will.

Firstly, before you even think about engaging in this sort of activity - think very carefully about the consequences.

having a court appearance in your hospital bed is NOT a good story.

I'm not saying that real men do runners or anything like that. What I'm saying, is can you do what it takes to get away?

Adrenaline - a hell of a rush, but this is your enemy. Can you control your adrenaline to make sure you're gonna make the right decisions from start to finish?

Road conditions - it's 3.10pm and you're approaching school zones. The jury in your manslaughter trial won't be too interested in you trying to avoid a $400 ticket. Wind, road works up ahead, rain, pillion, traffic... the list goes on. Is now the right time to be running?

You've spent the 1.3 seconds to analyse the above and your decision is to run.

You can't outrun the radio.

Be prepared to go to Plan B. And while you're switching to plan B, make sure you've got Plan D nailed down, in case Plan B and C get blocked too.

Cops don't necessarily play fair. Some will follow you into oncoming traffic at 200k, they will lie to comms about your activities and the speeds involved, and they might even try and punt you off the bike if given the chance.

7. You see a cop car stopped on the side of the road ahead is he waiting to put the spikes out in front of you?

If you're in Auckland, one word - EAGLE. You fancy your chances against a helicopter?

10. You've got away and you're now on the home stretch, into your own neighbourhood the young woman next door ring the cops

Scanners can help, but they can also hinder.

You go blatting down some alley and mum walks around the corner pushing a pram?

At the end of the day I personally keep this in the perspective of this - my license and my money. How important is my license and my money to me? Neither of which will help me out much when I'm dead or sitting in a prison cell. If you can do a quick and dirty runner, get outta dodge and it's all over rover with no damage to you, your bike or anyone else - sweet. But if any of those three do get damaged, what was the point of the runner?

Overall, my advice if you're going to do a runner... think carefully. They only need to get lucky once, you need to get lucky EVERY TIME.

If you're so stupid as to take the above as encouragement to do a runner, all I can say is.....
Put half a bottle of dishwashing liquid in your crankcase oil. It helps keep your motor clean.

I think madboy has spawned some healthy discussion on what could be a potentially disastrous decision any noobie could face at some time. I think the overall feeling here is that doing a runner is stupid (anyone disagree?) and if a noobie learns that in here without having to draw on their own personal experience, then hoo bloody ray!!

Good on ya Madboy, you've got balls and I'm not referring to your riding (or your testicles)

[Kornholio]

Their not keen on the idea of letting you have a crack at piloting the choppers either. When I proudly mentioned "I should be able to handle that dinosaur ( Iroquois), Ive been flying a AH-1Z Super Cobra in BF 2" They looked at me funny and tore up my application. I proceeded to boast of my kill ratio, but I was shown the door. Not even when I mentioned I have played a real army simulator "Americas Army" and am a qualified special forces did they seem interested. Though in their defence, I have to say I was yelling that as I was been escorted out the door by military police. It may of sounded like the mad ramblings of a lunatic.

As for MB, I have entered this debate before with him, Im well aware as to where he stands on this matter. Its either a great troll, or a big wank off. Dont care which, Im more intested in pursuading the airforce to let me have a crack at the Herc. Did I tell you about my time flying Flight Sims.

Lol during my 'tour of duty' playing Battlefield 1942 there was one smacktard named Spetznaz Prizrak *sp who was always boasting and carrying on ( he was a pretty good pilot).... i think fell off a cliff or went back to Russia....

[ferretface]

Why would that be? watching someone do something crazy and stupid is one thing, encouraging them is another.

Cus i'm sure people are more likely to attempt a runner after watchin it.
Its a bit like if you go to watch a live F1 or touring car race, watch how many testosterone fuelled guys race on the highway on their way home.

Hell I remember when Half-Life first came out and I used to play against other guys at work....it felt like I was still playing when I was ducking and diving out of traffic on my way home driving like a maniac!

[kickingzebra]

Those R1150s are actually a surprising bike. Surprisingly so.

Fast Bikes also did an article 15 years ago about cops and runners and the likes. They sent Jason and Sean Emmett to spend a day with this bike cop. Sean Emmett at the time was a budding GP rider, standing in for Darryl Beatie and they both came away gobsmacked at the pace shown by the cop.

I don't doubt they are quick enough in the right hands, put it this way, no matter what traffic is like, if I see a bike cop I stop even thinking about doing anything remotely stupid, hell, I don't even lane split.

Spent a bit of time with career bike cops, and I wouldn't want to go racing, I know who would be shouting the rounds afterwards. (me)

Just the way the whole procurement was done pisses me off. (refer my previous post)

[Jamezo]

Cus i'm sure people are more likely to attempt a runner after watchin it.
Its a bit like if you go to watch a live F1 or touring car race, watch how many testosterone fuelled guys race on the highway on their way home.

Hell I remember when Half-Life first came out and I used to play against other guys at work....it felt like I was still playing when I was ducking and diving out of traffic on my way home driving like a maniac!

Hahaha, I still fondly remember playing Desert Combat for the first time, flying helicopters, and then spending the day sub-consciously leaning around corners inside my mates house... apparently it was quite comical until I realised I was doing it....

[GIXser]

"i dont really care that Mad boy wrote this post or the reason behind it, what i find interesting, is that all the negative feedback on this rant is from people that ride bikes many of whom speed and i quote "at the right time" speeding at the right time" is in the eye of the beholder, not every one else around you-- is you speeding any different,??? you are still braking the law or pulling wheelies or other silly shit, guys /ladies judge your own riding first before you judge the post by madboy and dont be a hypocrite-- the fact that he started a thread is no different than you posting a profile picture of silly stunts and shit ,and bragging about how good you are

ps, this is coming from someone that wants to be good (in other words a try hard)

[White trash]

Sorry GIXser, you're missing the point as I see it. My real problem isn't with this thread of Madboys. It's with his inccessant (sp) boasting of past runners and cop baiting. I find that behaviour VERY different from doing wheelies or riding quickly on some country back road. Or doing wheelies down a drag strip or four lane motorway. And I agree with you, speeding is breaking the law. I know this and therefore if I'm snapped doing it, I'll take my medicine, I knew I shouldn't have done it.

But can I just say, thank Christ someone's started a proper MOTORCYCLE thread on here that's opened some debate.

Edit: Oh GIXser, it aint braggin mutha fucker if ya back it up!:)

[NC]

"i dont really care that Mad boy wrote this post or the reason behind it, what i find interesting, is that all the negative feedback on this rant is from people that ride bikes many of whom speed and i quote "at the right time" speeding at the right time" is in the eye of the beholder, not every one else around you-- is you speeding any different,??? you are still braking the law or pulling wheelies or other silly shit, guys /ladies judge your own riding first before you judge the post by madboy and dont be a hypocrite-- the fact that he started a thread is no different than you posting a profile picture of silly stunts and shit ,and bragging about how good you are

ps, this is coming from someone that wants to be good (in other words a try hard)
I think him doing 200+kms past a n00b ride (that he started the ride with) with the cops intoe proves that he's a wanka. Oh and on the next night did the samething. But there was a police road block waiting for us all. Because of him. Suprise suprise.
I think we can all draw enough attention to ourselves on the road without Madforthecock pissing the cops of just to have his weekly ejaculation in his pink panties. No one likes riding with him!

[madboy]

I think him doing 200+kms past a n00b ride (that he started the ride with) with the cops intoe proves that he's a wanka. Oh and on the next night did the samething. But there was a police road block waiting for us all. Because of him. Suprise suprise.
I think we can all draw enough attention to ourselves on the road without Madforthecock pissing the cops of just to have his weekly ejaculation in his pink panties. No one likes riding with him!Thank you NC, I appreciate your opinion in this matter. I agree that my conduct on occasions has been below the par expected of me by other riders around me. I am more than willing to accept constructive feedback, and will give it the consideration that is due to it. If the end result of that feedback is that I need to alter my behaviour around other bikers then so be it.

BUT CAN YOU GET THE FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

You won't know a fact if you rode into it. Your incessant bullshit is based on just that - bullshit. Stop listening to the walls and get a few facts together before you start wanking on. How you dare to judge me based on complete and utter bollocks makes me pity to sorry arse human being you must be. I didn't see you on any newbie ride, and I didn't see any 200k flybys on any newbie ride. And I didn't see any newbies on that ride who saw a 200k flyby with cops in tow by any biker, let alone me.

Cowpoos, Deano, WT et al might not be inviting me to any dinner parties, but at least what they've said isn't based on utter bollocks.

[NC]

Thank you NC, I appreciate your opinion in this matter. I agree that my conduct on occasions has been below the par expected of me by other riders around me. I am more than willing to accept constructive feedback, and will give it the consideration that is due to it. If the end result of that feedback is that I need to alter my behaviour around other bikers then so be it.

BUT CAN YOU GET THE FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

You won't know a fact if you rode into it. Your incessant bullshit is based on just that - bullshit. Stop listening to the walls and get a few facts together before you start wanking on. How you dare to judge me based on complete and utter bollocks makes me pity to sorry arse human being you must be. I didn't see you on any newbie ride, and I didn't see any 200k flybys on any newbie ride. And I didn't see any newbies on that ride who saw a 200k flyby with cops in tow by any biker, let alone me.

Cowpoos, Deano, WT et al might not be inviting me to any dinner parties, but at least what they've said isn't based on utter bollocks.
:killingme

[Paul in NZ]

Why won't this thread just do a runner...

[The_Dover]

Nah, Scumdog or tattietosser would probably catch it and it might endanger some kids on the interweb.......

[Paul in NZ]

Nah, Scumdog or tattietosser would probably catch it and it might endanger some kids on the interweb.......

Yeah but with no plates on no one would know who it is eh?

[The_Dover]

Ok, who's driving then?

And if we are doing a runner on a guzzi then I hope the damned thing has been serviced recently (ie last night). Dont wanna break down in front of the pigs.

[Paul in NZ]

Ok, who's driving then?

And if we are doing a runner on a guzzi then I hope the damned thing has been serviced recently (ie last night). Dont wanna break down in front of the pigs.

Yeah! Them Guzzis are useless for doing runners on.. (I have have had to run alongside mine a few times)

Far better to speed away like mad, unleashing all the GSXR's mighty BHP because you never know. They may NOT be looking for you 300 metres out in a paddock. Just don't leave any black marks on the road, keep it upright so you don't make too big a hole in the fence and you might get away with it. ;-) (actually on one ride a guy on an MV did just that. 330m plus, flat on his back, out of it! Sheesh)

On the other hand, those nice police people might just call the ambulance for you on their radio so carry a flare to catch their attention.

Paul N

[bungbung]

Ok, who's driving then?

And if we are doing a runner on a guzzi then I hope the damned thing has been serviced recently (ie last night). Dont wanna break down in front of the pigs.

But when you do, it'll be in style: -

choose any three of the following: oil, smoke, flames, crunching noises, whining noises, tears

[Paul in NZ]

But when you do, it'll be in style: -

choose any three of the following: oil, smoke, flames, crunching noises, whining noises, tears

Right! Thats you on the list as well! :stoogie:

Mind you! A super cool guzzi doing a runner would be very italian! tear off the rear vision mirrors and chuck them at the Policia

[The_Dover]

Well, the cops did ask where the bike was!!

"What bike?" I said. "I just, erm, fell over"

"No, of course I always go jogging in full leathers"

"Why? Because it burns more calories of course"

and there was no hole in the fence, I believe it cleared it.

[Paul in NZ]

and there was no hole in the fence, I believe it cleared it.

Hmm! A clear round? Well done!

[Motu]

I haven't even read the thread,let alone the first post - I kinda figured what might happen and thought I'd come along to sift through the wreckage.

Guys who do runners are of a certain mentality.And I am always remindered of a guy I knew who did a runner 30 yrs ago or more.He lost the bike on a corner and went down a bank,then he set off on foot and lost the Cops,they were useless even back then.A day or two later he does a drive by of the scene and sees his bike parked up on the road.A quick check of the area shows it's all clear and he gets on his bike to ride off.Then a voice behind him says - ''ah,we were wondering who owned this bike''.

I don't think runners have changed much over the years....

[MD]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view to this thread - no sitting on the fence, please do so now before it runs off. Like Whitetrash said, it's great to have a thread that's atleast sparked some interest for a change. Been getting a bit boring lately.

[Storm]

Sorry to be less than foaming at the mouth, but heres my 2p

We are all big enough and ugly enough to make our own decisions. Be it sneaking a sly 115km on a straight stretch (and make no mistake, just because you think its safe, it still 15kmh over the limit) or running no plate, or stunting it up large.
This is a free and open forum,just as it is a free country, therefore you can say and do what you please. You all know whats going to happen if you get it wrong - on your head be it. It might be public condemnation on here or it might be the "5-0" , or the tall bony chap in the black robe with his agricultural implement.

[Skyryder]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view to this thread - no sitting on the fence, please do so now before it runs off. Like Whitetrash said, it's great to have a thread that's atleast sparked some interest for a change. Been getting a bit boring lately.

Right on. Went to post similar sentements last night and back peddled to see who started the post as I could not remember. My post just vanished and could not get it back. Good thread all, no matter what side of the fence you're riding on.

Skyryder

[eliot-ness]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view to this thread - no sitting on the fence, please do so now before it runs off. Like Whitetrash said, it's great to have a thread that's atleast sparked some interest for a change. Been getting a bit boring lately.

I've read all the posts in this thread. Pro's Anti's and even one from a guy who made his decision without bothering to read the thread starter. My first reaction after reading a couple of lines was 'another load of self serving bullshit' but I persevered and read the whole thing. Personally I see nothing there that would induce anyone to do a runner. On the contrary, it gives a dire warning of the consequences. In view of some of the extreme posts i began to think that Madboys reputation may have preceded him. What, for instance, would the reaction have been if the same thread starter had been posted by someone like Ixion, Oldrider. or one of the other more respected riders. Would it have been read as a dire warning or a workshop manual on doing runners. I've seen far worse threads.

[mstriumph]

Well, the cops did ask where the bike was!!

"What bike?" I said. "I just, erm, fell over"

"No, of course I always go jogging in full leathers"

"Why? Because it burns more calories of course"

and there was no hole in the fence, I believe it cleared it.

:first: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[onearmedbandit]

Isn't it compararable to say posting a thread called "Beginners quide to making P", acknowledging it's illegal to make or have in your possession P, highlighting why you shouldn't make or use P, but then posting the recepie?

I'm too have been on the wrong side of the law, but I wouldn't go telling everyone about it, or giving hints on how to be better at it.



WT, I thought the last couple of GR's were horribly set-up, convient camera positions and all. But is it all a setup, ie including the police chases in traffic? I'm not doubting your claim (ever wondered why companies like 'Suzuki' would appear as sponsers for an illegal activicty) but you seem pretty certain so was wondering if you had some firm proof.

[Squeak the Rat]

I’ve seen too many dead bikers in my time. One more is too many.

Well written reply. Thanks for the perspective from the "other side".

I'm with OneArmedBandit, if I was doing something illegal I'd keep very hush. The last thing I'd wan't to do was to bring attention to myself or my friends, or encourage others to do similar. The post may not have meant to be encouraging to others, but some people pick up on ideas like this because it's put into the front of their mind.

2c inserted.

[iwilde]

A "how to" thread like this may just sway an unstable or inexpericienced rider to do a runner. I don't care if someone does a runner and kill or maim themselves, but I've a big problem with some idiot with a huge addrenalin rush loosing it and hurting an inocent person. That person may be my daughter? Your brother or sister? The riders that are capable of doing runners are going to do them anyway, why incorrage the inexpericienced or mentaly insane to be cool, just like you!

[Skyryder]

Isn't it compararable to say posting a thread called "Beginners quide to making P", acknowledging it's illegal to make or have in your possession P, highlighting why you shouldn't make or use P, but then posting the recepie?

The analogy should have been the pros and cons of P and it's usage.

Once you post the recipee you are giving the ingrediants and methods for the production of P.

That's another ball game in a different park.


Skyryder

[Kornholio]

Actually more Police resources could be better off trying to catch the mofos making and selling that P crap than chasing poor ol innocent motorbikecyclists than may be doing a tad over the speedlimit :/

Food for thought?

* Im going to sing the DOOM song...*

[madboy]

Well written reply. Thanks for the perspective from the "other side".Yeah, I thought DM50 did pretty well too.

[Fatjim]

Fuck there's a lot of egoes on this site.

Ta for the inside DM50. Post of the day, and of this thread, except maybe Madboys replay to NC.

BTW, can you pass onto your buddies that someone riding a sportsbike in leathers is doing a runner because he doesn't want to lose his license, he's just riding it LIKE he stole it. :scooter:

[GIXser]

I think him doing 200+kms past a n00b ride (that he started the ride with) with the cops intoe proves that he's a wanka. Oh and on the next night did the samething. But there was a police road block waiting for us all. Because of him. Suprise suprise.
I think we can all draw enough attention to ourselves on the road without Madforthecock pissing the cops of just to have his weekly ejaculation in his pink panties. No one likes riding with him!

if infact that happenend , i agree doing silly shit like that is simply unnessesary and plain stupid,

[Kornholio]

Not really if you read my post on the previous page, it explains why pursuits are prioritised by Police.

Yeah sorta but there were too many words making way too much sense... :sunny:


Oooh new Chili Peppers vid on C4 :doobey:

[ZorsT]

I've read all the posts in this thread. Pro's Anti's and even one from a guy who made his decision without bothering to read the thread starter. My first reaction after reading a couple of lines was 'another load of self serving bullshit' but I persevered and read the whole thing. Personally I see nothing there that would induce anyone to do a runner. On the contrary, it gives a dire warning of the consequences. In view of some of the extreme posts i began to think that Madboys reputation may have preceded him. What, for instance, would the reaction have been if the same thread starter had been posted by someone like Ixion, Oldrider. or one of the other more respected riders. Would it have been read as a dire warning or a workshop manual on doing runners. I've seen far worse threads.

you summed up my thoughts. The red is a part that stood out for me.

Ixion said way back at the start that everyone would run if the conditions were right. Everyone has their price, so to speak.
This is very true.


A "how to" thread like this may just sway an unstable or inexpericienced rider to do a runner.
As an "unstable" and inexpericienced rider, I think I am qualified to say that I highly doubt this thread will ever be the straw to break the camels back. This thread wouldn't be near said camel.
The things that sway people like me to do runners are tougher road laws.
Plain and simple.

Tougher traffic laws lower everyones "price"

For me, this thread has done two things:
1) Made me realise that a runner isn't an easy thing to get away with
2) made me realise there are some morons out there.

[Paul in NZ]

made me realise there are some morons out there.

pssst! Don't mean to alarm you but.... There are a few in here as well!

[The_Dover]

Where?

All I can see is a nice bunch of bikers............

[Paul in NZ]

Where?

All I can see is a nice bunch of bikers............

Now look here... If you are going to feed me lines like that I cannot continue to resist!

[Freakshow]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view to this thread - no sitting on the fence, please do so now before it runs off. Like Whitetrash said, it's great to have a thread that's atleast sparked some interest for a change. Been getting a bit boring lately.

Well then my 2c is I think it needs a few more pointers for us out here on 250s:scooter:

If there are people out there that get off playing with cops then thats fine with me, just remember that the rest of us are not interested in playing and not interested in games that have life or death cards.

[cowpoos]

Well then my 2c is I think it needs a few more pointers for us out here on 250s:scooter:

If there are people out there that get off playing with cops then thats fine with me, just remember that the rest of us are not interested in playing and not interested in games that have life or death cards.
nice signiture

[sugilite]

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while now (senior runners lack of comments are noted and reasons why understood)
I do not know the thread starter, but I have met some of Wellie crew he has ridden with (hey guys!)

People who know me or rode in Wellies in the same era I did know I "may" be just about over qualified to talk on this subject, but don't look for any old war stories here.
I do know this, The near 40 yr old version of me would scream out "WTF are you doing" at the late teens early twenties version of me in some but not all the situations that stupid brainless idiot got himself in and out off.
I also know that the younger version of me would have ignored most of what the older version has to say!
I met a few people like myself back then too. Only ONE survived like me, the others are DEAD. Two died while doing runners in suburban areas and the others whilst doing crazy stuff also in suburban areas. I don't think these guys got the 25 virgins that the suicide bombers on foot get!
None I can remember died on quiet country roads.
I'd also like to add, serious drugs and or alcohol were involved in all the cases I knew of. I consider myself very lucky that I was so involved in riding from a young age, I never had time or money to get into those things, as for sure I'd be dead as well.

I feel running in suburban areas is a dangerous and selfish thing to do. The only times I ever rode in them was commuting and riding out off to get to the "good" roads anyways.
It got to the point with me, that I made the decision to stop riding on the roads as the attention and associated paranoia killed a lot of the enjoyment I got whilst riding, so I went to the racetrack to get my jollies, and yes to a large point grow up too.

I feel the author of the original post has come a long way quite quickly in his thinking about runners from when he originally started doing them to now. I guess time will tell if his actions follow the new line of thinking.
I feel there is a certain amount of "look at me I know enough about runners to do a SA about it" but for the most part it is a balanced argument for and against.
For those enjoying this feisty topic, it may pay to keep in mind that only someone like this guy is truly qualified to start a thread like this. (If he was a cop as well, maybe the post would have had perfect balance lol) With this in mind I feel he kept the glory part down to a fairly self controlled level.

The only other comments I'd like to make is regarding a policeman on this forum making judgments on prior posts he read without reading this one, and even others mentioning this one may be a little different, still did not read it (so he says)
I'd just like to say, heck man, I hope not all officers barely skim read the alleged facts and assume the rest! I realize this may be a bit unfair as you are not on duty whilst on KB, er or are you?
I do have a lot of respect for the work police do, to see the dark underside of humanity on a daily basis and keep ones sanity takes a special sort of person. Kudos to you all, and that goes to Ambos, A and E staff and Firecrews as well.

[imdying]

I feel the author of the original post has come a long way quite quickly in his thinking about runners from when he originally started doing them to now.I think that posting it at all refutes that :(

[sAsLEX]

I think that posting it at all refutes that :(

most of this infamous post of his actually puts people off doing runners by outlining all the shit that can happen as a result, maybe he is starting to take another look at his actions...

[imdying]

Perhaps, another view is that there is still a certain level of glorification in that post, and that's not the action of someone who is repentent.

[Fatjim]

I don't think that MB has repented, just would like to undo some of the damage without eating too much humble pie. I don't blame him, I'm a bit like that myself.

[imdying]

People forget shit that's not in their face (ok, some are like elephants), best just never to discuss it again imho :)

[mikey]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view to this thread - no sitting on the fence, please do so now before it runs off. Like Whitetrash said, it's great to have a thread that's atleast sparked some interest for a change. Been getting a bit boring lately.

oh yeh!!!! must be my opinion time.
im a policeman now.
on a motobike
new police bike to, as of last week. GSXR750!

an if any of you FO's try running from me ill run you off the fukn road an then set the dogs onto you an run you over with a fire truck before the ambulance gets there.




I’ve been involved with and started a reasonably large number of pursuits in my time, well into double digits.

wow. double digits eh. must be an old man! be up for retirement soon eh.
guessing your 3 months out of porirua college? shut the fuck n00b, have they even set you loose in a cop car yet?

[Fatjim]

Thats it mikey. Give the top another flick to keep it spinning.

LMAO

[Fatjim]

3 and a half years out of Porirua.

Was that before you became a cop?

[Fatjim]

Who are you talking about? What comments are you talking about?
Helo hello hello

[The_Dover]

How do i shut a fuck?

ask her to grip her pelvic floor muscles and push hard on the outside of her knees.

the other option needs three of you.

[madboy]

Who are you talking about? What comments are you talking about?I'm guessing the fella chucking his spuds out of the spud basket without bothering to figure out what he was supposed to be chucking his spuds at.

[MSTRS]

Still are...but old in experience now huh?

[madboy]

...I wouldnt call my self experienced yet though.How far into double digits?

[mikey]

Who are you talking about? What comments are you talking about?

sigh, yet another enforcer of the law who cant comprehend something right in front of his nose.

[Fatjim]

sigh, yet another enforcer of the law who cant comprehend something right in front of his nose.
Hey, I can almost read this post Mikey. You been drinking?:wait:

[Deano]

Hey, I can almost read this post Mikey. You been drinking?:wait:

Nah he just forgot that he was meant to be an incomprehensible smartarse.

Games up Mikey.

[mikey]

games not over til its over

as a highly looked up to model citizen i'd like to show everyone that i do stop for policemen, no matter if there old/asian/poms/maris/butch lesbians,
an thats it somebody else in lower hutt that doesnt stop on a blue gsxr750.

as proof i have a snap shot from sunday

the very nice officer said,

"hey your bike looks cool with those police stickers on it"

me "yeh i know"

"thats only a 250 eh"

me "yeh"

"you didnt undertake our inspector in the mufti back there "

me "no way good sir"

"guess you probably werent speeding either"

me "course not"

"you probably got a licence then, not some maxed out learner with 120 demerits already"

me "course i do, model citizen"

inspector joins in on the sunday morning tea party

"its not your bike thats been failign to stop for us around lower hutt last few moths"

me " no way man"

inspector " i thought it was you, so i radioed ahead an got 5 cars ready if you didnt stop"

me " jesus christ didnt get 5 police cars!"

on your way then chief he says

an i went out riding round the wairarap liek i'd planned to.

[Madness]

Yeah Mikey, I think you might want to think about a paint job. There has been a blue bike of some sort running around my neighborhood lately, really pissing the 5-0 off, all they know is that it's a blue one. WHOEVER he is he's been a naughty naughty boy.:nono: :nono: I've heard him and there aint much throttle left in reserve that's for real. You might be just the guy our local constabulary need to catch this elusive character, hell you've got the signwriting sussed already. They might give you licence to speed in efforts to make a bust, and sponsor you some gas and pies too!!!
:doobey: :doobey: :doobey: :doobey: :doobey: :doobey: :doobey: :doobey:

[Deano]

games not over til its over

as a highly looked up to model citizen i'd like to show everyone that i do stop for policemen, no matter if there old/asian/poms/maris/butch lesbians,
an thats it somebody else in lower hutt that doesnt stop on a blue gsxr750.

as proof i have a snap shot from sunday

the very nice officer said,

"hey your bike looks cool with those police stickers on it"

me "yeh i know"

"thats only a 250 eh"

me "yeh"

"you didnt undertake our inspector in the mufti back there "

me "no way good sir"

"guess you probably werent speeding either"

me "course not"

"you probably got a licence then, not some maxed out learner with 120 demerits already"

me "course i do, model citizen"

inspector joins in on the sunday morning tea party

"its not your bike thats been failign to stop for us around lower hutt last few moths"

me " no way man"

inspector " i thought it was you, so i radioed ahead an got 5 cars ready if you didnt stop"

me " jesus christ didnt get 5 police cars!"

on your way then chief he says

an i went out riding round the wairarap liek i'd planned to.

LMFAO.

Interesting how he supposedly matched his speed to yours at 120 kph when he sat behind Jimbo and I at 105kph for ages as you slowly peeled off ahead.

You should fight it cause you were only doing 119kph or do cops come fitted with fricken laser beam eyes these days ?

[mstriumph]

Perhaps, another view is that there is still a certain level of glorification in that post, and that's not the action of someone who is repentent.

Indeed, indeed, Repentance oft before
I swore -- but was I sober when I swore?
And then, and then came Spring, and Rose-in-hand
My thread-bare Penitence apieces tore.
:innocent:
[FitzGerald's Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]

[MD]

games not over til its over

as a highly looked up to model citizen i'd like to show everyone that i do stop for policemen, no matter if there old/asian/poms/maris/butch lesbians,
an thats it somebody else in lower hutt that doesnt stop on a blue gsxr750.

as proof i have a snap shot from sunday


Like the pic. Lose your way, lose your virginity, lose weight, lose your marbles, but Mikey, never lose your sense of humour!
Edit; Just realised that was the number of the beast post, number 666 - so fitting Mikey caused it.

[sugilite]

Who are you talking about? What comments are you talking about?
Hmmm, seems like the local KB police crew need some assistance with their detective work. So pooling all my resources, investigating all leads and launching a full scale inquiry and all to within budget, umm er all this consisting of actually reading the thread! Here are my findings.....


Really, I couldn't care less. I didn't even bother reading Madboy's post but it was easy enough to get the gist of it, there's been so many other "I'm the runner king", "Number plates are for nerds" threads in the past that you only have to read the first sentence.

Bottom line is that every dog has his day, you'll win some, you'll lose some.

and again

If I've seen one blow hard post on this subject I must have seen a thousand or more. Frankly it aint worth bothering to read. Somebody asked what we pigs thought about it so I gave my opinion and I didn't need to read the entire post to form that opinion.

But wait, theres more.


It bored me after the first sentence. I skimmed over the rest of it and I found no interest in it at all. Madboy can do what he wants, he can recruit apprentices if he wants to, write the book of runners if thats what turns his crank but shit man the subject is utterly boring to me. Do you think this conversation is something new to me? I mean to say, having been on the other side of numerous "runners" I don't really have any need or desire to read anybody elses ramblings on the subject. Some get away with it, others don't, some get a one way trip to the morgue and others get to post their experiences on kiwibiker forums. Like I said before, every dog has his day, for better or worse, it depends on what cards you're dealt on the day.

Now totally fair enough what he has written there, he is speaking from his experience. Sweet. It is only the investigative skills I'm commenting on.
So errr, how are yours coming along?:second:

[Madness]

With recent management reshuffles in Police Spud might be in for promotion. Only question is will it be Prosecution or Intelligence?? Internal Affairs might be a starter for ten also.....:nya: :nya:

[El Dopa]

If there are any KB members left who have not yet posted either a positive or negative view

Personally, I'm quite a fan of the darker New Zealand ales - Montieth's Celtic, Mac's Black and so on.

The more upmarket lager-type beers are all good, too. Nothing better on a hot summers day than a decent pilsner.

However, I really can't stand the cheap slop - Lion red, export gold, etc. The horse that pissed in those barrels was definitely ill.

BTW, its a myth that poms like their beer warm. traditionally, the kegs were stored in the cellers of the pubs. Underground, and nice and cool. Cool, not cold, and definitely not warm.

[scumdog]

oh yeh!!!! must be my opinion time.
im a policeman now.
on a motobike
new police bike to, as of last week. GSXR750!

an if any of you FO's try running from me ill run you off the fukn road an then set the dogs onto you an run you over with a fire truck before the ambulance gets there.



wow. double digits eh. must be an old man! be up for retirement soon eh.
guessing your 3 months out of porirua college? shut the fuck n00b, have they even set you loose in a cop car yet?
Are you the rep from Cretins -R - Us???

Or has the humour escaped a cynical old veteran of many pursuits????

Do you know when a person falls off his bike and gets run over the resulting blood spray can cover 15 metres???

[sedge]

Do you know when a person falls off his bike and gets run over the resulting blood spray can cover 15 metres???

Heh heh... And that's just from when he's sitting on it in the bike park...

I bumped in to a cop that had to scrape a biker up after they hit a power pole... Wrecker was a bit green around the edges from cleaning up, worst part was looking for the guys head which shot off like a football down the road.

Dunno how you guys do it.

Sedge.

[Ixion]

Personally, I'm quite a fan of the darker New Zealand ales - Montieth's Celtic, Mac's Black and so on.

The more upmarket lager-type beers are all good, too. Nothing better on a hot summers day than a decent pilsner.

However, I really can't stand the cheap slop - Lion red, export gold, etc. The horse that pissed in those barrels was definitely ill.

BTW, its a myth that poms like their beer warm. traditionally, the kegs were stored in the cellers of the pubs. Underground, and nice and cool. Cool, not cold, and definitely not warm.

Thank goodness! A sensible post , about something *important* at last. It's about time this thread got round to beer. M'self, I still say you can't go past Speights Old Dark. The Monteiths Black is not a bad drop, but I really don't fancy the Celtic. Strange, but it just doesn't work for me. Mac's is OK I guess, but not in the first rank.

Although I'm no Pom, I agree with them about temperature. Cool, but not icey. Nothing worse than a beer that's so cold that it sets your teeth on edge (well, actually there's lots of things worse - no beer at all, for a start, but you get my gist).

[cowpoos]

an inspector in a car?? man ours dont ever get out on the road, they push the pens, and they push them hard:cry:
nah....they do real police work don't they?

[Madness]

One of my mates got the end of his finger bitten off about a month ago

That's what ya get when ya go sticking it somewhere "non-consentual"

[WINJA]

Quite possibly the stupidest fucken post I've ever read on here. If you're not into masturbation, and don't want to tell the world about your "runners" why the fuck would you post them on a public forum?

You're a cock and I wouldn't mind seeing a video coz I think you're so full of shit, you don't have the skills or the balls to take on the cops. I'm pissed off.

Fucken prove me wrong.
ARE YOU SAYING HE LACKS RIDING SKILL?

[WINJA]

For heaven's sake why? You have just painted a strongly compelling and articulate argument about the folly of "doing a runner".

Call me old fashioned, but I believe that if I ever earn the ire of an ossifer of the law, I am going to get busted. Best fess up pronto and take one's lumps.
SERIOUSLY , YOU SOUND LIKE THAT KIDDY FIDDLER MR SMITH OFF LOST IN SPACE, OH THE PAIN THE PITY OF IT ALL

[WINJA]

I once did a runner from the pigs back in Scotland.

I was pissed as a fart and on foot, and they still didn't catch me!

Shame I lived on a bumhole little island where everyone is related and everyone knew who I was.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE FROM IRELAND

[WINJA]

Hey madboy think I can do a runner on my scooter?
YUP , GO NUTS AROUND THE DOMAIN TILL THE PIGS TURN UP , TEAR ARSE OFF DOWN TO THE GARDENS DO A HARD RIGHT THRU THE BOLLARDS AND WATCH IN YOUR MIRRORS AS THE COPS ONLY JUST STOP B4 THEY HIT THE BOLLARDS , STOP STAND UP STRADLING YOUR TR50 KISS YOUR HAND PAT YOUR ARSE FLIP THE BIRD FUCK OFF DOWN LOVERS LANE , GO ONTO THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AND HIDE , SO I HEARD

[scumdog]

seriously , you sound like that kiddy fiddler mr smith off lost in space, oh the pain the pity of it all

Were you the guy disguised as funny dumb-arse machine with the flexi-arms that kept waddling around saying "danger Will Robinson, danger" and fiddling with Will himself???

[ferretface]

I reckon this thread is going for a record :clap:

[WINJA]

were you the guy disguised as funny dumb-arse machine with the flexi-arms that kept waddling around saying "danger will tobinson, danger" and fiddling with will himself???
WARNING WARNING (SAID WITH ARMS FLAYLING WILDY) THERES TOO MANY PIGS ON THIS SITE

[scumdog]

WARNING WARNING (SAID WITH ARMS FLAYLING WILDY) THERES TOO MANY PIGS ON THIS SITE

Well get you and your caterpillar legs off the site then!!! ( and don't stand there wringing hands and looking worried)

[slowpoke]

[QUOTE=MAXIMUSDEMERITUS] They might give you licence to speed in efforts to make a bust, and sponsor you some gas and pies too!!!
QUOTE]


Always remembering of course that more pies equals less speed...but ironically more skid marks!

[Lazy7]

Now. If somebody could come up with a beginners guide to:

getting free food at a wendy's drive through by riding past the cars and timing it perfectly so you snatch the food out of the staffs hands before the customer in the car gets it.

THEN I might be interested.

[kickingzebra]

Speaking of wendies? Do the police out there get half price maccas?
Guys in Orewa used to, that was way cool...

[Madness]

Could you Aucklanders please refrain from commenting on Wendies. It just aint fair on the rest of us that dont have it. First thing I do whenever I drive/ride to Auckland is to stop at Wendies (and the second thing too for that matter)

Man this has gone off topic.

[Deviant Esq]

So, let's get it back on topic then.

Me - I'll never say no to a nice cold Heinekin at the end of a day's work. Or at the end of a day's doing sweet fuck all - either way is good. Or a Stella, if you're looking for something a little more upmarket. But then, you can't go past a good ol' Tui.

Cheers. :drinkup:

Seriously though, Dynamytus summed it up beautifully (IMO) with his post on page 10. That pretty much says it all. Doing a runner = acting like a crim. Course they're gonna make the effort to catch you, chances are you're doing something else wrong, like coveting thou neighbour's wife. Shame on you. If you break the law in the first place, don't compound your error and break it worse.

[racefactory]

My, my... how Kb has changed over the years huh?

You wouldn't think this thread belongs on this site but this used to be a common thing.

Is anyone still practising the art of runners?

[miloking]

Holy ancient thread revival batman!

[Whynot]

My, my... how Kb has changed over the years huh?

You wouldn't think this thread belongs on this site but this used to be a common thing.


I know what you mean .... it's not the same.

[scumdog]

I know what you mean .... it's not the same.

I know - all the ding-bats, morons and cretins have slowly been disappearing.

[DEATH_INC.]

I know - all the ding-bats, morons and cretins have slowly been disappearing.
What are you talking about, you and me are still here :shit:

But yeh, the site has lost it's balls over the last few years :violin:

[Brett]

Shit yeah, I remember this thread (and some of the even earlier ones from the early 2000's) I liked all the talking shit. KB used to be a spicy Vindaloo, now it is bland soup in comparison.

