Are there any crap bikes any more???

[gunnyrob]

OK, Here we go..... Are there any REALLY CRAP bikes made any more????
GIVEN that speed limits are 100+9kmh
GIVEN that petrol is <$1.70/litre
GIVEN that NZ Roads are generally crap (especially during these REALLY exciting winter months)
GIVEN there are LOTS of speed cameras etc.
GIVEN that any review for ANY M/C in ANY M/C Magazine MAY indicate a slight problem (such as Shedloads of vibration in the grips) but still recommend any bike tested.

GIVEN the above, I RECKON THAT A Brand new 2006 GSX 750F that is available for $10.995 is pretty good, let alone a flash harry anything else.

Can ANYONE PROVE ME WRONG??????!!!!!!!

If you can, please recommend a fantastic alternative machine that can fulfill an average motorcycling dream in NZ's current climate. (Other than a trade me hack) Otherwise why spend more than $11k on a brand new bike of any other brand?????

(Trust me, please prove me wrong)

[kickingzebra]

Yes, to be a true master of yourself, you must buy a GSXR. there is no other way my jedi to be...

[Edbear]

Personally I agree with you, but we must face the fact that motorcycles are not bought on purely practical grounds. They are mostly an emotional purchase refelecting the individual's personal likes and dislikes. They are like women, (sorry, should say "persons"), in a way, each appeals to different tastes and what one finds attractive another doesn't. :innocent:

[Quasievil]

OK, Here we go..... Are there any REALLY CRAP bikes made any more????


Yeah

Bandits, Harleys, Boulevards, thats without thinking to hard about it:doobey:

[James Deuce]

There are no crap bikes. But. The GSX600F is better value than the GSX750F. It only gives away 8 HP to the 750, is slightly lighter, and costs $9995.

You may also be able to pick up a new '05 Kawasaki Z750S for $11000 is you know who to ask. Better than both GSXF's if you ask me, but then I'm biased.

[Pwalo]

You could always look at the new Kawasaki ER6. Seems to get good reviews and should be cheap to run.

If you're really looking for a bike that's cheap to maintain as well as run, you could look at the ER5 or GS500. Parallel twins have less valves (well everything I guess), are usually easier to work on so should cost you less in servicing costs.

Your choice is also comprimised a bit by what sort of riding you want to do (ie commuting, touring?), and also your physical dimensions. Not much use you getting a V Strom if you're 5'2", or a GSXR if your 6'5".

I also presume that you've got your full licence? Otherwise it's the 250s for you.

But the guys are right. You don't usually buy a bike purely on logic, or we'd all be riding around on 125cc singles.

[Lou Girardin]

No crap bikes, just crap riders with little dicks.

[jonbuoy]

Yeah

Bandits, Harleys, Boulevards, thats without thinking to hard about it:doobey:


I Heard those bandits were good bikes - not so? They can't be that bad with an old school GSXR motor slung in them.

[Lou Girardin]

I Heard those bandits were good bikes - not so? They can't be that bad with an old school GSXR motor slung in them.

They're fine bikes. And Harleys outsell Kermit bikes by miles.
Some people are a little one eyed.

[Bend-it]

That's right, Bandits are outstanding bikes!! Even the 250s! Don't go about lowering the value of my bike with mindless mutterings! ;)

[iwilde]

I took the KTM950SM for a test ride from AMPS yesterday, perfect for NZ roads anytime of the year, and heaps of fun to! I'd be happy to ride this bike in any weather, anytime of the year plus I love the look of it!

[Crisis management]

There are no crap bikes, anything with two wheels and an engine is better than not having two wheels and an engine, having said that there are quite a few I wouldn't be seen dead on!
I enjoy the random variety of bikes and their riders, if we start dictating personal taste we will lose all of that, and kill all the arguments on this site.....

[Finn]

Some people are a little one eyed.

My blue vein chuck monster has one eye... and it's not little either.

[T.W.R]

Pull ya head in fella :angry:

It wasn't that many years ago that the open road speed limit was only 80kmh and to boot now the open road limit tolerance level is lower than the 10% variation.
If you got to worry about the cost of fuel then you shouldn't even have a motor vehicle.
Our roads aren't as bad as many countries around the world, thats why so many come here to tour because we have the roads & the scenary
Ha speed cameras lols woopdee shit, the fixed location ones everyone knows about & the mobile ones are easy to spot let alone any other vehicle that has passed one warns you anyhow.
As for magazine tests, its their job to point out minor faults & failings of new bikes. but those faults & failings that one person identifys my be something that another person couldn't give a monkeys left tit about. Half the testers live in a fantasy world spoilt by riding the creame of the crop bikes all the time, where as go check what their personal bike is, it may very well be older & something that another tester had faulted quite badly.

Its all about individual choice of machine, theres no such thing as a crap bike, theres plenty of crap riders. The bike that suits one may not suit another and that definately doesn't make it a crap bike :nono:

[dawnrazor]

Can ANYONE PROVE ME WRONG??????!!!!!!!



Easy to argue a point with only one set of parameters, however by your reckoning we should all be farting about on 125s.

If you want a GSX750F then get one. Are you looking for justification or something?

How about because I can and thats all the proof you need.

[Lou Girardin]

My blue vein chuck monster has one eye... and it's not little either.

I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I'M NOT GAY.

[Finn]

I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I'M NOT GAY.

I know, but you've slept with a few guys that were.

[Lou Girardin]

I know, but you've slept with a few guys that were.

All cats are grey in the dark.

BTW when are you getting the Boxster?

[imdying]

Anything that overtakes a truck better, is better on NZ roads. That makes the GSXR1000 better than the GSX750 :)

[Finn]

All cats are grey in the dark.

BTW when are you getting the Boxster?

The Boxster? I don't drive hairdressers cars. Mine is the real deal. Don't you mean the Agusta?

[Lou Girardin]

The Boxster? I don't drive hairdressers cars. Mine is the real deal. Don't you mean the Agusta?

Did you miss the vicious inference?

[vs04]

Yeah

Bandits, Harleys, Boulevards, thats without thinking to hard about it:doobey:
And to make that assumption you,ve obviously owned all three.

[Bonez]

OK, Here we go..... Are there any REALLY CRAP bikes made any more????
GIVEN that speed limits are 100+9kmh
GIVEN that petrol is <$1.70/litre
GIVEN that NZ Roads are generally crap (especially during these REALLY exciting winter months)
GIVEN there are LOTS of speed cameras etc.
GIVEN that any review for ANY M/C in ANY M/C Magazine MAY indicate a slight problem (such as Shedloads of vibration in the grips) but still recommend any bike tested.

GIVEN the above, I RECKON THAT A Brand new 2006 GSX 750F that is available for $10.995 is pretty good, let alone a flash harry anything else.

Can ANYONE PROVE ME WRONG??????!!!!!!!

If you can, please recommend a fantastic alternative machine that can fulfill an average motorcycling dream in NZ's current climate. (Other than a trade me hack) Otherwise why spend more than $11k on a brand new bike of any other brand?????

(Trust me, please prove me wrong)
Why buy an $11,000 750 when a 3 hundy 500 has all the bases covered and will actually go up in value :p

[mdb]

I think there is heaps of difference in bikes .... I tried a GSXF (750) then got on the ThunderCat. The difference in handling and feel of the bike while on the road was incredible. A friend (who is bike mechanic) reckons you get what you pay for and an 11k bike isn't anything like a 17k bike.

Buy a slightly used R6, CBR, 636, GSXR, Daytona (if you want a sports bike).

[Lord Derosso]

I enjoy mine immensely. She is a commuter when I need to travel around Wellington , shes fun around a good windly ocean road, and can move fast enough for me when I need to pass, even in 6th gear. Cruises very comfortablely at legal speeds and is really only happy at at least 120kph.
and I am still getting around 75kms per 4 litres for open road useage. I have had bigger bikes but 86HP is enough and looking forward to doing some touring end of the year. I understand the later models are only 80HP ??? If thats the case what HP is the latest 750F ??

[Gazman]

No crap bikes, just crap riders with little dicks.

hehe :scooter:

[Quasievil]

And to make that assumption you,ve obviously owned all three.

No of course not , theyre shite I said that already

[Insanity_rules]

I think there is heaps of difference in bikes .... I tried a GSXF (750) then got on the ThunderCat. The difference in handling and feel of the bike while on the road was incredible. A friend (who is bike mechanic) reckons you get what you pay for and an 11k bike isn't anything like a 17k bike.

Buy a slightly used R6, CBR, 636, GSXR, Daytona (if you want a sports bike).

If there wasn't any difference you couldnt justify the price I guess. I second the above choice of bikes too. I like my hondas but took a rap on a 636 and it was the ducks guts I gotta say.

[vs04]

No of course not , theyre shite I said that already
So you,ve ridden all three then,or are you that knowledgeable that you can tell something is shit by just looking at it.:wait:

[Lou Girardin]

So you,ve ridden all three then,or are you that knowledgeable that you can tell something is shit by just looking at it.:wait:

No he can't. Look at what he rides.

[carver]

i have owned all these and found them to be bad,or should that be not good enough(quality, relability, performance)

suzuki savage, bad top end
GSX-R 250 , shite valve and carb setup
the NEW GN250, cheap[ and nasty
Yamaha XZ 400 (real bad!), heavy, electrical nightmare, slow....
suzuki sj125, pathetic build quality, shite exhaust!

just to name a few.
some good ones
Yamaha DT 175, well built, wheelies easy, tough, light....
Honda NXR 125 (a 4 stoke 125 that keeps up with the dt in standard trim!)
FXR 150, rusty but good overall package
SG 350 suzuki, handles A++
honda NH125, relable, easy to ride, cheap

there are plenty more, but thats my list!:innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

And any boxer powered Beemer ever built......

[Lord Derosso]

once. Darn heavy brick of a sod. Especially after riding my XV500 V twin Yamie . Now that was a nice light cruiser with no engine in sight like the old SR500 single. How are you???

[Crasherfromwayback]

have had a couple of days off mate due to the ankle giving me a bit of trouble, but all good other wise!

[froggyfrenchman]

Yeah

Bandits, Harleys, Boulevards, thats without thinking to hard about it:doobey:

Agree, but witholding comment on the bandits, as I have never riden one, so see myself as unqualified to comment

[froggyfrenchman]

And any boxer powered Beemer ever built......

I would have to disagree... I have done some big tours on these beasts. Admitadbly (sp) they are not sports bikes. They are super reliable, comfortable and easy to ride for days on end. Like the humble gn250, they are nothing fantastic on top end or handling. But fuful the job they were designed for with flying colours.

If you still dont beleive me... Go test ride a bmw boxer cup:yes:

[vs04]

Agree, but witholding comment on the bandits, as I have never riden one, so see myself as unqualified to comment
Which of the boulevards did you ride and for how long.There,s a few models.

[froggyfrenchman]

Twas a couple of years old. Just cruisers arnt my cup of tea. Im sure they are a good bike if you are into that sort of thing. Different strokes for us different folks

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would have to disagree... I have done some big tours on these beasts. Admitadbly (sp) they are not sports bikes. They are super reliable, comfortable and easy to ride for days on end. Like the humble gn250, they are nothing fantastic on top end or handling. But fuful the job they were designed for with flying colours.

If you still dont beleive me... Go test ride a bmw boxer cup:yes:
I possibly would believe you if it wasn't for the fact I've worked in two Beemer dealerships......they are no more reliable than any late 70's or early eighties Jap multi, and nowhere near as good.
Unless it's a competition to see which one warms your feet the best....

[Lou Girardin]

In some peoples minds, reliable means "I can fix it on the roadside".

[madboy]

What about some people who don't care about speed limits, speed cameras, fuel prices and that? That makes a lot of crap bikes out there. But I bet the people riding most of those crap bikes reckon they're wonderful, and can't understand how people like me don't have rooted wrists and knees, and still have licenses, from riding our sportsbikes.

[vs04]

Twas a couple of years old. Just cruisers arnt my cup of tea. Im sure they are a good bike if you are into that sort of thing. Different strokes for us different folks
Yep,it would be a boring old world if we all liked the same thing.i think the best way to look at bikes would be the same way i look at beer,there,s no such thing as a bad beer,it,s just some are better than others.

[froggyfrenchman]

Yep,it would be a boring old world if we all liked the same thing.i think the best way to look at bikes would be the same way i look at beer,there,s no such thing as a bad beer,it,s just some are better than others.
Very diplomatic:first:

[Deviant Esq]

Honda CB900 Hornet - $10,995. Skelstar would be proud of me for bringing it up...

I've also heard plenty of good things about the SV650, but it probably isn't quite what you're after.


A friend (who is bike mechanic) reckons you get what you pay for and an 11k bike isn't anything like a 17k bike.

