sin bin ????

[GIXser]

The Sin Bin got me thinkin in the weekend, i dont really know the rules, but people like SPB, recently got binned, for whatever reason.

SPB, as far as i can tell is fairly well respected in the KB community.
Now there is a lot of shit slinging on this site" i have recieved plenty and given lots ..as far as the people involved most i have ridden with, and some i will ride with in the future." now here's the thing---
there are a lot of people on the site, that dont even own a bike, and some of them are very very ,, good at starting arguments,
Most people i talked to are PISSED" that SPB got binned,
my point is this, should people get binned for speaking their mind on a forum ?
even though we like riding with em, i mean surely its between the two or more people havin an arguement" and thats it. iIdont think its caused any psychotic killings yet,, so why bin people..???maybe a poll would be fairer"


make it a jury rather than an judge (mod)...!!

My point above, (some people dont even have a bike) relates to the fact, that we all get together at the end of the day and go for a ride as friends you put a face to the name, you get to see the "true person"
you never see the people that dont have a bike , yet they may be the cause of the binning!!!

i would like to make this a constructive chat/thread, so please give me your opinions...

[onearmedbandit]

Sin binning is only carried out after either a complaint is lodged or we (the mod's) notice something going on. Then it is discussed by the mod's and Spankme. A decision is then reached. There are probably more people not getting binned despite a complaint then those that do get binned.

The rules of the site are clear enough, break them enough times and you'll get pulled into line. Note that a binning doesn't stop you from actually posting. Oh yeah, no-one gets binned for just speaking their mind on normal issues. But threats, personal attacks, multiple log-ins, etc will get you binned.

[yungatart]

Nothing wrong with speaking your mind - however when it gets to being blatantly abusive, both on the threads and via PM and rep, then the line has been crossed. Sinbinning, IMO, is a good thing. It can give the binned person a chance to think about the way they put things and cool down. I don't see the harm in the mods being able to make that decision. Who, besides the mods, would be on this jury? Who takes any notice of poll results?
The system as it stands works - no need to reinvent the wheel.

[Harry33]

Sinbined...I didn't even know you could be sinbined, considering some of the posts/comments I'd read I'm guessing it would have had to been really bad for that to happen.

[madboy]

In relation to SPB in particular, I've been offside with him before. He didn't like my view, I didn't like his view. Can't say I found it a problem, and I hope he didn't find it a problem either. We agreed to disagree. So f***ing what? That's what grown ups do.

KBers in general. Yes, well, there's plenty of whingy whinny things on this site with an inflated sense of their own importance and belief that they're so right that everyone who disagrees with them must be wrong. Who cares whether they ride, what they ride, what they post or what their thoughts are. Some people just take things way too seriously.

I think the sin bin is like sexual harrassment. It's only sexual harrassment if someone takes it the wrong (or right) way. Telling a chick she has a great rack doesn't instantly cost you your job. Telling the WRONG chick she has a great rack gets you strung up on the rack.

I understand that it takes a moderator to stick someone in the bin. Let's face it - KB is not a democracy. Don't forget that. It's an internet forum, a website. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes people lose sight of that.

[inlinefour]

I've been binned twice now. was not sure exactly why each time, but knew that I did deserve it. I think spank and the mods do a great job, that simple really. IMO things should stay the way as they are.

[Indoo]

Sinbined...I didn't even know you could be sinbined, considering some of the posts/comments I'd read I'm guessing it would have had to been really bad for that to happen.


SIGNAGE FEARING THE LOSS OF THEIR LICENCE THEY SMASH THE COP IN THE FACE , MACE THE COP WITH HIS OWN MACE KICK HIM TO DEATH (JUST LIKE MANGAKINO:first:)


I LOVE IT WHEN CRIMES ARE COMITTED AGAINST POLICEMEN , JUDGES AND MP'S ,IN FACT I REJOICE AND ID LIKE TO SEE MORE CRIMES COMITTED AGAINST MEMBERS OF THE POLICE FORCE PARTICULARLY AT THEIR HOMES AND SOME VIOLENT CRIMES WHILE THEIR ON DUTY THAT WAY THEYLL WAKE THE FUCK UP


Well given Winjas posts wanting to see cops get bashed and giving kudos to cop killers I'm wondering how SPB crossed the line further than that.

Mind you Winjy is a special case.

[onearmedbandit]

Most of the moderators can not sin bin anyone, I think there are only 4 mod's who can (including SpankMe and Wari). Anyway, it is still a collective decision.

[GIXser]

I've been binned twice now. was not sure exactly why, but knew that I did deserve it.

So,, your'e not sure why? but you think its ok,,, i dont understand that

[WINJA]

Well given Winjas posts wanting to see cops get bashed and giving kudos to cop killers I'm wondering how SPB crossed the line further than that.

Mind you Winjy is a special case.
MAYBE MY GOOD BALANCES OUT MY BAD , I CONTRIBUTE ALOT IN TECHNICAL AND SOMETIMES SCOOTER FORUMS WHERE AS ALL YOU DO IS BLAH BLAH BLAH :crybaby:.

THAT WAS JUST SCENARIOS AND FACTS IN THOS POSTS YOU POINTED OUT , IVE NEVER THREATENED VIOLENCE ON ANYONE BUT FROSTY, AND FROSTY KNOWS AFTER 20 YEARS OF HASSLING HIM ITS JUST A PT

[onearmedbandit]

So,, your'e not sure why? but you think its ok,,, i dont understand that

Someone will contact the member and let them know why they have been binned. Maybe this hasn't happened in the earlier days but it is now.

[GIXser]

Well given Winjas posts wanting to see cops get bashed and giving kudos to cop killers I'm wondering how SPB crossed the line further than that.

Mind you Winjy is a special case.

yeah but "its freedom of speech" his choice, no one is asking for anyone to agree,

[idb]

I've been binned twice now. was not sure exactly why each time, but knew that I did deserve it. I think spank and the mods do a great job, that simple really. IMO things should stay the way as they are.
Brown-nose!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kickaha]

yeah but "its freedom of speech" his choice, no one is asking for anyone to agree,


Freedom of speech is a myth, there is no such thing

[WINJA]

I've been binned twice now. was not sure exactly why each time, .
ITS CAUSE YOUR NOT IN THE IN CROWD TUBBY

[Drunken Monkey]

...my point is this, should people get binned for speaking their mind on a forum ?....

It really depends on whether speak their mind is just a euphemism for being rude.


...Freedom of speech is a myth, there is no such thing...

Freedom of speech is not a myth. You are well within your rights to publicly speak out against the government or government policies in a peaceful manner.
Freedom of speech does not, despite popular beleif, mean you have the right to say whatever the f**k you want to however the f**k you want.

[GIXser]

It really depends on whether speak their mind is just a euphemism for being rude.



Freedom of speech is not a myth. You are well within your rights to publicly speak out against the government or government policies in a peaceful manner.
Freedom of speech does not, despite popular beleif, mean you have the right to say whatever the f**k you want to however the f**k you want.


valid point!!!however people are rude in daily life" you have the choice (usually)to ignore it or take offence to it.

[Drunken Monkey]

Indeed, there is no "do not feed the trolls" policy enforcement.

Lots of trolls.

*strike*

Lots of bites.

Hell, I can't talk, I crack every now and again - can't always take the high road...

[NotaGoth]

you never see the people that dont have a bike



Thats untrue. :Pokey:

[Hitcher]

yeah but "its freedom of speech" his choice, no one is asking for anyone to agree,
There is a big different between speaking freely and being an arsehole. Unfortunately there are some amongst us who can't make this distinction.

[Ixion]

..
My point above, (some people dont even have a bike) relates to the fact, that we all get together at the end of the day and go for a ride as friends you put a face to the name, you get to see the "true person"
you never see the people that dont have a bike , yet they may be the cause of the binning!!!
..

Even if a person has a bike, that's no guarantee that you'll be able to "put a face to the name"

Firstly, and obviously, they may be at the other end of the country. Even in another country. Even if they're not, there are a good many of us who deliberately eschew KB rides. For various reasons. So you never see us , either. Nor does that imply any personal objection. Just KB rides aren't to the liking of everybody.

End of the day, sinbinning comes down to the sort of bahaviour that would get you banned in a decent pub. And the nature of the other party is relevant too. Some people can be expected to stand up for themselves and take some rough treatment. Others need a bit more considerate treatment. Nothing wrong with that.

[Hitcher]

Freedom of speech is a myth, there is no such thing
Yes there is. But exercising it carries significant responsibilities. And consequences.

[Smorg]

Sin Bin is in place for a raisin, probably a reason as well & for all intents and purposes Im sure it does its job.

But I wouldnt take offense to anything that was said on here unless it was a threat against me, my familys or my bikes well being.


Whats a bit of red rep between bikers anyway................

[Hitcher]

valid point!!!however people are rude in daily life" you have the choice (usually)to ignore it or take offence to it.
But that shouldn't be used as an excuse or rationale to dish shit out.

The only thing of any value that any of us has, is our reputation. Some people are extremely protective of theirs and will not easily take personal abuse or ridicule. Despite how thick-skinned some of us may be, there is always a tipping point. And also in a "family", people shouldn't stand quietly by and tolerate another family member copping unnecessary or excessive abuse. Well, not in my family anyway.

[Finn]

Sin Bin is in place for a raisin,

Mate, they're not raisins. Poos took his lammey in there for company.

[GIXser]

There is a big different between speaking freely and being an arsehole. Unfortunately there are some amongst us who can't make this distinction.

i agree, but, no one is forcing you to read the threads" you can, should you choose, to simply not read particular responses,or comments.


But that shouldn't be used as an excuse or rationale to dish shit out.

The only thing of any value that any of us has, is our reputation. Some people are extremely protective of theirs and will not easily take personal abuse or ridicule. Despite how thick-skinned some of us may be, there is always a tipping point. And also in a "family", people shouldn't stand quietly by and tolerate another family member copping unnecessary or excessive abuse. Well, not in my family anyway.

fair enough,but you must remember it is only a forum!

[inlinefour]

ITS CAUSE YOUR NOT IN THE IN CROWD TUBBY

Knew one of is would figure it out eventually.:rofl:

[WINJA]

Knew one of is would figure it out eventually.:rofl:
YOU SHOULDA JUST LOOKED IN THE MIRROR DOUGH BOY

[inlinefour]

YOU SHOULDA JUST LOOKED IN THE MIRROR DOUGH BOY

Thats how you figured it out. Never would have thought of doing that.:Pokey:

[Hitcher]

i agree, but, no one is forcing you to read the threads" you can, should you choose, to simply not read particular responses, or comments.
Yeah, right.


fair enough,but you must remember it is only a forum!
That's where you are wrong. Kiwi Biker is more than a forum. Unlike many other Internet forums, many Kiwi Bikers meet and know each other well in the off-line world. And even if it wasn't, that's still no excuse for being an arsehole.

[MSTRS]

I'll refrain from posting in this thread for fear of being abused & redded....

[GIXser]

I'll refrain from posting in this thread for fear of being abused & redded....

you just posted!!!

[FROSTY]

Guys I refuse to get involved in this discussion.However BEFORE posting this thread I really would suggest having a yarn with SBP.

[MSTRS]

you just posted!!!
No I didn't. I was just thinking with my fingers.

[Colapop]

The only times I've been sin binned were when some dumbass got caught on our side of the ruck and got dealt to appropriately, or when I grabbed the arm attached to the hand that was squeezing my nuts - and the ref agreed with me (after the match) that I was right to smack him!

[SpankMe]

It’s an impossible job trying to please everyone and it gives me a headache trying to. Some want absolutely no restrictions, while others would like to see most of the site content/members to be deleted/banned.

The only person who can send members to the Sin Bin is myself, and I only do so after reading the advice of the moderators who do a great job helping me out. It’s a thankless job where they sometimes receive abuse for doing so.

A lot of complaints are received, but most I ignore after reading the reported post and think, “What’s wrong with that, harden up”, or just laugh hysterically.

If people are having such a problem with the running of the site, I go on many rides so am available for discussion/suggestions which I prefer to do face to face than online.

[yungatart]

Give yourself a pat on the back, Spank. I have no problems with the job you do, or the way you do it. Thanks:2thumbsup

[Colapop]

Spankme, you made the site. You set down the rules. You run things the way you see fit. People seem to lose sight of the fact that you are not obliged to provide this place for them to congregate, air views, talk bullshit and generally enjoy each other's company. Don't try to please everybody, if they don't like it, they'll not participate. The reality is the only way this site will survive is by staying with the rules and only stepping in when things get out of hand - as you have done so far.

If any of you/us don't like - leave.

[Scorpygirl]

It’s an impossible job trying to please everyone and it gives me a headache trying to. Some want absolutely no restrictions, while others would like to see most of the site content/members to be deleted/banned.

The only person who can send members to the Sin Bin is myself, and I only do so after reading the advice of the moderators who do a great job helping me out. It’s a thankless job where they sometimes receive abuse for doing so.

A lot of complaints are received, but most I ignore after reading the reported post and think, “What’s wrong with that, harden up”, or just laugh hysterically.

If people are having such a problem with the running of the site, I go on many rides so am available for discussion/suggestions which I prefer to do face to face than online.

Thanks SpankMe you do a great job indeed!!! :banana: Keep it up, please!!!

[GIXser]

It’s an impossible job trying to please everyone and it gives me a headache trying to. Some want absolutely no restrictions, while others would like to see most of the site content/members to be deleted/banned.

The only person who can send members to the Sin Bin is myself, and I only do so after reading the advice of the moderators who do a great job helping me out. It’s a thankless job where they sometimes receive abuse for doing so.

A lot of complaints are received, but most I ignore after reading the reported post and think, “What’s wrong with that, harden up”, or just laugh hysterically.

If people are having such a problem with the running of the site, I go on many rides so am available for discussion/suggestions which I prefer to do face to face than online.


there is no question about the site, and functionality of it, as a matter of fact its great, you do a sterling job, if i had a problem with it, i would have spoken to you about it whilst eating our burger and chips on sunday,which by the way was mighty fine too---(mind you i would have told "me" to get fucked" and said im eating my lunch if ya have an issue "post it fuckface"

my query, is simply ( and dont forget im a noobie) The Sinbin process,why and how it gets decided, untill now i didnt know, who made the decision-and its process--

[cowpoos]

Mate, they're not raisins. Poos took his lammey in there for company.
you trying to be funni lil fella.......eh!

[Sniper]

One thing I learnt from the beginning. Mods do their jobs well and there is no point in disagreeing with their desicions, it doesn't shape up well.

I like SPB too, at one stage he was a real arsehole, but thats just one of the traits I like about his personality. Others don't like it and maybe thats what caught him out.

It isn't our place to ask why friends were sin binned, the mods would tell all if they wanted all to know.

[inlinefour]

One thing I learnt from the beginning. Mods do their jobs well and there is no point in disagreeing with their desicions, it doesn't shape up well.

I like SPB too, at one stage he was a real arsehole, but thats just one of the traits I like about his personality. Others don't like it and maybe thats what caught him out.

It isn't our place to ask why friends were sin binned, the mods would tell all if they wanted all to know.

and more to the point, ask those who have been binned as its generally their responsibility, not the mods...

[The_Dover]

I think there should be a sin bin list and the reasons why.

I was sin binned but the other fuck heads involved in the argument weren't. I wont cry about it cos it won't change me and it is only time. My only problem is with the cliques and favouritism that are clearly shown by certain mods.

Spank Me does a great job for sure, my only beef is that the cunt passed me on his SV when I was having an off day. I'll have to see how the land lies when I bring my "A" game I guess. ;)

[Finn]

my only beef is that the cunt passed me on his SV when I was having an off day.

Mate, what was with you on Sunday? I checked your helmet and you had bugs on the back of it.

[The_Dover]

That's cos it was the only view you got of it and I kept turning my head to see where you were!

[WINJA]

I think there should be a sin bin list and the reasons why.

I was sin binned but the other fuck heads involved in the argument weren't. I wont cry about it cos it won't change me and it is only time. My only problem is with the cliques and favouritism that are clearly shown by certain mods.

Spank Me does a great job for sure, my only beef is that the cunt passed me on his SV when I was having an off day. I'll have to see how the land lies when I bring my "A" game I guess. ;)
YOU DONT HAVE AN "A" GAME BITCH , WHEN WE CAME BACK FROM THAT RUKUHIA RIDE YOU HAD INSECTS STUCK TO THE BACK OF YOUR HELMET

[Qkkid]

Well given Winjas posts wanting to see cops get bashed and giving kudos to cop killers I'm wondering how SPB crossed the line further than that.

Mind you Winjy is a special case.
He is no special than anyone else he needs to be reined in that kind of stuff we dont need to hear even if its a wind up

[Qkkid]

I'll refrain from posting in this thread for fear of being abused & redded....
:nya: comon i dare ya buddy :nya:

[avgas]

Why isnt there more corners.....and less arguments?

[MSTRS]

:nya: comon i dare ya buddy :nya:
...hmmm...*thinks*....
Nope. I won't be drawn
:Pokey:

[strayjuliet]

...hmmm...*thinks*....
Nope. I won't be drawn
:Pokey:

Hate to tell ya this, MSTRS, but, well: it would seem you were drawn.

As for the sinbin: yes, I think the mods do need some kinda punishment for those who cross the boundaries.

Spankme: first of all: you do a great job of running this site, thank you. Second of all: If it weren't for you we wouldn't be able to meet some interesting people or discuss same topics. Please keep it up

GIXser: Wolf and I don't have a bike at the moment (we are working on that), yet we have met with some of the KBers and enjoyed their company - made a point of catching up with some on our travels and had a barbecue for KBers at our home - and we even take part in the Cambridge-Hamilton Toy Run so some of those who don't have bikes are seen.

[Edbear]

passed me on his SV when I was having an off day.




Mmmm, think I see a Tui ad...?:second:

[MSTRS]

Hate to tell ya this, MSTRS, but, well: it would seem you were drawn.
Seems I have guts afterall. At least I wasn't hung and quartered to boot.:doobey:

[Qkkid]

Seems I have guts afterall. At least I wasn't hung and quartered to boot.:doobey:
:blip: see i knew ya couldnt resist :yes: :shutup: green bling coming your way hahahaha

[Biff]

Kickaha blows gerbils.


I wonder if it's dark in the Sin Bin?

[Ixion]

The gerbils have not complained. He must be good at it.

[Joni]

Kickaha blows gerbils.Huh?... what?.... errr?...umm? :spudwhat:

You are a dick Biff :D

:sunny:

[Kickaha]

Kickaha blows gerbils.


I wonder if it's dark in the Sin Bin?


pffffft you can't tell a gerbil from a hamster can you?

[Ixion]

Ah, that explains all the complaints from the hamsters.

[MSTRS]

Kickaha blows gerbils.
I wonder if it's dark in the Sin Bin?

The gerbils have not complained. He must be good at it.

pffffft you can't tell a gerbil from a hamster can you?

Ah, that explains all the complaints from the hamsters.
Oh. My. God. :killingme :killingme :niceone:

[Colapop]

Is that any way to treat a new (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=6373) member?

[Biff]

pffffft you can't tell a gerbil from a hamster can you?

Easily. By the colour of their jockeys.

[Hitcher]

Both gerbils and hamsters are unwanted organisms in New Zealand and cannot be legally imported. So you'll just have to make do with Guinea Pigs.

[Colapop]

There's a resident Weasel (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=3297) will that do?

[Hitcher]

There's a resident Weasel (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=3297) will that do?
That's stoatally different. (I had to ferret around for that bit of mustelid humour)

[Colapop]

Rats! That's mole that I can stand!

[Biff]

That's stoatally different. (I had to ferret around for that bit of mustelid humour)

Weasily distinguishable or Otterly unique?

[Edbear]

You're all talking in platypussies!

[scumdog]

Easily. By the colour of their jockeys.

You mean they race hamsters? with jockeys and everything? at Te Rapa? how do they make the tiny saddles?






BTW I get paid to deal with arseholes - but not on this site it seems:confused: