View Full Version : Poor old Telecom
They said that the unbundling didn't bother them much and said "it's not just about money, you've got to do what's best for the public" Yeah right. Well their shareholders don't think so. Over 10% of their value has been wiped off. This represents $1.1 billion and that's just today.
Maybe we'll start seeing better products at more competitive prices and start getting some service.
About time.
Meanwhile, the lefties are pissed that it leaked. They wanted to release this during their budget to catch more votes. Ha, ha!
We will fight them on the beaches....etc
Hang on a minute. As an unrepentant right wing capitalist, how come you aren't defending the rights of the telecom shareholders? And the right of the corporation to do as it sees fit with its own property, so as to maximise efficiency and wealth creation?
inlinefour
4th May 2006, 12:52
Telescum are the biggest theiving w........s in this country. As soon as there is an alternative, I'm gone!:yes:
Telescum are the biggest theiving w........s in this country. As soon as there is an alternative, I'm gone!:yes:
There isnt one and there never will be, we have you now and forever. You might as well bow to our mighty awe inspring power
inlinefour
4th May 2006, 13:00
There isnt one and there never will be, we have you now and forever. You might as well bow to our mighty awe inspring power
PT or no PT, I'm tempted to red ya. Mark my words, teleupthebum days are numbered.:bye:
This represents $1.1 billion and that's just today.
YEEEEE HAAAA! Now they know what it's like to have 'money' disappear!
As soon as there is an alternative, I'm gone!
And I'll be right behind ya!
(but not in a "dodgy" way)
PT or no PT, I'm tempted to red ya. Mark my words, teleupthebum days are numbered.:bye:
wow another person who gives out red rep, your cool
madboy
4th May 2006, 13:20
Oh come on, stop bitching about the corporate entity, start thinking about the people affected by this. The human side of this. Just think what Teresa's bonus is now looking like for the 2007 financial year.
enigma51
4th May 2006, 13:21
Hang on a minute. As an unrepentant right wing capitalist, how come you aren't defending the rights of the telecom shareholders? And the right of the corporation to do as it sees fit with its own property, so as to maximise efficiency and wealth creation?
Hang on are you saying that because he gets fucked off with the fact that the goverment feels its better to invest money on a bunch of worthless oxigen thiefs he's a right wing capitalist and that he should back a company that basically ass fuck all of us rich and poor?
Not backing the company has nothing to do with right wing
No , his previous posts established him as a right wing capitalist. So I'm just surprised to see him supporting a (admittedly very timid) form of nationalisation and state control. I guess you could say it shows how bad Telecom must be when even the right wing capitalists hate it.
enigma51
4th May 2006, 13:27
No , his previous posts established him as a right wing capitalist. So I'm just surprised to see him supporting a (admittedly very timid) form of nationalisation and state control. I guess you could say it shows how bad Telecom must be when even the right wing capitalists hate it.
Yeah im sure most people did not read the fine print that states labour will be controling the ass fucking know so in that context im with you finn is a left wingie! :nya:
telescum can go jump!
nice avatar....maybe you should take a photo of your own bike next time
SpeedyGirl
4th May 2006, 13:29
Oh come on, stop bitching about the corporate entity, start thinking about the people affected by this. The human side of this. Just think what Teresa's bonus is now looking like for the 2007 financial year.
Never mind that, what about MY bonus!!!!! :angry: Staff are already talking about how this will affect their jobs........
nice avatar....maybe you should take a photo of your own bike next time
i like your one much better tho :)
Hang on a minute. As an unrepentant right wing capitalist, how come you aren't defending the rights of the telecom shareholders? And the right of the corporation to do as it sees fit with its own property, so as to maximise efficiency and wealth creation?
Not so fast Mr Marxist. I would typically apply the principles you so kindly noted, however Telecom does not fall into this category. Telecom has (had) a controlled monopoly and as such fits more into the communist camp where the results are always inefficiency leading to poor service and products which pretty much sums up Telecom.
We never had a "real" choice and soon we will. A free market economy will decide how well Telecom performs.
madboy
4th May 2006, 13:44
Never mind that, what about MY bonus!!!!! :angry: Staff are already talking about how this will affect their jobs........Depends, are you as rich as Teresa? Cos good looks can only take you so far, I'm afraid.
Lou Girardin
4th May 2006, 13:45
No , his previous posts established him as a right wing capitalist. So I'm just surprised to see him supporting a (admittedly very timid) form of nationalisation and state control. I guess you could say it shows how bad Telecom must be when even the right wing capitalists hate it.
Roger Kerr thinks it's a bad thing.
But then he would, wouldn't he?
oldrider
4th May 2006, 14:08
Not so fast Mr Marxist. I would typically apply the principles you so kindly noted, however Telecom does not fall into this category. Telecom has (had) a controlled monopoly and as such fits more into the communist camp where the results are always inefficiency leading to poor service and products which pretty much sums up Telecom.
We never had a "real" choice and soon we will. A free market economy will decide how well Telecom performs.
I agree with you about Telecoms service and charges but have to agree with Ixion's sentiments and consistency on your comment.
I thought the same thing when I read your post and had a wee laugh to myself about that but I do agree that the playing field was never made level and has always been tipped in Telecoms monopolistic favour.
The deal was crap from the start and needed correction!
Has the government acted out of commercial wisdom or just out of the need for political expediency. (vote grazing)
Government should keep their nose the hell out of private sector commercial enterprise.
Government are the reason for cock up in the first place!:nono: We need less government, not more.:yes:
I agree with you about Telecoms service and charges but have to agree with Ixion's sentiments and consistency on your comment.
Most capitalists are actually very nice people. However, I can't see how I'm being inconsistant by saying I'm happy NZ got what it deserved - that is an open telecommunications market with no monopoly. That's what capitalism is all about. Choice. I am pro choice - let the people decide.
I'm also pro abortion. Helen Clark is a great example although in her case I think the fetus crawled away and lived.
Mental Trousers
4th May 2006, 14:37
Share price has dropped from approx $5.54 to around $5.00 flat in less than 24 hours
enigma51
4th May 2006, 14:37
I'm also pro abortion. Helen Clark is a great example although in her case I think the fetus crawled away and lived.
:rofl: :rofl:
Paul in NZ
4th May 2006, 14:42
Hmmm....
Sorry, don't agree.
Most capitalists are fine with cheap phone and fast internet until they move out to their country house and get whacked a billion bucks for a connection in the boonies.
I'm sorry, but it costs fecking shit loads to build big networks.
Please don't give me shit about voip and wifi and all the rest, they are great spot applications for small to medium size deployments but don't quite cut it with the volumes that telecom shift.
I'm a Telstra Clear customer on their own copper network on the Kapiti coast. Their service is utterly appalling... Fine if everything works but if you have to report a fault, want to query an account or make a change, good luck! If they went back and started to fix all the things wrong with the network they built I reckon a good professional estimate would be 3 years!
It's not just Telecom! The whole industry has been waiting for answers to exactly the same issues they have. Everyone wants fast and cheap and wants it everywhere but sorry, you can't have all 3...
The most efficient way to get good planned and steady growth in the business is for the govt to run it and plan it properly. The bollocks about how cheap it is to make toll calls now as opposed to when the NZPO ran it is an accident of technology and good timing!
This is just gonna cause .. the biggest bloody work load for me ... I HATE it when CR*P like this comes up...theres enough congestion since pumping everything upto 3.5mb ... yay .. now everyone gets 7mb ... real cool + half of the idiots don't understand about distance from the exchange which makes things worse.
I'd prefer it if everyone just went to dial-up and stayed on dial-up and left broadband for buisness' only.
Colapop
4th May 2006, 14:48
Listen to you lot. I bet you'll be complaining til your balls are blue when Telecom do die and the market becomes truly unregulated like the oil industry - those prices are real good right now!!
bobsmith
4th May 2006, 14:49
Not so fast Mr Marxist. I would typically apply the principles you so kindly noted, however Telecom does not fall into this category. Telecom has (had) a controlled monopoly and as such fits more into the communist camp where the results are always inefficiency leading to poor service and products which pretty much sums up Telecom.
I agree with Finn... I hate fucking commies and socialist bastards (which by the way runs the country), and the biggest threat to well working capitalistic country is monopoly.... With monopoly capitalism just cannot work, besides telecom should never have "owned" the lines anyway... bad things happen when a company that provides end services ownes the median for service and the source (ie monopoly) which telecom has... Which is why the national power lines are regulated so that anyone who provides the power cannot own the actual power lines.. (if they did, it would lead to monopoly and you would be paying a lot more for power)
enigma51
4th May 2006, 14:59
Hmmm....
Sorry, don't agree.
Most capitalists are fine with cheap phone and fast internet until they move out to their country house and get whacked a billion bucks for a connection in the boonies.
I'm sorry, but it costs fecking shit loads to build big networks.
Please don't give me shit about voip and wifi and all the rest, they are great spot applications for small to medium size deployments but don't quite cut it with the volumes that telecom shift.
I'm a Telstra Clear customer on their own copper network on the Kapiti coast. Their service is utterly appalling... Fine if everything works but if you have to report a fault, want to query an account or make a change, good luck! If they went back and started to fix all the things wrong with the network they built I reckon a good professional estimate would be 3 years!
It's not just Telecom! The whole industry has been waiting for answers to exactly the same issues they have. Everyone wants fast and cheap and wants it everywhere but sorry, you can't have all 3...
The most efficient way to get good planned and steady growth in the business is for the govt to run it and plan it properly. The bollocks about how cheap it is to make toll calls now as opposed to when the NZPO ran it is an accident of technology and good timing!
Totally agree with you unbundeling is not going to change the attitude of company's like telstra whos customer service is the worst!
Hmmm....
Sorry, don't agree.
I'm a Telstra Clear customer on their own copper network on the Kapiti coast. Their service is utterly appalling... Fine if everything works but if you have to report a fault.
Copper is technology that was used int he 70's + your ont he Kapiti coast ... which means your not in "New Zealand" aka Auckland where we have alternate connections other than just crappy copper lines.
Totally agree with you unbundeling is not going to change the attitude of company's like telstra whos customer service is the worst!
Then Shift to Maxnet where the prices are more expensive but the Customer Service is the best, always has been, always will be.
Paul in NZ
4th May 2006, 16:04
Copper is technology that was used int he 70's + your ont he Kapiti coast ... which means your not in "New Zealand" aka Auckland where we have alternate connections other than just crappy copper lines.
Exactly my point.
No one is going to run fibre through Gore are they?
Exactly my point.
No one is going to run fibre through Gore are they?
Gore???????
Lou Girardin
4th May 2006, 16:08
The Gummint screwed the pooch when they privatised Telescam, this lot are just fixing National's stuff up 16 years later.
Besides, if most other OECD countries can have cheaper, faster internet, why can't we?
The_Dover
4th May 2006, 16:20
The rural thing is a cop out.
My old man lives in the Shetland Islands for fucks sake and he still has a 2Mbit DSL connection, uncapped, for a reasonable price.
Gore???????
You mean gorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
Isn't that part of stewart island?
Share price has dropped from approx $5.54 to around $5.00 flat in less than 24 hours
What a shame........:wait:
Lou Girardin
4th May 2006, 17:07
What a shame........:wait:
It would be if one had shares in it.
Then again, if you didn't see this particular writing on the wall 4 months ago, you deserve a hit.
Scouse
4th May 2006, 17:15
Roger Kerr thinks it's a bad thing.
But then he would, wouldn't he?Thats because he has a large shareholding in Telecom not cause he's worried about whats best for the country
Mental Trousers
4th May 2006, 17:36
Anyone got shares in Telstra Clear?? I've would've bought some if I had any money ........ but if I had that much money I'd buy another bike ........ so meh
Paul in NZ
4th May 2006, 17:37
The rural thing is a cop out.
My old man lives in the Shetland Islands for fucks sake and he still has a 2Mbit DSL connection, uncapped, for a reasonable price.
No it's not because you have not said how that was paid for and who built it and why. There are 22,000 people on the island which is a lot bigger than a lot of our rural areas. Add in that they are close to the UK and BT can order billions of dollars woth of equipment and get good prices.
I've built systems into a lot of these places and it's a freaking nightmare. You can do anything but the costs are very high. One of the biggest problem in NZ is the distance most rural people live from the exchange. DSLAMs have a certain range and most of them live a long way past whatever that is. So we build little roadside cabinets and drop fibre into the ground for maybe 10 customers?
Oh I dunno... Lets wait and see, I'm just a dumb cunt that spent too many years sitting on top of mountains in the rain relaying emergency calls or sitting in damp ditches at 3am while plonkers told me how soft I had it and how i was ripping them off.
Scouse
4th May 2006, 17:40
but if I had that much money I'd buy another bike ........ so mehIn your case that would be an investment but then again maybe you should hold on to the YZF cos it must be classed as a antique by now
Mental Trousers
4th May 2006, 17:45
In your case that would be an investment but then again maybe you should hold on to the YZF cos it must be classed as a antique by now
She'll still go right around the outside of you Nana Steve :nya:
Scouse
4th May 2006, 17:47
She'll still go right around the outside of you Nana Steve :nya:yeh right whatever Shane tell me when was the last time that happened
Exactly my point.
No one is going to run fibre through Gore are they?
Easy tiger - I think you'll find that the net wealth of people living in and around the Gore district with level of dairying at present will see a fibre optic cable there before you find one in any other rural area. My folks already have satellite broadband with a computerised shed run from my dad's palm pilot. They're not hicks anymore!! Although it is definatley fulla bogans:nya:
You mean gorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
Isn't that part of stewart island?
i thought it was some sort of bladder
Paul in NZ
4th May 2006, 18:03
Easy tiger - I think you'll find that the net wealth of people living in and around the Gore district with level of dairying at present will see a fibre optic cable there before you find one in any other rural area. My folks already have satellite broadband with a computerised shed run from my dad's palm pilot. They're not hicks anymore!! Although it is definatley fulla bogans:nya:
Sorry - I should have picked a better example. Gore would be OK, it's all the outlying districts. If the ground is easy going and a mole plough can make good progress it is pretty easy. It's when you hit more difficult terrain it starts to bite.
Difference is and always will be, if there is a genuine need for it, AND people are prepared to pay for it. It will happen.
In your case that would be an investment but then again maybe you should hold on to the YZF cos it must be classed as a antique by now
Bugger - knew I shouldnt have let the old girl go.......
Scouse
4th May 2006, 19:15
It would be if one had shares in it.
Then again, if you didn't see this particular writing on the wall 4 months ago, you deserve a hit.I wonder how many people like Roger Kerr got the nod from Telecom before they told the behive about the leak and offloaded their shares before the market price droped
You will find that New Zealand is around 10-12months behind Australia when it comes to broadband. No its not that cheap over there, No its not that fast over there either. They may have 24mb, but iinet (A MAJOR ISP in AUS) only started installing ADSL2 ports around 10months ago.
The way unbundling will work, if you have a large amount of user's in one area, we can now say "to hell with renting telecom hardware, we'll install our own", We'll only do it if there are alot of people in one area (where they can all get broadband) + the ISP can make a profit. If we're not gonna make a profit from giving you broadband why bother. For example; if its gonna cost $5,000 just to install an A~Slam for farmer Joe and his closest neighbour who lives 5 km down the road, why bother? We'd have to charge insane prices (+20 profit a month) and it would take ages before we could start seeing any gain from it.
Please remember if you live more than 5km from an exchange DONT BOTHER GETTING BROADBAND, if by some fluke they set you up with ADSL, DONT COMPLAIN WHEN IT STARTS STUFFING UP.
For the rest of us in Auckland, dont' complain when the lines get so congested that your 7.6mb connection only runs at 800kbs!!
digsaw
4th May 2006, 19:49
So will it get better,my 1.5mbps adsl mostly runs at 13kbps which is far worse than the 36kbps that i got on dialup.
The service i pay for i sure dont get even tho i am onl 2k from telephone exchange,if this was the way i treated my customers i amsure that my bizz would fold super fast.:angry:
paturoa
4th May 2006, 19:54
Telescum are the biggest theiving w........s in this country. As soon as there is an alternative, I'm gone!:yes:
ahemm - prize for biggest theiving ..... would actually be Dr M Cullen.
At least with tcom, petrol companies, power companies etc you get something and sometimes even a choice.
So tell me again wot I get for 12.5% on top of 39%?
Fatjim
4th May 2006, 19:55
Exactly my point.
No one is going to run fibre through Gore are they?
Well yes they are, actually.
So will it get better,my 1.5mbps adsl mostly runs at 13kbps which is far worse than the 36kbps that i got on dialup.
The service i pay for i sure dont get even tho i am onl 2k from telephone exchange,if this was the way i treated my customers I am sure that my bizz would fold super fast.:angry:
No1 offers 1.5mb connections on ADSL. If your on 1mbps you should sync with the D~Slam at 1280 as roughly 25% of the connection is used by the exchange. If you are only gettin 13kbps that means it would take you around 3 hours to load this page. I'm not sure who told you, that you were 2km from the exchange?
Well yes they are, actually.
Carbon Fibre Muffler on a bike, flying down the highway doesn't count.
paturoa
4th May 2006, 20:08
So will it get better,my 1.5mbps adsl mostly runs at 13kbps which is far worse than the 36kbps that i got on dialup.
The service i pay for i sure dont get even tho i am onl 2k from telephone exchange,if this was the way i treated my customers i amsure that my bizz would fold super fast.:angry:
Priestly and co are the biggest cons around... (behind pollies - though to be fair they are theiving bstards too)
Adding more and faster DSL to the current cables will slow everyone down. Don't for a second thing that unbundling will get u better speed.
U guys need to check your BIG Bs and little bs, Bytes = 8 bits.
So if speed is your bitch then it will be getting worse !
digsaw
4th May 2006, 20:18
With telecums Xtra Broadband
EXPLORER the top speed ever seen on my speed test is 1.5 MBPS,and yes i can see the exchange from my house.:zzzz: :angry:
digsaw
4th May 2006, 20:24
Right now the speed is 186kbps which better than most times. :yawn:
paturoa
4th May 2006, 20:26
With telecums Xtra Broadband
EXPLORER the top speed ever seen on my speed test is 1.5 MBPS,and yes i can see the exchange from my house.:zzzz: :angry:
The rate u buy is max line / electrical rate you get between your modem and the other end of the tcom network. Read the manual for your modem it will tell u how to check the line rate that your modem "tunes" to when its going.
Not sure where u get your speed test from.
If u have the Adventure (3.5 M ?) then the line rate should be at least that.
If u can see the exchange and your line rate is still low then it is more than likely your house wiring that is the problem.
Telecoms network at this current time despite what people think is more that capable of having everyone on ADSL running at 3.5mb and faster – Telecoms core routers (Juniper) are laughing at the traffic that is flowing through them and they are only being used 20 – 30% of the possible traffic they can route. The fibre running to “most” of the exchanges is running over + 2Gb/s. All I can see out of this is that Telecom is just a bunch of thieving brasteds as far as what they are charging the ISP for data therefore forwarded onto the customer. The other problem is that the ISP’s are throttling there customers something chronic, especially on P2P applications. I know for a fact the majority of the webpage’s etc I visit 80% of it is cached in there transparent proxy’s. I still think the ISP’s can do a little better and as for throttling, it should be banned.
Whenever choosing an ISP you need to find out what infrastructure they have, If they have a slow Internet connection to the outside world (Sothern Cross Cable) and there routers overloaded, It is once again the ISP that is the bottleneck.
I pissed of with the Xtra add on TV at the moment – to me its deceiving - how the hell can anyone only use 200mb in one month. I use that in 1 day and that’s only browsing website – not P2P stuff. Besides $29.95 or whatever the price is ridicules for only 200mb – dial up is way better for that in comparison for that amount of data. Xtra is the last ISP I would recommend to anyone.
I do think telecom deserved what they got :yes: but I do feel sorry for the shareholders however.
paturoa
4th May 2006, 21:19
Telecoms network at this current time despite what people think is more that capable of having everyone on ADSL running at 3.5mb and faster – Telecoms core routers ....
Unbundling is about the copper access stuff not the "core".
The rate u buy is max line / electrical rate you get between your modem and the other end of the tcom network. Read the manual for your modem it will tell u how to check the line rate that your modem "tunes" to when its going.
Not sure where u get your speed test from.
If u have the Adventure (3.5 M ?) then the line rate should be at least that.
If u can see the exchange and your line rate is still low then it is more than likely your house wiring that is the problem.
