Binning it: Bikes or Cars

[merv]

Following on from the thread on the LTSA ads and this quote:


What I'd like to know is the true statistics of Motorcyclists requiring acc. Also a breakdown of those accidents by solo bin, involving car and car at fault. I have a feeling that most accidencts requiring acc involve cars at fault (sorry I didn't see you).

If that's the case I would like to know why it isn't car registrations that are more expensive. As by rights they are therefore causing a larger drain on the system than bikers themselves are. Yet because the biker ends up worse off in the accident we're penalized twice (once by getting hurt and two, by having to pay more for the privilege).

I must say I'm concerned for the costs of insurance as well as ACC for bikers when I hear about so many bikes getting binned by members of this forum and mostly they seem to have been rider losing control type accidents i.e. they didn't get hit by a car and luckily generally injuries seem to have been light, as you are right, get hit by a car and you'll probably get injured.

Now the question is, having been on this forum for over a year I've heard of a lot of bike bins, but in that time how many on this forum have binned a car? If we knew that we might have some idea as to what the ratio is. Any one want to own up to binning a car. Or are bikers generally better car drivers so we don't bin our cars?

I can start; not me - haven't binned a car (yet!).

[FROSTY]

well um er um-- :mad: me actually--got smacked in the backside and wrote the car off.
What is also interesting is do for example -farm bike accidents get counted as bike or farm equipment accidents.
same with guys at say woodhill --do they go down as bike or recreational accidents.

[marty]

neither from me, not for want of trying though, and i do about equal miles in car and on bike. i'm learning to fly at the moment - fingers crossed i will keep that straight too! a very windy, bouncy crossed up day today. and anyone who says flying is like riding a bike fast - i can't see the comparison actually, unless you're trying to get your bike down, crossed up, from 1000 metres onto what appears to be a very small piece of grass.....

[Devil]

Not recent.
in mid '98 I wrote off dads shitty prelude.
17yr old, restricted licence. Inexperienced. Id put it all down to that.

Spent the last 5 years being careful and getting my insurance to its full no claims status that it is now. Due my choice of cages, its been a pretty expensive few years :/

[jrandom]

I think the comparison is a little skewed, for the simple reason that you can't fall off a car. 'Loss of control' in a cage often does not cause an accident - you can skid around a little and carry on. On a bike, you fall off. Boom. 'Accident'.

Bearing that in mind, I've only ever crashed a car once - rear-ended someone while linking onto the southern motorway from the northwestern. There had already been two identical accidents in that spot in the previous 15 minutes, and another identical one happened about 5 minutes after mine while I was on the road shoulder with the guy I hit. Bit of a dodgy piece of road it is there - moderate 100kph traffic feeding into the back of a stopped queue.

Of course, an HP cop was there already, so I got a $150 ticket for failing to maintain safe following distance or some such. It was humourous, in a sad way, watching him cut off in the middle of talking to me and sprint off toward the accident that followed mine with ticketbook in hand. Would have been a shame if that car had still been drivable and had escaped the scene with only his repair bills to pay.

[Jackrat]

I've crashed Cars,bikes,and a jet boat.
Don't think I will ever bother trying to fly a plane.
With my record I think it would be pushing my luck a bit.

[DEATH_INC.]

Let me put it like this.....CARS DON'T PULL OUT IN FRONT OF 4WD's........they do however pull out in front of bikes,for some reason......

[White trash]

No car "bins"

But a mate of mine had a long standing record (not sure if it still stands) as being the only personn to ever ROLL A TRAIN in the Wellington rail yards!

Boy, we got some mileage outta that :Oops:

[MikeL]

First and last time I wrote a car off was 1970 (and it wasn't my fault). No accidents at all since 1986 (again not my fault).
One bike binned (my fault: can't blame the corner and the gravel for being there).
About to resume flying lessons once I get medical clearance. Aiming for no bins at all there.

[Motu]

Haven't really had many majors in cars,although the last one with a customers car was $2700 worth.Lost a car at 120kph on gravel and went off road,nearly end for end as all I could see was grass out the screen,could still drive it but the suspn was totaled,no one else remotly involved or anywhere near.

Never insured a bike and cars only recently get third party - company vehicles get the works as part of the package.

[wkid_one]

Much the same as JR - you name it - BMX's, mountain bikes, road bikes, motorbikes, cars, skateboards, electric scooters, trucks, vans, utes, surfboards, snowboards and so the list goes on....I've crashed it at one stage or another.

Hell I'd even manage to crash a train if I got a chance to drive one.

[Yamahamaman]

I can start; not me - haven't binned a car (yet!).

How nice - you have a car!!

[Yamahamaman]

Bearing that in mind, I've only ever crashed a car once - rear-ended someone while linking onto the southern motorway from the northwestern. There had already been two identical accidents in that spot in the previous 15 minutes, and another identical one happened about 5 minutes after mine while I was on the road shoulder with the guy I hit. Bit of a dodgy piece of road it is there - moderate 100kph traffic feeding into the back of a stopped queue.

Posted Speed limit is 80kph there too.

[jrandom]

Posted Speed limit is 80kph there too.

No it snot. I crashed about, oh, 50m before the place where the 80kph signs are now.

And in any case this happened some years back, before they changed that part of the motorway to an 80 zone.

[Cajun]

I crashed a car but i had only been driving for about 6 months really, i had been riding the bike for the 3 weeks before hand cause of primo weather, this weekend weather was bad, and took car to work, coming home at 5pm on a saturday aquaplaned on water on the tauranga expressway(this is very bad for it) and in end just about lost my head with a fence post that went thru the windscreen.

2 motorbike acctients, both minor, one was scooter years ago in auckland i use to deliver papers on it, carrying bag load of papers, strap broke on bag thru me off, scooter landed on akle, in cast for one week throug it might be broken after but nothing, so back to work. Second leaving another job at 8am in morning, coming out of a corner, rear hit a oil patch and off we go, this was at about 10km/h no injuys but a broken handle bar.

And so i have been riding bikes on the road for over 10 years, and driving a car for maybe 2 or 3 really

[fpsware]

No car accidents at all. And 2 bike accidents both not my fault. First got hit behind at a set of lights, second truck pulled out in front of me.

I must admit my driving has changed since riding a bike. I am more defensive on the road.

[MD]

a mate of mine had a long standing record (not sure if it still stands) as being the only personn to ever ROLL A TRAIN in the Wellington rail yards!

Bet he was trying to get his knee down! That always catches locomotive drivers out.

[Jackrat]

Let me put it like this.....CARS DON'T PULL OUT IN FRONT OF 4WD's........they do however pull out in front of bikes,for some reason......
Sorry to disagree but the wallys do.
My last close call was a bloke that thought it was more important to talk to his mate than keep an eye on the road,He didn't see me but you should of seen the eye balls on his mate,,he sure did. :laugh:
Of course they don't do it as often aye!

[Kickaha]

I've rolled one car and been a passenger in two other rolllover accidents,to be fair only one was on a public road and we were trying pretty hard(Mk2 Cortina with a 3 litre V6 in it)

I've been a passenger in a car vs bike accident in which the rider cut a corner and the pillon had to have his leg amputated.

I've been on a bike in a car vs bikes accident which wrote off three bikes (out of four) and a van and I walked away with minor bruises.

I'd rather crash a car it hurts less!

[Shazuki]

I marked me Mini Moke up against a fence about 17 years ago while adjusting the radio :spudwhat:

Another time, in a Holden LC Torana travelling at 100mph, My stupid passenger ripped the handbrake and sent us rolling(8-10 times) off the road through a fence, down a bank to wind up upside down in a wet, boggy paddock. :doctor:

never dropped a bike, but.

[madandy]

I wrecked my RX7 as a 18year old...hit gravel under hard braking 30metres befor a T intersection...slid accross the road got her pointing the right way and accellerating( lots of smoke) only to hit more gravel on the opposite shoulder and slam into railway sleeper fence posts...the whole exhaust system just dropped to the ground and the rear hatch was bent horribly out of shape.

I learnt a valuable lesson there about late braking... :niceone:

[SPman]

Wrecked a new Hillman Hunter in '69 in Kings Cross, when I went to sleep at the wheel between 2 intersections and got T boned by a taxi! Thats what 22hrs at work and no food for 15 hrs does to you!
Just got a works car in '99, had it for 2 days and had a young guy in Dad's Legacy RS reckon he could get across from a Give Way sign when I was 25m from him.......he didn't make it. Saw him when I was down at the panelbeaters, the next morning....with his dad. Actually felt sorry for the poor sod...the barracking he was getting when his Dad saw the car was far in excess of anything I could of thought of! And the eyeballs of his passengers...yeah, Jack...like possums in the headlights!

[Ms Piggy]

Well I've been driving since I was 16 and I haven't had an accident driving but I caused one back in 1997 :o I dunno what the hell I was thinking!! I'm cringing just remembering it! I changed lanes without looking and caused 2 cars behind me to collide! SHAME! Minor damage to both cars which I paid for.

Only started riding at the end of last year and had the bin on my bike last month & you all know about that! :shit:

[boris]

one car crash,seat belts work,i was knocked out cold. woke up on way to hospital.three motor bike crashes.Hit by a car on my pushbike as a kid,no helmet, so i was very mucked up in the head,didn't know were the hell i was or any thing else. .it wound be the most freakie thing i have ever been though.Dislocated shoulder crashing mt-bike at nignt rode home,doctor pushed it back into place next morning.

Boris

[Holy Roller]

one car crash,seat belts work,i was knocked out cold.

Boris

I hate seat belts :Oi: back in the very early 80s 5 of my school mates died when drag racing, came to a one lane bridge no one chickened out :shit: :shit: :shit: Only one survived the others drowned as they couldn't get their seat belts undone.... Another reason to ride a bike NO seatbelts.
Being a suicidal scycopath at school I wrote off several cars :sick: Hilman Imp fell asleep on the Brynderwyns, Morris 1100 into a ditch at Ruakaka, Mk4 Zypher on the gravel going to Tutukaka, HD Holden blew up literally just out of Silverdale. Then God Found me and things changed. Starded to bin bikes instead but not cause I was suicidal, just over confident.