Spam the Scammer?

[paturoa]

I've got a bike for sale at the moment,
( http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/trader.php?do=showad&postid=561162 )

anyway got an email from a John Ranti email rantiluv213@yahoo.com about 1 minute after I advertised it on T&E.

Well the scam goes that he sends a fake cheque for more than its worth and you send back the balance to him. He sent a 12000 euro cheque, looks genuine.

Here are some of the texts....

Hi I am very much interested in making the purchasment of your (Motorcycles ),i would like you to mail me about the condition of the Horse and if possible some pictures for me to know how it's doing .Also i will like to know if you accept Bank cheque for the payment?get back to me ASAP...Thanks. Ranti

The GS is a good steed but a horse?

I am very much intrested in purcasing your Suzuki GS1000ST ,i need you to email me with your asking price you willing to sell the Suzuki GS1000ST for me and for the shipping ?As soon as the payment cleared your bank ,i will instrust my assistance to contact you for the pick up at your destination and also sign for all the necessary document before the shipping .

and

Thanx for the mail, I really wanna buy the Suzuki GS1000ST and will be making perfect arrangements for the payment and shipping for the Suzuki GS1000ST on my behalf, I will also be making a kind offer of $6,000.00 for you to declare the Suzuki GS1000ST sold out to me and remove it from the advert and for the shipping as soon as the payment cleared into your account,i will instrust my personal assistance to contact you at your destination for the pick up at your destination . . .. .

My P.a is out of town and due to a depth i need to settle with him, I will inform my bank to mail out a Bank cheque of 10,000euro which you are to deduct my offer from and get the balance transfered to my P.a as soon as the bank cheque cash into your bank account which will enable him come over to your residence for all necessary arrangements and pickups on my own behalf.

To complet payment, I will need the complete Name and address you want the Bank checkt to be made out to with a valid phone number so payment can be done Asap cos i never want to forward the payment to the wrong address.you are to watch out for the payment in the mail by next week .

I also want you to make sure the Suzuki GS1000ST is clean and ready for pick up as soon as you have the fund in hand .

and

Why do you have to art these way i got a mail from my client that the cheque must have been recieved by you ,i will like to know the reason why you refuse to get intouch with me after all the trust i have in you and the delay of the payment is bcos of my daughter she very seek of Cancer and i no by now you must have sign for the payment in the mail while i want you to keep me posted for me to instrust you on the pick up . ...

if so keep me posted and as soon as the payment cleared into your bank account ,i want you to keep me posted for me to instrust you on how my personal assistance will contact you for the shipping at your destination ..

I want you to Cashed the bank cheque into your account and Keep me posted with the situation report from your bank today .

Anyway I've been having a bunch of laughs with my friends at work cos I found his scam by just googleing his email address.

Does anyone know how I get his email address loaded into some spam sites?

[Hitcher]

Just bank the cheque and await further instructions. If it bounces, no harm done. If it clears, email him and tell him where the bike is. Reimburse the balance by Western Union. Surely the only risk is agreeing to part with goods before the cheque clears, or passing on to another person details of your bank account, or have I missed something here?

[paturoa]

yeah agree.

And I also got the same scam from

"Laura REMOND" rlaura4ever@yahoo.com

and

"charles done" zockman_invest@yahoo.com

The last 2 had the same text and spelling mistakes.

[limbimtimwim]

If cheque did clear, and you sent back the excess, you could be laundering money for them.

But it is a woefully over complicated way of doing it.

Kinda like the prn captcha attack: http://www.boingboing.net/2004/01/27/solving_and_creating.html

[Lazy7]

just make sure you dont send him any of your bank details. thats what he's really after. he will try and suck money out of your account.

[paturoa]

Ahh, all 3 asked for my bank details up front.

I thought the scam was that it was a bad cheque and that he wanted me to send him the balance before his cheque bounced.

[Jonty]

Just bank the cheque and await further instructions. If it bounces, no harm done. If it clears, email him and tell him where the bike is. Reimburse the balance by Western Union. Surely the only risk is agreeing to part with goods before the cheque clears, or passing on to another person details of your bank account, or have I missed something here?

DON'T DO THAT - accepting money from someone you suspect is involved in a scam is more than enough grounds to have you on the hook for handling stolen money or laundering. Just ignore it and don't respond.

[Jeremy]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/cashier.asp

Just because the funds have been cleared in your account doesn't mean the cheque has completely cleared.

[Blairos]

Better still, tear up the cheque, and send a digital pic of it back to him

[bugjuice]

Streethawk is selling his Katana, and had the exact same story.
I was sus when he first told me, but pretty much told him what Hitcher has said.

I'd be real careful on it..

[froggyfrenchman]

christ! good thing i have never trusred anything on this intermaweb thingie

[Sniper]

Reply with an email saying that it is not enough and you want more, when he says no, turn him down.

[Colapop]

Perhaps very kind sirs or madams the lack of gramre, speelings and otherwise such wonderous uses of the uses of the Engrish wranguage mayhap suggestions of inproprietrees upon the house of your fathers. This gentleman fo honerous intentions should be trusted to engage services upon your person such that trusting and unprotestations hsould not be held against him.....

Did he not asking for his sister's hand to be your for the marrying thereof?

[paturoa]

Reply with an email saying that it is not enough and you want more, when he says no, turn him down.


lol

Why don't I say I've had a much better offer (from one of the other scammers), send them each others email and get them to haggle amongst themselves....

[ManDownUnder]

Tell trademe what you suspect is happening and ask them to shut the account down if they see fit...

[Colapop]

Plaese be assured that your utmost copfidential and hearty undertakings in this matter will be observed. I am assure you that my offer can only last for a times that is not long.


(Get him to post a cash clearance fee - in cash)

[R6_kid]

spend a bit of time finding a few "free porn" sites and add the email adresses you get spammed from as your email adress. - You get free porn, and they get spam. :laugh:

[Dont_die_wondering]

spend a bit of time finding a few "free porn" sites and add the email adresses you get spammed from as your email adress. - You get free porn, and they get spam. :laugh: LMFAO i did that to someone once :laugh:

[Dont_die_wondering]

lol

Why don't I say I've had a much better offer (from one of the other scammers), send them each others email and get them to haggle amongst themselves.... :lol: ahaha

[paturoa]

spend a bit of time finding a few "free porn" sites and add the email adresses you get spammed from as your email adress. - You get free porn, and they get spam. :laugh:

Only one PC going at the moment and the kids use it too, so cant cruise porn.

:oi-grr:

[Insanity_rules]

Ahh, all 3 asked for my bank details up front.

I thought the scam was that it was a bad cheque and that he wanted me to send him the balance before his cheque bounced.

Did any of em send a cheque? I had fun with one of the Nigerian funds clearing scammers once, lasted about 20 odd emails and was very entertaining, thought I'd play with this tosser. Then I subscribed his email address to anything i could find ie: Treasures nappy club, Baptist church in Orlando, Enima fetish site, Lactation fanciers, A thing called bear chasers for homosexual men who fancy hairy large homosexual men, goldfish fanciers, Some neonazi site from America, a society of Scandanavian adult diaper wearers, a Russian mail order bride company and rotten.com's pic of the day.

Finally I hunted down some evidence of this very persons scam from the internet and sent him a very scolding email about what he was doing with attached evidence asking him what kind of chump he took me for and asked how he liked all the timewasting emails I sent him.

Teach this tard a lesson he wont forget in a hurry!

[sefer]

Hey, sounds like a forged cashiers check scam that was common about a year ago (and still is), they send you a cashiers check, which is a forgery, however there such good forgerys that the bank doesn't find out until it gets back to it suposed bank of origin(anything up to a month). In the mean time your bank have payed out on it, and you've done what ever with your goods. Your bank then goes and takes all the money it's paid out back.

[Rhino]

Does anyone know how I get his email address loaded into some spam sites?
Check out http://www.spamcop.net/

They are pretty agressive with spammers and their ISP's

[Toast]

Hey, sounds like a forged cashiers check scam that was common about a year ago (and still is), they send you a cashiers check, which is a forgery, however there such good forgerys that the bank doesn't find out until it gets back to it suposed bank of origin(anything up to a month). In the mean time your bank have payed out on it, and you've done what ever with your goods. Your bank then goes and takes all the money it's paid out back.

Oooo....so that's how it works...I was wondering how the dude plannd to make any money, or steal the bike, or whatever, since he didn't ask for an address, or bank details, or anything.

[R6_kid]

what you could do is have two accounts at seperate banks... just make money of the interest from these tards... get the money from one bank, put it in a high interest earner account for a month and you should get around $120 out of 20k in that time. Would just have to be a deal where you can draw the money back at anytime...

[XTC]

Have a look here
http://www.scambusters.com/

[Quartida]

Tell trademe what you suspect is happening and ask them to shut the account down if they see fit...

Was this on TradeMe?
I thought it was Trade and Exchange?

...that's the problem with T&E. There's no way of dealing with these sorts of people. TM does a good job, the system's really good. But a place like T&E has no way of controlling this sort of thing.

[Quartida]

Then I subscribed his email address to anything i could find ie: Treasures nappy club, Baptist church in Orlando, Enima fetish site, Lactation fanciers, A thing called bear chasers for homosexual men who fancy hairy large homosexual men, goldfish fanciers, Some neonazi site from America, a society of Scandanavian adult diaper wearers, a Russian mail order bride company and rotten.com's pic of the day.

Haha, that's awesome.

Damn, that makes you realise how easy it is to do that to someone. I bet there are lots of disgrunted thirteen year olds who just sign up people they don't like.

Modern technology :oi-grr:

[Cookie]

Sounds all very dodgy. I would notify T&E that their customers are being targeted with this.

Even if they did send a valid cheque (did I just see a flying pig?) you could be laundering money for them (not good).

You could "play" with them but they already have a fair idea who and where you are so I would not recommend it in this situation.

I have played quite a bit with Nigerian scammers but only the dumb ones get caught up for long - fun though.

For that sort of thing I would recommend using a proxy server to mask your actual IP address (DIY) or better yet, use a proper anonymous email service. Those guys sometimes play for keeps and hotmail or yahoo etc are by no means anonymous enough for such play IMO). :sherlock:

Best wishes on the sale of the bike anyway.

Uncle Cookie

[Edbear]

This sort of stuff has been around for a long time, now. HAd it tried on me a while ago. I just replied that I wasn't as green as I was cabbage looking and said for him to come give me the cash. Never heard from him again. It amazes me how many are still being sucked in by these Nigerian scams.
Sounds like your instincts were working, good on you.

[Dont_die_wondering]

. Then I subscribed his email address to anything i could find ie: Treasures nappy club, Baptist church in Orlando, Enima fetish site, Lactation fanciers, A thing called bear chasers for homosexual men who fancy hairy large homosexual men, goldfish fanciers, Some neonazi site from America, a society of Scandanavian adult diaper wearers, a Russian mail order bride company and rotten.com's pic of the day.

Teach this tard a lesson he wont forget in a hurry! AHAHAHAHA :lol: :killingme imagine if his missus checked his inbox for him LOOOOOOOOOL