House hold wiring has allot to do with the capable speed of your Internet connection - I have proved it myself - I could not get over 1.5mbs "line" speed where I used to have the router in my house, now that I moved the router to the entry point where the telephone line comes into the house I get around 3mbs line speed the last time I checked - with bit stream with some modems/routers you cannot find out your true line speed anymore as they are using line speed as the Internet speed limit from what I gather.
Unbundling is about the copper access stuff not the "core".
The point I was trying to make is that telecom could provide allot better service them selves instead of strangling everyone with there current prices. Also people are thinking that telecom is / will get overwhelmed if heaps of people go onto the 3.5Mbs connections where its actually the ISP that is the problem.
Ghost Lemur
4th May 2006, 21:34
Never mind that, what about MY bonus!!!!! :angry: Staff are already talking about how this will affect their jobs........
Couldn't agree more, Teresa is still going to . It wont affect jobs, but it almost certainly WILL affect OUR bonus.
BTW which floor/building are you? I'm 7th floor, Corportate.
Share price has dropped from approx $5.54 to around $5.00 flat in less than 24 hours
Actually it dropped there in about and hour, and tappered off. Has been stable around the $5.00 mark ever since. Personally I was hoping for it to drop a little lower as I was/am planning to make a lump sum purchase along with my usual Employee share purchase this month.
I wonder how many people like Roger Kerr got the nod from Telecom before they told the behive about the leak and offloaded their shares before the market price droped
Highly unlikely. You can be highly sure the Securities Commision will be looking very closely over any recent Telecom trades.
Personally (as an investor, Telecom employee, and as a consumer - not of Telecom broadband ) I'm happy. I look forward to the day when Telecom has Operational Seperation. You only need to look at BT to see what a positive effect it can have on both the incumbent, competitors and consumers.
As for the same old same old bollocks about the sparceness of this country being to blame, I don't see Sweeden or Finland making those same excuses. Nor has LLU, price regulations, government involvement, operational seperation, etc. stopped ALL players from investing, if anything it's forced players to invest more to keep up with their competition.
Certainly is a fun time to be in the game.
[QUOTE=danb]House hold wiring has allot to do with the capable speed of your Internet connection - I have proved it myself -...QUOTE]
yes your home's cabling can cause problems. But that is your problem. But anyone who needs a 3.5Mbps or 7Mbps of constant bandwidth is too greedy.
The way that DSL speed is capped is at the exchange. hence your DSL modem only sees say 1024kbps if you are on a 1Mbps plan.
The point I was trying to make is that telecom could provide allot better service them selves instead of strangling everyone with there current prices. Also people are thinking that telecom is / will get overwhelmed if heaps of people go onto the 3.5Mbs connections where its actually the ISP that is the problem.
3.5Mbps connection is to the exchange anyway... who said you'll have 3.5Mbps to where ever you are connecting to?
ISP's pay thru the NOSE for the international bandwidth... it is people who share music / movies / software using P2P applications that is using shit loads of it and maxing out their 3.5Mbps data rate constantly. Everyone gets a better deal if P2P traffic is reduced. And not like people will really suffer without the latest music or movie...
Now the bad part of unbundling would be where does your internet money go... to a NZ company... (is there anyone other than Telecom)? or an Aussy company and then the profit being shipped across Tasman.
And which other NZ company other than Telecom who has the $$$$$$ to invest in improving the network.
Ever thought if a big Aussy company got confortable with the network and operation in NZ what is to stop them moving most of it to Aussy? Good luck to anyone in NZ who wants to get a high level ISP techie job in NZ.....
The Gummint screwed the pooch when they privatised Telescam, this lot are just fixing National's stuff up 16 years later.
Besides, if most other OECD countries can have cheaper, faster internet, why can't we?
Simple, Because this Labour Government has so many benefits in place now and so many resident beneficiaries and immigrating refugees pooring into this country that they no longer have a wealth of money for injecting into public services or privatised services via government subsidisation.
You say National stuffed up Telecom.
I say Labour has stuffed up New Zealand.
Anyone got shares in Telstra Clear?? I've would've bought some if I had any money ........ but if I had that much money I'd buy another bike ........ so meh
Telstra Clear have already evaluated the possibility of installing a cellphone Network in New Zealand and the corporate backing from Australia wouldn't support it, so Telstra Clear will never be on the same level as Vodafone or Telecom.
yes your home's cabling can cause problems. But that is your problem. But anyone who needs a 3.5Mbps or 7Mbps of constant bandwidth is too greedy.
Im presuming then you are still on Dialup if you are going to say that. 2Mb has only just got good enough to stream video on. Why put up with slow downloads when you don’t have to in this day and age. Faster the better!
3.5Mbps connection is to the exchange anyway... who said you'll have 3.5Mbps to where ever you are connecting to?
That’s why I said the ISP have allot to do with it and they need to sort there networks out as well.
ISP's pay thru the NOSE for the international bandwidth... it is people who share music / movies / software using P2P applications that is using shit loads of it and maxing out their 3.5Mbps data rate constantly. Everyone gets a better deal if P2P traffic is reduced. And not like people will really suffer without the latest music or movie...
Has anyone really known to max out there 2 or 3.5mb connections on P2P applications for a long duration of time?
Now the bad part of unbundling would be where does your internet money go... to a NZ company... (is there anyone other than Telecom)? or an Aussy company and then the profit being shipped across Tasman.
Telecom has a 51% share in the Southern Cross Cable - As for now they should / could provide cheaper International Traffic to the ISP’s.
And which other NZ company other than Telecom who has the $$$$$$ to invest in improving the network.
Ever thought if a big Aussy company got confortable with the network and operation in NZ what is to stop them moving most of it to Aussy? Good luck to anyone in NZ who wants to get a high level ISP techie job in NZ.....
Very true about the cost of building a decent infrastructure - Telecom now has it so I don’t know why they are not using it and keeping there customers comfy. I call it shitting in there own nest lol
Telstra Clear have already evaluated the possibility of installing a cellphone Network in New Zealand and the corporate backing from Australia wouldn't support it, so Telstra Clear will never be on the same level as Vodafone or Telecom.
We don’t need another cell phone network - 2 is enough for a country of this size - Vodafone does a pretty good job - If Telstra did there own I cant see how they also could keep the costs down especially on the initial setup costs to do it. Internet is the biggest problem we have at the moment.
Mental Trousers
5th May 2006, 14:20
We don’t need another cell phone network - 2 is enough for a country of this size - Vodafone does a pretty good job - If Telstra did there own I cant see how they also could keep the costs down especially on the initial setup costs to do it. Internet is the biggest problem we have at the moment.
Yup. And crap like data caps, poor upload speeds and coverage are the very things that drove this decision.
Oh, and here goes any work I wanted done on my bike .....
The_Dover
5th May 2006, 14:33
No it's not because you have not said how that was paid for and who built it and why. There are 22,000 people on the island which is a lot bigger than a lot of our rural areas. Add in that they are close to the UK and BT can order billions of dollars woth of equipment and get good prices.
I've built systems into a lot of these places and it's a freaking nightmare. You can do anything but the costs are very high. One of the biggest problem in NZ is the distance most rural people live from the exchange. DSLAMs have a certain range and most of them live a long way past whatever that is. So we build little roadside cabinets and drop fibre into the ground for maybe 10 customers?
Oh I dunno... Lets wait and see, I'm just a dumb cunt that spent too many years sitting on top of mountains in the rain relaying emergency calls or sitting in damp ditches at 3am while plonkers told me how soft I had it and how i was ripping them off.
Do you have any idea of the population density and the geographical nature of the islands? It's a sparsely populated, peat bog and rock infested shithole covered in big fuckin hills and sheep. Sound familiar mainlanders? The majority of the 22,000 live in a couple of major centres but the old man is in the sticks.
I do not doubt the scale of the job is greater in NZ but most of the Scottish Highlands also have broadband.
Telecom have been making excuses for far too long, who gives a fuck if it costs them. I'm sure that fat dyke Theresa's christmas bonus would go a long way to facilitating the provision of broadband to a few yokels in the middle of bumfucksville.
I can't believe the bitch even needs a bonus, can't be hard running a monopoly. They sell, we buy. No choice and all.
The argument about rural access doesnt carry any weight with me. People who live in remote areas SHOULD expect to pay much larger amounts of coin to get power / phone / whatever has to be run out to them. They choose to live in the country, they want cheap power and phone they can move to a city. I'd be quite happy if we ditched the kiwishare entirely with regards to non urban areas. You can generally get meat etc alot cheaper in the country than you can in the city, but you dont see city dwellers demand that we all pay the same price for a side of beef do you?
PS: I've spent several years living in the boonies in the assend of nowhere in the rangitikei so I'm not just some townie speaking shit.
As for the proposal, I hope Telecom's share price keeps dropping. I hope it drops so far the company goes under. Then the government can buy them back out, turn it into a non profit organisation dedicated simply to cheap telecoms services for urban NZ'ers, and provide me with uncapped 10gb fiber to my home with no contention and non data cap (hell a bloke can dream cant he?)
Also, Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars. Assuming they could stop vomitting long enough to shag her to death.
Paul in NZ
5th May 2006, 15:49
Do you have any idea of the population density and the geographical nature of the islands? It's a sparsely populated, peat bog and rock infested shithole covered in big fuckin hills and sheep. Sound familiar mainlanders? The majority of the 22,000 live in a couple of major centres but the old man is in the sticks.
I do not doubt the scale of the job is greater in NZ but most of the Scottish Highlands also have broadband.
Telecom have been making excuses for far too long, who gives a fuck if it costs them. I'm sure that fat dyke Theresa's christmas bonus would go a long way to facilitating the provision of broadband to a few yokels in the middle of bumfucksville.
I can't believe the bitch even needs a bonus, can't be hard running a monopoly. They sell, we buy. No choice and all.
Sorry - I really didn't give a very good reply did I?
I guess what I have been trying to say is that I have actually had a good go at solving a lot of the issues you describe through building things, designing things and testing other peoples things.
I tested (or arranged to be tested) everything of any size that gets connected to their network for the last few years and I've seen a LOT of whacky technology thats gunna do this an that.... and still you have trouble!! There is no good business reason to provide these services and they are in the business of providing a profit for their shareholders, not to look after the community, thats what happened when we sold it to them.
Paul in NZ
5th May 2006, 15:53
Also, Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars. Assuming they could stop vomitting long enough to shag her to death.
Well thats just brilliant!
Actually, she is a very clever and capable person that has a HUGE workload. One that would probably kill you in 3 weeks. I'm jealous of her salary too but I don't have the balls to make the sacrifices she has. My hope is you will go back and delete that part of your post...
,, business of providing a profit for their shareholders, not to look after the community, thats what happened when we sold it to them.
Hence the fundamental problem. An essential community service is totally controlled by an organisation that does not, and can not, have community interest as one of its objectives.
Solution: nationalise them . Simple. Sorted.
Gattung was an strategic appointment to appease all the dykes in government. Having met her and being exposed to the changes in Telecom since she became CEO, I can say that she is totally incompetent. She is also a blithering idiot with no presence.
She had to front up today to investors in Sydney. She is in the firing line.
The_Dover
5th May 2006, 16:32
Give her the chair!
Paul in NZ
5th May 2006, 17:06
Gattung was an strategic appointment to appease all the dykes in government. Having met her and being exposed to the changes in Telecom since she became CEO, I can say that she is totally incompetent. She is also a blithering idiot with no presence.
She had to front up today to investors in Sydney. She is in the firing line.
Then I stand by my post. How clever and capable to get yourself into that position? I never said she was any good....
Paul in NZ
5th May 2006, 17:07
Give her the chair!
No, I think Roderick is the Chairman.... oh..... the other chair eh!
Give her the chair!
SHE SHOULD BE FIRED , SHES HAD AGES TO GET TELECOM UP TO SCRATCH TO PREVENT THIS ROLL OUT , THE ROLL OUT MEANS SHE FAILED, THERES GONNA BE SHIT LOADS OF REDUNDANCYS AT TELECOM WHICH IS GREAT CAUSE ITS TOP HEAVY WITH HR TYPE OFFICE STAFF PEOPLE , THE WINNERS WILL BE THE TRADESMEN THAT LOOK AFTER THE NETWORK AND EXCHANGE, I DONT SEE HOW PRICES CAN GET WORSE TELECOM WILL CHARGE ME $500 FOR FIRST TIME CONECTION TO THE NETWORK WHICH RUNS PAST MY GATE
Well thats just brilliant!
Actually, she is a very clever and capable person that has a HUGE workload. One that would probably kill you in 3 weeks. I'm jealous of her salary too but I don't have the balls to make the sacrifices she has. My hope is you will go back and delete that part of your post...
It was a PT mate. I wouldnt seriously wish rape on anyone.. But really would you shag her? I wouldnt :-P
Thou I do think her salary is immoral.. It might be the socialist in me coming out but I really think that people shouldnt be allowed to have such rediculously huge salaries. Make 10x the national average the salary cap or someit :-)
Im presuming then you are still on Dialup if you are going to say that. 2Mb has only just got good enough to stream video on. Why put up with slow downloads when you don’t have to in this day and age. Faster the better!
That’s why I said the ISP have allot to do with it and they need to sort there networks out as well.
Has anyone really known to max out there 2 or 3.5mb connections on P2P applications for a long duration of time?
Telecom has a 51% share in the Southern Cross Cable - As for now they should / could provide cheaper International Traffic to the ISP’s.
Very true about the cost of building a decent infrastructure - Telecom now has it so I don’t know why they are not using it and keeping there customers comfy. I call it shitting in there own nest lol
stream video... so this is not so much about internet... but to replace the TV and broadcasting all together? in that case lets run cable or fiber into every house then.
ISP's can't sort the network out with Telecom controlling most of the major access points for traffic into and out of the country. Higher local NZ speeds won't mean much, as we'll still be running around our little cage in NZ. But we have to realise we are one of the most remote countries in the world.
Yes.. I know ppl who will max out their P2P apps non stop if they have unlimited data allowance.
ISP's havne't been making any $ from selling broadband to the public, where is the dollar going to come from for improving the network?
I think over all what I am trying to say is... increasing competion is good. But it also needs to be controlled to an extend so that the the country overall benfits from it. Not some investors in Aussy.
stream video... so this is not so much about internet... but to replace the TV and broadcasting all together? in that case lets run cable or fiber into every house then.
ISP's can't sort the network out with Telecom controlling most of the major access points for traffic into and out of the country. Higher local NZ speeds won't mean much, as we'll still be running around our little cage in NZ. But we have to realise we are one of the most remote countries in the world.
Yes.. I know ppl who will max out their P2P apps non stop if they have unlimited data allowance.
ISP's havne't been making any $ from selling broadband to the public, where is the dollar going to come from for improving the network?
I think over all what I am trying to say is... increasing competion is good. But it also needs to be controlled to an extend so that the the country overall benfits from it. Not some investors in Aussy.
Speaking of cable TV- who owns the cable TV network in Auckland that got installed about 6 years ago - that is the light green, round boxes every 2 gates in your street. Does this system work and is anyone in kb on it? Can Internet be run over this?
It seems that the majority of Auckland has this installed.
Being a remote county has nothing to go with it and no excuse- We have a very very fast connection to the outside world 2x @ 480Gbs each using the Southern Cross Cable and let alone all the other fibre that is lying around. More info - http://www.southerncrosscables.com/ Telecoms share is 500Gbs aprox to this.
All I hope out of this all is that telecom can lower its prices for competition. If I was going to choose between as ISP that used its own equipment in an exchange and telecoms for the same price, I know who I would stick to and that is telecom. I don’t think any other ISP could match the same support and reliability.
Ghost Lemur
5th May 2006, 22:43
stream video... so this is not so much about internet... but to replace the TV and broadcasting all together? in that case lets run cable or fiber into every house then.
ISP's can't sort the network out with Telecom controlling most of the major access points for traffic into and out of the country. Higher local NZ speeds won't mean much, as we'll still be running around our little cage in NZ. But we have to realise we are one of the most remote countries in the world.
Yes.. I know ppl who will max out their P2P apps non stop if they have unlimited data allowance.
ISP's havne't been making any $ from selling broadband to the public, where is the dollar going to come from for improving the network?
I think over all what I am trying to say is... increasing competion is good. But it also needs to be controlled to an extend so that the the country overall benfits from it. Not some investors in Aussy.
Of course Broadband is for high bandwidth multimedia uses, of which filesharing is just one (although the one you seem to be most obsessed with). If all you do is surf the 'net and send emails you don't need broadband and might as well settle for a 256k connection (no 256k is NOT broadband, irrespective of what Telecom tried to tell you).
Have you even read the cabinet paper? They suggesting doing exactly what you say in your last paragraph you want them to do. Although no mention of foreign ownership. You do realise that Telecom is 75% foreign ownership in total don't you?
Personally I thoughly enjoyed reading the paper in question. It was well thought out, backed by facts, and the final solution is no silver bullet but rather a combination of things of which LLU is just one. Other factors are increased investment by government, regulation, and my personal favourite... Operational Seperation. They do mention accounting seperation and ownership seperation too as possible options. But I don't think accounting seperation goes far enough, and ownership seperation goes too far. Operation Seperation was the sweet spot for BT, and I truely believe it would be for Telecom too. Hell, BT is now MORE profitable than before price regulation, before LLU.
I could rant on this topic all night. Needless to say I put my money where my mouth is and am investing some of my motorcycle savings into Telecom shares when they bottom out. Only investors with short term interests in mind are selling. Oh and silly people who buy because the price is high and "everyone" is buying and sell because "everyone" is selling.
Competition is good for EVERYONE, bring it on.
BTW do you know how much SCC charge per Gig of traffic to NZ? $1, seriously that is the wholesale price. Of course Telecom doesn't mind this as it's taking from one hand to the other. But it's painful for anyone else even thinking of offering reasonable/no cap plans to consumers. Hopefully though Telecoms part in SCC will come under further scrutiny.
Anyway I was pausing this rant...
*takes a deep breath, counts to 10*
Shadows
5th May 2006, 23:33
What cracks me up is now that Gattung woman will have to actually do some work for her squaziillion dollar salary instead of sitting around on her fat arse (which gets fatter and fatter every day, thickening like the plot of a good thriller) laughing at all the suckers who have no choice but to pay whatever they dictate beacuse they otherwise have basically no choice.
Speaking of cable TV- who owns the cable TV network in Auckland that got installed about 6 years ago - that is the light green, round boxes every 2 gates in your street. Does this system work and is anyone in kb on it? Can Internet be run over this?
It seems that the majority of Auckland has this installed.
Being a remote county has nothing to go with it and no excuse- We have a very very fast connection to the outside world 2x @ 480Gbs each using the Southern Cross Cable and let alone all the other fibre that is lying around. More info - http://www.southerncrosscables.com/ Telecoms share is 500Gbs aprox to this.
All I hope out of this all is that telecom can lower its prices for competition. If I was going to choose between as ISP that used its own equipment in an exchange and telecoms for the same price, I know who I would stick to and that is telecom. I don’t think any other ISP could match the same support and reliability.
yea still have that little green box outside our house..
keep in mind that you can't use the whole 480Gbs x 2 for internet thou. there are lot of other things that runs in the background.
maybe its a good time now to get a job at Telecom... all the change aya.!
HAHA SHAME HTOSE FAGGOTS HAD IT COMING I LAUGHED WHEN I SAW THE SHARE PRICE PLUMMETING THOSE CUNTS HAD IT COMING FUCK THEM FUCK THE INTERNETS AND FUCK OFF THEIR COMPUTERS. STUPID RIPOFF SHIT WHAT TEH FUCK DO YOU CALL 128K UPLOAD? NOTHING, FUCK THEM.
I HOPE GATTUNG LOOSES HER 700K PAY CHECK AND GOES TOW ORK ON KRD. AND WEASEL SHOULD BE SHOT FOR WORKING FOR HTE SPAWN OF SATAN.
FUCK TELECOM, THANKs FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THOUGH, BITCHES.
Shadows
6th May 2006, 01:13
Also, Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars. Assuming they could stop vomitting long enough to shag her to death.
Bwahahahahahaahaah
WEASEL SHOULD BE SHOT FOR WORKING FOR HTE SPAWN OF SATAN.
:shutup: :motu:
Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars.
But I don't think my little internet connection can handle the streaming video of that... :zzzz:
But I don't think my little internet connection can handle the streaming video of that... :zzzz:
Anything slower than 2Mb - things start to get broken with frustration. :killingme
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.