[scumdog]

What are you talking about, you and me are still here :shit:

But yeh, the site has lost it's balls over the last few years :violin:

Balls?

Nah.

Village idiots is more like it.

[Grasshopperus]

Maybe we could petition spankme to enable some sort of auto-lock on threads after they've been inactive for 6 months or something. That'd stop 'tards from reviving these dead-ass threads.

[DEATH_INC.]

Maybe we could petition spankme to enable some sort of auto-lock on threads after they've been inactive for 6 months or something. That'd stop 'tards from reviving these dead-ass threads.

But the memories of 'the good old days' come flooding back every time it happens :woohoo:

[Dodgyiti]

Why get rid of these vintage threads?
Sometimes I go back and read a few when I miss people who are now gone, it is like a KB legacy. The Wild West. All a bit vanilla nowadays.
I rememeber the first few dozen Auckland/Waikato rides, it would seem that someone would bin practially every run...glad that part is history.
I will unlock Motu's cryo pod so he can come out and comment:laugh:

[Katman]

It's almost like all the:brick:has been worthwhile.

:whistle:

[Max Preload]

My, my... how Kb has changed over the years huh?

You wouldn't think this thread belongs on this site but this used to be a common thing.

Is anyone still practising the art of runners?Yeah, it's gone soft.

[sugilite]

Though I still stand by what I said in post 163 of this thread, yeah, I feel that KB is going so vanilla that it will soon be called PC Biker, A site for all conforming cardy wearers.

Has the site becoming this way actually made a difference out there in the real world? Have runners stopped? Has speeding stopped? Do riders when considering doing a runner whip out there smart phones and consult the KB archives before making their decision on what to do next? Personally I doubt it.

Yeah, sure make these historic threads unavailable, and while your at it nip down to the local wool shop, there is a special running. Think of the money you can save on your next cardy.

[avgas]

I think I have gone soft.

I haven't done a runner is years.....

[scumdog]

Yeah, it's gone soft.

Less fuckwitted posts to put up with though...meaningless, fuckwitted posts...posts that appear to have been posted by a tanty-throwing six year old in a lot of cases..

Still. some appeard to have enjoyed such posts...:blink:

[Grasshopperus]

I wasn't suggesting that these old threads should be unavailable, just that further comments should not be possible after it's been inactive for 6 months or so.

[R-Soul]

After reading the OP post, I was not certain whetherit was written in humour, in sarcasm, or as an analytical summary of "how to".

The thread was well written and set out the facts - most of which pointed clearly (to me anyway) that running was dumb and dangerous. I agree with Hitcher that you walk away from the post discouraged from running.

BUT:

The fact that running is even proposed as a viable OPTION is wrong from the start. It is not. It unavoidably leads to dangerous situations for you and the public. Now I dont give a fuck about you and your safety- thats your issue. But lets just say that if it was my 4 year old daughter that was smeared on the forecourt, the cops would be the LAST thing you would have to be worried about.

[Latte]

Since no one in the last 4-5 years has put truly useful advice about runners in this thread...

Best time to spot hot chicks running is in the morning I reckon, the evening ones are usually not as good, and the ones that are hot usually have their partners. I find having a bicycle with the chain off next to you means no one is suspicious of you lurking along their favorite running routes. Except when they notice the digital slr with zoom lense... then it's time to get the chain back on and leg it.

Takes about 1.3 seconds to decide if you keep purving , or look away, remember, I'm not glorifying it, but I have been known to behave like this in the past.

[White trash]

After reading the OP post, I was not certain whetherit was written in humour, in sarcasm, or as an analytical summary of "how to".

The thread was well written and set out the facts - most of which pointed clearly (to me anyway) that running was dumb and dangerous. I agree with Hitcher that you walk away from the post discouraged from running.

BUT:

The fact that running is even proposed as a viable OPTION is wrong from the start. It is not. It unavoidably leads to dangerous situations for you and the public. Now I dont give a fuck about you and your safety- thats your issue. But lets just say that if it was my 4 year old daughter that was smeared on the forecourt, the cops would be the LAST thing you would have to be worried about.

Yeah, you kind of need to know the history of what went on down here in Welly with the original poster and a group ride. After the lashing he received here, he tossed his toys, had a wee cry, sold his bike and hung up his leathers, never to be heard from again. Some motorcyclist...........

[Hiflyer]

Yeah, you kind of need to know the history of what went on down here in Welly with the original poster and a group ride. After the lashing he received here, he tossed his toys, had a wee cry, sold his bike and hung up his leathers, never to be heard from again. Some motorcyclist...........

Obviously he was a poser, just cared what everbody else thought.... OR! he got the bash.

[White trash]

Obviously he was a poser, just cared what everbody else thought.... OR! he got the bash.

Actually, Mike isn't a bad guy really, just a little misguided. I was a bit hard on him at the time tbh. Still nothing in here worth crying about :D

[Str8 Jacket]

madboy is a ginga.

Nuff said.

[avgas]

Actually, Mike isn't a bad guy really, just a little misguided. I was a bit hard on him at the time tbh. Still nothing in here worth crying about :D
Yeah you used to be an asshole.
But that was what made it good........then you went soft and bought an HSV or something.

On a serious note - weren't katman threads like the opposite of this but end in the same style?
Or a certain icecream maker?

[White trash]

Yeah you used to be an asshole.
But that was what made it good........then you went soft and bought an HSV or something.

On a serious note - weren't katman threads like the opposite of this but end in the same style?
Or a certain icecream maker?

Oh I'm still an arsehole, just have to be a bit more diplomatic given my employment now. Fuck it all.

[Kickaha]

Yeah, you kind of need to know the history of what went on down here in Welly with the original poster and a group ride. After the lashing he received here, he tossed his toys, had a wee cry, sold his bike and hung up his leathers, never to be heard from again. Some motorcyclist...........

Must be a Welly thing, who remembers wkid_one?

[White trash]

Must be a Welly thing, who remembers wkid_one?

That winner was originally from Auckland though.

[racefactory]

Though I still stand by what I said in post 163 of this thread, yeah, I feel that KB is going so vanilla that it will soon be called PC Biker, A site for all conforming cardy wearers.


Lmao! Also totally agree with the rest of what you wrote.

Also, I don't agree that there is less bullshit on the site now. Before, people were actually having fun and being more open, agreeing with each other and rejoicing. Now, there is far more bullshit speculation and bickering with the fanaticism of motorcycle safety that in reality doesn't change a thing. People now seem more to want to argue and play keyboard warriors instead. Maybe it's just the stresses of 'these tough economic times' that are coming out in people. Fuck it all.

[superman]

Anyone watch highway patrol?

Biker was speeding and zoomed off from cops on his CBR. They tried to chase but called it off for safety as ya do. Cops traced plates went to his place he denied everything. They searched his computer found pictures of him with his bike and he was fucked. :facepalm: It's all traced bake to you...

Guess if you had no incriminating evidence anywhere though............

[miloking]

How did they search his computer??? Since when does traffic police have right to sieze someones computer to look for some pictures?

[blackdog]

Anyone watch highway patrol?

Biker was speeding and zoomed off from cops on his CBR. They tried to chase but called it off for safety as ya do. Cops traced plates went to his place he denied everything. They searched his computer found pictures of him with his bike and he was fucked. :facepalm: It's all traced bake to you...

Guess if you had no incriminating evidence anywhere though............


How did they search his computer??? Since when does traffic police have right to sieze someones computer to look for some pictures?

bugger i missed it. did they have a warrant?

was this tonight on tv?... is there a link to tv on demand?

[Latte]

Highway Patrol is australian isn't it? Much tougher over there in regards to traffic offenses, licensing etc

[Madness]

The Highway Patrol thing was in Australia, seems they don't need a warrant to do whatever they like over there.

I don't remember Madboy being a Ginga, mind you I only mey him a couple of times. Wasp bought the infamous ZX6 off Madboy when he dismounted for good, anyone seen him around lately?.

As for post 204, if you can't beat 'em - join 'em I say!. Now it's Wholly Bagels I yearn for these days, so if any of you Welly folk come up to D'orchland..........

[scumdog]

How did they search his computer??? Since when does traffic police have right to sieze someones computer to look for some pictures?

You trollin'?

Or just have a lot to learn about the law?

If the second option is the accurate one - don't worry you're not the only one on KB.

[cowpoos]

I know - all the ding-bats, morons and cretins have slowly been disappearing.

nah...its now to PC and boring. a person can't have a joke or a shit stir without being lynched by the liberal PC brigade....

Been a long time since there was any of those old classic funny bitchy threads...

[cowpoos]

Maybe we could petition spankme to enable some sort of auto-lock on threads after they've been inactive for 6 months or something. That'd stop 'tards from reviving these dead-ass threads.

Pissoff homo....people like these old threads. don't read it if you don't like it!!

[cowpoos]

Oh I'm still an arsehole, just have to be a bit more diplomatic given my employment now. Fuck it all.

Whats the best make of motorcycle in the world arsehole?

[Kickaha]

Whats the best make of motorcycle in the world arsehole?

Well it isn't a Massey Ferguson you fuckwit

[cowpoos]

Well it isn't a Massey Ferguson you fuckwit

says the tugboat sized swinger....fatshit!!

[miloking]

You trollin'?

Or just have a lot to learn about the law?

If the second option is the accurate one - don't worry you're not the only one on KB.

Not trollin, just didnt see the program so have no idea what realy happend... but how does speeding away from police warrants them taking your PC, and even if they can how does fidning some pictures of your bike (likely registered in your name anyway) prove anything in regards of the traffic offence....

[schrodingers cat]

If I was write a big long post about how unprotected sex can leave you with lifetime memories due to herpes/clamidiya etc do you think teenagers would stop rooting like rabbits?

Now are you clever enough to see the parallels?

I did read the post of my own volition. I didn't have to. You were less of a tool about it than I thought you would be but it appears you have more vocabulary than brains.

As for all the cocks who post 'I've ridden with so and so and he can really handle the jandle so he's a good cunt'

Fuck off.

New Zealand has many many racetracks for the population. Speed on the road if you want to but take your knocks in the big speeding lottery

[Brett]

nah...its now to PC and boring. a person can't have a joke or a shit stir without being lynched by the liberal PC brigade....

Been a long time since there was any of those old classic funny bitchy threads...

Amen 'Poos

[The Pastor]

I think the number 1 tip when doing a runner is to breathe. It gets hard to breath with all the adrenalin pumping, but breathing is the 1st step to calming down.

[jonnyk5614]

So a mate of mine was heading down SH1 at about 180kph on the big straight bits south of Bulls.

He was on his R1


He failed to spot an oncoming cop behind a truck - oncoming cop promptly flicked on his blues....

My mate said he didn't hesitate but wound on the gas up to 250 and passed the truck he was coming up on and kept 250 for about 3 mins. He then chopped it back to 190kph for another 10 mins.
He never looked behind - just focussed on the road ahead. Eventually he hopped onto a side road and then another side road and switched the bike off to work out where he was and calm down.

He said the 250kph at 8pm on relatively empty SH1 was easy. Nice wide lanes, easy overtakes, shallow corners. He just kept focussed.
He had no wiggle room for someone pulling out of a side road but, that said, there weren't many side roads.

He doubts the cop ever pulled a U turn and at 100kph (cop) + 180kph (bike) he doubts he would have had any chance seeing his plate.

Funniest bit was when a farmer past him on the lane he parked up on the chill down. The guy turned around to come back and check if he was OK! He totally though he was busted - farmer was just being a GC lol.

Turning off the road wasn't easy. Sure an R1 will stop from 190 but he had to consciously think about not turning off at 100kph - speed perception fucked lol.

He was lucky there weren't any other cops in the area I guess.... and that he didn't crash.

[Maha]

From 2007....posted by concerned pillion.

Maha evaded capture today by Plod Inc. To be fair I just thought he was busting for a leak at the time, and was a little surprised to find the twist of his wrist happening at the place it did!

We were on our way back from Vegas and had endured the usual gauntlet of suck car drivers! I was even moved to give the universal finger salute to some stupid female that needed to pull out into our space, when she had her own Maha was too busy avoiding her I guess to react. Blew my mind then to find as we zoomed past her she was texting! Hope that was important, you caused a few more greys to appear you dumb bint!

Anyhoo, (sorry Hitcher ) as we were about to get onto the southern motorway from SH2 there was this sudden huge increase in the forward motion of Neddy! Holy crap thinks me, we better get to Bombay if he is this desperate for a leak. Yeeha, Maha! Its my new chant.

We got there, stopped and then he said ''Did you see that cop''?

''No''... ''WELL I DID''!

[Katman]

It's the return of the Wankfest.