"KBers are dicks"

[White trash]

Now I know alot of motorcyclists. I'd hazard a guess that I've met more Kiwi Biker forum members than anyone else and I categorically disagree with the above statement.

But I also know/meet alot of bikers who aren't in anyway associated with KB for a variety of reasons. One being they don't have a computer/connection, another is they'd rather ride bikes than type bikes. But there's a growing belief outside these cyber walls that gives me this response when ever I mention our wicked website.

"Oh yeah? You're a Kiwi Biker? Aren't they all a bunch of wankers?" And it's becoming more and more common.

So. What are we doing to be tarred with this brush, and what are the negative comments you've received when talking of KB?

I'm interested because I myself had exactly the same oppinion before joining these forums. (And indeed for a short while afterwards)

I now have Kiwi Biker directly to thank for the following. Meeting my soulmate. Meeting a few people that I now count amongst my best mates, even being involved in the wedding of someone I only met 18months ago. Being able to call upon a HUGE number of bikers anywhere between Te Anau and Kaitaia, should the need ever arrise. I'd like to think I've helped a few out too.

So I've kinda changed my view of you dicks.

What d'ya reckon?

[froggyfrenchman]

I too have been at the receiving end of "youre a kiwibiker? arnt they all just dicks, good at riding computer chairs"

I have tried to point out that is is much the same as reading a bike mag and interacting. But they never sway.

Whos to know, maybe some of these guys are the dicks who have joined in the past and have been driven away because of their abusive nature on the forums?

Stuff them all. From being a KBer, i have met some good mates. Gone on some rides with people i dont usually ride with and had tons of great advice.

This is our place.

[Lord Derosso]

Are you coming on the ride today?? I mean the thing with KB is its a site for similarly minded people to discuss problems, ideas and of course to socialise. I haven't been on a group ride for 20 years and yet have been asked if I want to attend the memorial ride today. I am keen to meet new people as all my mates DONT ride or have left to go overseas to work. I would also like to do some touring again at some stage and it would be cool to drop in and see people enroute. I suspect you are right that some of the knockers dont have thumbs so couldnt type on a forum anyway, but hay thats their right and I still wave to each and every biker on the open road and very very few do not adknowledge that kinship. Cheers

[Badcat]

there's a growing belief outside these cyber walls that gives me this response when ever I mention our wicked website.

"Oh yeah? You're a Kiwi Biker? Aren't they all a bunch of wankers?" And it's becoming more and more common.

So. What are we doing to be tarred with this brush, and what are the negative comments you've received when talking of KB?



well - if someone that doesn't know me thinks i'm a dick, i simply don't care.
ken

[Colapop]

If I had a bike I'd definitely have been on more rides. I dunno if that means I'd have met more KBers than not. Probably would have met more KBers and more bikers in general. Recent events here (plolitics and personalities) have gone straight over my head. As I said in a thread regarding that stuff I'm happy to be blithely unaware of it - I don't even care about it either. But I do care about the community that KB has allowed me to become part of. There are a huge number (more than 10) of people here who have been welcoming, friendly, helpful, funny... you get the idea. There's a few dicks too. Aren't there everywhere though? Those that aren't involved here are entitled to their opinion. I'll still invite people that I meet to become part of KB. I reckon a person not known is a friend not made.

[swanman]

Fair comments WT. KB has given me a new lease of life with bikes. After riding for 20 yrs. My riding was with an occasional mate on a bike or by myself. Riding with other similar minded bikers has really improved my enjoyment of bikes at the detriment of my bank balance.

I suppose as a group of bikers we may come accross to outsiders as a bit geeky at times, and maybe with a higher crash ratio. But I think that is largely because what we do is so transparent to others.

The best thing is having the sense of help never being far away and being able to share your passion with others. After all most guys are into their cars these days so our passion is a relative minority thing by comparison.

[Madness]

According to the reputation recieved box in my User CP... I am a dick.

I have encountered similar opinions of KB out there in the "Real World" myself. I think if we want to change that conception of us/here we need to do more than just organise the tearing up of the roads on weeknights. This is for me the best site I have been to (including a dating one where I got laid several times) and long may it continue, you guys crack me up.:banana:

[Blackbird]

Like you, it's something that's worried me more than a bit. I've just about flagged Kiwi Biker not because of personal attacks on me or anything similar but simply because I can't be bothered filtering the crap, often attacks on other people. On the other hand, I've also met some wonderful people through the site who will be lifelong friends. I can stay in touch with them now without using this website but there are always cool new people to be discovered by occasionally looking in.

Unfortunately, we've lost some great people on the site due to other's stupidity and I certainly don't use it a lot these days. I guess that the site is simply a reflection of life and we make our own choices as to whether we simply look in and don't post, take a bigger role or don't come here at all. The UK Superblackbird site is a shadow of its former self mainly due to people misusing the site. Maybe it's the price you pay for democratically letting everyone have their say.

Right, that's my say - must go and get the 'bird ready. Mrs B and I are off to Taupo for brunch.:apint:

[XTC]

Read the title and thought instantly of the dicks fuck assholes bit in Team America World Police...... :o

Kiwi biker... fuck yeah!

[smokeyging]

There’s a few dreamers out there who don’t know what they are talking about.
Why is this club so active? Sure, it may not appeal to everyone, but there’s some sharp guys here. If we were a bunch of dicks, the club would fade to nothing. The only knowledge needed here is knowing the difference between bullshit and truth.

[Dafe]

"They're a bunch of Dicks!"

To me, that sounds awfully like somebody who can't keep pace and therefore has made his excuse for not participating.

Can't say I've come across that opinion in Wellington yet, Which is nice.
However, Kiwibikers are everywhere in WGTN. They're working in every shop and they're providing buisness for every shop too.

There is also the whole range of KB'ers in WGTN, from your insane hoons "Str8 Jacket, Sels1, Hitcher" through to your sensible riders "Mikey, Madboy, Cowpoos"

[Bonez]

Fair comments WT. KB has given me a new lease of life with bikes. After riding for 20 yrs. I'd have to say the same. Although I don't go to track days or group rides. Prefering to ride by myself generally, riding with fellow Kbers has been great though. Have had the odd evil stare :Pokey: after I've mentioned the KB site though. wondered what that was all about.

Stumbled onto KB purely by accident, I may add, doing google search for gasaxe info I think it was.

You guys/gals have a grand support network going.

I do hope, in some small way, that I've given some usefull input in the time I've here. Tis nice to put nicknames to faces out in the real world.:cool:

[Marknz]

Now I know alot of motorcyclists. I'd hazard a guess that I've met more Kiwi Biker forum members than anyone else and I categorically disagree with the above statement.

But I also know/meet alot of bikers who aren't in anyway associated with KB for a variety of reasons. One being they don't have a computer/connection, another is they'd rather ride bikes than type bikes. But there's a growing belief outside these cyber walls that gives me this response when ever I mention our wicked website.

"Oh yeah? You're a Kiwi Biker? Aren't they all a bunch of wankers?" And it's becoming more and more common.

So. What are we doing to be tarred with this brush, and what are the negative comments you've received when talking of KB?

I'm interested because I myself had exactly the same oppinion before joining these forums. (And indeed for a short while afterwards)

I now have Kiwi Biker directly to thank for the following. Meeting my soulmate. Meeting a few people that I now count amongst my best mates, even being involved in the wedding of someone I only met 18months ago. Being able to call upon a HUGE number of bikers anywhere between Te Anau and Kaitaia, should the need ever arrise. I'd like to think I've helped a few out too.

So I've kinda changed my view of you dicks.

What d'ya reckon?

Nah, good try... but you're still a dick

:cool:

[Fatjim]

"They're a bunch of Dicks!"

To me, that sounds awfully like somebody who can't keep pace and therefore has made his excuse for not participating.

Can't say I've come across that opinion in Wellington yet, Which is nice.
However, Kiwibikers are everywhere in WGTN. They're working in every shop and they're providing buisness for every shop too.

There is also the whole range of KB'ers in WGTN, from your insane hoons "Str8 Jacket, Sels1, Hitcher" through to your sensible riders "Mikey, Madboy, Cowpoos"

Hey 200+k's on a tiger900 is hooning, (and scary)

[jimbo600]

Now I know alot of motorcyclists. I'd hazard a guess that I've met more Kiwi Biker forum members than anyone else and I categorically disagree with the above statement.

But I also know/meet alot of bikers who aren't in anyway associated with KB for a variety of reasons. One being they don't have a computer/connection, another is they'd rather ride bikes than type bikes. But there's a growing belief outside these cyber walls that gives me this response when ever I mention our wicked website.

"Oh yeah? You're a Kiwi Biker? Aren't they all a bunch of wankers?" And it's becoming more and more common.

So. What are we doing to be tarred with this brush, and what are the negative comments you've received when talking of KB?

I'm interested because I myself had exactly the same oppinion before joining these forums. (And indeed for a short while afterwards)

I now have Kiwi Biker directly to thank for the following. Meeting my soulmate. Meeting a few people that I now count amongst my best mates, even being involved in the wedding of someone I only met 18months ago. Being able to call upon a HUGE number of bikers anywhere between Te Anau and Kaitaia, should the need ever arrise. I'd like to think I've helped a few out too.

So I've kinda changed my view of you dicks.

What d'ya reckon?

I don't think you're a dick, I think you're a cunt.

I guess anything internerdy can have connotations of dickdum to those who don't know. KB has been a fantastic resource for bikers in NZ and really pulled the community together so it's all good in my opinion. Opinions proffered without examination are ignorant opinions indeed.

[madboy]

WAY too early on a Sunday morning to be talking about anything serious.

My problem with the site these days is that there's so much non-bike related stuff. Which I think is a result of the site becoming more of a community-based site, rather than a bike site. If I wanted to hear about love lives, flatmate problems, work problems and whatnot, I wouldn't be looking on a biker site. But in saying that, I love KB. It's introduced me to some wonderful people. Even the ones I don't like I'm still glad I met, because even though some might not be on my xmas card list, they're still fun to ride with! And that's what it should be about - RIDING the bike.

I like the fight club philosophy - kms travelled to post ratio of greater than 30 to 1.

[White trash]

I don't think you're a dick, I think you're a cunt.

I guess anything internerdy can have connotations of dickdum to those who don't know. KB has been a fantastic resource for bikers in NZ and really pulled the community together so it's all good in my opinion. Opinions proffered without examination are ignorant opinions indeed.
I'm a cunt? How often you been to visit since I moved to Auckland? 'Nuff said. :)

[MidnightMike]

Hey WT, why do you only have 5 x's when you have done 6000+ posts? :weird:

[KATWYN]

Well being called a "dick" is a very general comment, I wonder what their
idea of a dick actually is??

The people that say we are "dicks" may have had a run ins with people
that happened to be KB members, so they decided to infer that to the whole population of 4668 KB members. Very bold conclusion.

Katie

[White trash]

Hey WT, why do you only have 5 x's when you have done 6000+ posts? :weird:
Coz you get a X when you've done a thousand mindless posts, not one. You can count can't you.

[MidnightMike]

Coz you get a X when you've done a thousand mindless posts, not one. You can count can't you.

:slap: 10 characters.

[FROSTY]

Im not quite one of the "origonal" members -mainly because I hated anything to do with puters and cyberspace.
But I have been around awhile and I've seen Kb get bigger and change into something Im not wholey comfortable with.
I hate seeing flame wars and attacks on other members which to me is far too commen nowadays.
Looking in from outside it wouldn't look good.
I've seen eexactly the same sorta stuff over and over again in different biker organisations-Bronz,Telemarcos,even different bike clubs and the result is normally that the club collapses --the people who do the work organising rides,race meetings etc just have a gutsfull of all the politics and nastyness

[Dooly]

I found this site while looking through Google for 'NZ motorcycle sites'.

I've found this place excellent for finding out info about all kinds of bike related things.
I dont post much, but read here everyday, several times.
I hope to contribute more.

Being out of the road bike, and basically all bike scene for 7 years (cept for toodling around my place on the dirt bikes) I have'nt had any interaction with any bikers so obviously have'nt heard any comments at all.
When I get my on road skills back properly and a few things sorted I hope to meet some KBs and go for the odd blast etc.

I guess its like most things in life, and especially with internet forums I've found in the past.
The good and the bad.

Why worry, who cares, if you enjoy what you're doing, carry on, and fuck the detractors.

[GR81]

"kiwibiker rides? ive heard theyre pretty dangerous and quite a few people crash"

^ ive had that a couple of times. :(

[Matt Bleck]

Yeah it's a shame all the shit slinging, trolling etc. that goes on here, But I still think the good side far out weighs the bad.

I have meet and ridin with alot of cool people, whom with out KB the most contact I would have had with, was a friendly wave while passing.

If people think where dicks, good for them, but in all honesty I think there the ones missing out.

When ever I come across a fellow biker, I always rant & rave about KB, when I should be promoting KMC.

[smokeyging]

WAY too early on a Sunday morning to be talking about anything serious.

My problem with the site these days is that there's so much non-bike related stuff. Which I think is a result of the site becoming more of a community-based site, rather than a bike site. If I wanted to hear about love lives, flatmate problems, work problems and whatnot, I wouldn't be looking on a biker site. But in saying that, I love KB. It's introduced me to some wonderful people. Even the ones I don't like I'm still glad I met, because even though some might not be on my xmas card list, they're still fun to ride with! And that's what it should be about - RIDING the bike.

I like the fight club philosophy - kms travelled to post ratio of greater than 30 to 1.

HHmmm.. there is a magic here in this club, it could well be the flatmate problems, work problems or heart attacks etc that keep it going, it is showing us all that we are not alone with our problems, bikes are not just bikes, we ride them for a reason. My real getaway hobby is photography, I don’t know a hell of a lot about it, but more than some, I am in clubs on the net, and that’s it, just photography, these guys are struggling for members, why would this be? Were as here this club it’s very active. Of course this club won’t suit everyone, it’s a bit like some vote for labour, some vote for national or whatever, who’s right, who’s wrong.

[jimbo600]

I'm a cunt? How often you been to visit since I moved to Auckland? 'Nuff said. :)

Can't argue with that one. Fancy making me feel like a cunt on my Sunday. You cunt you.

[Sensei]

From what has been said to me by older peolpe that I have talked to about KB is that there are to many Young know it all's on there as well as older ones & from what they have heard the group rides are more a race then anything else . Myself I would have to agree with this but everyone has their time of stupidness even me ! Will be getting back to taking rides this year with a new focus on skill based rides & correct riding practice while on the road . I think all us older riders can remember been young & riding like there was no tomorrow , lets try to teach our next generation of KB elders the right way so they to can live a long a happy riding life ! :cool:

[Skyryder]

Yes a bit sad but true. Mention you post on KB and I get that look like I'm a leper. So don't mention it much now'a'days. I don't think it has much to do with any 'stick' that is given here. I think you either frequent forums or you don't. Most that come and look might not be forum posters per se. I bet there are other forums that most of us post on. It might no be a biker forum but another that has an interest for you.

I go on a couple of fishing sites on the odd occasion, but in truth I spend more time on here with you guys than anywhere else.

It's the flavour of Kiwibiker that' uniqe and we all contribute to that.

Skyryder

[Goblin]

I dont mind being a dick at times. Would be a boring place if there were no dicks. If it weren't for KB I wouldn't have met all the awesome people I've had the pleasure of riding with. Nor would I have got useful mechanical information to help me fix my bike. Also, I wouldn't be feeling the excitement of preparing for the training day with JM & SH.:banana:

Of all the people I have told about KB, not one has had any negative comments so maybe it's a location thing going on there with the negative comments.

To me KB is like my extended family. We have our little squabbles but at the end of the day we all share the joy of being part of a cool community.:cool:

[Big Dave]

Who fucking cares. It is what it is.
Next you'll be on that 'motorcyclists reputation' bandwagon.

[WINJA]

Im not quite one of the "origonal" members -mainly because I hated anything to do with puters and cyberspace.
But I have been around awhile and I've seen Kb get bigger and change into something Im not wholey comfortable with.
I hate seeing flame wars and attacks on other members which to me is far too commen nowadays.
Looking in from outside it wouldn't look good.
I've seen eexactly the same sorta stuff over and over again in different biker organisations-Bronz,Telemarcos,even different bike clubs and the result is normally that the club collapses --the people who do the work organising rides,race meetings etc just have a gutsfull of all the politics and nastyness
YOUR A DICK FROSTY AND IM GONNA MAKE YOU EAT GRASS AGAIN NEXT TIME I SEE YOU , WHATS THIS BULLSHIT YOU BEEN SAYING ABOUT BEING FASTER THAN ME?:kick:

[bigmyk]

Well hey now, from the perspective of someone on the outside looking in (i've been registered for a while but a posting virgin) I'd have to say the whole "your'e all dick's" thing is a crock of shit! You guy's have been a great source of information & entertainment for me on my current obsession with getting a road bike. I have belonged to a few dirt bike clubs and as in life theres always going to be differing opinions (dicks?) but i guess thats what makes it interesting. Keep it up its great! Whoa, thanks for that, I'm off for a lay down.:corn:

[Toast]

Anyone judging in that way, based on hearsay or the actions of a few, is a bit of a simpleton really. As sad as I feel for them for denying themselves potentially good experiences, I don't worry about their view of me too much.

Having said that, any biker that I've mentioned KB to normally has no idea what the hell it is.

KB is great...having so much knowledge and so many opinions to draw from in a time of need is really valuable. Being able to give a bit back now and then is kinda cool too.

I have only been on a handful of KB rides and Puke open days, but people were generally really welcoming and far from a pack of dicks. Considering that normally all of them knew each other and I was the odd one out, this puts them above most 'groups' that I've ever come in contact with.

As for the flaming and people being dicks...have a little more self assuredness people. If someone unjustifiably judges you ill, then they're the loser...if they're right, then thank them for giving you the chance to change yourself and make it right. I think I've probably learnt a bit from KB in this area.

[Dont_die_wondering]

KB has shitloads of members, and loads of ppl contribute, whats more to say, its shit hot! :cool: info right at your fingertips when you need it

[R1madness]

They say "KBrs are Dicks, Crashers, Mad, Dangerous, etc."

I say, "yep thats true. Sounds like us."

They say "why do you talk to them? i hear they are all fuckwits"

I say "Fuck you mate who the fuck do you think you are trying to tell me how to live my life and dictate who i talk to. I have met some really good people on here. People that i have never met face to face that i can ring for help at 3am after a major crash in the middle of nowhere and get some help. People that dont judge me because i ride way to fast. People that have a sence of humour. People that help me keep my sanity while i recovered from a life threatening accident that has kept me off a bike for 7 months (and counting). Where the fuck were you when i needed a sholder to cry on at midnight when the pain got too much? Fuck off asshole these people ARE my friends."

They slink off with their tail between the legs wondering to themselves if maybe they had us all wrong.

[Streetwise]

O bugger i thought this was the amway site, hahahahahahahaha well its almost the same ISNT IT. lol

[inlinefour]

I don't pay much attention to that sort of shyte anymore and reckon its more their problem eh. These days I tend not to mention much about kiwibiker that much unless someone has a keen interest in gaining information and/or meeting people. I reckon some riders are a tad strange, with anyone being outside their group being a "dick". Which in turn ends up with them actually looking like an arse IMO.:Pokey:

[GR81]

info right at your fingertips when you need it
and naked girlies on bikes available on tap also :)
que: fishslayer :)

[Motu]

This site seems to have attracted a lot of ''needy'' people - mostly young with a desire to ''belong'',they need to talk to each other with no content,they want to ride together...all in all very random.I don't come to this site to get involved with people,I have made no real friends from this site,and don't care if I do or don't,I seldom go for rides with members of this site...I prefer not to,but sometimes I might tag along for awhile.I don't talk about the site with others,and will switch my computer to TradeMe if a rider walks into my shop.I have done over 6 thousand posts here,but don't feel I ''belong'',I'm not a KB member as you seem to call it.I just like to have my finger on the pulse of motorcycling.The more it mutates into a boys club the less time I'll spend here.

Yes,I'm embarassed to admit I'm on this site....I don't want people to think I'm one of the dicks here.

[T.W.R]

Kb is a melting pot of people, genders, ages, experience, knowledge, attitudes, the works.
Thats what makes it what it is, sure some people clash from time to time but shit that isn't soley contained to here, it happens everywhere. And for someone looking in and judging what the atmosphere & culture of the site is is pretty short sighted.
When i joined in i was soley looking for something & stumbled on to KB through the dropbears site, as many do i browsed around prior to registering, but the site showed itself to be diverse in its knowledge & entertaining to boot.
For an outsider to make a judgement call without actually experiencing the enviroment completely is totally misguided.

[Lazy7]

its just tall poppy syndrome.

KB is huge. And with that comes two things.

first up you get the people that are probably a bit green they aren't involved.

secondly - with such a big community you inevitably attract the odd bad apple.

but for the majority - we are not dicks. just good guys that enjoy biking.

The only real negative comment i have ever really heard was:

"Geez - i wouldn't go on a ride with those KB'ers, too damn fast for me."

but how is it a bad thing if we have a large number of people on here who are damn good at riding bikes?

[kro]

People mock what they don't understand sometimes. The "dicks" comment may be an ill-informed judgement on a group of bikers, who just happen to be computer literate too, and have a tight friendship both on and off line, and this may be a source of jealousy for the ill-informed... who knows.

I think however, if its the actions of KB'ers at track days and organised rides that brings this comment up, then thats another kettle of fish. Has anyone actually had fish in their kettle?, and if so, how did it get there?.

[BuFfY]

I am always happy to say I am on KB... if someone tells me they ride bikes I immediately ask them if they are on KB and if not I tell them to join up.. so obviously I am not ashamed of it!

I can see how people looking from the outside can see that there are dicks in here... when I first joined I was easily offended but after awhile on here you get used to it. People mostly throw shit because they know it doesn't mean anything. I have met a heap of great people on this site and learnt a lot! I'm not going anywhere!!

[oldrider]

From what has been said to me by older peolpe that I have talked to about KB is that there are to many Young know it all's on there as well as older ones & from what they have heard the group rides are more a race then anything else . Myself I would have to agree with this but everyone has their time of stupidness even me ! Will be getting back to taking rides this year with a new focus on skill based rides & correct riding practice while on the road . I think all us older riders can remember been young & riding like there was no tomorrow , lets try to teach our next generation of KB elders the right way so they to can live a long a happy riding life ! :cool:
I couldn't care less what people think or say, at least on KB you have a lot of freedom to express yourself within reason. If you don't like it, don't read it!
There is no rule that says you have to be what you are not.
I felt like an intruder at first because I am old but I feel I am privileged to be allowed to read the wide spectrum of opinions expressed on here, on all sorts of topics, not just bikes.
So far I have been very impressed with the general knowledge and common sense of the young people on here. Some very silly things are said at times but at least it creates a balance and a lot of it is pure piss take.
It is also good to get the female point of view about bikes and things general.
If being on KB means you are considered to be a "Dick", then I am proud to be a "Dick".
Thank you all for allowing me to be with you.
Too isolated to join rides but look forward to meeting you in person on the road sometime.
I have already met some nice people from on Kiwi Biker. :yes: Cheers John.

[John Banks]

All Kiwibikers are dicks.

But they're good dicks.

[Badcat]

This site seems to have attracted a lot of ''needy'' people - mostly young with a desire to ''belong'',they need to talk to each other with no content,they want to ride together...all in all very random.I don't come to this site to get involved with people,I have made no real friends from this site,and don't care if I do or don't,I seldom go for rides with members of this site...I prefer not to,but sometimes I might tag along for awhile.I don't talk about the site with others,and will switch my computer to TradeMe if a rider walks into my shop.I have done over 6 thousand posts here,but don't feel I ''belong'',I'm not a KB member as you seem to call it.I just like to have my finger on the pulse of motorcycling.The more it mutates into a boys club the less time I'll spend here.

Yes,I'm embarassed to admit I'm on this site....I don't want people to think I'm one of the dicks here.

Sorry Motu, but you "belong".
i enjoy your posts immensely, maybe because we share similar tastes in bikes or whatever. I don't do the group ride thing much either, and have made few friends (as yet) in the "real world" from KB.
But, i get a LOT out of KB, as i am frequently housebound with my little kids, and it keeps me sane when i'm covered in baby food, smelling dirty nappies or just plain exhausted. Also as my project bike took a lot lot longer than expected, the advice i got (some from you BTW) and the fellowship i enjoyed was often one of the high points of my weeks.

so - you are one of us dicks.
deal with it.

k

[cowpoos]

through to your sensible riders "Mikey, Madboy, Cowpoos"

I'm gunna bite you!!!!!! label me with those two twats....and besides I'm in the rapa....thats rite.....the wairarapa hardcore....!!!!!!!


and yer....bout this thread....theres fuckin heaps of dicks out there in life....so why would everyone like this site......shit why would anyone who's on this site like everyone thats on here...we are all different....think different....so of course you won't like everyone....

Not everyone in life will like you....but the ones that do will more than make up for the ones that don't........peace out bro

[cowpoos]

From what has been said to me by older peolpe that I have talked to about KB is that there are to many Young know it all's on there :

age has no bearing on intelligence....tell them old know it alls that....and then they can go fuck them selfs.....eh!

[hunt]

i'm on this site purely for entertainment,and to be honest at the moment i would spend more time on the p.c, than riding my bike, i've been on part of 1 KB organised ride it was entertaining but 2 stop startish for my taste, personally i've got more important issues to be concerned about than someone thinking i'm a dick, like, some people think i'm a cunt

[Mr. Peanut]

Maybe its because some people have these huge, unrealistic online ego's, which while entertaining, might seem a little 'dickish' to the unintiated? :(

[Jamezo]

I doubt I'd be riding now without KB. I have a fair bit to thank the community for, all the years of lurking and trolling gave me an excellent preparation for actually riding, making me much less n00b-ish than I have any right to be.

I know people who despise KB for the rides, because of the race attitude (no complaints about that from me :P), and the number of crashes present. They believe that these rides have been causing new bikers to can the whole thing because of binning in situations where they feel pressured to keep up.

I'm not exactly sure of what place the rides should have as part of the community. The only ride I have attended was split decisively between the litre-club guys going hell for leather, and the rest, which was pathetically slow. (yes, this was the ride where I binned in the wet, completely seperate from the KB group I must say!)

But the people are cool. Some that are very informative and helpful (Motu, Ixion et al), some that do nothing but talk shit, and most which are just pretty friendly! (oh, and WINJA, who has roffled my waffles more times than I can count. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to WINJA" :P)

[mikey]

What d'ya reckon?

your a dick, homo

[mikey]

that there are to many Young know it all's on there
plenty of old know it all cunts to

from what they have heard the group rides are more a race then anything else, I think all us older riders can remember been young & riding like there was no tomorrow , lets try to teach our next generation of KB elders the right way so they to can live a long a happy riding life ! :cool

man, what a load of shit, not the advice, just who its coming from

[sugilite]

I lurked around for a while and I chose what I thought would be a safe 1st post which was a reply to what is your fave looking bike.
I said the Ducati Hyper Motard and straight away Biff comes in and accuses me of being the type to look at other mens penises at urinals, so yeah, I realized very early on there were "dicks" here.:tugger: I'm glad it did not put me off as I have got so much out of KB and I'd like to think I've given some back too.
I feel everybody can add something, so picking on newbies is a pathetic self serving ego boosting sport. Just because they have posted a handful of times and they have a L plate tag does not mean they do not know anything, for all one knows they could be a national level racer with 20 years+ experience including winning championships, eh Biff!:bash:

I treat people online as I would in the real world, I would be surprised if some stranger came up to me at a race meeting and said you look like the type to check out mens penises at urinals, and I'm not just saying that because I'm 2 meters tall lol

I've bought 5 others to the site now, four of them women but don't thank me cowpoos I'm not doing it for you, I'm just trying to balance things up around here lol
Every biker I meet, I too ask them if they have heard of KB, if the answer is no, I tell them to check it out. I also tell them it can be feisty with a few dicks about, but it is still well worth while to join up.

I now have a road bike for the 1st time this century, and this too is directly a result of myself joining KB.:yeah:

So A HUGE THANKS to Spankme and all the moderators toiling away tirelessly in order to give us the most incredible biker community ever created in this fine country. :grouphug: :clap:

[Skyryder]

"kiwibiker rides? ive heard theyre pretty dangerous and quite a few people crash"
(

:Oi:

SSShhhhhhhhhhhhsshhhhhhhhhhh. We don't talk about that.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I lurked around for a while and I chose what I thought would be a safe 1st post which was a reply to what is your fave looking bike.
I said the Ducati Hyper Motard and straight away Biff comes in and accuses me of being the type to look at other mens penises at urinals, so yeah, I realized very early on there were "dicks" here.:tugger: I'm glad it did not put me off as I have got so much out of KB and I'd like to think I've given some back too.
I feel everybody can add something, so picking on newbies is a pathetic self serving ego boosting sport. Just because they have posted a handful of times and they have a L plate tag does not mean they do not know anything, for all one knows they could be a national level racer with 20 years+ experience including winning championships, eh Biff!:bash:


So you're the reason Biff's been lumbered with a $300 levy for residency.:kick:

Skyryder

[Kendog]

Couldn't agree more with your entire post Sugilite. I know some people here enjoy winding people up and having a piss-take, but it's usually best to actually know the person a little first! :Oi:
My motto in life and on here is, if you have nothing nice or constructive to say, say nothing at all. I don't expect people to agree with everything I say all of the time, but shit, let me at least have my opinion, and if you don't agree, then that's fine (you can get farked, oops, I mean...), but you don't need to personally attack me. :Pokey:
So anyway, to say something nice, I enjoy the info I get from this site, attending the occasional KB or associated ride, everyone I have met (so far) from here are really nice people and value the opinion of several KBers that always have great advice; sugilite, Uncle B, et al, etc etc.:grouphug:
So thanks.
Mrs KD.

[iwilde]

I've found this site has some very good information on it, but very clicky as the 1thousand+ posters seen to only interact with each other, which is all good if you've the time to spend on here. I've also seen a lack of tollerance towards new members at times which makes it a bit harder to "join in". As for being dicks? There's dicks on every forum, every work place and every social circle.

[Hitcher]

What d'ya reckon?
I don't think that Kiwi Biker holds the patent on wankerdom. But people are generally more respectful when they can see the bug splats on another biker, rather than some of the crap that goes down in here at times.

Mrs H and I have made some great mates through Kiwi Biker. We even bought a new Marauder via PMs with this skinny dude who used to live and work down this end of the island...

[Hitcher]

I've found this site has some very good information on it, but very clicky as the 1thousand+ posters seen to only interact with each other, which is all good if you've the time to spend on here. I've also seen a lack of tollerance towards new members at times which makes it a bit harder to "join in".
I think you mean clique rather than click. But what the hey. It's Sunday and what should be a day of rest for the BDOTGNZA...

In my experience people on here will judge you by the quality rather than the quantity of your posts. There are many sub-1000 posters with comparatively large amounts of rep, showing that they are pretty well regarded by their on-line peers.

[GR81]

SSShhhhhhhhhhhhsshhhhhhhhhhh. We don't talk about that.
those who we do not speak of

haha

[duckaddict]

This thread is now four pages long, and I enjoyed reading everyone of it so far (unusual), and I also share the same sentiments as almost every one posted so far (unusual again).

KB is good and I'm staying put no matter what others say, I'll be the judge.

[madboy]

There are many sub-1000 posters with comparatively large amounts of rep, showing that they are pretty well regarded by their on-line peers.I beg to differ [slightly]. While I agree there are many infrequent posters on here who are tremendously well regarded and for good reason, I disagree that rep should ever be used as a judge of someone's "well-regardness". You get rep for making controversial statements, or being very opinionated. While in some people that may translate to a good thing, most of my rep has come from my more "controversial" posts, rather than from my sensible ones. Doesn't mean I'm that well regarded, rather that I'm controversial and opinionated!

[hunt]

I think you mean clique rather than click. But what the hey. It's Sunday and what should be a day of rest for the BDOTGNZA...

In my experience people on here will judge you by the quality rather than the quantity of your posts. There are many sub-1000 posters with comparatively large amounts of rep, showing that they are pretty well regarded by their on-line peers.


thats what the referral to dicks is about if people are on here to judge other people

[MSTRS]

There are some here who call me things worse than 'dick'. So? I, and those I have met, don't think I am. KB is a great place to be. The number of members/active posters is now big enough to fairly accurately reflect society and all it's diversity. I always mention KB to bikers I meet around the traps. Most have not heard of it - perhaps they check us out, I hope so. Someone (Suglite?) said that new members tend to be ignored - I'd agree in the sense that newbies anywhere need to get involved to be noticed, so it's a two-way street. My advice to newbies is to post lots (how long did Placidfemme stay unknown), and get themselves on the organised rides/trackdays. There are members here who will ride for 2-3-4 or more hours to be involved in a ride in another part of the country. Do you think they'd do that without KB??
This place rocks, cocks.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm proud to be a member here, despite some of the shit slinging that goes on. I've met some decent people from this site, made some good friends.

Really I couldn't give a toss if some ignoramus believes that kb'ers are all dicks or crashers or whatever. To make a general statement like that displays to me their intelligence (or lack there of) anyway. Anyway, I'm onearmedbandit, defined by what I do, believe in, stand up for etc. Not 4000+ other people.

[Hitcher]

Doesn't mean I'm that well regarded, rather that I'm controversial and opinionated!
Love you. Love your work.

[Motig]

suglite your experience was similar to mine and I did think the site was populated by "dicks" but after intially thinking about never visiting the site again I carried on and must say I cant help looking at least once a day to see whats happening with everyone. I think the problem is that some of the posters to the site have basically "small dick syndrome" and use the forums to show it meanwhile spoiling it for the majority. Certainly a newbie wouldn't be expecting some of the comments which are sometimes on here when they ask a perfectly reasonable question and I could see that they could take them personally thereby helping stuff up the reputation of KB.
But heck overall its a good crew and lots of fun.:Playnice:

[Lord Derosso]

It may explain why we got some very flat responses from the other crowd waiting at the Rimatuku Caltex today. I was just trying to be friendly until Maximus warned me that there was THEM and then there was US. One of them told me blankly that '' the KiwiBikers left half an hour ago.. ", which of course was bullshit, but I was in no doubt it was an opened hint to piss off. Bit sad to think bikers have lost the traditional kinship of old or perhaps everyones a bloody dick afterall. I dont give a toss. How can I get worried about what some dork whos barely looked at me thinks. BET YOU he wouldn't say no to a helping hand if hes binned his bike and that is what the reality of bike riding is really about. been there for each other.

[Jase W]

If it werent for KB, i'd still be riding like the first (& only, so far) organised ride I attended. I have been on KB pretty much since I started riding back in late '04, but its only in the last couple of months that i've really gotten into it, and thats because i went on a ride and met some great people :D

Also because of that ride, I was offered I bit of coaching in riding technique from Uncle B (and others have also given me a few tips), which has increased my riding ability alot more and alot faster than if I had been trying to figure it out myself.

KB Rocks!

[Stealth]

The KB reputation is fuelled by those "taker" Administrators that let threads run, like "Bryce is ...." A statement from them recently said they wanted to clean the site up, so this is what they condone as good for the site. I only come here for amusement, wouldn't want to be associated.

[trumpy]

Life occaisionally delivers up some funny (literally) coincidences.....like this thread for instance. Went for a ride to Tauranga and back yesterday and on the return leg stopped for a rest nearby another group of riders. Walked over to be sociable and in doing so enquired if any were KB'ers. A little surprised to get the "bunch of dickheads" response. As I walked away I heard one of the riders make further remarks about "wankers" and some disparaging remarks re my Trumpy. Well now I may be old and a KB'er and the Trumpy is certainly not the fastest 600 in the world and to describe her as pretty would be stretching the bounds of credibility, but hey, it was not me who dropped his bike in the road works a couple of kays down the road being a prat and scratching his nice new Bandit. No bodily or serious bike damage but you did look a real wally! Sometimes life is sooo good.....

And to the two prats on scooters in Newmarket last Friday; it's a good thing I saw you, in the distance, run the previous set of lights and had a vague feeling you might try the same thing at the next set. Sure enough you did and despite being prepared for the possibility, I still had to brake hard to avoid you. The work vehicle I often take to Auckland is three tons of 4WD, high roof van with enough unsprung weight to anchor half our Naval fleet which means: (a) it doesn't have sports car handling and (b) it's firking heavy and doesn't stop quickly (despite the ABS) in fact for the purposes of impact, consider it an imoveable object. Good luck next time boys.
Rant over.
cheers

[Hitcher]

The KB reputation is fuelled by those "taker" Administrators that let threads run, like "Bryce is ...." A statement from them recently said they wanted to clean the site up, so this is what they condone as good for the site. I only come here for amusement, wouldn't want to be associated.
You'll have to better than this at expressing yourself. I, for one, have no idea what you just said or what crime, exactly, you think that "administrators" are guilty of?

[James Deuce]

The KB reputation is fuelled by those "taker" Administrators that let threads run, like "Bryce is ...." A statement from them recently said they wanted to clean the site up, so this is what they condone as good for the site. I only come here for amusement, wouldn't want to be associated.

It's not fuelled by anyone except the posters.

The moderators (not administrators) are more concerned about personal attacks and threats than mostly justifiable rants about an individual's inability to ever provide anything remotely like a "quality retail experience".

Would you prefer that this site turned into one of those sterile US sites that are over moderated and low on post count and interesting content?

I also think that the moderators would rather that we behaved like grown ups ourselves, without them having to read every single post and run it through an acceptability algorithm.

If you have a specific complaint you can use the "report this post function" at the top right of every post (it's the exclamation mark in the box at the top right) and talk to the people whom you hold responsible for the timbre of this site.

[Mattyc]

Well now I may be old and a KB'er and the Trumpy is certainly not the fastest 600 in the world and to describe her as pretty would be stretching the bounds of credibility, but hey, it was not me who dropped his bike in the road works a couple of kays down the road being a prat and scratching his nice new Bandit.


Off topic
Rofl !! No one who rides a bandit should be hassling the look of any bike ! :puke:

[James Deuce]

As for "KB'ers being dicks", anyone who leads with an insult is an insecure ball of neurosis. I think part of the problem is the average age of motorcyclists in NZ. Anything to do with computers provokes an utterly unreasoned response of fear and mistrust from part of the over-40 brigade.

I guarantee, one night lying drunk and covered in frozen vomit (probably Stone's Green Ginger wine) with the "person" you most despise from this site and you'll wonder what the hell the issue was.

[White trash]

The KB reputation is fuelled by those "taker" Administrators that let threads run, like "Bryce is ...." A statement from them recently said they wanted to clean the site up, so this is what they condone as good for the site. I only come here for amusement, wouldn't want to be associated.
Exactly the person I wanted to hear from.

Why not? What is it about KB that you don't want to be associated with? We're just a bunch of people discussing experience. Maybe in the hope that someone will benefit, sometimes (and this is me) for self glorification.

Are you better than the 1000+ regular posters here?

[Kornholio]

If it weren't for KB I wouldn't have met all the awesome people I've had the pleasure of riding with.

Didnt I meet you on NZDating?:Pokey: :banana: :spudwow:

[larriken]

Now I know alot of motorcyclists. I'd hazard a guess that I've met more Kiwi Biker forum members than anyone else and I categorically disagree with the above statement.

But I also know/meet alot of bikers who aren't in anyway associated with KB for a variety of reasons. One being they don't have a computer/connection, another is they'd rather ride bikes than type bikes. But there's a growing belief outside these cyber walls that gives me this response when ever I mention our wicked website.

"Oh yeah? You're a Kiwi Biker? Aren't they all a bunch of wankers?" And it's becoming more and more common.

So. What are we doing to be tarred with this brush, and what are the negative comments you've received when talking of KB?

I'm interested because I myself had exactly the same oppinion before joining these forums. (And indeed for a short while afterwards)

I now have Kiwi Biker directly to thank for the following. Meeting my soulmate. Meeting a few people that I now count amongst my best mates, even being involved in the wedding of someone I only met 18months ago. Being able to call upon a HUGE number of bikers anywhere between Te Anau and Kaitaia, should the need ever arrise. I'd like to think I've helped a few out too.

So I've kinda changed my view of you dicks.

What d'ya reckon?

Don't really have that problem as we're not smart enough to use a computer out in the sticks. :lol:

[Goblin]

Poke yaself! You were a dick there too :laugh: :finger:

[cowpoos]

I've bought 5 others to the site now, four of them women but don't thank me cowpoos I'm not doing it for you, I'm just trying to balance things up around here lol
:

yeah I know man....but I just take real good care of them :love:

[Kornholio]

Poke yaself! You were a dick there too :laugh: :finger:

Lol yeah what a freak show that place was...i think you were the only sane one that was in there :D

[cowpoos]

You'll have to better than this at expressing yourself.

that sentance needs a ...DO...

[Lord Derosso]

I guarantee, one night lying drunk and covered in frozen vomit (probably Stone's Green Ginger wine) with the "person" you most despise from this site and you'll wonder what the hell the issue was.
[/LEFT][/QUOTE]

It wasnt me ! It wasnt me !! BUT I know exactly where you are coming from with this wisdom. Too many current riders have never slept in cold wet dark hairy places when they get their MEAN machines. :Oi:

[Wellyman]

Some of the dicks on this site are really dragging down the image of the site. I have got sick off the bullshit and have stopped visiting here so often and instead visit other sites or go work on my bike.
WM

[cowpoos]

Don't really have that problem as we're not smart enough to use a computer out in the sticks. :lol:

and the morse code internet!

[yungatart]

Don't really have that problem as we're not smart enough to use a computer out in the sticks. :lol:

and the morse code internet!
Course youse country fellas are....you still use semaphore, don't you? THAT takes real smarts, that does.:rofl:

[Skyryder]

How many types of dicks are there

1 Dick head

2 Clever Dick

3 King Dick

That's all I can come up with. Are there any others??

Skyryder

[cowpoos]

semaphore

errrrr.........stop using fancy orchlander words.......us cunt-ry pumpkins don't know that shit!

[cowpoos]

How many types of dicks are there

1 Dick head

2 Clever Dick

3 King Dick

That's all I can come up with. Are there any others??

big dick....little dick....stupid dick....

[Mental Trousers]

I've been around online communities for a long time and in general it's usually people who haven't got any experience of that community directly, rather they just heard from friends it sucks. And usually those friends are people who have turned up thinking they're King Shit and get arseholed off the site or they read 1/2 dozen posts and quit.

KB may seem to have a high rate of crashes, but the thing about this place is if someone says whoops I threw it down the road IN the forums then everyone knows about it. Other types of groups don't have the extremely rapid dispersal of news that a website does.

Personally, I don't bother too much telling people that I am a regular here now. As with most websites I've been involved with people find their own way here. If they want to find somewhere online that is about bikes then they'll end up here quickly. If they don't then they're usually not interested in using computers.

[terbang]

Everywhere you go I guess you will find an element that you could call dicks but as allready stated, I have met a lot of real nice people here that have enhanced my motorcycleing experience.

[yungatart]

errrrr.........stop using fancy orchlander words.......us cunt-ry pumpkins don't know that shit!
I'm greatly offended - I'll have you know that I am Taranaki born and choose to now live in Hawkes Bay - both places are FAR superior to orchland. I will accept your apology with grovelling befitting a cunt-ry parsnip- oops, I mean pumpkin...

[cowpoos]

I'm greatly offended - I'll have you know that I am Taranaki born and choose to now live in Hawkes Bay - both places are FAR superior to orchland. I will accept your apology with grovelling befitting a cunt-ry parsnip- oops, I mean pumpkin...
errrrrrr........from the naki eh........hmmmm......I'm a lil surprised you know words that big if thats the case.......

[Hitcher]

errrrrrr........from the naki eh........hmmmm......I'm a lil surprised you know words that big if thats the case.......
Be VERY careful where you go with this, Mr Poos...

[yungatart]

Hitcher is also from the Naki.... I think you'll find that is from whence many of those competent in the art of spelling and grammar originate. I await your humble apology....

[cowpoos]

Hitcher is also from the Naki.... I think you'll find that is from whence many of those competent in the art of spelling and grammar originate. I await your humble apology....
you got rep :p

[750Y]

i'm holding a tupperware party on the 26th if anyone's keen...

[Slides]

I have only been on a handful of KB rides and Puke open days, but people were generally really welcoming and far from a pack of dicks. Considering that normally all of them knew each other and I was the odd one out, this puts them above most 'groups' that I've ever come in contact with..

I have to agree with this, I've only recently joined and only been on a couple of rides, but I was never made to feel like the 'odd one out'...

...even if I can't keep up.. .:crybaby:

[scumdog]

Met a lot of good people from this site, contacted a lot more good people I have yet to meet.
But there is a certain bunch that do the writing equivalent of "talking just to hear their head roar" - they know who they are but never mind, it makes the rest of us look good!!

[Storm]

Well.....I used to tell everyone I met about this site back when it was about the bikes- now that theres so much childish shit on here I dont bother unless I direct them to certain folks who will be able to give constructive advice.
But as Big Dave says, it will be what it will be- as long as Spank is willing to let anything go, it open season for all
Have to say, I dont enjoy/check the site out as much as I used to

[jonbuoy]

I treat people online as I would in the real world, I would be surprised if some stranger came up to me at a race meeting and said you look like the type to check out mens penises at urinals, and I'm not just saying that because I'm 2 meters tall lol


You hit the nail on the head there sugilite.

I'm new here but I found KB is a Good place for advise on problems, what and where to buy gear and places to ride. Not really into the group rides I prefer riding on my own, just a personal preference. Theres been a few times when I've tagged along with another bike for a while at a nice pace and would like to ride with them again, so I guess here would be a good place to try and find them.

[Insanity_rules]

big dick....little dick....stupid dick....

Dick cheese, fat dick, thin dick, needle dick......

I've had it a couple of times that people have said to me that quote "those guys are f@cken dangerous" etc....
To which I've replied have you been on a KB ride before? and the answer is almost always no. My crew here usually have quite well organised rides and I've only met good suportive people here.

Takes all kinds I suppose.

[Dafe]

Hey 200+k's on a tiger900 is hooning, (and scary)

Thats coming from a Twin Honda rider, so we understand!

[Wellyman]

errrrrrr........from the naki eh........hmmmm......I'm a lil surprised you know words that big if thats the case.......

here goes another good thread turned into shit talkin and mud throwing. downhill it goes and back into pointless drivel.
WM

[MSTRS]

here goes another good thread turned into shit talkin and mud throwing. downhill it goes and back into pointless drivel.
WM
Lighten up. Threads here tend to be conversations. I've never known a conversation to stay exactly on the initial subject.

[scumdog]

However MSTRS I have never seen so many 'conversations' revert to abuse and slanging like they do on KB, - except maybe when I have just 'ruined' somebodys day by pulling them over, and even then it does not get as bad as KB.

I suspect a lot of wind-bags get their jollies by being abusive without worrying about being identified or within a fists reach of the person they are slagging off.

After all, just look at the profile/details of some members, somewhat anonamous (sp) I'd say??

Me, I'm reasonably straight-up and don't try to hide who I am or what I do.

A few seem to be of the "You are a wanker and can't ride but I'm a shit-hot rider and I'll tell you how good I am even if you don't ask" type of mentality.

But susprisingly so far all I have met have been particularly pleasant and would be welcome in my home any time.

[The_Dover]

Hi,

My name is Richard and I'm a kiwi biker.

[scumdog]

Hi,

My name is Richard and I'm a kiwi biker.

So we do have Dicks on KB??:slap:

[MSTRS]

I know what you mean SD (and Wellyman) - there is some gratuitous slagging and putdowns that are utterly un-necessary, and I suspect that those posters are simply trying to stir trouble with little risk of a smack in the mouth. I have been known to give as good as I get, but I'll never do it first and then only after a lot of provocation. I guess tis better not to react to the sort of post that leads to a shit-fight, but is not easy to stand by and have some dick malign everything one holds dear when that person has never so much as met you.
All the KBers I have met have been good sortsand 'slagging' between mates can be very funny when it's cleverly done. No problem with that sort of thing as is just the natural ebb & flow of conversation at it's pithiest.

[Big Dave]

But susprisingly so far all I have met have been particularly pleasant and would be welcome in my home any time.


Save us all the trouble and tell me where you keep the Silverware too please.

(it's an australian thing):chase:


Lots of cool people on here and some prime tossers - -like any society - i've made some good new friends in non virtual world met here.

To me KB is another media - like the magazines or web sites i work for, just more immediate.

I don't fell I 'belong' - just happy to contribute and use it as a tool.

[idb]

All the KBers I have met have been good sortsand 'slagging' between mates can be very funny when it's cleverly done. No problem with that sort of thing as is just the natural ebb & flow of conversation at it's pithiest.
True enough, but a lot of the conversation on here at times could be more appropriate for PM.

