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[Two Smoker]

The road from Maraitai to Clevdon has heaps of little gravel patches, some arent marked with signs and those ones can be on apexs of corners:eek5: :crazy:

[Firefight]

The road from Maraitai to Clevdon has heaps of little gravel patches, some arent marked with signs and those ones can be on apexs of corners:eek5: :crazy:

Yeah found that out the other day TS I thoght I had put something up about it, must have 4got. getting old ?, or so I am told, also the road from Whitford over to Brockby , about 1.5 kms all dug up and metal, Clevedon to Hunua over the hill few bits of new metal laid.

F/F

[White trash]

Come on guys! According to a few others on this site, we're all suposed to be psycic and not drop our bikes in unexpected gravel 'cause there's no such thing.

So who are you warning? :D

[Jackrat]

Well i'll just warn the other silly buggers like me.
Anywhere around Waiuku at the moment exspect to find new seal and gravel with no signs up.They seem to remove the signs a day or so after finishing work.

[Ms Piggy]

Well I just discovered 2 unmarked patches of new chip seal on my street this afternoon when I rode up, so like the anal retentive type that I am I rang the city council and complained. So there! <_<

[FROSTY]

hey maybee we should have a thread line just for warnings of road hazards :Punk:

[madandy]

Hit a patch of gravel tonight at 6pm doing 120km/h on a left hand downhill sweeper overtaking a commonwhore...at Whakamarama between Omokoroa and Te Puna, Tauranga.six inches either side of the centre line:- no signs, in the dark, lights on dip...wasn't there this morning at 6:15am...


:Oops:

[Sk8r_Boi_]

Yeah I Hate Pot Holes In The God Damn Road :argh:

[Motoracer]

That road through Hunua has some unmarked gravel bits as well! Take extream caution!!

[Sk8r_Boi_]

yeah the road workers need to need something about them and stop thinking about fixing the roads that have nothing wrong with then

[wkid_one]

Councils and Tranzits fault. They screw the prices down on roading contractors - therefore corners get cut.

I would love to see the ruling/viewpoint as to what the 'reasonable standard' is for removing road signage after work has been completed. My guess is when it is safe for a car to pass? It seems the art of brushing the road is long gone in this country after roadworks have been done.

This is always going to be a problem with biking tho - as you only need the smallest variation in the road surface to cause grief - whether it is unbrushed peametal, a rock fallen from a bank, a pot hole, diesel, etc - unfortunately given the roading state of NZ - you have to ride expecting any one of these is around the bend.

[wkid_one]

yeah the road workers need to need something about them and stop thinking about fixing the roads that have nothing wrong with then
Ummmm - try blaming the councils/Tranzit - they are the ones with the budget and roading programme. The workers are told what to do......they don't just randomly decide to dig a road up.

[Marmoot]

Brushing the road? hah!
The road where I live in was repaired a year ago, and until now it is still full of chips and metals. Where is the brush now?
Simple: They do not brush it anymore.

There is a simple solution to brushing: use hotmix......but then it would lead to increased taxation and speeding fines to finance it..
Darn.....

:doh:

[Sk8r_Boi_]

Yeah Some Other The Roads Around My Town Suck S#it Man, The Courtry Roads Are All Sweet Man Specially The Awesome Country Staights, Gotta Love The Back Roads Man

[Rocket]

Yer Man, I Like Totally Know WHere Your Coming From Man.

:)

[scroter]

Warning loose chip seal

Where : everywere if not then theres probably a smokey round the corner

[Morepower]

Complain to Transit NZ , they do take this issue seriously , let them know where and when. I attach an extract of a reply from them when I complained about this very issue.


"Reference your message to the Transit website regarding loose chip on
the Napier Gisborne section of SH2.

Transit is very sensitive to the presence of loose chip on our network
and has over recent years taken very significant steps designed to
ensure that chip is removed from sealing sites as quickly as possible,
to a reasonable standard, and that at no times will there be a lack of
warning of the presence of loose chip before it is removed. This focus
is motivated on a national basis, however, I have been pushing this
issue very hard with our local suppliers and the supervising
consultants.

Therefore, my immediate response to your primary concern is that we
have most definitely not forgotten about the needs of two wheeled
traffic, and are very focused on ensuring that loose metal on road
surfaces is managed properly to accommodate the needs of all users.
Whilst I appreciate that two wheeled traffic has particular
sensitivities, we are also catering for four wheeled varieties that seem
to have the same difficulties navigating surfaces with loose chip
present regardless of the speed restrictions and warnings that we put in
place. Indeed, it is my experience that motor cyclists appear to be more
sensible about responding to road conditions, and we seem to have far
less incidents involving them. A credit to the motor cycling
fraternity.

However, because you have queried an issue which we have particular
strategies in place to improve performance, your query was a prompt for
me to check that these strategies are functioning correctly. It is
important to be tensioning suppliers as part of the process of improving
delivery. Otherwise we seem to revert back to the old paradigms after
the heat of the new initiatives has worn off. In that regard, I do
appreciate your query/prompt.

I have appended to the bottom of this email the full response that I
got back from the consultant supervising works on this section of the
network. You will see that he is reporting that all is well, and
underlying this is confirmation that our expectations have not been
forgotten. I did get initial feedback after raising the issue with the
Contractor involved at a meeting that I attended recently to deal with
other matters. His reaction was that inattention to sweeping was not
possible within the quality control framework that he has implemented.
The follow up below has confirmed that the expected outcomes of this are
adequate.

We are experiencing some difficulties with chip seals involving several
chip sizes applied simultaneously. In some cases these have been
shedding chip after sweeping. The quantities of chip shed involved does
not result in surface contamination that is outside our service level,
but it is none-the-less undesirable and a nuisance. At present the
contractor is required to re sweep these sites regularly, and we are
investigating ways of minimising the problem. I am not sure whether it
may have been some of these two coat sites that you have experienced.
Possibly just before the re sweep they may appear to have too much loose
chip present. As I have said above, we are aware of improvement
opportunities in this area. Unfortunately two coat sealing is essential
on many parts of the Hawkes Bay network, it is not possible to re sweep
every day, neither practical to leave all of the signage in place just
in case chip is shed following sweeping. I am hopeful that a strategy
can be developed to minimise this issue.

Please let me know if there is anything further that I can do to
satisfy your concerns. Thank you for your prompt - we do appreciate
feedback from our road users."


Dave

[pete376403]

Love to see what they would say about that mess between Kaiwharawhara and Ngauranga lights. It is absolutely shithouse, and it's been down about a month. Prior to it being "fixed" it wasn't too bad.

[What?]

Whoever penned that reply needs to spend a little less time behind his desk answering queries / complaints and a bit more time on the road...

[White trash]

His reaction was that inattention to sweeping was not
possible within the quality control framework that he has implemented.
The follow up below has confirmed that the expected outcomes of this are
adequate.



So it's not possible. You must have dreamed it. :sneaky2:

[ManDownUnder]

Brushing the road? hah!
There is a simple solution to brushing: use hotmix......but then it would lead to increased taxation and speeding fines to finance it..
Darn.....

:doh:

I wonder what would happen if we got a sample of that shingle and posted to someone, have it sit in their intray pointing out that it should be pointed out...

There has got to be a way of raising the awareness of it - especially with the current "Watch out for bikes" campaign going on

... or could that just be a combination of lip srvice and excessive advertising budgets...?

[Lou Girardin]

Make sure you save that letter, especially para 2. It'll be useful for submissions on the next ACC levy increase.

[Ms Piggy]

Well I just discovered 2 unmarked patches of new chip seal on my street this afternoon when I rode up, so like the anal retentive type that I am I rang the city council and complained. So there! <_<

Actually I ahd to call the WCC 4 times before someone actually was sne to t sweep up the chip in my area. :crazy:



We are experiencing some difficulties with chip seals involving several
chip sizes applied simultaneously. In some cases these have been
shedding chip after sweeping. The quantities of chip shed involved does
not result in surface contamination that is outside our service level,
but it is none-the-less undesirable and a nuisance. At present the
contractor is required to re sweep these sites regularly, and we are
investigating ways of minimising the problem. I am not sure whether it
may have been some of these two coat sites that you have experienced.
Possibly just before the re sweep they may appear to have too much loose
chip present. As I have said above, we are aware of improvement
opportunities in this area. Unfortunately two coat sealing is essential
on many parts of the Hawkes Bay network, it is not possible to re sweep
every day, neither practical to leave all of the signage in place just
in case chip is shed following sweeping. I am hopeful that a strategy
can be developed to minimise this issue.

I used to work on a road gang and I know excessive loose chip back then was caused by the tar (had a more technical name) not being the right consistency to hold the chip or it being laid on a really cold day when the road is still frosty. The patches up my street are now mostly just shiney dangerous bald spots.

As far as no signs...isn't that something that OSH would have a field day with or ACC. Bloody hell!