<!-- / message --><!-- controls --> Buy a slightly used R6, CBR, 636, GSXR, Daytona (if you want a sports bike).

Good idea if you can stand buying a used bike. You don't have to wear as much depreciation, and you get a heck of a bike for the same price you were going to pay for a lesser beast. Your call at the end of the day.

[Madness]

I think motorcycles are like sex. I have never ridden a bike & gotten off thinking "Ï wish I never rode that bike"......

I have ridden a few bikes that I wouldn't ever want to ride again though... Once is enough sometimes.

[Edbear]

Yep,it would be a boring old world if we all liked the same thing.i think the best way to look at bikes would be the same way i look at beer,there,s no such thing as a bad beer,it,s just some are better than others.



Bling for that!:yes:

[Edbear]

In some peoples minds, reliable means "I can fix it on the roadside".




Not referring to old English bikes by any chance...?

[Quasievil]

Sorry for late reply, yes ridden all of them, theyre shite, and Lou a kawasaki 636 has held master bike of the year award for a fair while now so it aint shite dude, its the best, I ride the best, thanks over and out:nya:

[vs04]

Sorry for late reply, yes ridden all of them, theyre shite, and Lou a kawasaki 636 has held master bike of the year award for a fair while now so it aint shite dude, its the best, I ride the best, thanks over and out:nya:
Can you give me your reasons why you think these bikes are shit particuarly the boulevard.Not trying to create an argument here but i hear comments like this a lot but dont really get a reason why.What model boulevard you rode would be an advantage also.Cheers.

[Lou Girardin]

What about some people who don't care about speed limits, speed cameras, fuel prices and that? That makes a lot of crap bikes out there. But I bet the people riding most of those crap bikes reckon they're wonderful, and can't understand how people like me don't have rooted wrists and knees, and still have licenses, from riding our sportsbikes.

There's no wonder about it, we're just waiting for age, or the law of averages, to catch up.

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry for late reply, yes ridden all of them, theyre shite, and Lou a kawasaki 636 has held master bike of the year award for a fair while now so it aint shite dude, its the best, I ride the best, thanks over and out:nya:

Masterbike? That sounds far too much like masterbate.
Do you really care what journalists think about your bike?
Would you sell it if they decided it was shite?
Are you a fashion victim?

[madboy]

If you're referring to maturity Lou, it's gotta happen one day. Or so I keep telling my family. If you're referring to wear and tear with age, that's happening already. Both knees and wrists aren't too hot when I get off the bike each morning.

The law of averages? Oh yeah, and karma too... I'm sure them and their kinky friend Darwin are chugging down cold ones at the local trying to come up with a gameplan ;)

[Lou Girardin]

If you're referring to maturity Lou, it's gotta happen one day. Or so I keep telling my family. If you're referring to wear and tear with age, that's happening already. Both knees and wrists aren't too hot when I get off the bike each morning.


Maturity eh. Not really familiar with that concept. But the aches sure moved me to a nekkid bike.
Still, if Quacka bring out a Z1400, then all the others will do the same.
Sprotbike grunt in a chiro friendly style.

[Mr. Peanut]

Read next post. Woops =D

[Mr. Peanut]

suzuki sj125, pathetic build quality, shite exhaust! :

Ill second that,

I could push mine with the back brake on, tried to do a stoppie and the front brake was never the same, buzzy plastics, a crappy light switch which turned my headlights off at random, oh and a loose wire cost me $400!!! Top speed dropped about 10km/h after 2000k, Centre stand pin bent, making it scrape the road almost sending me off, Changed the oil and found little bits of metal, at that point I decided to move on...

Fuel economy sucked for this kind of bike.

Also Suzuki NZ seems to have removed info about the SJ125 off their site.

I also found that chinese manufacturers had managed to copy the exact same model. Wonder how they got the tooling so easily?


My bet is on the fact tht the SJ125 is in fact a chinese made scooter, with a Suzuki badge on it.

[gunnyrob]

It's a heck of a lot different from the good old 1980's where even some new bikes were sometimes unreliable (ducati Paso anyone?) One bike I had was the dear old GSX400X Impulse (Repulse) which was a hoot, but gave me monstrous leg cramps after only 116 km's. It's certainly a good time to be in the market, given so much choice.

[WINJA]

anything with hyosung on the tank is crap

[Bonez]

They are super reliable, comfortable and easy to ride for days on end. Test road a R100RS when contemplating getting rid of Gerty. Fucking horrible. Harsh seat/suspension setup, common fix-fit Konis. Poor handling at slow speed and........................

Had an R65, the earlier smaller framed model, for three years and was glad to get rid of it. The CX500 I've just purchased is a far better bike IMHO.

[froggyfrenchman]

Test road a R100RS when contemplating getting rid of Gerty. Fucking horrible. Harsh seat/suspension setup, common fix-fit Konis. Poor handling at slow speed and........................

Had an R65, the earlier smaller framed model, for three years and was glad to get rid of it. The CX500 I've just purchased is a far better bike IMHO.

What you must remember about the r100rs, is they are well over 20 years old.
My step father has one stashed away in the back of the shed. Yes they handle like crap compared to modern bikes. Name a bike made in the '70s that doesnt. Like I said, test ride a boxer cup or a r1100s or r1100rs, a whole nuther ball game...

In saying that, he has had the old r100rs for a good 15 years now, done billions of miles, including a tour of europe on it, and never even had the head off. As i said.... reliable as hell and easy to ride all day

[Bonez]

What you must remember about the r100rs, is they are well over 20 years old.I was comparing 20 plus bikes ;).

The old man's happy with his 89 R80 as well. Which is all that really matters in the end. It's just that air heads didn't float my boat. Tried a Cagiva and Moto Guzzi around the same period too.

Out of curiosity what shocks has your old mans RS got?

[froggyfrenchman]

I was comparing 20 plus bikes ;).

The old man's happy with his 89 R80 as well. Which is all that really matters in the end. It's just that air heads didn't float my boat. Tried a Cagiva and Moto Guzzi around the same period too.

Out of curiosity what shocks has your old mans RS got?

It runs stock bmw shocks. The bike rides real well on them, the only thing with the rs is you need to use real good front tires, otherwise you get hell tankslap under 40mph, also you need to run bmw brake pads... all the aftermarket pads make the brakes feel like they are rimu!

[GSX-RJIM]

Only crap bike I know of is a cop bike, especaily when the cop hands you a $1200 flappin ticket!!

[carver]

Ill second that,
suzuki made in china=shit
the sj story
I could push mine with the back brake on, tried to do a stoppie and the front brake was never the same, buzzy plastics, a crappy light switch which turned my headlights off at random, oh and a loose wire cost me $400!!! Top speed dropped about 10km/h after 2000k, Centre stand pin bent, making it scrape the road almost sending me off, Changed the oil and found little bits of metal, at that point I decided to move on...

Fuel economy sucked for this kind of bike.

Also Suzuki NZ seems to have removed info about the SJ125 off their site.

I also found that chinese manufacturers had managed to copy the exact same model. Wonder how they got the tooling so easily?

My bet is on the fact tht the SJ125 is in fact a chinese made scooter, with a Suzuki badge on it.


suzuki made in china=shit
the sj story
my earth wire broke on mine, shite copper, the exhaust cracked, got it welded up-cracked in a different place, eventually it snapped right after the header! on a straight smooth bit of road! that was the last straw.
mine did 100kmh, shite rear brake, suzuki fucked the shoes instalation and the wheel finish too, so the shoes sat 10mm too far in the wheel, and consequently wore a grove 2mm wide in em due to the rough cast alloy wheel.
the airbox brackets broke in half, then the air box would come off the carb when hitting manholes, and the engine would die....just like the new GN another example of suzuki quality.
another baddy was a Er500 kwaka i rode, notchy box, heavy, terrible handling.i was glad to get off it!:puke:

[twinkle]

A guy who grew up in the town where the new gn is built told me that suzuki makes the engines in japan, then ships them complete to china where the rest of the bike is built and assembled.
I don't know if its true or not but it seems to be about consistant with my new gn. The engine seems fine, nice finish no apparent problems after 7500km in four months.
The rest of the bike however is pretty awful. The chrome is rusting in spots, the back of the muffler fell out, nuts and washers odd sizes and types, the mirrors fell apart, so far no evidence of any grease on anything i've taken off, even the chain plates are pressed crooked.
But for $3500 i'm just welding the bits that fall off back on and to hell with it, as long as the engine keeps going I don't care :done: Damn good fun to ride down gravel roads too :blah:

[Edbear]

Only crap bike I know of is a cop bike, especaily when the cop hands you a $1200 flappin ticket!!





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