IDIOTS on OUR best roads

[NodMan]

I want to keep this rave separate from the recent SH16 Fatality!

This is NOT aimed at any known KBer!!

After 35 yrs I still luv riding certain roads..(maybe one of the reasons I still get paid to ride for the other side)

BUT fellow riders, there are toooo many idiots making it harder for US to enjoy our pleasure

In defence of SH16, I have enjoyed that, and associated roads for many years and this weekend I was impressed by another group who came thru with what appeared to be a safe organised club ride, well done guys and girls,

BUT was disgusted by the solo non KB nutter and non JAFFA(yes of course I have his plate) who wanted to try to show me how his 1100 would blast my 750 turbo on the straights then (with shite lines and bouncing rear wheel into corners and crossing the centre line) carve up OUR road etc..

now I wasnt working and so there will be no paperwork BUT I am concerned for myself, Mrs Nodman, and all you decent riders who enjoy those same roads.

I gave up the old Riverhead Rd about ten years back when the Remuera tractors took it over,

NOW with our import drivers, tractors,born again losers,politicans with draconian laws,etc, do I have to give up on jaffaland and play on greener pastures??

[crashe]

Nodman - Please don't leave us for greener pastures..............


But yeah I do know what you mean...
I have struck that myself when I am out cruising quietly by myself and some hairbrain rider swoops past me and so damned close... and on corners as well...

If and when I see a rider coming up, I always do my best to pull to the left to give them room to pass me safely... but some are going at such a speed that you dont see them coming.

I cant see why they need to go that fast.... they are missing so much of the lovely countryside...

If they have a need to go THAT fast then go onto a track and see how really good they are at speed.

The last thing that I want to see is that hairbrain rider that has just zapped past me lying in a ditch just up the road badly injuried cos he/she didnt make that next corner at the fast speed that he/she is going at.

So all take care out there on the roads and ride safe.

[plop]

Yeah Crashe..anyone can drive fast,

I enjoy the freedom of riding, I don't care about what bikes people ride as we are out there and we all now how Fun it can be and also how dangerous it can be

So be safe


Nodman -

I cant see why they need to go that fast.... they are missing so much of the lovely countryside....

[James Deuce]

You know, being lectured about being safe is starting to get tiresome. One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.

Riding in a stupidly dangerous fashion as outlined by nodman is truly a disservice to motorcycling, but riding faster than you (by you I mean all the people that refuse to accept that other people might actually enjoy riding faster than you do) do isn't inherently dangerous, and there is no rule that says you need to feel threatened by faster riders.

People crash and die and that is sad, but what I am seeing in increasing measure on KB is a response to the brainwashing about the speed kills message and I don't like the direction it is taking.

Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.

[MSTRS]

You know, being lectured about being safe is starting to get tiresome. One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.
People crash and die and that is sad, but what I am seeing in increasing measure on KB is a response to the brainwashing about the speed kills message and I don't like the direction it is taking.
Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.
Tiresome - yes. Un-necessary - hmmm...no. I think the message is more "Pay attention" rather than "Slow down" - at least that's what I've been reading lately.

[Edbear]

I cant see why they need to go that fast.... they are missing so much of the lovely countryside...




As you say, this is until they become a part of said lovely countryside! I agree there are a few who seem to like tempting the grim reaper, and it does spoil it for others. I am very careful where I stretch my legs, there are safe open places suitable. There are a few really good roads up North if you care to travel up Whangarei way, but I agree the number of good biking roads is a bit limited around the Auckland region. Coro is not too far away for a day ride if you leave early and is great workout, which is why it's so popular with KBers I guess. But I'm hoping to take a trip down the centre of the Nth Is soon, coast to coast there's some fantastic roads down below the Bombays!:Playnice:

[NodMan]

Riding in a stupidly dangerous fashion as outlined by nodman is truly a disservice to motorcycling, but riding faster than you (by you I mean all the people that refuse to accept that other people might actually enjoy riding faster than you do) do isn't inherently dangerous, and there is no rule that says you need to feel threatened by faster riders.


Point taken, I agree that speed in itself isnt inherently dangerous ... but speed wasnt the issue here (in fact anyone wanting a quicker trip to the morgue than me is welcome IF its only themselves involved)...its the danger to others that concerns me, we are having to avoid cages all the time, I dont want to be taken out by any idiot, cage or bike... generally most bikers are safe defensive riders...this idiot wasnt!

[James Deuce]

Point taken, I agree that speed in itself isnt inherently dangerous ... but speed wasnt the issue here (in fact anyone wanting a quicker trip to the morgue than me is welcome IF its only themselves involved)...its the danger to others that concerns me, we are having to avoid cages all the time, I dont want to be taken out by any idiot, cage or bike... generally most bikers are safe defensive riders...this idiot wasnt!

Not argiung that point at all, and down here we have a chap on an Aprilia RSV who "undertakes" riders at the least plausible moment and overtakes on very blind bends. He's pushed me wide on corners with no margin for error, so I really do understand what you are sayin.

I just don't like the idea that we should all ride to the limits of the lowest common denominator, which seems to be at the core of the "ride safe" posts I am seeing in increasing frequency.

[Ixion]

You know, being lectured about being safe is starting to get tiresome. One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.

Riding in a stupidly dangerous fashion as outlined by nodman is truly a disservice to motorcycling, but riding faster than you (by you I mean all the people that refuse to accept that other people might actually enjoy riding faster than you do) do isn't inherently dangerous, and there is no rule that says you need to feel threatened by faster riders.

People crash and die and that is sad, but what I am seeing in increasing measure on KB is a response to the brainwashing about the speed kills message and I don't like the direction it is taking.

Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.


Perhaps the slow riders are mounting a counteroffensive to the jeering of the fast riders? Sauce for the gose, and all that.

For my own part I don't care how fast , or slow, other people ride. I ride at a speed that suits me, but I prefer not to run any unnecessary risk of walking home.

But, there is more to it than just personal preference.

Firstly, like it or not, we share the roads with other people. Including the Interchangeable Mabels. And, when they get blitzed by several bikes travelling at 200+, overtaking them on both left and right (yep, seen it), they (Stan and Ethel) get frightened, upset , and angry. They then call the plod. And if such messages mount up, the plod take notice. And start clamping down on that bit of road. Which upsets ME if it happens to be a bit of road I ride on, cos now the risk of me getting done at my sedate 130 is much increased. So , I don't care if you want to do 300kph on one wheel, go for it. but don't frighten the natives. Cos then that pisses me off

Secondly, it is all well and good for a mature experienced rider to say that speed is a personal choice. But this is not a forum only for mature experienced riders. We have a lot of young, inexperienced riders. And , being young, and bulletproof, their main thought is "how fast can I go". And being inexperienced, "how fast" may be too fast. A cautionary word is not out of place. I am obliged to say that there are some members whose signals to young riders are less than might be hoped for from those who should be looked to as role models and mentors . A sobering word from Ms Crashe or other more responsible riders helps balance that.

[R6_kid]

i've seen it done before. Got passed by a guy on Z1000 with a pillion going into a blind right hander 45kmh corner - I had pillion too.

I was starting to chase him and show him who was king but then noticed that we were entering a populated area and that if i continued the way i was riding just to beat some twat, that it could result in one of us being taken out unexpectedly by someone pulling in to/out of a country driveway.

Some people just dont realise how much trouble they can get themselves in to.

Like Jim2 said, keep yourself safe, let other people ruin their own lives. If this means pulling over for a minute to let some big-headed dick past then do so - it's better to take a break and then get back into it knowing they wont be going past again.

[James Deuce]

I DO understand the sentiment and intent.

However I don't agree with gazing at the scenery when riding. That's possibly a more dangerous use of processing power than riding at speed in traffic.

Nor do I think that the message will hit the intended audience. In my experience mentoring only provides the mentored with the skills to ride even further outside their comfort zone. I am at a loss as to how we provide young folk with the mental strength to ignore peer pressure and develop self-awareness to the point where they are aware and unashamed of their personal limitations.

[snuffles]

I thought the whole purpose of this site was to allow people to express their own views......if we start dicatating the content of peoples veiws, where will it end.

[outlawtorn]

Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.
I don't think anyone is being told how to live their lives here, it seems more like ride how you want to ride, just don't ride like a fucking prick. Ride fast, ride slow, who cares, just do not endanger the people around you, be they on bikes, in cars or pedestrians.

[madboy]

...just don't ride like a fucking prick...I agree. It's the definition of "f***ing prick" that differs. My view, Jim's view, Nod's view, your view and others views will probably have similar content but different overall outcomes. Is a wheelie being a prick? What about if that wheelie is done in view of other cars? What about if one of those cars has young impressionable children watching? Or worse - teenage children who might be looking at buying their first bike?

[SPman]

I cant see why they need to go that fast.... they are missing so much of the lovely countryside...

Ever tried cruising and looking at the countryside on a GSXR1000? Whilst it can be done, it's not its raison detre! Absorbing the countryside, yes. (sodding midges outside cowsheds, butterflies.....)

[Ixion]

It's Mabel's definition of "F***ing prick" that matters. Cos if *she* thinks you're being a "f***ing prick" she's on the cell to *555. Which eventually means trouble for everyone.

Can't avoid a bit of that (well, only by not speeding!) , but we *need* for our own sakes to keep it to a minimum. If you want to pull wheelies, fine, but wait until Mabel isn't in sight, or at least is far enough away that she isn't going to feel intimidated by it.

By and large the police turn a bit of a blind eye to bikers doing "naughty things". So long as it's done with discretion. If some "f***ing prick" goes and gets the natives all riled up, that blind eye gets opened, and that spoils things for all of us. Including me. And that pisses me off.

F'Heaven's sake, it's not rocket science. You (hypothetical you, not you you) can see the other traffic on the road. You can tell by the look of the driver and the vehicle if they're likely to be scared by having someone blast past at hyper speed. The dude in the XR-8 ? No probs. The old lady in the Corolla. Yep, ease it back , give her a moment to realise you're there before passing. And give her a bit of space, it scares her when she sees you 6 inches from her window.

It's just a matter of consideration for others.

[madboy]

The dude in the XR-8 ? No probs. The old lady in the Corolla. Yep, ease it back The dude int he XR8, f***ing cane it past cos he ain't gonna like no punk ass bitch on a bike out on HIS road, aye Shazza? And get the hell outta dodge too, cos he's gonna wanna piece of your ass for passing him.

And the old lady in the Corolla? Who cares, she can't see the truck in front of her, let alone the young ruffian on the motorcycle that passed her. And boy was he flying. He must have been doing at least 120. I feel sorry for his mother when the policeman has to come and tell her he was killed in an accident, because if he keeps riding that way he surely will be.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nor do I think that the message will hit the intended audience. In my experience mentoring only provides the mentored with the skills to ride even further outside their comfort zone. I am at a loss as to how we provide young folk with the mental strength to ignore peer pressure and develop self-awareness to the point where they are aware and unashamed of their personal limitations.

Speaking for myself only, if you live long enough you develop it personally. "Growing the hell up" I understand its called.

Since I am unlikely to be offered a Motogp ride for next season, I figure I will go at a pace that gives me my jollies.... screw anybody else.

One of the reasons I like to ride by myself.

[ManDownUnder]

Nod - hear ya, but suspect Auckland's not the only region blighted with two wheeled carnage looking for somewhere to happen.

If they want to play and they're a threat I just stop and let 'em go for 5 mins. Takes the wind out of their sales ("what - you don't wanna play???"), clears the road for you and gives you a game of catch up if you feel like it (which REALLY pisses them off if you actually do catch them).

You have the considerable disadvantage of being a wearer of blue as well, so any incidents you ever got involved with would be slammed by those issuing fines (i.e. the courts). Ask Speedy...

5c poorer, but happy all the same.
MDU

[Motu]

I'm with Ixion (as per usual) I used to love SH16,SH22 and the Kaiawa loop,been doing them all since the '70's.But the last few years (3 or 4) the sprotbikes seem to have found them (possibly because of this site) and I seldom go on these roads now,just to get to other places to ride.I see packs of bikes totaly monstering cars off the road,they seem to have a total disregard for other road users.Tough,they are only cages....yeah but there are people in there,maybe our very own Andy Knackersack being shown around some of these trouble spots where the bikes are crashing....

I'm with Jim2,too - I don't really care how you ride...but it worries me that my freedom may be curtailed because others don't give a shit.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm with Ixion (as per usual) I'm with Jim2,too - So am I somewhat predictably....


I don't really care how you ride...but it worries me that my freedom may be curtailed because others don't give a shit.

Now that sums it up for me...

I toot and wave but try to go the other way from other riders unless it's a classic club run. People are happy to see an old chuffer on the road having fun and will stop and yarn and we have a jolly old time but not one member of the public type person has ever talked to me on a group ride with spout bikes except to tell me off... (why they pick on me I cannot imagine)

[The_Dover]

(why they pick on me I cannot imagine)

Must be the guzzi...

[Paul in NZ]

Must be the guzzi...

Could be! They have a certain attraction to slack jawed mouth breathing kitten jugglers renown of having disgusting habits involving ferrets, latex wearing dwarves of unsavoury temprement and margarine...

However that usually repulses people...

Nope, in a crowd, the average nutter will single me out at a hundred paces and thrust their american express or greenpeace membership forms into my face and demand (with menace) a signature or agreement. I guess I'm just approachable..

[pritch]

Ride fast, ride slow, who cares, just do not endanger the people around you

Somebody here used to have a signature line that said words to the effect that, anybody driving slower than you is stupid, anybody driving faster than you is an idiot. Which as it happens, is actually a very common attitude.

I generally ride so as to keep space around me to allow for the unexpected.
People who remove that space unnecessarily tend to piss me off.

I've seen comments on here that we should watch our mirrors. Bullshit! Why would anyone be looking in their mirror as they enter a corner at speed? The attention should be focussed up the road.

IMNSHO the people who endanger others are the genuine idiots.

[mikey]

Nor do I think that the message will hit the intended audience. In my experience mentoring only provides the mentored with the skills to ride even further outside their comfort zone. I am at a loss as to how we provide young folk with the mental strength to ignore peer pressure and develop self-awareness to the point where they are aware and unashamed of their personal limitations.

what limitations jim?

first few minutes of riding a bike i wouldnt lean it round a corner, next few i tried leangin a bit, went well, tried leaning some more, going bit faster, went well, just kept trying, its how you learn. go to fast into a corner in the rain on bald tyres you go into a wall/car/paddock/cliff/off the cliff, common sense doesnt always work though, but you learn from your mistakes, even if not conciously your sub concious should stop you doing the same thing again, if you can work out why you crashed that is

sure i crash some learning but im stil alive an a little bit faster and safer? than the day i first rode a bike, im stil learning, or half the time i go out anyway.

racing/riding/riding faster/talking is how you learn, not from magazines or books, an following your dad up the takas on his rf900......

[Lou Girardin]

I saw some things on Sunday that I thought was stupid. No doubt someone thought what I did was equally stupid.
Horses for courses really.
Nothing will stop the real idiots, except for death or old age.

[Marmoot]

NOW with our import drivers, tractors,born again losers,politicans with draconian laws,etc, do I have to give up on jaffaland and play on greener pastures??

Putting someone so full of biased and prejudiced opinions in a position with power over other people looks quite similar to putting a monkey inside a jetfighter...... :mellow:

[The_Dover]

Now that would be cool.

A monkey in an F16. Just like that film with Matthew Broderick.....

[mstriumph]

Somebody here used to have a signature line that said words to the effect that, anybody driving slower than you is stupid, anybody driving faster than you is an idiot. ......................

that was Zadok from West Aus. - think he still uses it?

[mstriumph]

Could be! They have a certain attraction to slack jawed mouth breathing kitten jugglers renown of having disgusting habits involving ferrets, latex wearing dwarves of unsavoury temprement and margarine...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[badlieutenant]

Its a shame but sh16 was never going to remain the reasonably free of trafic fun road it has been for many years.
All you have to do is look at the number of new houses been built out there.
Its a bummer but everything changes and there will always be dickheads who if they are lucky live long enough to be able to say that they used to be a complete nob untill they grew up and then vent their frustration at the new lot of dickheads coming thru.
only difference is there are more of them on roads with more of everything else driving on them too.
I wonder how long before the roads out the back of dargaville have the same problem (not including the loopy season)

[Motu]

Yes,the old farts always had it better in their day,it's the way of the world.SH16's problem is that now Transhit want it an alternate route north,and that's rooted it.As someone who rides the backroads,it's surprising how quickly they are ''discovered'' by those who like to go fast once they are sealed - on another thread there is a warning about cops targeting Woodcocks Rd,which crosses between SH1 and SH16.....if you wanted to sift thousands of posts you might find me mentioning how there was less gravel on Woodcocks and they'll soon have another road to ride....a matter of months and the cops have it marked.The lower SH22 to Te Uku will be the same once it's sealed - what was once avoided like the plague will become a race track....and guess who will come to watch.....

[DEATH_INC.]

On this subject motu, I'll bring up something that's been on my mind lately, the coro loop. Every weekend there seems to be a ride around it, guys it's only a matter of time before nodmans henchmen start to take notice.....there's alot of other(non-bikers) people using those roads....try to hook up with others rides and not hammer it every weekend... and yes I know it's not just us, but we can help.

[Lord Derosso]

Iam also looking forward to getting back into both coastal tours. All of my friends killed were actually riding in cities off highways at the time so its my belief its safer on the open road where you tend to have more sight, control and time to do the things needed to survive. If younger/new bikers do intend to do the East or West coast rides all the way down south my advice is to watch out as these are rural type areas and you may encounter new conditions such as livestock. Just be more aware or prepared of whats coming up. You learn from experience and can pass this on as you go. And by the way.. do take the time also to stop and enjoy our country and take pictures for your albums. Riding is about experiencing new things and having fun and you cant do this if you just want to get from A to B in a hurry.

[Lord Derosso]

PS... Could someone enlight us Southerners re the Coro ride. I presume its a round trip around the Coromandel and back up the East coast and back?
I went up thorough the entire East Coast some years ago and intended to check out the Coromandel but got caught in a huge summer storm so rode straight through to a mates place in Auckland instead. Great trip from Gisborne all the way around though. amazing scenery.

[igor]

On this subject motu, I'll bring up something that's been on my mind lately, the coro loop. Every weekend there seems to be a ride around it, guys it's only a matter of time before nodmans henchmen start to take notice.....there's alot of other(non-bikers) people using those roads....try to hook up with others rides and not hammer it every weekend... and yes I know it's not just us, but we can help.

nah the cops won't go up there. to hard to enforce, not enuf traffic flow and to hard to set up and capture and need more than 1 staff member.

and really how many places can ya do big numbers.

easier pickings on SH27

I still wonder why they ant set up on Wharepapa sth road towards mangakino. sam thing. ya get some goods speeds along there but not enuf traffic flow, cops will fall asleep waiting between speeders

[MSTRS]

PS... Could someone enlight us Southerners re the Coro ride. I presume its a round trip around the Coromandel and back up the East coast and back?
I went up thorough the entire East Coast some years ago and intended to check out the Coromandel but got caught in a huge summer storm so rode straight through to a mates place in Auckland instead. Great trip from Gisborne all the way around though. amazing scenery.
Coro loop is...Thames, then up the west side of the peninsula, across to the east side and down to Whitianga?, then back across to Thames. Well, basically anyway.

[Madness]

I still wonder why they ant set up on Wharepapa sth road towards mangakino.


Sssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!
That's enough of that talk thank you very much.

[Motu]

On this subject motu, I'll bring up something that's been on my mind lately, the coro loop. Every weekend there seems to be a ride around it, guys it's only a matter of time before nodmans henchmen start to take notice.....there's alot of other(non-bikers) people using those roads....try to hook up with others rides and not hammer it every weekend... and yes I know it's not just us, but we can help.

And it's not that long ago that the loop was sealed - when I bought my XLV750 in 1999 at Whitianga I test rode it on the gravel roads,a year or two later and it was sealed - now it's a Meca for a fast ride.Before that if you went to the Coromandel you were going to have to go on gravel or turn around.I'm pretty sure if you talked to a local on these roads they'll have something to say about the increased traffic and the higher speed.

When I was on Waiheke Island I used to have to travel over a steep and twisty gravel road to get out of our place,it was part of the old TT course.As well as riding and driving on it of course,I used to like to walk to work if possible,it was only 3 km.I could walk the 2.5 km along Seaview Rd without seeing a single car morning or afternoon,it was a realy nice walk,bush and fantastic views.When they sealed the road I stopped walking as there were so many cars on the narrow road it was dangerous for a pedestrian.Sealing brings increased traffic,higher speeds and more accidents - not safer at all!

[MSTRS]

Sssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!
That's enough of that talk thank you very much.
Gently. Not done to upset the resident Igor. Who do you think keeps us in (mostly) limbs and stuff?

[MSTRS]

Sealing brings increased traffic,higher speeds and more accidents - not safer at all!
One of the major arguments being used on the Wairoa to Waikeremoana road. The districts towies & ambos want the gravel to stay.

[Ixion]

Well, the Coro loop issue is easily solved. Just vary the route a bit. Use Road 309 to Coroglen instead of the present route. Sorted :whistle:

[Ixion]

,,Sealing brings increased traffic,higher speeds and more accidents - not safer at all!

More to the point, it also brings out the bunnies. The bumblers who would never venture on a gravel road , but once it's sealed they think it's fine.

'Twas the ruination of the Coromandel when they sealed the road to Tapu.

I hate the way they are obsessively sealing roads.

[DEATH_INC.]

And it's not that long ago that the loop was sealed - when I bought my XLV750 in 1999 at Whitianga I test rode it on the gravel roads,a year or two later and it was sealed - now it's a Meca for a fast ride.Before that if you went to the Coromandel you were going to have to go on gravel or turn around.
Yeah, the first time I did it there was still a small patch of gravel (I think about 2001 or so) and almost no traffic.

[willy_01]

I reckon a biker can go as fast as they want, we all know the l risks, we have to otherwise we wouldn’t pass our license. Like someone else said it gets a bit annoying always getting told how to live.

The best thing is for a newbie rider (on a 250cc bike) to have a good crash, believe me it works as a speed limiter, and for those who keep pushing it way too far, well nature will sort them out eventually.

As for getting angry about other bikers attracting police, you have to be doing something wrong in the first place to be put at an inconvenience ie getting a ticket. You know the speed limit is 109 (bar around schools) on the open road, it is your choice to break the limit thus you must be prepared to get pinged if you get busted

take some responsibility people, do what you want to do but don’t have a cry when it goes pear shaped. Remember when it comes to road rules and bikes innocence is only a matter of timing!

[Pathos]

I reckon a biker can go as fast as they want, we all know the l risks...

I think the problem is not that people don't know the risks and chose to break them its that they force those risks on others by doing shit like over taking them on the inside of corners at the speed of light.

I always keep around 20-30m between me and other bikers on the open road. If i bump into a car i'll scratch the paint work but if I hit a bike that biker doesn't deserve to have to pay for my mistake.

The only time I wouldn't do this if I have a much bigger bike and they are slowing me down and I can safely pass on a clear straight. but thats a while away :/

[scracha]

You know, being lectured about being safe is starting to get tiresome. One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.
<snip>
Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.

Yeahbut yeahbut there's some real dickheads out there. Essentially we've got to police our own riding otherwise the fascist cagers out there will do it for us.

The difference between fast and stupid riding is obvious....stuff like overtaking around blind bends and not leaving any margin for error on public roads is just stupid.

As previously said, if they want to go that banzai then do it on trackdays. By no means do I stick to the speed limit but then again, by no means do I come anywhere near my bike's capabilities on public roads.

Last week going up to Whangamata I nearly took out some arsehole on an R1 overtaking around a blind bend (him not me).

It's happening too often. Respect other road users I say.

[Qkchk]

On this subject motu, I'll bring up something that's been on my mind lately, the coro loop. Every weekend there seems to be a ride around it, guys it's only a matter of time before nodmans henchmen start to take notice.....there's alot of other(non-bikers) people using those roads....try to hook up with others rides and not hammer it every weekend... and yes I know it's not just us, but we can help.
Thats what worries me about the Thurs night rides. I try to variate it and take different routes each time but when you have 10+ bikes roaring around on a thurs night, it WILL eventually get peoples' attention (if it hasn't already) take that time we went through Paremoremo rd down to the Albany Pub. The cops turned up cause the residents up the road got 'frizzled' about the noise/amount and speed of the bikes. It's only at matter of time..............:(

[oldguy]

The ride on sunday was a great ride, but at times I wondered about our speeds, you take 50 or 60 odd bikes travelling at say between 100 to 140k/h their is ma and pa kettle out on a sunday drive just enjoying the country side, then out of the blue a bike zaps passed then another and another and so on .would scare the shit out of ma and pa. It doesn't look good for us maybe the first bike was ok but 50 or so of us, too them we were riding dangerously same with going through small towns, not slowing down to the recommened speed it maybe a one horse town but people do live there, we are not the only road users, not a very good image for motorcycling if someone complains about it.
P.S. this didn't happen on sunday just used it as an eg.
I'm not saying slow down but be aware of whos around you or were you are, your cockup can ruin it for others

[cowpoos]

tsk tsk.....bloody orchlanders.....I dunno.....you lot are just crazy speedsters....using the road like a race track....

[Swoop]

Its a shame but sh16 was never going to remain the reasonably free of trafic fun road it has been for many years.
All you have to do is look at the number of new houses been built out there.
Also the fact that transit promote the road as an alternative route to SH1 on long weekends. More drivers becoming aware of that route and using it more regularly...

[Motu]

Also why Woodcocks Rd was sealed,it gives a bleed off to SH16 incase of a major blockage (accident) on SH1.

[SwanTiger]

Auckland sucks.

Time to think about moving to someplace where the roads, people and local councils are better.

[Str8 Jacket]

Auckland sucks.

Time to think about moving to someplace where the roads, people and local councils are better.

Dunno about the council (they all have there good and bad points IMO) but having lived in both Auck and Wgtn for the same amount of time I'd rate Wgtn over Auckland any day. Come to Wgtn, theres some crazy people here but there all harmless, kinda. :wait:

[SwanTiger]

Dunno about the council (they all have there good and bad points IMO) but having lived in both Auck and Wgtn for the same amount of time I'd rate Wgtn over Auckland any day. Come to Wgtn, theres some crazy people here but there all harmless, kinda. :wait:

Nah you lot seem too arty farty down there. And I don't like riding in wind.

[Str8 Jacket]

Nah you lot seem too arty farty down there. And I don't like riding in wind.

farting is a specialty of mine actually....
Arrgh dont mention the wind, Ive been literally blown of the road before. You do get used to it though, I like to think of it as a "special" skill that I have acquired...

[SwanTiger]

farting is a specialty of mine actually....
Arrgh dont mention the wind, Ive been literally blown of the road before. You do get used to it though, I like to think of it as a "special" skill that I have acquired...

What are the townships like further north of Wellington?

I forget the name of it but there is a small coastal township north west of Wellington that starts with "P" I think.

[Str8 Jacket]

What are the townships like further north of Wellington?

I forget the name of it but there is a small coastal township north west of Wellington that starts with "P" I think.

There are a few, you may be thinking of Paraparaumu? There are beaches everywhere in Wgtn and it doesnt take forever to get to them either. Though in saying this I am used to beaches like Coromandel and Ohope, Mt Maunganui where you can actually surf unlike most of Wgtn's beaches that resemble lakes...

[John]

this is the like 500086786767billionth one of these threads, your all a great responsible bunch that respects everyone on the roads your saints - just dont ride near or around me you make me want to be sick.

[KATWYN]

Nodman
The last thing that I want to see is that hairbrain rider that has just zapped past me lying in a ditch just up the road badly injuried cos he/she didnt make that next corner at the fast speed that he/she is going at.

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I know what you mean. I had exactly the above happen a few years ago when I was a learner (the rider survived thank goodness).

Those dangerous riders are a menace to us twice.

They forget the fact that not only do they nearly wipe us out as they pass us on a corner but they also subject us to their messy accident as a result of their dangerous riding (by not making it around the next corner) soon after. it also nearly put me off motorcycling - up until then I always thought it was only cars and planes that need to carry sick bags :sick:

[KATWYN]

just dont ride near or around me you make me want to be sick.

No John, the rest of us have got stronger stomaches than you, because we are the ones that come across the likes of you messed up around the next corner - you are obviously one of those menaces everyone is talking about by the sounds of your attitude to riding

[Finn]

Auckland sucks.

Time to think about moving to someplace where the roads, people and local councils are better.

You'll have to have a passport for that.

[kevie]

You know, being lectured about being safe is starting to get tiresome. One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.

People crash and die and that is sad, but what I am seeing in increasing measure on KB is a response to the brainwashing about the speed kills message and I don't like the direction it is taking.

Take responsibility for yourselves and stop telling other people how to live their lives.


I dont tell people how they should ride .... and if theyre dangerous ... I just use the ole *555 followed up by the written report .... and YES ... I do dob in motorcyclists that are dangerous!! and then I leave it to someone else :Police: tell them how they should ride/drive and maybe need to walk for the next couple months.

Get with it matey .... the convo wasnt just about people speeding on bikes ... it was about them doing it in a DANGEROUS way...were talking about lowering the death/injury rate .. this stops the escalating costs to us that want to be able to enjoy our weekend rides. And we would like to be seen as 'motorists' and not "another hoon biker". Any rider that hoons it is not only NOT thinking about their own safety, but also giving NO thought to the other road users, property or to their loved ones that will have to sit by your hospital bed for maybe months, push you round in a wheelchair for the rest of you life cos you have no legs and a serious head injury or maybe even have to settle your estate and arrange the funeral .... oh and have you ever had to ring all the rellies and friends and been the one to tell them someone close is now dead ????? I have been there .... its not nice!

I dont believe totally the "speed Kills" advertising ... I think 120-130km/h is safe on NZ roads .... but it becomes a problem when people get arrogant and do it in an unsafe manner. I spent several years with the ambulance service and yes ...speed DOES contribute to the seriousness of the injuries but thats not what CAUSES the injuries or death... its STUPIDITY.

One of my thoughts is .,... and I drive my rig the same way >>>> "if I have to take emergency, evasive action ....... can I do it safely and not destabalize things in the process".


:Offtopic:

[pritch]

One of the major arguments being used on the Wairoa to Waikeremoana road. The districts towies & ambos want the gravel to stay.

Yeah I first heard about that one some thirty years ago. The Government announced funding was available, the locals said, "No thanks!"

Most of the people in the area apparently want to keep the gravel. They definitely don't want another Taupo. I think that some of the best "wild" places should only have metalled access. That alone would keep a lot of f/wits away.

Mind you if they sealed the whole road through the Ureweras?
It's an ill wind....

[James Deuce]

I can't read

You get with it, and try and up your reading comprehension a little.

Seems to be a skill that a huge host of KBers lack.

Read it. Then apologise for the patronising comment.

I'll repeat my message: I agree with Nodman. Ride your own ride and stop lecturing other people about how they should do it.

As for the comments about inury and death - Do you know me? No. On the one hand people rave on about freedom of speech, and on the other they demand that everybody else conform to their vision of freedom.

You dob in motorcyclists to *555? Well thanks very much for contributing to the anti-motorcycling sentiment at Police HQ, and anti-motorcycling stats in the LTNZ database. A quiet word would suffice, at the next petrol stationm IF you really must get involved.

[Lou Girardin]

I dont tell people how they should ride .... and if theyre dangerous ... I just use the ole *555 followed up by the written report .... and YES ... I do dob in motorcyclists that are dangerous!! and then I leave it to someone else :Police: tell them how they should ride/drive and maybe need to walk for the next couple months.


Dobbing in other bikers is beyond the pale. I wouldn't unless they did something that directly endangers me and even then I'd think long and hard about it.

[mikey]

I dont tell people how they should ride .... and if theyre dangerous ... I just use the ole *555 followed up by the written report .... and YES ... I do dob in motorcyclists that are dangerous!! and then I leave it to someone else :Police: tell them how they should ride/drive and maybe need to walk for the next couple month
awesome man, if i knew where marton was i'd keep my eyes open for an old shitter jap cruiser an make sure i wheelied past everyone i saw, an "pat" the rider on the head as i went past to,

you shouldn set police onto people, see, its reverse psychology, to a dangerously stupidly fast adrenaline seeking lunatic on wheels the police are another buzz to deal with, dont let them have the satisfaction eh old man, think of it as you winning by not gettign upset.

cheers yo, keep your hand off that *555 button!

[Patrick]

Nah you lot seem too arty farty down there. And I don't like riding in wind.

You talking farty wind? Who would like riding in that???

[Patrick]

farting is a specialty of mine actually....
Arrgh dont mention the wind, Ive been literally blown of the road before. I like to think of it as a "special" skill that I have acquired...

Never heard of a fart blowing anyone off the road before... :gob: Man, Welly must smell like Rottenrua...

[Str8 Jacket]

Never heard of a fart blowing anyone off the road before... :gob: Man, Welly must smell like Rottenrua...

LMAO! I spent 15 years in Rotovegas, never used to notice the smell until I left and went back once... I never realised how much it really does stink like rotten eggs! :sick:

[Pixie]

I'm with Ixion (as per usual) I used to love SH16,SH22 and the Kaiawa loop,been doing them all since the '70's.But the last few years (3 or 4) the sprotbikes seem to have found them (possibly because of this site) and I seldom go on these roads now,just to get to other places to ride.I see packs of bikes totaly monstering cars off the road,they seem to have a total disregard for other road users.Tough,they are only cages....yeah but there are people in there,maybe our very own Andy Knackersack being shown around some of these trouble spots where the bikes are crashing....

I'm with Jim2,too - I don't really care how you ride...but it worries me that my freedom may be curtailed because others don't give a shit.
SH 16 is still heaven on a week day.
It's why I live here

[Pixie]

Also the fact that transit promote the road as an alternative route to SH1 on long weekends. More drivers becoming aware of that route and using it more regularly...
Actually the traffic numbers are fairly constant and actually drop sometimes.
When the motorway to puhoi opens 16 will be even quieter the average driver is too lazy to go out of their way and ,also,considers a good road is a straight road.

[buellbabe]

bla bla.....One person's safe is another person's bored shitless.


Yep I tend to agree. As far as I am concerned just ride ya own ride and do ya own thing BUT show some consideration to other road users, bikes AND cars.
If I am riding in a group and wanna go faster I will sit behind the slower bike to let them know I'm there (not tailgating) and then overtake giving them plenty of room... I'm still enjoying the scenery, just doing it at my own pace!
Just get out there and have fun... no need to be an idiot.:ride:

[John]

congratulations, as long as I am not around to here you guys moaning about how sensible you are and how "good and safe" you are then I will be fucken happy.
You guys must have all voted clarky.

Oh and ask anyone that I ride with how shit I am at riding the 6, I suck I go slow I cant keep up and all that so dont know what your on about maybe you need to go ride your bike next weekend (as long as its not raining - and there is lots of lattes and crap for you to feed on)

[jonbuoy]

Overtaking on blind bends is unacceptable period, no matter if your on a moped or driving a truck, its stupid selfish and dangerous.

We all have our moments of stupidity when the red mist decends I'm sure. If someone wants to be passed or ride like a madman - just move over and let them past and be done with it. I'm guessing where he overtook on the straight it turned into a bit of a drag race?

[SwanTiger]

Oh and ask anyone that I ride with how shit I am at riding the 6, I suck I go slow I cant keep up and all that so dont know what your on about maybe you need to go ride your bike next weekend (as long as its not raining - and there is lots of lattes and crap for you to feed on)

John isn't talking shit.

I overtook him on my Hyosung so it says a lot about his riding on the ZX6R at the moment. :nya:

[cowpoos]

lunicy is a odd one.....who decides who is a lunitic?....who decides who is dangerous?

someone can be flying along at 180kmph through some fast open sweepers thinking they're fuckin going for it....next thing another bike will come blazing by leaving a trail of fire on the road in its wake...dissappearing of into the distance....theres no way rider one is gunna beable to comprehend how this could hav happened really....the second riders obviously danergous!!....right on the edge of crashing!!....he'll even swear on his life that that dangerous rider was on the wrong side of the road or almost in the grass.....and he'll whing about it to everyone that listens at the pub that night...

when reality has it....that the second rider has a greater perception of speed than the first rider....he can see space and room....lines....braking points...everything critical from a rapid riders point of veiw...he can see all those things alot faster than the first rider....that dosn't make him some dumbshit dangerous fuck hole....it makes him a skilled rider at high speeds....

I think most you fellas are just bloody jealous at others skills....other wise why would you care...honestly...do u care about soliders going off to battle? after all its their own risks they are taking with there own lives ain't it? they hav obvious skills that will likely increase there chances of survival? do they not?

or is this just an argument about who's right and who's wrong?
we all have different perceptions of things now don't we?

[Paul in NZ]

or is this just an argument about who's right and who's wrong?
we all have different perceptions of things now don't we?

Nope - this is an argument about how people breaking the law will bring unwanted attention to other people who are not quite so obviously into breaking the law.

[Ixion]

Got it in one. Beautifully succinct.

[Motu]

Discrete misbehaviour - the most important lesson I learned in school,was that if I sat not too far away,and not too close to the teacher,and didn't make any sudden moves...like putting my hand up - was that I could do my homework for the next period while all the naughty kids were marched out for a caning.Too many people just have to be noticed...and they get the attention they desire....just so long as no one looks too closely at me....

[Edbear]

I think Kevie has a point. He says he dobs in those he considers dangerous, (as different from merely speeding, Kevie?) and I do the same to car drivers, but I realised I haven't dobbed in bikers for idiot behaviour. Not sure why, never thought about it. Of course those who engage in dangerous riding no doubt do not consider it to be so, just as incompetent car drivers do not consider themselves incompetent, either. It's all about perceptions, and as road users in public, we need to be aware of how other road users perceive our riding/driving. Many motorists have and use cellphones these days, and if we want the public to accept biking as a legitimate and enjoyable means of transport and recreation, we should be considerate of those we share the road with, both fellow bikers and cars. I've said several times that there are places and times we can "stretch our legs" in relative obscurity, though of course if one really wants to have a full-on blast, a track day is the only proper option. I've heard they're a real buzz, so one day I may try one.:rockon:

[cowpoos]

Nope - this is an argument about how people breaking the law will bring unwanted attention to other people who are not quite so obviously into breaking the law.
I don't believe it is....I think thats how it may have intended to start but its not really the full topic now....

[Paul in NZ]

I don't believe it is....I think thats how it may have intended to start but its not really the full topic now....

Still the topic, it's just all the attention seekers are still at it.. 'Look at meeeeee' I'm faaaaassssttt and your not hahahaha oh - bonk - ouch '

[kevie]

I think Kevie has a point. He says he dobs in those he considers dangerous, (as different from merely speeding, Kevie?) and I do the same to car drivers, but I realised I haven't dobbed in bikers for idiot behaviour. Not sure why, never thought about it. Of course those who engage in dangerous riding no doubt do not consider it to be so, just as incompetent car drivers do not consider themselves incompetent, either. It's all about perceptions, and as road users in public, we need to be aware of how other road users perceive our riding/driving. Many motorists have and use cellphones these days, and if we want the public to accept biking as a legitimate and enjoyable means of transport and recreation, we should be considerate of those we share the road with, both fellow bikers and cars. I've said several times that there are places and times we can "stretch our legs" in relative obscurity, though of course if one really wants to have a full-on blast, a track day is the only proper option. I've heard they're a real buzz, so one day I may try one.:rockon:

Thank you kind sir.......Youre onto it....I DONT dob in every vehicle that does something wrong, I drive a 20 metre rig and get passed a lot on corners and yellow lines but dont dob ALL of them in, just the ones that have a near miss doing it and endanger others lives. (and before you comment on truckies that dont make way for cars ... I move over when I can and indicate to tell vehicles its safe to go)

If they wanna kill themselves thats fine with me as long as they dont scratch my $$half million Scania :yes:

I dont disaprove of speed, as I said ... NZ roads are safe at reasonable speeds, I said its unsafe when done in a dangerous fashion. Ive been out riding and got up to 160km/h on a good strait backroad trying my bike out one day, but normally im the one at the back of a bike run going 100km/h cos I like to enjoy a ride and see the scenery.

[John]

John isn't talking shit.

I overtook him on my Hyosung so it says a lot about his riding on the ZX6R at the moment. :nya:
I WAS PULLING OVER!

AND IT WAS A 50K ZONE RETARD

[kevie]

Dobbing in other bikers is beyond the pale. I wouldn't unless they did something that directly endangers me and even then I'd think long and hard about it.


I do IF THEY DO SOMETHING REALLY DANGEROUS AND STUPID .... and I know that a lot of passing moves on a motorcycle looks dangerous but is actually ok... so I weight up every situation with all bad driving I see eg: I have been passed 19 times on yellow lines and 5 times on blind corners in 4 weeks, out of those 24 times, I *555'd 4 of them so I think im pretty fair in who I 'dob in'

BUT ....bottom line is ... we ARE road users, comming under the road laws AND we have a bad image already as bikers ... truckers are the same... many hate trucks... so we as a 'class' of motorists need to be aware of the preconcieved ideas and ride in a way that will change that perception of us as motorcyclists.

Im proud to be a biker, proud to be in KB and in the local motorcycle club.

But why close our eyes when another road user does something that is really dangerous and risks our ACC levy and our image as bikers?

If trying to keep the roads (MY WORKPLACE!) safer is a crime to you guys ... then yeh ....shoot me .... :whocares:

[kevie]

awesome man, if i knew where marton was i'd keep my eyes open for an old shitter jap cruiser an make sure i wheelied past everyone i saw, an "pat" the rider on the head as i went past too


:rockon: HAHAHAHAHA:rofl:


You would have to slow down a lot to get to slap this old coots head........ you'd be past me so fast you wouldnt have time to do it :rofl:

Oh and Marton is that lost place just off SH1 12 km north of Bulls

if you pass through ... dont blink, you will miss it.... actually you willl miss this old slow coot too if you blink :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Actually .....come to think of it ....does Marton have any streets long enough to pull a wheely on :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[SwanTiger]

I WAS PULLING OVER!

AND IT WAS A 50K ZONE RETARD

Lies.

It was a 70kmp/h zone.

I even wheelied past you and gave you a toot with a wave.

[John]

Lies.

It was a 70kmp/h zone.

I even wheelied past you and gave you a toot with a wave.
handbag.... I liked your new lippy its a perfect match xo

[SwanTiger]

handbag.... I liked your new lippy its a perfect match xo

Thanks.

Love you long time xoxoxox

[scracha]

lunicy is a odd one.....who decides who is a lunitic?....who decides who is dangerous?

When someone causes me or other drivers/riders in my line of view to swerve or brake heavily (or as the case the other week, swerve and nearly sh!t myself because their R1 is on my side of the road) then I generally feel that the decision as to whether they're a lunatic is a simple one.



<---snip--->
when reality has it....that the second rider has a greater perception of speed than the first rider....he can see space and room....lines....braking

Agree with out 10% of the post. These are some riders out there who maybe are a bit jealous. On rare ocassions I might even be that "second rider". There's a hell of a lot more of us out there who have enough experience to ascertain whether a rider has a greater perception of speed (I can appreciate a fast rider as much as anyone) or (as is more often the case) whether the rider has absolutely no perception of speed :-(. A blind bend or crest is still a blind bend or crest regardless of a rider's skill or road positioning.

As for braking...don't get me started.....a hell of a lot of riders I see on the local roads wouldn't even have time to squeeze the brake lever they're so far up the arse of the car in front of them. Yet I guess they're the first guys to flip the bird to any car/truck who does the same to them.



I think most you fellas are just bloody jealous at others skills....other wise why would you care...honestly...do u care about soliders going off to battle?
Refer to my earlier post. I care when it attracts the attentions of the fascists running this country in that they might toughen laws relating to my riding enjoyment. I also care a wee bit about the family of these "lunatics" when they find out dad's in a morgue (not to mention the cops, medical stuff, etc involved). You're correct, in all honesty I personally don't give a monkeys about these "skilled second riders".

[scracha]

Lies.

It was a 70kmp/h zone.

I even wheelied past you and gave you a toot with a wave.
Any fule know hyosong wheelie as good as full dress harley ridden by fat 'merrican. :second: Mibby John isn't talking $hit.

[SwanTiger]

Another Liar!

TL Rider has a picture of me pulling a power wheelie at the drags.


Any fule know hyosong wheelie as good as full dress harley ridden by fat 'merrican. :second: Mibby John isn't talking $hit.