Do Police Post Tickets? (much?)

[Kwaka-Kid]

ive heard they can do it. Buthave any of you ever received on inthe mail? not from a camera?

The other night my friend was coming home @ about midnight, and decided to start windingup 3rd gear... managed to get around 3x the posted limit, and then slowed down for a corner to around 70-80k and a cop car came around the corner, and it slowed immediatly, but in the short time before going around the corner that he had looking in his rear vision mirror, the cop car slowed *brake lights( but never indicated nor looked exactly like it was going to do a U-Turn.  So as soon as my friend got around the corner he got paranoid and went into ghost mode, and then into Warp Speed.  If the cop was slowing to get a look @ my friends plate, do u think he will post him a ticket? and how fast could he have cought him doing?

I personally dont think the cop saw anything nor even turned around, but the paranoir is still there, for my friend of course.  So have any of you had a ticket posted out?

[MikeL]

No, and I refuse to start worrying about it. I think "your friend" is too paranoid.

[bluninja]

Hey KK, did you know that digitial mobile technology is so advanced now they can track your speed and location between 2 cells? They've used historical records already in murder trials to prove where somebody was and how long it took to get to the next place; but now they are in a position to do it live in real time. So make sure your mobile is switched off when you ride:eek:

With all the gorvernemnt database convergence happening, they already have the means to link your mobile number to your address to the vehicles you own, and bam! big brother has you:argh: I guess soon they will not bother sending tickets, they will just deduct the fine from your account direct.

Worried? Scared? Gullible? roflmaopmp

 :D:p:D:p

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mena the police aren't out to get you.

TTFN

[What?]

Well put, Bluninja. But Kwaka does have a valid query...

In short, they can and do post tickets, but it tends to be for stuff like running stop signs, when the cop has seen you, got your plate, but is unable to safely follow you (like he's stuck in a traffic jam).

If they wanted to get your mate for doing warp 12 on the Queens highways, but a chase was not an option, IF they got his number then they effectively also got his address, name, age, drivers license details etc etc. The result would have been a cop waiting on his doorstep when he got home (and I know of a number of instances where that has happened).:beer:

Actually, it's Friday...:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

[bluninja]

What? KK already knows someone who had the police knocking on their door after a chase. However the police need to identify the rider....and if you had proof that you couldn't have been the rider, and that others could have had access to your bike and keys then it's hard for them to proceed.

So I suppose a sensible answer is that the police can pursue :cool: a prosecution without chasing you, but the burden is then on the police to prove the bike owner was riding at the time of the incident; which may be difficult after the event.

TTFN

[wkid_one]

A couple of issues for the policeperson - 1: proving you were on the bike, 2: proving the infraction in dispute (if you deny it).

They can however ticket you via post - usually under the hope you will pay and be done with it and not go to court!  How can they prove how fast you were going, you ran a red light etc, without catching you doing it?

In that case, shortly it will be like Minority Report and we will all lose our licenses the minute we buy our bikes for the silly things we are about to do!

I say ' FECK 'M', they have to catch you!!  If you ride with me, you don't know me, as I won't be hanging around

 

[Kwaka-Kid]

okay okay, first things first.. IT WASNT ME!! MY FRIEND REMEMBER MY FRIEND!

damnit, so you guys know mw so well already that you know i cant get friends? :( damn you all! hahaha :)

friend, just remember friend.  Im a good boy :) ive never gone an ounce over the posted speed limit myself in my life!

and yeah fair enuf, ill tell me friend not to worry.

cheers for the info guys, but yeh i know they can post them, just a matter of if u guys had had experience in that dept :)

night all! safe riding.

[Slim]

Originally posted by bluninja
Hey KK, did you know that digitial mobile technology is so advanced now they can track your speed and location between 2 cells? They've used historical records already in murder trials to prove where somebody was and how long it took to get to the next place; but now they are in a position to do it live in real time. So make sure your mobile is switched off when you ride:eek:
Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!! :banana:

We can't do it here, and it'd probably take 20mins to figure out which specialist might be able to do it, then 30mins (or more if it's a weekend evening/night) to actually contact them, then they'd probably have to go into their office, boot their computer up, open the programmes they need ..........

Don't you love Telecom's propensity for contracting out their work to other companies?!?!? :D

[What?]

Originally posted by bluninja
However the police need to identify the rider....

 but the burden is then on the police to prove the bike owner was riding at the time of the incident; which may be difficult after the event. 


They do. I think... They put the onus back on the vehicle owner for camera tickets :mad: but I do not know if that applies elsewhere. Let us hope not!!

BTW, the reference above to the cops finding out where you live and coming to visit was regarding a couple of instances where the cops arrived at the driver's destination before he did! :eek:

I suppose the moral of the story is to simply deny everything. As you say, the onus is on the cops to provide the proof, not on alleged offenders to prove that they are innocent.:beer:

[bluninja]

Slim, I never thought anyone would take the first part seriously except KK:D :D :D

However................................imagine a reality TV show SPEED BUSTERS, some nasty looking presenter fronting footage from a technical nerve centre showing speeding offences as they happen...and on board video footage of police chases, maybe even overhead shots from a chopper. I'm sure it would sell. It's probably already in pilot in the US.

 :bigthumb:

 

TTFN

[Slim]

Originally posted by bluninja
Slim, I never thought anyone would take the first part seriously except KK:D :D :D
It was definitely cause for great amusement here in the heart of the Telecom Network! :D I certainly didn't take it seriously. :p

[Kwaka-Kid]

bahaha, is this funny

well im off, ive drunk ehaps

later

[wkid_one]

PS - if you are riding really really really fast - who is going to see your number plate anyway????

Try a flip up plate - these work a treat, either motorised or using a cable (eg lawn mower throttle cable).....

We are supposed to live in a innocent until proven guilty society - why is is then that motorcyclist are immediately considered guilty of every motoring sin under the sun????

[bikerboy]

:( Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the "innocent untill proven guilty" concept does not rule in NZ.

From past experience and legal advice the attitude of the court is: You will (lie) deny any infringement to get off, but why would a trusted member of the police force( which the courts believe are better than the average public) lie about you committing an offence.

They view the police as having no reason to accuse an innocent person of an offence. Therefore when it comes to their word against your's, it guilty untill proven innocent. You have to prove they couldn't possible have gotten your number plate, description, etc. You must prove you or the bike were somewhere else and if you can't the court will side with the police. As the owner you are responsible for anyone using it, that's how speed camera fines hold up in court.

We don't live in the world we think we do.:argh:

[Kwaka-Kid]

well said bikerboy.

and yeah i know those plates, aswell as having cars with hinging ones on front so when u go approx 60k+ ur plate flips up.

but meh, if you get caught with that ur only asking for trouble. :(

stuff it all, go eat pies and drink red and ride bikes without getting into too much trouble, is all i can say.

[wkid_one]

KK - you were noticeably absent from the open day?

[Kwaka-Kid]

EXCUSE ME! uh oh, what do you mean by open day? if its what im thinking - day @ pukekohe? THEN ARGH MOTHER F*^&$ u are kidding me?

where was it posted?

if not, sorry about the language, but what was it?

[wkid_one]

A chance to go balls to the wall around the track with only 8-10 others bikes on the track......what rock have you been hiding under - Spankme posted it on the front page of the site!!!

Poor boy......I even offered you a ride on the VTR!  Oh well......

Dan

 

[Kwaka-Kid]

:( i hate life now :(

but tracktime on this sat? ill b there, will you?
how many rides did u all get?

[Redstar]

The Japanese police have got a few nasty tricks up their sleeves like they used to fire a net out of a flare gun. Duck net thing and they only did it to the last rider so as to minimise the fatalities to the following banshees. But they had progressed to a thing called MAD Motorcycle Arresting Device. This consists of a pad that is pulled away by the front wheel then it uncovers a sticky pad that sticks to the back wheel and attached to that is a lanyard string then rope that wraps around the rear sprocket and gradually brings the bike to a controlled stop.

nice!:argh:

[wkid_one]

I did 4 20 minute sessions......wicked!  Fecked my renners tho!!

I won't be at tracktime, a little steep in price after the open day only being $80!  I am going for a blast around the Coromandel!!

In the UK they are trailing GPS chips in vehicles.  As the chip is constantly monitored they can measure you distance and time travelled, and hence your speed, if you go over the speed limit at any point in your journey - a tickets comes to you in the mail!!!!  Wouldn't that just kill motorcycling if it caught on.......

[Coldkiwi]

That really would be like 1984 gone mad. I'm not normally to reactive but if they proposed that i could well be down in Wellington baring my cheeks to the nazi that proposes it!!

Lets hope NZ stays a nice third world backwater 40 years behind in police technology (well, certainly in this dept)

[MikeL]

I agree it sounds horrific but let's not forget today's date...

[wkid_one]

Nah - it is true

[MikeL]

GPS tracking - sure (we're bound to get it sooner or later). The Japanese motorcycle arresting device, on the other hand....:bigthumb:

[Coldkiwi]

yes yes, alright... i'm an arse... lets move on!!!

 :p

[wkid_one]

Cold - what does your employer pay you for again??  I have an excuse to be on here as I am 'between jobs'???

[Kwaka-Kid]

hahah cold. :P

i work, then work and work and work

TODAY I SPENT HEAPS ON NEW GEAR!

New Helmet, New Diadora Boots (with racing teflon rub things), new cheap thin gloves

all for scrutineering for racing, because apparently they dont like cracked/grazed badly helmets with bad visors? pfft, ill show them :P

[Coldkiwi]

you're a strange one kwaka! mint boots and then paper thin gloves??

I want the thickest, toughest bastards possible (not the cheapest) that don't restrict my movement i.e armoured on all fingers, knuckles, back of hands, palms, sides of hands (amazing the injuries you can get crashing at 90 kph and the ensuing wishlist!)

I reckon you need to crash more. But then, so do you, so it's not worth us worrying about right? :)

Seriously though, gloves are an important part of the gear and I reckon they're worth spending some $$ on. I'm using some mid range teknic chicane gloves for summer and I think they're retailing at various stores for around $90 now.

 

[wkid_one]

Shorts, Singlet and Jandels!

[Kwaka-Kid]

hell yeah wkid one!

or have you just tried... shorts only? no shirt, no footwear :P bahaha :) cold as hell! and gear lever hurts ur big toe after not too many changes!

and yeah i got those gloves too, i got about 20x pairs of gloves, not mine tho, my old mans, but i gotta pair with kevlar thick padding on all fingures, but i find they are a)restrictive a tiny bit, but mostly b) so hot and i cant feel the biker properly thru them, i.e the throttle/brake etc.

 

anyways hope to see yall :D

[wkid_one]

Technics put out a wicked armoured mesh vest - gr8 for summer $289, just wear a long sleeve shirt over top - no bulky jackets

I can't wear winter gloves, wear race gloves 100% of the time - like the feel!

[bluninja]

WKID like the feel of your race gloves huh? So do you rub em up and down your body:eek: rofl

I'm always amazed at the difference in throttle feel on bare skin as opposed to gloves, but I'll stick with my kangaroo palmed armoured gloves for riding on the road. I find boots you can feel through are a must....nothing worse than jamming on the rear break when you just wanted a bit of drag...or maybe slipping off the peg in a corner cos you didn't realise it was almost off the peg.

TTFN

[wkid_one]

Actually, with a bit of Glyde you'd be amazed the feeling of leather on bare skin!

[Coldkiwi]

I always knew VTR riders were a bit odd

There's plenty of awesome gear out there now anyway that is thin to allow good feel but also has excellent armour and protection through it. the nice people at Du Pont have done a wonderful thing in inventing kevlar for just such occasions!

And as for kangaroo leather.... sounds good to me even if it is just to wear the hide of the australian icon and have it suffer your injuries instead of your own skin!:cool:

[merv]

Talking about clothing, I spent some time in Wisconsin one year in July and the it was funny to see the state of undress of the bikers - jandals, shorts and singlets was about it and it was cool to see all the chickie babes with their butts high on the back of ZXR's, GSXR's, Blades etc wearing next to nothing.

But the thought of hitting the deck - ouch!!!

Just goes to show the American style of marking everything like making sure stickers on the bike tell you to preserve nature by wearing a helmet and protective gear has no effect. Just clutters the paint job of the bike.

I guess out here in general we are altogether more sensible and take care of ourselves and don't assume some lawyer will litigate for us if we have a crash. Though $20 mill would be nice if my jandals didn't protect my feet when I crashed and I could prove the shoe store never told me they wouldn't protect my feet f I crashed a motorcycle and nor did the manufacturer and nor did the bike maker tell me not to wear jandals etc etc.

[wkid_one]

Rather than collecting ACC levies in registration and petrol - why doesn't the goverment MANDATE minimum levels of safety gear.

Yes, safety gear in NZ needs to be certified CE or similar - YET IT IS NOT COMPULSORY to wear gloves, boots, jackets and trou for riding a bike - just the helmet.

Reason - head injuries, however what about spinal injuries etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Typical revenue collection attitude - ie we will recover the cost yet not take proactive action to remedy the route cause - BASTARDS

[bluninja]

WKID I empathise with your feelings, but at what stage does the government cross the line into serious personal rights abuse if it chooses the safety gear you must wear on a bike. Also, who is to say what comprises personal safety? Having protective gear on that protects you in an accident is great, but if the wearing of it (discomfort, heat, restricted movement) contributes to an accident it's not too good. Think of the extra cost all the gear manufactures will have to pass onto bikers as they now have to have everything tested and certified. Even then, how do you legislate for a prat that wears oversize, gloves, boots, helmets, and leathers?

And I think you have also said eloquently in another post that all this gear is designed for is low speed impacts, falls from bike, and slides. So the major smash, will result in serious injury or death. In fact compulsory safety gear may make people survive that might otherwise have died.....and serious injuries cost more to ACC than deaths. Thus better safety equipment could drive ACC up further.

It would be far simpler, and fairer if ACC levies were based on all the licensed vehicles on the road. All types of vehicle (with the exception of bicycle-bicycle, bicycle-pedestrian) are involved in accidents. So since ACC is universal and not based on liability, then all vehicles should share the burden for road injuries and deaths, not just one group of vunerable road users.

TTFN

PS can you imagine having car drivers wear helmets, chest protectors, protective boots, and neck braces to reduce their injury rate as a compulsary measure.

[wkid_one]

That was my point exactly.........although sarcasm is lost in the printed word?!?!?

The above was actually a recommendation completed in an ACC review of motorcycle accidents.......

[bluninja]

Sarcasm is lost on me anyway....as for irony...;)

TTFN