1100 or Thou?

[Colapop]

Why the difference in only 100cc's once you get to this size bike? I would have thought that there wouldn't be much difference between them? I get making a 750 and a Thou - 250 is a big difference. Sure I can see that different manufacturers have their own take on things - Ducati's 999 and Honda's 800 (in the 750's case). But Suzuki making a GSXR1000 and a GSXR1100? I just don't understand the difference. Please enlighten me without getting too technical.

[James Deuce]

The GSXR1000 replaced the GSXR1100.

Cos it was lighter, better, and faster, while only giving up a smidgeon of torque.

[Colapop]

Ok, if a model has been replaced. Is that the same with the VFR series ie the 750 & 800's?

[MSTRS]

GSXR1100 in it's various forms ran from around 1980 through to 1997 (I think). Advances in engine design allowed as much or more power from a smaller engine, hence the birth of the living legend....

[Colapop]

Must have been '99, there's one on Tardme (got a engine prob though)

[James Deuce]

Ok, if a model has been replaced. Is that the same with the VFR series ie the 750 & 800's?

No. The gear driven cam 800s were a development of the previous 750. The later cam-chain and VTEC 800s are essentially an iteration of the same design philosophy.

The GSXR1000 represented a different design philosophy to the 1100 in that it went to the lighter, smaller, and stiffer modus operandi of a race bike for the road, instead of the road biased design of the 1100.

[Korumba]

My 1100 is 1052ml so I got the best of both!!!

[Madness]

Over the years the R&D departments of the major manufacturers have made advances in metal technology and design in motorcycle engines. This has lead to a move away from heavy crankshaft torque monsters of the 80's to more efficient,smaller lighter,higher revving powerplants. Advances in R&D over the past 20 years have been in conjunction with an increased ability to produce volume at a reasonable cost.

I was talking to a bloke I know last weekend. He had just posted his GSXR1100 on tardme. Has a blown gearbox or sumthin, he's not nice to his bikes :angry: . I can't be bothered to go find it, post a link??

[Fatjim]

I'd suggest you start at a 50 or maybe a 100cc bike.

[cowpoos]

mate a gsxr1100 would be perfect for a guy of your size...and the later model ones apparently handle priddy good!! [the ones with the braced swingarm]...

if its a good price.....be worth a look....also the first of the gsxr1000's would be a good buy for you too....the K1....onearmedbandit has one and loves it to pieces and WT borrows one regularly and never says a bad thing bout it...

[Colapop]

I'd suggest you start at a 50 or maybe a 100cc bike.
That's what you started on FJ?? I'll be giving you the learn if I get a motor in that frame...

Poos - just more thinks on bike. It's an everyday thing - thinking about a bike! One day Roger Finch, one day....

This (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-54543128.htm) is the one I was talking about, MD

[TONO]

I think the 1100's were carburated motors weighed around 200kgs and 130hp[while the Gixxer 1000 is fuel injected and weighed 170kgs with 160 hp not a small difference. Its called modern technology.

[gav]

Think also 1000cc limit for alot of road racing classes may have had something to do with it.

[imdying]

I get the impression you thought they were both made at once?

[Bangbug]

1000's 1100's, man, you must have a lot to carry around.
If i had the choice......... I'd have a 600.
750's go real fast in a straight line too (praise be to the lordly gsxr750) (280kmph nuf for me, time to give the bike back!!!)
1000's.... sure, as the last post said, damn near 1hp to 1kg (bike, not you included :P)
Only ridden a 1000 v-twin, it was silly, makes your rear tyres octagonal (power strokes taking rubber off, lol)
1100's? Whoooooweeeeeee, you buying a car or a bike?
Why not just buy a triumph rocket? lol :) Perhaps a kawasaki 2-litre v-twin? (i forget the name, shuddup i'm tired)
So for my 2 cents get a 1000 and don't poo your pants.
I will do that for you
:sunny: rainbows and lollypops. xooxoxo

[sugilite]

100 CC in racing terms means plenty! I recently went to a big bore kit on my ZX9R (now a ZX998R!) and what a difference!
In the old production racing days, the top teams used to go to the last oversize, which would gain a few extra valuable cc's. So yeah, it definitly makes a difference.

For road purposes, for bikes of that capacity, 100cc's means dick really.:scooter:

Personally, I view the old GSXR1100's as very fast lazy boys with a wheel at each end, esp the early 18 inch wheel models! You could sledge the front end all day long and stay shiny side up on those babes!:yes:

[Colapop]

1000's 1100's, man, you must have a lot to carry around...
Yeah a little bit - I'm 6'4" and 115kgs.
So far, as I understand it, it's really only technology that is the difference between them. In broader terms, different manufacturers call their various stedds 1000's, 1100's or whatever by virtue of being within 50cc of the 'desired' target? I've been told that I should be getting a thou over a 750. How is a thou or 1100 going to be different for me?

[James Deuce]

Buy what you want, not what someone else says you "should" buy. Try stuff, don't buy based on opinions in an Internet forum.

Every bike is fun, but you need to buy something that fits you. After the 650 single you had, any modern IL4 600c and up is going to feel like a rocketship.

[Fatjim]

don't poo your pants.
I will do that for you
:sunny: rainbows and lollypops. xooxoxo

What the fuck?

[vifferman]

No. The gear driven cam 800s were a development of the previous 750. The later cam-chain and VTEC 800s are essentially an iteration of the same design philosophy.
What he said.
The 800's motor (781cc compared to 748 for the 750s) looks the same at first glance, but is completely new: EFI vs. carbs, cast-in cylinder liners vs. pressed-in ones, engine as a stressed member (and swingarm pivoting off it)vs. full frame, etc.
The first 800s (1998-2001) were supposedly based on the RC45 (Yeah, right!), hence the RC46 designation, and have a shorter stroke (a whole 0.6mm!!) and 2mm bigger bore. Why they didn't go to 900cc or even 1000 is a mystery, and lost Honda a few sales to other marques.

[Colapop]

About the only problem I've heard about with the VFR's is the cam chain tensioner breaking? I reckon a VFR1000 would be magic!

[MSTRS]

Yeah a little bit - I'm 6'4" and 115kgs.
So far, as I understand it, it's really only technology that is the difference between them. In broader terms, different manufacturers call their various stedds 1000's, 1100's or whatever by virtue of being within 50cc of the 'desired' target? I've been told that I should be getting a thou over a 750. How is a thou or 1100 going to be different for me?
750/1000/1100.....little to no difference on the road*. If you are talking about GSXRs, they are all sprotbikes with the usual 'cramped' rider position.
* the 1100s are much heavier tho, a little harder to throw around, but have huge torque compared to their smaller brothers (sisters?) so are perhaps better suited to touring

[Lou Girardin]

100 cc's is 10% bigger than a thou = 10% more torque = nearly 10% more power. Check out the cost of getting that with aftermarket bolt on goodies.

[Colapop]

That's kinda what it gets back to I suppose - bang for buck. I'm gonna (fniggers crossed) have about $5k to spend.

[Str8 Jacket]

(fniggers crossed)

Are you being racist? :nya:

This "word" has popped up in almost every reply... :wait:

[James Deuce]

Why do they call them "fingers"?

I've never seen them fing. Ever.

[Str8 Jacket]

Why do they call them "fingers"?

I've never seen them fing. Ever.

Bit like noses smell, but they dont call them smellers either... Strange language this english...

[snuffles]

Why do they call them "fingers"?

I've never seen them fing. Ever.


what are you doing commenting in this post, you own a girls bike.......anything under a thou:first:

[WRT]

Yeah a little bit - I'm 6'4" and 115kgs.

Mwhahahaha, just picturing in my head what you woulda looked like in that little Diahatsu. Come to think of it, you shouldnt have sold it, you shoulda just mounted some handle bars on the roof, taken the wheels off one side and then straddled the damn thing - there's ya bike!

[vifferman]

About the only problem I've heard about with the VFR's is the cam chain tensioner breaking? I reckon a VFR1000 would be magic!
The VTec ones had a few recalls, for alternator upgrades (x2), subframes (though no-one seems to have had one break), brake seals. But this is Murka, where they're mighty afeerd of lawyers suing 'em. So you're quite right - the camchain tensioner (what a surprise :rolleyes: !) is the only real weakness, apart from a dodgy wiring loom with a tendency to stop things working or catch on fire. :eek: