DAMN FRIGGIN OIL COMPANIES [Archive]

Two Smoker

10th May 2004, 22:13

$1.33 per litre 98......... :brick: :brick: :brick:

70litre tank on a sportscar :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:

:argh:
SHIT YES, i filled up my cage today, spent fucking $40 and got JUST over half a tank of gas :angry2: .... That was $40 for 30 litres of 98..... Can't wait for my bike to be ready, soooooo much cheaper....

Ghost Lemur

10th May 2004, 22:36

OMG :gob:

What rediculous excuse are they using for that? I'm sort of thankful that my car is off the road, but with prices that stupid it isn't going to be long before we see a rise in food. They govt/corporate watchdogs really need to get some balls/teeth on this issue. There is obvious collusion going on. Whether illicit (like a few years ago when they all got those patheticly small fines) or tassit (sp?), it shouldn't matter. Competition, and rules governing business are there to prevent this exact type of robbery.

marty

10th May 2004, 22:39

i just fitted an LPG tank to my cage today - i start commuting to auckland next week. fuck it's gonna hurt - on petrol at 270kms a day @ 9 litres/100km @ $1.22/litre = nearly $30 a day. ouch.

LPG, at .65c/litre, uses about 12 litres/100k = $21.

unfortunately I don't (yet) own a touring/commuting bike, which gets 50 mpg (eg VFR800, or even a busa ridden nicely.

but who ever rode one of those nicely...

marty

10th May 2004, 22:42

and diesel's no good - 270kms a day costs about $7 a day in RUC, $15 in fuel (maybe more now that diesel is .75c a litre!), plus the purchase premium and servicing, and the car performs like a POS unless it's a merc/audi/peugeot etc.

marty

10th May 2004, 22:46

marty

10th May 2004, 22:54

i just searched google for fuel prices - UK prices around the 75p mark, 80p for premium, but in Ireland - try 93p for unleaded 91, and 1.18 for premium - that's $2.92 a litre!

curious george

11th May 2004, 00:13

Petrol is quite cheap here. Not cheap enough, perhaps, but like Marty said, cheaper than the UK

Lou Girardin

11th May 2004, 06:56

Funny how prices didn't fall when our dollar was US.69c. Price control anyone?

wkid_one

11th May 2004, 07:20

i just searched google for fuel prices - UK prices around the 75p mark, 80p for premium, but in Ireland - try 93p for unleaded 91, and 1.18 for premium - that's $2.92 a litre!
No it isn't - making a straight ER is not accurate unless you are on holiday buying petrol with NZD converted to GBP - if you are over there - it is pretty much pound for dollar - making petrol cheaper there than here.

James Deuce

11th May 2004, 07:24

merv

11th May 2004, 07:52

.. and the problem is the fuel hungry Yanks as usual driving up prices in their summer because OPEC cuts production just when they want heaps and the price per barrel soars to $40 US and on top of that our buck has dropped to $0.60 US. Can't win eh!

bungbung

11th May 2004, 08:37

70litre tank on a sportscar :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:
..

I second that, except my tank is 80l, this is getting real close to $100 to fill up. :disapint:

Marmoot

11th May 2004, 11:25

I second that, except my tank is 80l, this is getting real close to $100 to fill up. :disapint:

Yes......
darn Supra. The only consolation I have is that it is not turbo'ed (yet)......and it's not a Pajero

Now, who owns a petrol 4.2l Cherokee? :killingme

Counting on fuel prices, it almost seemed like we have been having average 7% inflation per year for the past 4 years. :gob:

James Deuce

11th May 2004, 11:34

merv

11th May 2004, 12:21

They are definitely liars and thieves, but worst of all they think their customer base is stupid.

I doubt they think we are stupid, just that we have no choice as to where we buy fuel - so captive we are.

Perhaps I should have bought a diesel then I would have a choice as I laughed at that rerun of Top Gear on Sunday night when they ran the Volvo on vege oil - had to be used cooking oil they said for more go - they did strain the food crumbs out of it though. Cost was 3p a litre they said plus I think 26p tax. Damn taxes.

Big Dog

11th May 2004, 16:26

Funny how prices didn't fall when our dollar was US.69c. Price control anyone?
That may just be why it took nearly a year for the decreased production, caused by americans stealing oil it was having trouble buying, actually drove prices up.

They went up almost immediately in AUS and in USA.

Big Dog

11th May 2004, 16:34

Weird thing is not two months ago they were claiming that they couldn't drop fuel prices because they bought oil on a 6 monthly basis and had paid for it 6 months ahead of time. As soon as the Brent Crude index rockets up they up the prices.

They are definitely liars and thieves, but worst of all they think their customer base is stupid.
Selling a petrol price is never going to be easy.

There are taxes, barrel costs, refining, distribution, staff advertising, and investors all going in to the mix on a product that is the most begrudged purchase.

And a purchase most people see as involuntary.

Ask any oil price exec and they will tell you they miss the fixed pricing of the regulated 80's as much as comp techs miss the dotcom era. When there was a guaranteed 7c return per litre for each stage.

Very few can make that much nowadays because of all the companies who are happy to lose x cents a litre to get your discretionary dollar into their C-Store. :brick:

marty

11th May 2004, 17:53

No it isn't - making a straight ER is not accurate unless you are on holiday buying petrol with NZD converted to GBP - if you are over there - it is pretty much pound for dollar - making petrol cheaper there than here.

that's what i was doing. i wanted to hire a go-fast vauxhaull but the fuel costs on conversion was just too much. the corsa was 25 quid (plus gas) a day to hire unlimited miles in the uk, in scotland we got a Seat for 20 quid a day (plus gas) all incl. shit the Seat could go too. their wages though are not quite as strong as ours - teachers/cops etc on 30k pounds (here on 40k minimum), cars about the same pound for $, insurance over there very expensive though, esp. for large capacity bikes and oft-stolen cars (subarus etc). beer is expensive at the clubs.

we have it pretty good really. i'd rather live here. by far.

Hitcher

11th May 2004, 18:25

I hope all you Aucklanders enjoy the roading network the rest of us motorists are subsidising for your driving/riding pleasure...

Big Dog

11th May 2004, 18:35

I hope all you Aucklanders enjoy the roading network the rest of us motorists are subsidising for your driving/riding pleasure...
Most definately, and as often as pssible, but would you mind chipping it to put in some chicaines on the way home :moon:

What?

11th May 2004, 19:29

MikeL

11th May 2004, 21:07

$1.23 a litre and still going up. Omigod, soon it will cost me $10 to fill up my Honda.

:bleh:

James Deuce

11th May 2004, 21:35

Selling a petrol price is never going to be easy.

There are taxes, barrel costs, refining, distribution, staff advertising, and investors all going in to the mix on a product that is the most begrudged purchase.

And a purchase most people see as involuntary.

Ask any oil price exec and they will tell you they miss the fixed pricing of the regulated 80's as much as comp techs miss the dotcom era. When there was a guaranteed 7c return per litre for each stage.

Very few can make that much nowadays because of all the companies who are happy to lose x cents a litre to get your discretionary dollar into their C-Store. :brick:

Ask any Oil Surveying executive (Brother-In-Law is a petrologist with Schlumberger) and they'll tell you that price regulation has little to do with the cost of production, shipping, or handling. I don't object to Global Corporations making ends meet and a profit. I do object to being sold inconsistent stories over both the long and short term They would get more respect from me if they said, "Well it all comes from the same refinery, and we really can't be bothered competing on a brand basis in NZ so we decided to just charge the same, and jack the price when we think we can get away with it".

Deano

11th May 2004, 21:39

Ask any Oil Surveying executive (Brother-In-Law is a petrologist with Schlumberger) and they'll tell you that price regulation has little to do with the cost of production, shipping, or handling. I don't object to Global Corporations making ends meet and a profit. I do object to being sold inconsistent stories over both the long and short term They would get more respect from me if they said, "Well it all comes from the same refinery, and we really can't be bothered competing on a brand basis in NZ so we decided to just charge the same, and jack the price when we think we can get away with it".

BASTARDS !!!

At least Honda are on the way with a hydrogen car that can do 160km/h.

World leaders don't ya know :2thumbsup

Lou Girardin

12th May 2004, 07:04

Have you ridden in Auck metro lately, Hitcher? There's not much enjoyment in it. Lots of adrenaline though. Why not have your tax money back and some of our population too.

James Deuce

12th May 2004, 08:15

BASTARDS !!!

At least Honda are on the way with a hydrogen car that can do 160km/h.

World leaders don't ya know :2thumbsup

Hydrogen is Waaay too expensive to produce to ever be a viable alternative fuel with current production techniques. Using electricity to split hydrogen from sea water requires at least as much energy in the form of electricity as you will get from the hydrogen. Other production methods create more carbon dioxide than current internal combustion engines. One of the plans for dealing with the excess carbon dioxide is pumping it into abandoned oil wells :shit: .

Physicists also say that "Hydrogen is big". By that they mean it is difficult to store. It is light so it takes up heaps of space therefore the "big" comment. One way to reduce the amount of space it takes up is to store it in liquid form. But that requires shielding which is heavy so you start getting into the law of diminishing returns. Another way to store it is titanium chips as titanium loves Hydrogen and soaks it up into its dense matrix. But you have to heat it up to get the Hydrogen out, so there is basically two choices to get a comparable range from a Hydrogen powered car to a Hydrocarbons based propulsion system. You can have something in your car so cold that if you accidentally touch it your finger gets frozen and snaps off, or you can have a really intense fire.

One hydrogen atom says to the other, " I've lost my electron!", and the other says, "Are you sure?", and the first one says, "I'm positive!".

Hitcher

12th May 2004, 08:56

One hydrogen atom says to the other, " I've lost my electron!", and the other says, "Are you sure?", and the first one says, "I'm positive!".

An oldie but a goodie!

Geothermal can also be used to generate hydrogen -- Iceland is investing hugely in these systems. Fuel cells are the future!

James Deuce

12th May 2004, 09:26

The geothermal method creates huge amounts of carbon dioxide. I think the demand for hydrogen fuel will be overtaken by changing social circumstances, the increasing efficiency of the petrol and diesel engine, and possibly even fusion power generation technologies. The cost of Hydrogen fuel, including fuel cell technology, is enormous, particularly environmentally as this fuel source requires power generation that increases carbon dioxide emmissions.

Drunken Monkey

12th May 2004, 09:33

although when i was in the UK in dec 2002 it was costing .80p for a litre of regular 91. that was $2.40 a litre converted! it was costing me more to run a rented vauxhall corsa - 3 door 1300cc than it does to run my V8 commodore

That was a spanky vauxhall corsa! The one I rented was a 3 door, 3 cylinder 1000cc version! Still did 92 miles an hour, foot to the floor...

Marmoot

12th May 2004, 09:34

That's a bit far-fetched for me at the moment.
The current concern is how to be able to save for my retirement when my wages don't go up as much as the petrol price hike.
Imagine that, if we go by petrol prices, we have had 35% inflation for the past 5 years alone.....

Drunken Monkey

12th May 2004, 09:39

I hope all you Aucklanders enjoy the roading network the rest of us motorists are subsidising for your driving/riding pleasure...

Other way round, buddy! More than half the national total road tax revenue comes from Auckland (can't remember the exact figure quoted in the report, but it was over 60%).

Still, I couldn't get over the length of the traffic queue going into Wellington that Easter Sunday down SH1. Bumper to bumper all the way from Paraparaumu...

Hitcher

12th May 2004, 10:16

Other way round, buddy! More than half the national total road tax revenue comes from Auckland (can't remember the exact figure quoted in the report, but it was over 60%).

You're forgetting the surcharge specifically levelled on the rest of us...

James Deuce

12th May 2004, 10:21

Still, I couldn't get over the length of the traffic queue going into Wellington that Easter Sunday down SH1. Bumper to bumper all the way from Paraparaumu...

It's been like that for 15 years, every flaming holiday break.

vifferman

12th May 2004, 10:38

$1.33 per litre 98......... :brick: :brick: :brick:

70litre tank on a sportscar :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:

:argh:

Yeah, I filled the wifie's Peugeot up yesterday. Er, that is, I intended to fill it up, but the dials were racing around so fast, I panicked, and stopped at $50. By the way - I must've picked an expensiver station - it was $1.34/litre. Bastids.

vifferman

12th May 2004, 10:42

Other way round, buddy! More than half the national total road tax revenue comes from Auckland (can't remember the exact figure quoted in the report, but it was over 60%).

The annoying thing is that they're busy debating ways to fund roading improvements, when less than a third of the road tax portion of the petrol taxes is actually spent on roading. AND there's an additional surcharge of a few cents a litre which was supposed to be for Auckland's roading woes, which has gone.... where...??? AND the GST is calculated on top of everything else, so every time the price goes up, we're taxed more.

BASTIDS!!! :angry2:

Coldkiwi

12th May 2004, 12:51

perhaps its time for Mr cullen to pull his over inflated head and budget surplus in to absorb some of these costs then????

How the hell does one end up 7.4 BILLION dollars in credit without providing some massive tax cuts at the end of it... with 4 million people here (assuming we're all tax payers) we could all have $2000 back in our pocket this year!!! That'd cover the fuel bill nicely thank you.

Deano

12th May 2004, 13:10

Other way round, buddy! More than half the national total road tax revenue comes from Auckland (can't remember the exact figure quoted in the report, but it was over 60%).

Still, I couldn't get over the length of the traffic queue going into Wellington that Easter Sunday down SH1. Bumper to bumper all the way from Paraparaumu...

"Straight" Highway 1 you mean - Paekak Hill is much more fun.

I don't even take the car up SH1 !!

Marmoot

12th May 2004, 13:24

we could all have $2000 back in our pocket this year!!! That'd cover the fuel bill nicely thank you.

I'd even be very happy with $500 back..........
It feels like milking a stone, eh?

Big Dog

12th May 2004, 16:15

"Well it all comes from the same refinery, and we really can't be bothered competing on a brand basis in NZ so we decided to just charge the same, and jack the price when we think we can get away with it".
Or try this on for size instead (purely hypothetical).
"Existing fuelstocks will only take 20 years to completely deplete at current consumption, assuming no growth, when there has been a 20% annual growth in demand for the last 10 years. And only us and 5 other companies have the resources to develop, refine, distribute petrol, like it or lump it cos in 20 years we will be out of a job unless an alternative is found soon that we can still distribute through our existng network. Oh and Helen is taking 43%!"
It aint pretty but if I owned a oil company that is pretty much how I see would it.

Drunken Monkey

13th May 2004, 09:14

Well then...I stand corrected!

We've had it fairly cheap for a while, granted some of the roading is shocking where it shouldn't be and there are some fancy expensive roads where they needn't be. Road Tolls and increased fuel bills are just something we'll have to learn to live with. Still, none of us appreciate being given the run around about where our tax dollars are going.

Big Dog

13th May 2004, 17:46

Still, none of us appreciate being given the run around about where our tax dollars are going.
We are not. Helen tells us every time she cuts spending to a school and then gives herself and her gang a payrise to the same amount. :baby:

maybe

13th May 2004, 19:14

Man we own a 1987 falcon wouldn't be so bad but has what they call a desert tank tanks just over 90ltrs........ouch

scumdog

14th May 2004, 13:33

Just calculated it will cost me $160.08 to fill up the hot-rod :brick:
No wonder i don't use it as a daily-dray!! and it get 16mpg on a good day (you metrics figure it out!) - I think it's about 16lt per 100km

scumdog

14th May 2004, 13:40

IMO the price of gas is not a real issue, especially for the owners of late model cars. Figure it out, a new Mazda 6 (for example) is going to devalue at a rate of around $230 to $250 a week (!!!) in the first year. What's another $5 on your tank of gas?
Of course, for those of us who live in the real world, it bloody sucks... :angry2:

Thats why the newest vehicle that Crissy-Bimbo (Mrs s.d to you ) and I own apart from the H-D is her 1984 Laser Ghia (sheer luxury) but she needs something likr that for commuting, until three years ago she used her Anglia and at that time it ME who was the tycoon with the newest car, a'64 Anglia (hers is a '62) :cool: .

moko

21st May 2004, 07:30

i just searched google for fuel prices - UK prices around the 75p mark, 80p for premium, but in Ireland - try 93p for unleaded 91, and 1.18 for premium - that's $2.92 a litre!

Just posted this elsewhere but what the hell.Filled up this morning and locally 95 is 81p per litre,about $2.20 I think.We have some of the most heavily taxed fuel in the world,the most heavily taxed everything in fact yet public services are way behind N.Z. Have to pay for our psychotic f**k of a leader`s wars somehow I suppose.

pete376403

21st May 2004, 10:43

Big Dog

21st May 2004, 15:44

Those of you who are really interested in how fuel pricing works may like to follow this link.Chevron-Texaco pricing strategy. (http://www.chevrontexaco.com/news/current_issues/price_supply.asp) This is more of a global answer from Caltexes parent company, as such there is no provision for the 75% odd that the govt takes (plus gst).

bungbung

21st May 2004, 15:49

For daily NZ fuel prices try www.pricewatch.co.nz

Big Dog

21st May 2004, 16:51

For daily NZ fuel prices try www.pricewatch.co.nz
Shit! if that site is right Caltex is up to 20c below market! :not:

scumdog

21st May 2004, 20:17

Just posted this elsewhere but what the hell.Filled up this morning and locally 95 is 81p per litre,about $2.20 I think.We have some of the most heavily taxed fuel in the world,the most heavily taxed everything in fact yet public services are way behind N.Z. Have to pay for our psychotic f**k of a leader`s wars somehow I suppose.

If we didn't have so many f....ng lazy c..ts and indiscriminate breeders in thos country our taxes would go a lot further, man it burns me up to see people that leech of us working dudes, if everybody worked we would be so much further ahead :brick:

Jackrat

21st May 2004, 23:41

And it can only get worse. Depending on whose stories you read there's only about 20 years worth of easily extractable oil left. (Oh sure there are lots of reserve of tars and so on, but the energy required to get these into useable form exceed the energy released)
We are probably the last generation that will see petrol powered motor vehicles as a birthright.
Hopefully the energy companies will come up with something - Hydrogen p'raps.

The Oil Wars that were part of the Mad Max story may very well occur
Rather glad I probably won't be around in 20 - 30 years.

Rumor has it that the yanks are siting on enough oil stores to keep them going for another hundred years or so.Don't think anyone else is ever going to benifit from all them Texas oil feilds aye.
After all they have a war machine to keep running remember.
Mr son of a bush can kiss my ass :finger:

pete376403

23rd May 2004, 00:27

Rumor has it that the yanks are siting on enough oil stores to keep them going for another hundred years or so.Don't think anyone else is ever going to benifit from all them Texas oil feilds aye.
After all they have a war machine to keep running remember.
Mr son of a bush can kiss my ass :finger:

They have the Navy Strategic Reserve (IIRC) but I doubt its 100 years worth