[MSTRS]

True enough, but a lot of the conversation on here at times could be more appropriate for PM.
....or the Chat forum (I think it is called). Since chatting has gone on since KB's inception, staying on the open forums is just a habit. Perhaps it will slowly change?

[DEATH_INC.]

I've been here a fair while now, seen a fair bit of change too. I first found the site cause someone (not giving any names) asked if I'd heard of 'those kiwibiker tossers' so I tought I'd better have a look....
The site really doesn't represent the people behind the names too well, most are not bad blokes or bloketts when ya meet 'em in the flesh, but remember folks, what is on here is what most people see of us when they look......I may not have joined if I'd read some of the recent crap that's been going on, and would have missed out on meeting some bloody good people (yes even the great Trash :not: )
The reputation we have is prolly a combo of those who've looked here and seen the crap, and those who've heard from the mate of a mate who new someone that heard about our rides, though some of them.....
I'd really like you guys to try to remember there's people behind the aliases, so take it a bit easy on each other would ya.

[vifferman]

I'd really like you guys to try to remember there's people behind the aliases, so take it a bit easy on each other would ya.
Who are you calling a 'people', dammit?

[DEATH_INC.]

Who are you calling a 'people', dammit?
Sorry, it won't happen again....

[Smorg]

Lighten up. Threads here tend to be conversations. I've never known a conversation to stay exactly on the initial subject.

He cant ligten up he works with spence at atomic. Its not an easy gig

[number33]

The bleating 'holier than thou' crowd are the real pain in the ass. So what if people hassle each other? Jesus fucken christ it's just entertainment - if readers don't like it , they know what to do. If people prefer nice pleasant touchy feely stuff, then sign up to the religious channels. Have a good life and see you later. Much later

[cowpoos]

The bleating 'holier than thou' crowd are the real pain in the ass. So what if people hassle each other? Jesus fucken christ it's just entertainment - if readers don't like it , they know what to do. If people prefer nice pleasant touchy feely stuff, then sign up to the religious channels. Have a good life and see you later. Much later
absafucklouly!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Squeak the Rat]

The bleating 'holier than thou' crowd are the real pain in the ass. So what if people hassle each other? Jesus fucken christ it's just entertainment - if readers don't like it , they know what to do. If people prefer nice pleasant touchy feely stuff, then sign up to the religious channels. Have a good life and see you later. Much later
It appears the thread title is true!

There's been more than a couple of threads recently that the participants didn't regard as entertainment.

[scumdog]

The bleating 'holier than thou' crowd are the real pain in the ass. So what if people hassle each other? Jesus fucken christ it's just entertainment - if readers don't like it , they know what to do. If people prefer nice pleasant touchy feely stuff, then sign up to the religious channels. Have a good life and see you later. Much later

Is the last line a promise??

[Biff]

I've seen Kb get bigger and change into something Im not wholey comfortable with.


Rispek to that.

Newbs are good, new prats arent good. It's almost like it's a snap shot of society itself here these days. I come here to try and hide from the real world.

Shit - I was even neg repped recently by a newb for saying I thought Heidi Klum had a nice arse. The idiot said I was "Inbread". I don't know what the fk he was on about as I've nothing against wheat based products.

Maybe he meant "inbred". Who knows. But she does have a fine arse. Maybe her arse is made out of bread. In which case I wish I was "inbread'.

Fkin newbs. Go out and get a proper job. No - that's not right - erm - get a freakin life. Erm - nope that doesn't work either. Ahh fk it. Welcome. Be nice, and show some reespek. And if you're going to insult me - learn to spell proper.

Sorry for thread hijacking.

Carry on.

[Big Dave]

Oh Biff, I'll still love you in the morning darling.

[Biff]

How do you like your eggs BD? Fried, scrambled or fertilised?

[MSTRS]

And if you're going to insult me - learn to spell proper.
Just to be a prat....why do we say 'propper' but 'gropeher' ?? I blame the Welsh:cool:

[Smorg]

Some people are dicks, some people arent dicks. Its the same everywhere you go.........except nudist colonies then you get a bit of variety

[Badcat]

I blame the Welsh:cool:

didn't the first "Ginga" come from wales?

http://www.gingerkids.org/

[Str8 Jacket]

Well im a KBer and im a dick and I dont really care who thinks what. I used to work with a guy who rode on all the TSS rides and they always used to say that KB rides were dangerous when in actual fact they had more accidents on their group rides then most organised KB rides.
If it werent for KB im not to sure how much I would still be enjoying riding...

When I wrote my first bike of the guy's I was riding with were awesome. Had only met most of them one or two times but that didnt stop Uncle B coming and picking up my bike from Martinborough and picking me up from Masterton Hospital then taking me back home to Wgtn central when he lives in Stokes Valley.
When I had my "wind" accident and was blown of the road the KBers I was with that day were awesome!
If it werent for KB I wouldnt have met the best boyfriend ever!
There are so many people that have helped me through the KB website. Ive had KBers help me move and lend me garden tools, I have KBers come and help a workmate when they didnt even know him. I have also met some great mates through KB!
Its just like real life, there are always gonna be the ones that ruin it for the rest just like there are always going to be those that will do anything for anyone. Im glad I joined KB, my days at work would be boring without it.

[Ixion]

Just to be a prat....why do we say 'propper' but 'gropeher' ?? I blame the Welsh:cool:

So do I . Makes llife much simpller . Just bllame the Wellch for everything. It's worked wellll these llast 700 years. Anyway, 'tis onlly fair, serves 'em right for having such funny nnames I mean to say , Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch, f'instance, c'mon now.

[number33]

Is the last line a promise??

Don't tempt me. :crybaby:

[Biff]

Anyway, 'tis onlly fair, serves 'em right for having such funny nnames I mean to say , Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch, f'instance, c'mon now.

I agree.
Why be original?
Why not simply steal place names from the mother land like all the other British colonies.

Transcript(ish) of the telephone call which eventually brought me here.

Caller: Hello Mr Biff. Would you like to apply for a position in Christchurch?
Biff: Nope. It's a shit hole.
Caller: I didn't realise you'd been to New Zealand.
Biff: Oh that Christchurch.

True story.

Now get back on topic before KB dick whinges like a pom with his dick caught in her zipper.

[James Deuce]

Christchurch beach is nice though. The one in Devon that is. I found bones, that turned out to be from that utter FUBAR in WWII where Canadian and US troops in landing craft got shot up by E-Boats during a night time D-DAY practice landing.

[Cajun]

Warning Wall of Text Read if you DARE

Okay I been floating around this site for a good time i think.

I wouldn't say i 'belong' as some people put it, since i am a bit of a loner in style, "long time of always riding by myself"

I joined in mid 2003, there weren't really any other kb from tga, other than What?, F/F came one day for a visit, and i caugh up with him and what at his place.

It wasn't until i got my k4 600 in early april i went on my first ride with Kb, this was a kopu ride. Between thames, and the whamataia(sp) turn off, there was already two crashes, many younger less experence riders(some on learners) going far faster than they should, following far to close etc etc. I decided to turn off and head back to waihi via whamataia(sp) since it had taken us 1 1/2 hours to do a trip which sould be 1/2 hr really. And to put in blunt put me off riding with kber pretty much totally.(I have previously ridden alot with uylsses club, its a VERY VERY rare occision, that there is bin on one of there rides, where it is common on a kb ride, and before you ask, not all uylsses riders are slow, cruisers, there is a number in the tga group which have vtr1000, vfr800's and like[not sports bikes but sport tourers, and ride pretty quickly]. Coming from a family who rides bikes, its not like i have to find people to ride with, so in a way we ride with each other. But other than i pick kb rides i choose to go on, by who looks like be attending, and numbers attending.

I stoped coming to kb early 2005, due to most what was happening on the forums, people ruining peoples questions they asked, by going total off topic, and talking about whatever they wanted, and not what the orginal poster was wanting to know.

Which is really insulting, and people just who just go posting in as many posts as they can to get higher post count, or try and get more rep(which is another thing i do not total agree on). These actions in a whole i know put alot of long term members and some new members off.

I short time ago came back, since i heard things had chanced and was much better, and over all it has got better a little. But i believe there is to much
seldging of each other(i know this has it place) but its getting a bit out of hand and over board. And this shows to people who come and visit and see this, and the the behaviour of a few reflect and on the whole.

People remember/listen to bad information, over helpful/nice information. And if someone comes on here see's people being idiots, they will tell people and the biker community is a small % of nz of a whole.

I truly believe close to half of the regular posters on here, are DICKS, they might be good guy/girls, but they act like dicks on here. Some i have riden with some i have not, and will not. Some of these ride like DICKS on the road, some do not, some i will never know since i will never ride with them since i head they are DICKS from other kbs.

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Some comments/recomadations to stop the 'KBers are Dicks'

Forums =
I believe a more strick control of the contend and behavior and comments allowed in the Bike sections of the forums, should be looked at, (I am mod on couple of other forums, i know it is hard for users to get use to this, but its the lesser of two evils i believe)

KB riders =
Two or more riders have to go up to these DICKS, and tell them there riding is unacceptable, and reflects badly on the whole group (i know for a fact of people who have lurk on kb, who interest of joining have gone to watch rides, with kb, and followed behind to see what they like and been put off). And if they are still acting like a DICK, asked to leave the ride.

There are a few other things i could say, but i will leave it at that.

[Oscar]

I gotta say that there are some Dicks here.

Example:

I replied to a thread on insurance (specialist subject and all) - I was backing up Motu 'cause he was getting a bit of stick about not insuring. My reply was along the lines of "if he doesn't wanna insure it's his right".

This got me red feedback and:


thats rich coming from a dickhead just putting his 5c in ! fuck off ya scrotum licking fuckhead

[Biff]

Christchurch beach is nice though. The one in Devon that is..

Another Christchurch!

I was thinking about the one in Dorset.

[James Deuce]

Gahh I meant Dorset. Devon next one along.

[Lou Girardin]

You could say it's sour grapes. But then, the site is open to anyone (sometimes unfortunately) so that can't be the problem.
Perhaps we're seen as the coolest, ridingest bikers around and the plebs get intimidated.

[Wellyman]

He cant ligten up he works with spence at atomic. Its not an easy gig

Hey MSTRS it's tossers like this fella I mean. really great contribution to the site you gay fucker!,one of the many low lifes on KB.
WM

[Wellyman]

Smorgen is actually a girl so now I feel more sorry for her. WM

[Smorg]

Hey MSTRS it's tossers like this fella I mean. really great contribution to the site you gay fucker!,one of the many low lifes on KB.
WM

ooook hero.......Everyone contributes in their own special way. Even foul mouthed trash like you no doubt have a part to play on KB, although it sure as hell isnt the service you provide to the biking community down at Atomic now is it? Oh and thanks for the abusive red rep, I double it in green everytime i make a post like this about guys like you. Come back when your legally allowed to vote and you might be able to come up with something more damaging than "gay fucker"

Hugs and kisses,

Smorg

[The Pastor]

Im not quite one of the "origonal" members -mainly because I hated anything to do with puters and cyberspace.
But I have been around awhile and I've seen Kb get bigger and change into something Im not wholey comfortable with.
I hate seeing flame wars and attacks on other members which to me is far too commen nowadays.
Looking in from outside it wouldn't look good.
I've seen eexactly the same sorta stuff over and over again in different biker organisations-Bronz,Telemarcos,even different bike clubs and the result is normally that the club collapses --the people who do the work organising rides,race meetings etc just have a gutsfull of all the politics and nastyness

Yeah I joined up a while ago, before it got big. Most people you'd find online was 10 - unlike the 90+ you find on today, I liked it better when it was less people, mainly because there were less of the morons, But kiwibiker is still great
and the rides are awesome so meh:Playnice:

[Skyryder]

ooook hero.......Everyone contributes in their own special way. Even foul mouthed trash like you no doubt have a part to play on KB, although it sure as hell isnt the service you provide to the biking community down at Atomic now is it? Oh and thanks for the abusive red rep, I double it in green everytime i make a post like this about guys like you. Come back when your legally allowed to vote and you might be able to come up with something more damaging than "gay fucker"

Hugs and kisses,

Smorg


Yep some here don't know how to throw a bit of stick. They just resort to expletives. I try and be original. Not easy. Anyway it's fun and games for all.

Skyryder

[jonbuoy]

Another Christchurch!

I was thinking about the one in Dorset.


Hey whats wrong with Christchurch Dorset!!?? - I've had many a good night at the castle tavern and highlander "Night Club" he he.

[sels1]

Ive picked up on a few anti KB comments lately too...I think its a them - and -us syndrome if you are not part of it you have to be against it. I have meet a lot really good people here - and ok, maybe the odd dick, but thats the society we live in - anything I have ever belonged to has always had at least one dick - you cant get away from it!

[vs04]

Hey MSTRS it's tossers like this fella I mean. really great contribution to the site you gay fucker!,one of the many low lifes on KB.
WM
I hope you dont eat with that mouth little boy.

[Biff]

Hey whats wrong with Christchurch Dorset!!??

It reminds me of that village from American Werewolf in London. You know the one that the two hitch-hikers come accross while tramping accross the moors - it's....'creepy'?

[Kittyhawk]

When I got my bike I didnt know any riders (Phenoix you dont count coz I knew you at school *shudders*) When I was told about this site I went on a ride, and made friends, I have no regrets about this site, there are some stupid things done but hey.............we have all done something stupid at some stage of our lives. Some express this more than others around the site.

I think this site is a good thing, I've learnt alot and developed better riding skills. If people dont support the site or bad mouth it let them as long as we know we are happy and having fun who cares!!!

Everyone has a voice, opinion and appetite hehe!!:rofl:

[Shadows]

I gotta say that there are some Dicks here.

Example:

I replied to a thread on insurance (specialist subject and all) - I was backing up Motu 'cause he was getting a bit of stick about not insuring. My reply was along the lines of "if he doesn't wanna insure it's his right".

This got me red feedback and:
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Not really on I guess but what a brilliant put down... got to find a reason to say that to somebody tomorrrow:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[u4ea]

i must be a kb dick:cool: ..................... but i like my new kb bagde:grouphug: and am looking forward to bumping into some more kb dicks along the way...................except winja: :Pokey: .............but then life would be very dull.................:crybaby:

[N4CR]

WELL i JUST PUT MY OLD KIWIBIKER STICKER ON THE BACK OF MY BIKE AGAIN SO YOU CUNTS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON THE SITE CAN COME ON AND MOAN ABOUT MY MOTORWAY ANTICS AND SAY THAT ALL KIWIBIKERS ARE DICKS, IT'S THE DUMBARSE RIDER ON A ZX2RC WITH THE LOUD CAN ON THE SOUTHERN EVERY DAY IF YOU WANNA HAVE A GO SWEET OKAY? DON'T GET CONFUSED WITH THE RS250 THOUGH, HE IS A NANA.

[jonbuoy]

It reminds me of that village from American Werewolf in London. You know the one that the two hitch-hikers come accross while tramping accross the moors - it's....'creepy'?


Thats just coz ye wasn't a local! They all stop talking and stare at you when you walked in?

[Smorg]

Thats just coz ye wasn't a local! They all stop talking and stare at you when you walked in?

que the tumbleweed

[dawnrazor]

Well according to my User CP I'm a Fag - Ah shit I wanted to be a dick!

[Drew]

And you should know that you are too WT!
I reckon it's because in any large group, there are some complete fucktards, and those are the ones people remember, try to remember some random person who was polite and courteous, aint easy, unless someone is stand out, hands down the salt of the earth, or a fuckin wanker, they tend to slip from our memory.
Unfortunately there are more of the later in this world than there are of the former.

[El Dopa]

big dick....little dick....stupid dick....

swinging dick.....

[oldrider]

One thing I find very interesting about KB is the anonymity and the minds eye picture you build about the contributors/ members/ posters.

This thread about other peoples perception of KBr's being "dicks" is probably as appropriate a thread to post about it. IE: Our perception is our reality after all.

I tend to build up a minds eye image based on what the posters present!

IE: User name, Avatar, subject matter, expressed opinions, language, politics, use of emoticons, spelling and technical knowledge and understanding etc etc.

Another factor is location and who they tend to group/identify with on the forum.

All of this "information" is subconsciously processed in my mind and I form a minds eye picture of the individual behind it and I get kind of comfortable with this perceived character and begin to think I know them!

Then something crazy happens and we stumble upon each other out on the road, at a fuel or food stop, or even at a bike rally and reality takes control.

The person that you meet face to face is nothing at all like the character you have grown to know so well on KB and you have to start all over again.

How many of you have built up a picture of say, Biff ( Ya gotta love that avatar) and then met him in person? Was he anything like your minds eye perception? I very much doubt it!

I have not had that pleasure yet but look forward to that some day! (meeting Biff)

What I am alluding to here is that though we all have some perception of the "dicks" on KB, the privilege of personal contact and knowledge of each other will probably paint an entirely different picture altogether.

This forum has that unique feature and I for one have so far really enjoyed the privilege of participation and look forward to a lot more surprises in the future.

Just thought I would share a few of my thoughts on my "perceptions".:drool: Cheers John.

[Big Dave]

Fuck no I don't wanna meet Biff - he'd probably have his Wozza out.

[Mooch]

Don't really care about what others think KB'ers , My experence has been excellent.

Over the last year for example

KB biker stored my bike whilst living in London for last year. He re-arranged his chocca garage to fit it in ,brought a dust cover for the bike , Cleaned it to an awesome stage , put fuel stabliser in petrol etc etc, I go to pick the bike up , so he gives the disks a clean , cleans and oils the chain, reblackens the mirros , checks air etc.Bike starts first time (once sidestand is up:rolleyes: ) You can't believe how grateful I am (Cheers Jim2)

Was a bit nervous during 7/7 in London , Slept in which resulted in me not being on the Tube System at the time (Wife on bus network at same time).Rather upsetting day.
I put out some pretty ranty emails around the time. People here were understanding and offered support.

KB was also a life line for me as to what was happening in NZ, As they say , you don't miss it ,until you leave it.

Spent a couple of weeks on a motorcycle tour of Argentina recently, Wife and I were new to offroad riding and to which type of bike to hire for the 4k km journey.
Got it down to a short list, Oldrider (Someone I'd like to meet) offered his opinon which took the guess work / worry as to which bike would be right for tour (Transalp).
The bike worked out to be perfect.

I've read countless posts about people helping people, I think thats the true spirit of KB.

[XTC]

Just face the facts.... We're all dicks!

[Badcat]

Just face the facts.... We're all dicks!

i'm a dick.

[Kendog]

Guilty as charged.

[bungbung]

Just face the facts.... We're all dicks!

If you're not a dick, you're a pussy or an arsehole

[neats]

You know if we all brought KB patches and nominated someones garage as a meeting place we could probably graduate from a group of dicks to a gang. Ohhh, wouldn't my mother be proud of me! Aside from that, i was at work looking at a review of the M109R. I wanted to talk about it. Being the only rider out of 35 staff, i was glad to get home and jump into the chatroom. Am i dick, i guess so. But like i care.

[idb]

If you're not a dick, you're a pussy or an arsehole
I'm a boob.

[Biff]

Fuck no I don't wanna meet Biff - he'd probably have his Wozza out.

That's no 'Wozza', that's a guy trying to shake off a sticky turd.

[Goblin]

If you're not a dick, you're a pussy or an arsehole
Or you could be a nut. There's a couple a nuts floating around here:yes:

[placidfemme]

I've been a member of KB for approx 1.5 years now, and I've noticed that nearly ever biker I've spoken to (not from KB) knows of KB and all think very poorly of our little group.

I've also noticed through all the bike shops I've dealth with in that time, that they also know of KB and again think poorly of us...

The most common comment I hear is "arrogant... speeders..." And along the lines of "My bike is bigger, faster, better and I'm the best rider" type attitudes. But I've found the most negative remarks are when "learners" are discussed and the types of peer (speeding) pressure put on the newbs when on rides, and the amount of crashes.

I know that given the figures of how many riders we have, and how many group rides, compared to the amount of crashes (that are rider error related) its not really that high, exspecially when you take into account all the bikes on the road and not just KBers.

Sometimes I find it easier just to not mention that I'm a member of KB then have to defend KB against whomever I'm talking to.

Why do we have such a bad image to some people?

[Smorg]

the thread KB'ers are dicks come to mind when i read this, have a look for the thread im pretty sure it was all covered in that

[placidfemme]

the thread KB'ers are dicks come to mind when i read this, have a look for the thread im pretty sure it was all covered in that

oh... ok I'll have a look for that :)

I've just been thinking about this all night after some comments I got yesterday about KB.

[James Deuce]

Bike shops have issues where KBers make libellous claims about poor service or support. I can't say I blame some of them, particularly when the full story comes to light.

As for the rest of the reputation issues, you can put it down to the "Freedom of Speech" adherents who believe that any old crap they post is their "right", irrespective of the responsibility inherent in communication via a public forum.

Imagine KB as a whiteboard with a small black spot in the middle. The small black spot is the BS contained in KB. The whiteboard is the good stuff. What draws your eye? The black spot.

[SwanTiger]

Fucken hell, this is probably why, cos we moan about people moaning about us as a group. Just shutup and go ride yah' bike.

[GR81]

moaning about moaners... classic! haha

[placidfemme]

Imagine KB as a whiteboard with a small black spot in the middle. The small black spot is the BS contained in KB. The whiteboard is the good stuff. What draws your eye? The black spot.

Thats so true...

*hopes I'm not a little black dot on the KB whiteboard*

[placidfemme]

Asking a question isn't moaning.... your moaning about moaning... the reflection in the mirror looks so familiar doesn't it

[Badcat]

we're a large vocal group of various abilities and experiences.
we have:
dicks
newbies
old salts
clowns
sarcastic pedantic wankers.
i have been all of these at some time.
personally, i don't give a tinker's cuss about what someone i don't know thinks about me, but i can see how we may get a bad rep.
at least we don't sell meth.

ken

[inlinefour]

All this stuff is happening on KBer, like it or not. We have the my bike/penis is bigger/better/faster than you. We have the I can ride/masterbate better than you. We have the individuals who think they are 10 foot tall and bullet proof/ego problems and when they ride, they really can't. All this stuff tends to tarr us with the same brush really and I think there is a tad of in house sorting that could happen.
For example, I occasionally hear about someone who has a shyte bike or a good bike thats lacking in maintiance. To the point that its becoming dangerous. I hear of some awefull dodgey riding to the point that its becoming dangerous. All I know is that if it was one of my mates that was at the point of being dangerous, I'd be keen on helping him/her sort it out. But I also hear of KBers who know its happening and let it happen.
Not really any point in complaining about how it is regarding the KBer image, but rather look at how we can all improve it eh.:soon:

[idb]

we're a large vocal group of various abilities and experiences.
we have:
dicks
newbies
old salts
clowns
sarcastic pedantic wankers.
i have been all of these at some time.
personally, i don't give a tinker's cuss about what someone i don't know thinks about me, but i can see how we may get a bad rep.
at least we don't sell meth.

ken


All this stuff is happening on KBer, like it or not. We have the my bike/penis is bigger/better/faster than you. We have the I can ride/masterbate better than you. We have the individuals who think they are 10 foot tall and bullet proof/ego problems and when they ride, they really can't. All this stuff tends to tarr us with the same brush really and I think there is a tad of in house sorting that could happen.

Not me.
I stand apart from all you other wankers.

[ZeroIndex]

here is the answer.. anyone not on KB is an idiot :D

[Smorg]

im not sarcastic

[Str8 Jacket]

Not me.
I stand apart from all you other wankers.


You prefer to wank on your own?

Ive heard people say bad things about KB and thats cool, people say bad things about ME all the time, life still goes on... Life on KB is much like life in general you got the differing opinions, toys being thrown etc etc. But what some people dont realise is the friendships that are formed within KB and when things happen to other KBers people tend to band together. I hate people that judge things they no nothing about...

[idb]

You prefer to wank on your own?
Not necessarily, but the judge told me that was the way it has to be from now on.

[placidfemme]

Not necessarily, but the judge told me that was the way it has to be from now on.

lmao nice comeback

[inlinefour]

Not necessarily, but the judge told me that was the way it has to be from now on.

was going to bling ya but:

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

good post.:killingme

[Str8 Jacket]

Its all good I blinged him. Very fast response! :laugh:

[idb]

Why thangyou, thangyou very much.............

[Ixion]

I've been a member of KB for approx 1.5 years now, and I've noticed that nearly ever biker I've spoken to (not from KB) knows of KB and all think very poorly of our little group.

I've also noticed through all the bike shops I've dealth with in that time, that they also know of KB and again think poorly of us...

The most common comment I hear is "arrogant... speeders..." And along the lines of "My bike is bigger, faster, better and I'm the best rider" type attitudes.

They obviously do not know about me! :rofl:


But I've found the most negative remarks are when "learners" are discussed and the types of peer (speeding) pressure put on the newbs when on rides, and the amount of crashes.

,,

Why do we have such a bad image to some people?

And yet, the learner rides organised by Messrs Gremlin and Weasel were models of propiety and good behaviour and sensible mentoring. As was the 250cc ride organised by Mr Swanny (well, one exception)

I think the "learner crashing" thing may be a self fulfilling prophecy. There are some learners whose idea of motorcycling is just "GOING REALLY FAST, MAN". These riders usually have a very inaccurate idea of their own capabilities, and often think that riding a bike fast is as easy as driving a car fast. They go out on rides with experienced fast riders. The latter will either be on bigger bikes than the learner, or the learner will be, illegally, on a bike bigger than he can manage anyway. The learner tries to keep up, and crashes.

Such learners do not want to go on learner rides at slow and sensible speeds with other newbies. They are "above that".

Hence the reputation. They would crash anyway, but KB rides give them a venue to do it.

I do not have a solution for this, and I think there may not be one. It may be a matter best left to Mr Darwin.

However , what is a pity is that there are seldom any "slow and cruisey" KB rides, where speeds are perhaps not quite "strictly legal", but are not at sprotsbike extremes.

Suitable for touring and crusier type persons, and "not quite learners".

It is easy to say, of course, "well, organise one then". But my observation is that such a ride will inevitable attract faster riders who then "set the pace" . And the slow relaxed ride turns very quickly into a flat out fang. Which is fine in itself, but defeats the purpose of the exercise.

So the only KB rides, apart from the "special case" of the learner rides, are indeed those notable for very high speeds, wheelies and pushing things to the limit. This is observed by "outsiders" and we have our reputation. KBers whose riding is not typical of that reputation are riding alone and are not therefore recognised as KBers - their ride is not a KB ride. So they never offset the reputation.

Once again, I do not think there is a solution. Unfortunately , KB is often judged by the KB rides, which in the eyes of some people have undesirable characteristics. Please note that *I* am not passing judgement one way or another on either KB riders or KB rides. I personally have no issue with speed as such . I am only pointing out what outsiders may think and see, and the reason for that reputation. It may be undeserved, but it is what others think. So do not flame me.

[Hitcher]

Not me.
I stand apart from all you other wankers.
Ahh. Truly sexually self-contained.

[Big Dave]

People think KB is all nerdy dicks - till they meet me - then they say - wow - 'insanely cool people' - must join.

[Big Dave]

So do not flame me.


*Sigh*, another of life's simple pleasures denied.

[scumdog]

Not me.
I stand apart from all you other wankers.

Flatulence has its negative aspect eh??

[Bonez]

Smorgen is actually a girl so now I feel more sorry for her. WMNow who was it again that was making a dick of themselves?

[Rincewind]

Fair comments WT. KB has given me a new lease of life with bikes. After riding for 20 yrs. My riding was with an occasional mate on a bike or by myself. Riding with other similar minded bikers has really improved my enjoyment of bikes at the detriment of my bank balance.

I suppose as a group of bikers we may come accross to outsiders as a bit geeky at times, and maybe with a higher crash ratio. But I think that is largely because what we do is so transparent to others.

The best thing is having the sense of help never being far away and being able to share your passion with others. After all most guys are into their cars these days so our passion is a relative minority thing by comparison.

Nicely put! ...motorcyclists have alway's had a special camaradarie,it's almost like being part of an elite regiment recognised all over the world,the masses will never understand us because they just don't get it,maybe it should be compulsory for all people wishing to be free of the confines of gruesome public transport to learn to ride a motorcycle first !!! before progressing to the relativley safe environment of the crumple zone airbag protected sofa on four wheels...How good would that be... a process of natural selection would maybe breed a whole new breed of drivers....Hmmmm

[Indiana_Jones]

they think we're a bunch of wankers?

Those cunts can go toss themselves off with a hairy moose and lick the anal spoon of life.

-Indy

[Drum]

I couldnt give a fat rats what "other" people think. I'm not 15 years old and seeking the approval of people I dont even know (no offence to 15 year olds!).

When you're secure enough in your own abilities and accomplishments, other peoples opinions dont mean shit.

[Macktheknife]

Not everyone in life will like you....but the ones that do will more than make up for the ones that don't........peace out bro
I agree, I have mnet some cool people on KB and learned a thing or two from time to time, I try to offer my help when I can to contribute to what I think is a largely good group of people. I cant wait for when my broken bones to heal, so I can go riding with them again.
KB is huge and will naturally have many detractors for various reasons, like we should live our lives by what they say we should do or be!
Rock on KB. I would rather be a dick
Sorry I cant get past the whole dicks, pussies and assholes speech. lol. fuck yeah!

[diggydog]

This site is contagious , just like riding those bikes, there's wankers and wankers and dicks and there's dicks, but we are here to have fun are'nt we, some may push boundrys too far.:nya: :shutup: