11yo pregnant

[sunhuntin]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006210699,00.html

By GAIL CAMERON
and JACQUI THORNTON

A CHAIN-SMOKING schoolgirl told last night how she fell pregnant during a drunken romp — at the age of just 11.
The petite youngster found she was expecting after losing her virginity to a teenager during the boozy one-night stand.
Lighting her third roll-up cigarette and watched by her proud 34-year-old mum, she confessed: “I didn’t think I’d get pregnant because it was my first time.
“But I’m really excited and looking forward to being a mum.”
The girl, who is now 12 but cannot be named for legal reasons, is due to become Britain’s youngest mother when she gives birth next month — four months before her 13th birthday.
She comes from a large family in West Lothian and has an eight-month-old brother who will become an UNCLE before he turns one.
Showing her huge baby bump under a cropped white T-shirt and tiny black mini-skirt, the girl added last night: “I can’t wait to take the baby swimming and out for walks in the pram.
“I think I’ll be able to cope as I’ve had lots of practice looking after my brothers.
“I know how to feed a baby its bottle and I can change nappies.
“But I panic and cry if they’re sick and I don’t like giving them a bath because I’m a bit frightened.
“It’s good to know I’ll have my mum here to help me if I need her.”
The youngster had unprotected sex with a boy of 15 in Edinburgh on a night out with pals last August. The father, who cannot be identified, may face legal action.
The girl feared she might be pregnant and visited a doctor three times for tests, but each proved negative.
Only when she bought a supermarket home-testing kit did the truth emerge.
She said: “When I saw the two blue lines, meaning it was positive, I just started crying.
“I was paranoid about what my mum was going to say and just frightened about being pregnant too.
“I knew straight away that I couldn’t have an abortion because that’s something I don’t believe in.”
The girl eventually begged a female relative to break the shock news to her mum, who had given birth to a boy of her own just days before.
She said: “I was upset and so was my mum, especially as she’d just had my wee brother. I didn’t really talk to her much at the time, either, so that made things even harder.
“We had a big argument and I ended up locking myself in my room then running away to a friend’s.
“It was really hard, but it’s brought me and my mum closer, which is good.”
The girl’s mother immediately pledged to support her daughter, regardless of what she chose to do with her baby.
The dark-haired youngster said: “My mum’s been great. I knew she’d stand by me no matter what, but I told her straight away I was keeping the baby.
“The social worker suggested I got rid of it or gave it away after it was born, but I’d NEVER do that.”
The girl, who is in only her first year of secondary school, lives in a council flat and began smoking when she was nine.
She still puffs up to 20 ciggies a day, despite being eight months pregnant.
Yesterday she told how she took up drinking at just ten — sometimes downing a potent cocktail of Buckfast and vodka on nights out.
She said: “I can give up smoking at any time, but I don’t find it affects my pregnancy. I also don’t drink any more.”
The girl has excitedly been converting into a nursery the bedroom she currently shares with her sister.
She has hand-picked rolls of lilac wallpaper covered with pink, purple and silver hearts.
Her most cherished possession — a cuddly teddy bought by her dad — still takes pride of place there.
Stacked against the walls are boxes full of baby goods, including a pram.
The mum-to-be, who is hoping for a boy, went on: “I’m keeping well now that my morning sickness has passed — but I’m worried about getting stretch marks.
“My tummy has got so big I mostly have to wear stretchy clothes. But I still squeeze into my jeans. I love them too much to stop wearing them.”
The girl's parents, who split up several years ago, have vowed to stand by her all the way.
She said: “My mum has come to both my scans with me, which were amazing.
“The first time all I could see was a heartbeat, but then I had a scan at 12 weeks and fell in love with my baby straight away.
“You could see its head and body. It was brilliant.
“I’d like a wee boy as girls are too crabby. I’m not sure what I’ll call him, but I like the name Leo.”
The mum-to-be has quit school after a string of exclusions for fighting with fellow pupils and says she doesn’t want to go back.
She now takes part in an outreach programme, receiving lessons at a local community centre. But she admitted: “I know I’ll have to face school again eventually.
“I haven’t had a hard time from anybody about the baby yet, but I think a lot of the older pupils will slag me off when I go back.
“My mum has said she will look after the baby so I can go to school.
“I don’t know what I want to do with my life when I leave. I used to want to be a nursery nurse, but now I’m not so sure.”
She added: “I’m enjoying being pregnant — even though I get a bit of a sore back and sore ribs.
“I like feeling the baby kicking, but the first time it moved I got a massive fright. I didn’t know what was happening till my mum explained it to me.”
Last night her mum insisted she is looking forward to becoming a gran.
She said: “I’m not ashamed of my daughter at all — in fact, I’m proud of her for keeping her baby.
“I know she’s worried what other people will say. but she can walk out there with her head held high.
“She’s grown up a lot in the last few months.
“At first I wasn’t too happy about becoming a gran. But now I’m used to the idea, I’m really looking forward to having another baby about the house.
“I know she’s scared of going into labour and it’s even given her nightmares — but I’ll be there to hold her hand. She’s still my little girl and we’ll get through this together.”
Britain’s current youngest mum is Dorset-born Jenny Teague, who gave birth at 12 years and nine months in 1997 — also after a one-night stand.
The Sun told this week how a girl of 11 gave birth to a boy in Uxbridge, West London. A man of 37 was arrested and freed on bail.
Both were thought to be visiting the UK from Africa.

[Colapop]

That's messed up. How could that stupid parent let that happen to her own daughter? The kid is out drinking, smoking and having sex - shit she's probably not even had her period more than once! F*cking mother should be sterilised and jailed.

[Wellyman]

Stupid stupid thing to happen to happen to an 11yr old.
rember kids: no rubber no hubba hubba (or whatever that stupid ad is)
WM

[onearmedbandit]

I'm speechless, other than to say after speaking to one of the lead staff midwives at Christchurch Womens last week you don't have to look too far to find other examples. She told us also of her personal experience of dealing with girls as young as 11. She said the number of 13-14yr olds was amazing.


On the other hand, Leo is a nice name.

[yungatart]

Sad! Makes me think of that old Elvis song "In the Ghetto". What chance will either of those kids have?

[slimjim]

yes this is true, they are as young as nine year olds, giving oral sex at intermedite school, so at 11 years old, yup as too that other lady say about christchurch,, you blokes that think oo what no way ,, sorry yes way,, and as many from Auckland, hamilton, rotorua, and this is been honest,, no smiles on this reply lad's,, truth doesnt hurt, facts do,,

[Switch]

:no: :nono: :weird: :slap: wrong, wrong, wrong

[Karma]

One word... benefits

[hunt]

That's messed up. How could that stupid parent let that happen to her own daughter? The kid is out drinking, smoking and having sex - shit she's probably not even had her period more than once! F*cking mother should be sterilised and jailed.

Then who would look after the kid and her kid, spent a bit of time in the U.K
there,s a definite class system, a lot of people poorly educated,harsh place if youve got no money,drinking and drug culture would start at a young age especially on the estates (council housing), i do agree with you on the birth control, be another mouth to feed and no xtra cash,

[scumdog]

It's a sad, sad world we live in, the poor kid has no future at this rate.

[Karma]

That's completely wrong scummy old pal...

On a financial note... she'll be better off than most of us.

Rent paid for her, child support, all sorts of stuff... living on benefits isn't anything to be ashamed of these days it seems... it's a career choice.

[scumdog]

But what about the baby? Destined to become a mother when it reaches 11 years old too?

[Karma]

But what about the baby? Destined to become a mother when it reaches 11 years old too?

Well that depends on whether you believe in nature or nurture.

[The Pastor]

wrong on so many levels, and the parents are to blame on this one. FFS It makes me so mad when a parent cant even do the most basic of jobs - keep there damn kids safe, Its unexcusable. They need to be shot - all of them father mother and daughter and her baby and the babys father and his parents.

[jazbug5]

Yeah, it's bloody sad.

But I'm afraid it just isn't that uncommon. The sorts of areas where these kids are growing up came about after whole blocks of the inner cities (like the Gorbals) were relocated to supposedly 'superior' housing while their old tenements were being done up... except they never got back to them. The tenements were now 'desirable', and they were all left to rot in the rat-run housing schemes miles from anywhere.

Now these kids hang around setting up crack/heroin deals in the city, taking people back to Mum & Dad's at the scheme in a cab where Daddy waits with a sawn off. Shit, smoking fags at 9 isn't that big a deal when you look at it in that sort of context!

There was a study done a few years ago which found that there was more inbreeding in housing schemes than in any of the 'traditional' spots in rural areas. F*ck only knows what the answer is, but then the question, sadly, really isn't that new.

[BuFfY]

Oh my god that is so sad! A friend of mine is pregnant... and is 18.. and I thought that was young!

In a way it is good that her parents are supporting her.. but it is horrible in another way because I mean come one! the girl is soooo young and hasn't even had her own childhood and is now responsible for another life.

Taking the teacher point of view... the age I originally wanted to teach was 10-12 year olds... I could not imagine having one of my students fall pregnant! That is just terrible!

[Lou Girardin]

What do people really expect when we have the sexualisation of children by the advertising media.
And you don't have to look far here to see pre-pubescent girls wearing the latest whore chic while mum proudly watches.
You can't have it both ways, they're either children and treated as such or they are kids having kids

[scumdog]

Probably more the environment she lives in Lou but yeah, you have a very valid point - I wonder how a proud mum would feel if she was told "Gee Mrs, your little daughter is dressed like a whore"??:gob:

A bit like the liquor industry marketing thing - and THEY never pick up the pieces!!

15 year old dressed like Madonnas skanky little sister + alco-pop drinks = assaults/vd/pregnancy etc

It's no wonder 84% of my workmates voted that they would prefer the drinking age to be put back to 20.

[jazbug5]

Er.. one thing. Why is it that none of us are mentioning the lad that knocked her up, and his lack of values..?
Should it all be on the head of an 11 year old kid?

[Skyryder]

The real tradgedy is not that a 11 year old is pregnant but that the mother is proud of it.

Might be all the dosh rolling in from media payments


Skyryder

[Lazy7]

could be worse. brittany spears could be pregnant again...

oh wait.:sick:

[scumdog]

The real tradgedy is not that a 11 year old is pregnant but that the mother is proud of it.

Might be all the dosh rolling in from media payments


Skyryder

Jazbugs comment and this one sum up the environment the 11 year old lives in.

They have no idea of 'breaking out', to them this IS how life is.

[WINJA]

The real tradgedy is not that a 11 year old is pregnant but that the mother is proud of it.

Might be all the dosh rolling in from media payments


Skyryder
OR MAYBE SHE IS PROUD , HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER ANY BABY A BLESSING , MY COUSIN GOT A GIRL PREGNANT WHEN THE WERE BOTH ABOUT 14 AND THERE DAUGHTER HAD A KID AT ABOUT THE SAME AGE , THAT MEANS HE WAS A GRANDFATHER AT UNDER 30 YO, TALK TO HIM HES FUCKEN RAPT , HE WORKS HARD HE HAS LOTS OF MONEY AND HE LOOKS AFTER HIS DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILD VERY WELL , AN 11 YO BEING PREGNANT IS NOT IDEAL BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS WILL THEY MAKE IT WORK ,AND WILL THE BABY BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY .
AT LEAST THEY DIDNT GET AN ABORTION AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE CARPET

[Goblin]

What do people really expect when we have the sexualisation of children by the advertising media.
And you don't have to look far here to see pre-pubescent girls wearing the latest whore chic while mum proudly watches.

Yes Lou...we are bombarded with sex in the media every day and people wonder why kids are doing it.

My cousin took her two girls over to Oz for her mother's 60th birthday and all the little cousins got together to put on a performance for the adults. Kim was shocked to see these pre-pubescent girls gyrating and dirty dancing and said the only thing missing was the poles!:gob:

It's so sad these days with sex being the focus of everthing. Sex sells and we teach our children this everyday when they watch telly & read magazines. I am disgusted everytime I see young girls wearing clothes that make them look like mini-hookers and the mothers seem proud of it! No way would I ever let my daughter buy suggestive clothing let alone wear it. I'm thankful everyday that my girl has enough sense to see past media advertising and not follow "Fashion".

This story of the 11 year old and her sad family makes my stomach turn.:sick:
The boy should be charged with being a paedophile. How can anyone screw an 11 year old?:sick:

[Qkchk]

Hmmmm it just doesnt seem right - kids having kids.

[SPORK]

OR MAYBE SHE IS PROUD , HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER ANY BABY A BLESSING , MY COUSIN GOT A GIRL PREGNANT WHEN THE WERE BOTH ABOUT 14 AND THERE DAUGHTER HAD A KID AT ABOUT THE SAME AGE , THAT MEANS HE WAS A GRANDFATHER AT UNDER 30 YO, TALK TO HIM HES FUCKEN RAPT , HE WORKS HARD HE HAS LOTS OF MONEY AND HE LOOKS AFTER HIS DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILD VERY WELL , AN 11 YO BEING PREGNANT IS NOT IDEAL BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS WILL THEY MAKE IT WORK ,AND WILL THE BABY BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY .
AT LEAST THEY DIDNT GET AN ABORTION AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE CARPET
Oh winja, can't you see everyone here is having fun making judgments on people theyve never met!? Shame on you :rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Oh winja, can't you see everyone here is having fun making judgments on people theyve never met!? Shame on you :rolleyes:

Quite right, lot of fun to be had making judgements on kiddie-fucker, animal torturers, rapists, drug-dealers, burglars and motor-bike thieves, why the hell would we ever need to meet them to do that??:innocent:

You're not one of the above and feeling a little sensitive are you?:gob: :wait:

[Edbear]

What do people really expect when we have the sexualisation of children by the advertising media.
And you don't have to look far here to see pre-pubescent girls wearing the latest whore chic while mum proudly watches.
You can't have it both ways, they're either children and treated as such or they are kids having kids






I tend to agree. This is sad, and the parents are to blame. Unfortunately it is often over several generations and you wonder what the Grandparents are like. This girl and all like her,will never have a childhood, they'll be scarred for life.Too many kids never get a chance to be kids.

[Coyote]

I'm 16 and have only kissed a girl once...

[sunhuntin]

goblin...only problem with refusing to dress any kids you have/may have in the future is good luck finding clothes that dont make them look like mini hookers. most kids clothing these days is all styled like that.

rumba....keep it that way man.

i think yeh, she and the following generations will all be the same. this is the norm for them, so, in their eyes, why change it? some kids do have the view to get out, and many will fight to the death to do just that. but sadly, you can take the city from the boy, but not boy from the city. or something to that effect.

[onearmedbandit]

Do you mean 'you can take the boy out of the city but not the city out of the boy'?

[sunhuntin]

thatd probably be it....had that orginally, but it didnt sound right so reversed it. cheers OAB.:yes:

[Goblin]

THE REAL ISSUE IS WILL THEY MAKE IT WORK ,AND WILL THE BABY BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY .
AT LEAST THEY DIDNT GET AN ABORTION AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE CARPET
Another thing is with modern medicine & technology, premature babies are being kept alive at 23-26 weeks gestation and doctors think this is a good thing. It's almost like they can have bragging rights for keeping younger & younger babies alive. Sure it's hard for any parent to lose a baby but sometimes these babies are born prem for a reason and doctors keep them alive for their own selfish reasons and these kids and their parents are left with the consequences.

I bet the 11 year old girl's doctors are enjoying the attention and will profit from it. Their peers will be congratulating them and wishing they too had one of the youngest girls to be pregnant on their patient list. It's all about egos!

[Storm]

Thats just bloody wrong. Sadly, that seems to be, as others have said, just another sign of the times

[The Pastor]

Er.. one thing. Why is it that none of us are mentioning the lad that knocked her up, and his lack of values..?
Should it all be on the head of an 11 year old kid?


You’re kinda off the mark here; yes he should accept responsibility and face the death penalty. But it is the lack of parenting values on both the 11yr old kind AND the parents of the 15yr old father. It is 100% the parents fault. END OF STORY.

You mention the kid’s lack of values - Where do you think he gets them from. This is the reason for my sig (taken from maddox.xmission.com) - The screw up happened right from the birth of the kids, just take a look at super nanny. Its people like these who make me want to become a hermit. It simply amazes me how grown people can let a little 2 yr old run there lives? They are the true scum of society - The role of being a parent is one of the most important roles anyone could possibly have and should never be taken lightly. I would go as far as to say if every parent didn’t mess up there kid’s crime would be drastically reduced.

No ones perfect, but that’s no excuse for negligence in the highest degree.

[UrbanMyth]

wow now that is soem sick stuff.

[Coyote]

You’re kinda off the mark here; yes he should accept responsibility and face the death penalty. But it is the lack of parenting values on both the 11yr old kind AND the parents of the 15yr old father. It is 100% the parents fault. END OF STORY.

You mention the kid’s lack of values - Where do you think he gets them from. This is the reason for my sig (taken from maddox.xmission.com) - The screw up happened right from the birth of the kids, just take a look at super nanny. Its people like these who make me want to become a hermit. It simply amazes me how grown people can let a little 2 yr old run there lives? They are the true scum of society - The role of being a parent is one of the most important roles anyone could possibly have and should never be taken lightly. I would go as far as to say if every parent didn’t mess up there kid’s crime would be drastically reduced.

No ones perfect, but that’s no excuse for negligence in the highest degree.
I agree totally

However, I've been delt a tough hand because since my parents have sheltered my life with a steel reinforced concrete fortress, it's left me being clueless about everything and a loner/outcast with no confidence. It's good that I haven't made mistakes, but you learn from mistakes

In saying that, I don't blame my parents for the fact that I haven't done anything. It was my own undoing. Plus they got me into biking so all is forgiven :p

[sunhuntin]

the boy who knocked her up has been charged with rape [the link i posted no longer works due to the site changing daily.] will hunt for the link to the new info.

[sunhuntin]

Boy, 15, charged over pregnant 11-year-old
LYNDSAY MOSS
HEALTH CORRESPONDENT
A TEENAGE boy has been charged with statutory rape after it emerged a West Lothian girl became pregnant aged 11.

The girl, now aged 12, is set to become the UK's youngest mother when she gives birth in a month's time - four months before her 13th birthday.

Yesterday Lothian and Borders Police said a 15-year-old boy was scheduled to appear on 10 July at Edinburgh Sheriff Court, having already made a previous appearance.

News of the girl's pregnancy sparked concern about the state of sex education in Scotland and the pressure young people face in a highly sexualised society.

The 12-year-old, who has not been named, told a national newspaper she was "really excited" about having a child after losing her virginity at 11 to a boy during a drunken night out in Edinburgh.

When she gives birth in a few weeks she will break the record set by Jenny Teague, from Poole, Dorset, who had a baby at the age of 12 years, nine months in 1997.

The girl, who smokes 20 roll-up cigarettes a day, said she did not believe in abortion and so decided to go ahead with the pregnancy.

But she said she was confident she would be able to deal with motherhood. "I've had lots of practice looking after my brothers," she said.

The youngster has now left school and has lessons at a local community centre as part of an outreach programme.

Figures show that in Scotland there were 679 pregnancies among 13- to 15-year-olds in 2003-4.

This amounts to 7.5 conceptions per 1,000 youngsters in this age group. The rate is slightly higher in England and Wales, at eight per 1,000.

The UK as a whole has the second highest teenage birth rate in the developed world, at 32 per 1,000, second only to the United States at 52. The UK rate is double that of Germany, three times the rate of France and five times that of the Netherlands.

Earlier this year it emerged that six Scots schoolgirls fell pregnant aged 12 in 2004.

There were concerns that the latest 12-year-old's situation highlighted a lack of sex education in Scotland and a society sending out the wrong messages about sex to youngsters. The Scottish Conservative health spokeswoman, Nanette Milne, said: "I hope this incident will draw attention to failings that have allowed such a young girl to go on a night out, get drunk and get pregnant, yet seemingly be ignorant about the risks and consequences.

"Any sustainable change in behaviour and attitudes can only be family and society-driven."

Norman Wells, director of the campaign group Family and Youth Concern, said more cases like that of the West Lothian girl would occur unless the issue of underage sexual activity was addressed.

"It's not more sex education children need, but a complete change of focus. Children need to be taught that sexual intimacy belongs in the context of a lifelong, faithful monogamous marriage," he said.

A spokesman for the Catholic Church also expressed concern.

He said: "It is indicative of an increasingly promiscuous culture.

"Scotland does not seem to be as concerned as it should be about underage sexual activity and promiscuous behaviour on the part of older teenagers."

Catherine Evans from Brook, the sexual health charity for young people, stressed the need for improved sex education,

"so that all young people have got the facts to protect themselves".

A Scottish Executive spokeswoman said: "We have a programme of sex education in schools. It is something all pupils should be aware of and it stresses the importance of relationships within a family context."

[sunhuntin]

'Now I want to help other young girls'
Jenny gave birth aged 12 years and nine months in 1997 to a girl called Sasha, now 9.

She too conceived the first time she had sex, during a one-night stand. She realised she was pregnant only four days before giving birth.

Jenny blamed her pregnancy on lack of sex education in schools. She had her first sex education lesson two years after giving birth.

She had not started her period when she had sex for the first time and did not realise that she could get pregnant.

Jenny has advocated teaching children about sex from the age of six. Sasha's father, who was Jenny's first partner, has not had any contact with his daughter.

Jenny has raised Sasha with the help and support of her mother, Caroline. She has said in the past that she lost contact with most of her peers after becoming a mother.

"After I had Sasha I could not go out with my friends. They went out to the pictures, bowling, shopping and all the teenage things while I was sitting at home looking after my baby," she explained.

She is now married and has another daughter. She stayed on at school and plans to go to college to study midwifery - so that she can educate young girls like herself about sex.

Education must go beyond biology
WE NOW live in a highly sexualised society - young people are getting mixed messages from TV, films, magazines and music about whether or not they should be having sex.

On one hand they're told that having sex is cool, is what they should be doing and everybody is doing it. On the other hand, they often receive sex education which does not always deal with the social and relationship side of sex.

Sometimes, the peer pressure becomes too much and young people feel they have to have sex because everyone else is doing it. In reality, this is not the case. Figures from the National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles show three-quarters of girls and two-thirds of boys do not have sex before the age of 16. This needs to be stressed more.

Young people having underage sex are more likely not to use contraceptives and put themselves at risk of sexually transmitted infections as well as pregnancy.

At the Family Planning Association (FPA) we believe teenage pregnancy is a complex social issue for which there is no quick fix. Teenage pregnancy rates are now falling, but not as much as we would like to see. Continued progress requires a combined approach from health, education and social services, parents and young people.

Parents have a key role to play as they are the main sex educators for youngsters. They should not assume children will be given all the facts at school.

Sex education in schools needs to be about more than biology and address peer pressure, relationships and sexual health.

We need to make sure all children get the right information from the right sources. Otherwise, we are going to see more young lives changed forever by teenage pregnancy.

TIM STREET
DIRECTOR OF FPA SCOTLAND

[yungatart]

[QUOTE=sunhuntin
We need to make sure all children get the right information from the right sources. Otherwise, we are going to see more young lives changed forever by teenage pregnancy.

TIM STREET
DIRECTOR OF FPA SCOTLAND[/QUOTE]
horror of horrors - we could actually teach our young ones to say no to having sex....

[Skyryder]

OR MAYBE SHE IS PROUD , HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER ANY BABY A BLESSING , MY COUSIN GOT A GIRL PREGNANT WHEN THE WERE BOTH ABOUT 14 AND THERE DAUGHTER HAD A KID AT ABOUT THE SAME AGE , THAT MEANS HE WAS A GRANDFATHER AT UNDER 30 YO, TALK TO HIM HES FUCKEN RAPT , HE WORKS HARD HE HAS LOTS OF MONEY AND HE LOOKS AFTER HIS DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILD VERY WELL , AN 11 YO BEING PREGNANT IS NOT IDEAL BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS WILL THEY MAKE IT WORK ,AND WILL THE BABY BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY .
AT LEAST THEY DIDNT GET AN ABORTION AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE CARPET

There are always success stories Winj. But not as many as the losses. Shit the streets are full of losses. Try talking to the Christchurch bus drivers...........etc

What your are talking about is support. That is entirely different from being proud of your daughter being pregnant at 11............14..........or what ever.

Will they make it work? Who knows. I'm picking motherhood will be a five minute wonder. The daughter will soon get sick of dirty nappies, feeding, crying etc and expect her mum to take over while she continues on with the single life as if nothing had happened. There will be rows bitch fights etc. Oh mother hood will kick in when it suites her but by the time the baby is starting school it will all have become a bit of a bore and the cycle will start over again. And mother and daughter will both be blaming each other for the mess that they have created.

But who knows. Miracles do happen. Zeds back:nya:


Skyryder

[Smorg]

for some reason all i can think of is that chick from Little Britan, I bet she looks and acts exactly the same

[Coyote]

Yeah, same here. The next series should be interesting as all 'Vicky's' kids are toddlers now

[Lou Girardin]

It's no wonder 84% of my workmates voted that they would prefer the drinking age to be put back to 20.

Just fantasise for a moment and imagine if the drinking age was 40.
The road toll would be well under 300, violent crime would be more than halved, teen pregnancy's would be reduced.
And best of all, I could still have a drink.

[Lou Girardin]

OR MAYBE SHE IS PROUD , HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER ANY BABY A BLESSING , MY COUSIN GOT A GIRL PREGNANT WHEN THE WERE BOTH ABOUT 14 AND THERE DAUGHTER HAD A KID AT ABOUT THE SAME AGE , THAT MEANS HE WAS A GRANDFATHER AT UNDER 30 YO, TALK TO HIM HES FUCKEN RAPT , HE WORKS HARD HE HAS LOTS OF MONEY AND HE LOOKS AFTER HIS DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILD VERY WELL , AN 11 YO BEING PREGNANT IS NOT IDEAL BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS WILL THEY MAKE IT WORK ,AND WILL THE BABY BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY .
AT LEAST THEY DIDNT GET AN ABORTION AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE CARPET

Every rule has an exception.

[Coyote]

Drinking age doesn't mean shit. If you want alcohol, you can easily get it. I was offered some Vodka in Physics class just the other day

[onearmedbandit]

Hmmm, I'm not that old but Physics class sure has changed since I was at school.

[Lou Girardin]

Another thing is with modern medicine & technology, premature babies are being kept alive at 23-26 weeks gestation and doctors think this is a good thing. It's almost like they can have bragging rights for keeping younger & younger babies alive. Sure it's hard for any parent to lose a baby but sometimes these babies are born prem for a reason and doctors keep them alive for their own selfish reasons and these kids and their parents are left with the consequences.

I bet the 11 year old girl's doctors are enjoying the attention and will profit from it. Their peers will be congratulating them and wishing they too had one of the youngest girls to be pregnant on their patient list. It's all about egos!

I'm a littler closer to this situation. A friend had a prem baby that was a matter of days past the cut off for rescus. Despte all the risks prem babies face, this little girl is normal in everyway and her mum blesses those Doctors and nurses everyday.

[Indiana_Jones]

What a f*cking dumb slut

Edit: I'm talking about the main article incase some people get the wrong idea

-Indy

[Jamezo]

Hmmm, I'm not that old but Physics class sure has changed since I was at school.
It's probably the same, it's just good ol' Upper Hutt up to its old tricks again.

Infamously, a couple of guys actually smoked up in class (science), but they did not manage to evade the keen nose of the geriatric asian substitute teacher, "somebody is burning the grass!"

Oh Upper Hutt, when will you learn?......

[jazbug5]

You’re kinda off the mark here; yes he should accept responsibility and face the death penalty. But it is the lack of parenting values on both the 11yr old kind AND the parents of the 15yr old father. It is 100% the parents fault. END OF STORY...

Okay , perhaps I could have phrased that differently- but what I meant was, the heat of our opinion seems to be almost entirely focussed on the girl's (or was that 'dumb slut', Indy?) side/family. Not too many comments about the boy, regardless of if he is being done for rape... if that's the right word or charge for what he did.

Actually, I think WINJA has a point, too- the family clearly are anti abortion, and maybe her mother is proud because she isn't taking the easy option, however misguided we might think that seems. Maybe if any of us actually met her, rather than reading stupid quotes selected by a journalist, we might be surprised to find a family making the best of a nightmare situation..?
Just a thought.

[scumdog]

Drinking age doesn't mean shit. If you want alcohol, you can easily get it. I was offered some Vodka in Physics class just the other day

And you've been around HOW long to know this??

O.K., I guess it's a piss-take on the drinking age? Right?

[Insanity_rules]

Its a sad world. I have a 13 year old daughter and no desire to be a grandfather at 33. Where is the boy in this situation? Are his parents proud of him?

[onearmedbandit]

Got my daughter staying tonight, it's her 7th birthday. Trying to imagine her being a mother in just over 4yrs time would be laughable if this sort of thing didn't actually happen. 11yrs old is just (imo) way to young to be having sex, let alone considering having a child. Sure we don't know the full story, but I really don't see how an 11yr old could handle being a parent when they are still a child themselves.

I want my daughter to mature into a beautiful young woman, but I want her to have a childhood first.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

gareth_d here, saw a girl at work the otehr day, had a belly like an 8mth pregnant woman, made me sick. This children need to learn some discipline, and their parents too. Sure sex is good (buffy can tell you how good i am) :rockon: but if you are reckless with it you can get into bad trouble like this. 11yo pregnant, wtf, her mum shoulda smacked her more as a child and tought her a lesson, if your 11 you shouldnt be fucking, let alone making babies, i mean WTF. Send winja to deal with her, but a chain smoking 11yo that is pregnant. Thats just fucked up, even in my books, and i'm a bit rude and crude, even by pyrocams standards and thats something :whocares: i is drunk so this probably doestn count.

[The Beast]

All this talk about sex education made me remember that ERO is coming to my school tomorrow and my sex ed teacher put my name forward to answer their questions about what I think of the program.
:laugh: :laugh:
Seriously, 11years old. that is crazy.

[Skyryder]

[QUOTE=The Beast]All this talk about sex education made me remember that ERO is coming to my school tomorrow and my sex ed teacher put my name forward to answer their questions about what I think of the program.
:laugh: :laugh: /QUOTE]

So what are you going to tell her or is it, what did you tell her?:killingme

Skyryder

[Pixie]

Future Granny is probably only 21

[crashe]

Hmmmmm 15 year old father charged with Rape... will most likely get sentenced and sent down for it... will be forever be known as a rapist...

What a life this young boy has ahead of him... Whenever there is a rape in his area that he will live in.. he will be pulled up each time and checked out for his alibi... will be put on the "sex offenders list" forever.

What he did was wrong, having sex with a child. I sure hope he has learnt from this and keeps his penis inside his pants for a very long time.
Yes at 11 years of age the girl was a child.

I dont think this little kid really knows what she is in for...
will she still continue to run wild (parties etc) and her mother be left to bring up another baby.

Why was she allowed to be out boozing and running wild at such a young age... This comes down to parental supervision... and her mother lacks these skills.

The child is "excited" but cant cope when her little brother gets sick...
well what is she gonna do when her baby crys when the baby is sick... run outside and go to a party....

Time to call in cyps or the UK equivilant (sp)

This young child needs to know that she is now gonna be staying at home 24/7 and looking after a little baby...

I dont like the idea of children having children... it is so wrong.

Yep it seems to be happening a lot..... but in NZ if someone has a baby under 18 (benefit age) then the parents of the new mother are totally responsible of the new mother and baby... thats all financial worries.

This is only my opinion.... but it is so damned sad to see it happening so damned often.

[GN1NiteStnd]

Thats so wrong! I remember what it was like to be eleven, and i didnt even think about smoking, drinking, having sex or having babies! That stuff didnt even cross my mind, they were things grownups did.

And if that girls anything like my mother, she isnt gonna have much of a childhood either, you see my mother had me at 17, most people think thats bad enough, but my mother never ever wanted that to happen to me so i have had the most sheltered childhood out of the people i have met. Also i got stuck with the responsibilities of an adult and the restrictions of a child. I had a 8.30pm bedtime, up until i turned 18 then it changed to 9pm. If i wanted a job, i was only allowed one during the christmas holidays, no boyfriends until i finished my education, uni included (yet i managed to get around this one at 17). no alcohol, don't care was the legal age is! no getting a license, (Yet if i was allowed, i prob wouldnt have a bike). And of course looking after my two younger brothers while my parents worked day and night over the apple season 6 days a week, and when i wanted to see froggyfrenchman on sunday, the only day i wasnt baby sitting, mum would argue that she hadnt seen me all week, who's fault was that?!

Not surprizingly, at 18, i decided one sunday to visit frog and never go home. Why it took me so long i dont know.

[Smorg]

I'd encourage my daughter to have babies as early as possible at least then they are out of the way, just think....by the time shes 21 the kid will be 11 by the time shes 31 it'll be 21....awesome.

Now where has that kid gone

[Karlyg]

Noone seems to be mentioning the fact that she is still smoking heavily while pregnant! Sure, she is young etc etc, and that is scary and shocking and wrong, but she should still be attempting to have a healthy baby. Grrr!

[Biohazard]

Welcome to the UK guys, it can be so f*cked up at times, thats one of the reasons i left...its full of Chavs & Chavettes !!!! thats WHITE TRASH to all you kiwi's...

[The_Dover]

Biohazard beat me to it.

Welcome to Scotland though, it's a delightful and cultural place. Hell, I was getting pissed up at 13 and doing other shit I probably shouldn't have, and I lived in a fairly decent area!

This shit is the norm and I'm suprised it made the press.

[WINJA]

Biohazard beat me to it.

Welcome to Scotland though, it's a delightful and cultural place. Hell, I was getting pissed up at 13 and doing other shit I probably shouldn't have, and I lived in a fairly decent area!

This shit is the norm and I'm suprised it made the press.
I THOUGHT YOU WAS IRISH , YOU SOUND IRISH TO ME

[Ixion]

Technically I believe he's from one of those funny islands where they specialise in little ponies and cardigans.

Which doubtless explains a great deal.

[froggyfrenchman]

That's completely wrong scummy old pal...

On a financial note... she'll be better off than most of us.

Rent paid for her, child support, all sorts of stuff... living on benefits isn't anything to be ashamed of these days it seems... it's a career choice.

Sadly thats true. I dont mean sadly in a sympathetic to the dumb shit that gets knocked up, I mean sadly I have to pay for their pathetic lifestyles with my hard earned cash.

Anyone on the dpb should be sterilised!

[Lou Girardin]

Anyone on the dpb should be sterilised!

Does that include the scumbags who get a chick pregnant and scoot or abandon their families?

[ManDownUnder]

Does that include the scumbags who get a chick pregnant and scoot or abandon their families?

LOLOL... good call

[froggyfrenchman]

Does that include the scumbags who get a chick pregnant and scoot or abandon their families?

They should not qualify for the benefit. There is no excuse for an able bodied lad to be on the dole in this country!