zxr 250 zxr 400 gsx r 600

[mynameis]

Hey guys

Been riding for about 6 months now and new to KB and riding, but learning fast and clocking a few k's now  . Had a 2001 GPX 250 (2 cylinder) but sold that for a ZXR 250 C model 95 for a bit more grunt.

I've had the bike for a few months now, but still looking for something a little bit faster, I am 6'2' and 95 kg's. I was thinking maybe a nice ZXR 400 L4 or L5. Use the bike for commuting and a bit of cruising with a few mates once in a while, in small groups of less than 10. That's what I mainly use the bike for.

Seen a few ZXR 400's around and think they are nice bikes, not sure if I am ready to hop on a 600 yet or not but when I do, will get meself a nice GSX R 600 new one. What are opinions in comparison to 250's and 400's? If I should move to 400 or not. If yes which one CBR 400 or ZXR 400.

Few things I’ve thought of are, more power and hopefully better handling in the 400. More fun ofcourse. I got my current bike for 6g’s and ZXR 400 good ones go for 3.5 to 4 g’s. So I’d have a better bike for less $ plus I don’t have insurance with my current ZXR 250 so wouldn’t be too gutted if I wrote off the 400 provided I don’t ram into a freaken 100g car or something ?

Thoughts opinions peeps cheers! :woohoo:

[limbimtimwim]

Have you heard of the Honda VFR400 and the RVF400?

I have a few pictures of mine when it was clean here (http://www.apathy.net.nz/si-2006/).

Did a bit of a south island trip on it for my first 2 weeks of ownership :)

Not hard to keep up with big bikes either once you get the hang of it and learn how to work the engine. Sounds bloody mental too. The RVF is a little bit harder to find and they can be a little pricey too. But it looks pretty.

[Flyingpony]

... plus I don’t have insurance with my current ...
You should have at least third party insurance. It costs sweet nothing to have.

[steved]

Hey guys

Been riding for about 6 months now and new to KB and riding, but learning fast and clocking a few k's now  . Had a 2001 GPX 250 (2 cylinder) but sold that for a ZXR 250 C model 95 for a bit more grunt.

I've had the bike for a few months now, but still looking for something a little bit faster, I am 6'2' and 95 kg's. I was thinking maybe a nice ZXR 400 L4 or L5. Use the bike for commuting and a bit of cruising with a few mates once in a while, in small groups of less than 10. That's what I mainly use the bike for.

Seen a few ZXR 400's around and think they are nice bikes, not sure if I am ready to hop on a 600 yet or not but when I do, will get meself a nice GSX R 600 new one. What are opinions in comparison to 250's and 400's? If I should move to 400 or not. If yes which one CBR 400 or ZXR 400.

Few things I’ve thought of are, more power and hopefully better handling in the 400. More fun ofcourse. I got my current bike for 6g’s and ZXR 400 good ones go for 3.5 to 4 g’s. So I’d have a better bike for less $ plus I don’t have insurance with my current ZXR 250 so wouldn’t be too gutted if I wrote off the 400 provided I don’t ram into a freaken 100g car or something ?

Thoughts opinions peeps cheers! :woohoo:Stick with the ZXR250 for a while. If you think it is boring, take it to Puke for an open day and really see what it is capable of. I think you'll be surprised at how much fun the 250 can still provide. This should keep things interesting long enough to get your full (I'm assuming you aren't fully licensed yet?) after which a 400 will be a great stepping stone to a 600.

Also, handling will always get 'worse' as the engine size increases. The bikes just get heavier and harder to turn (due to more spinning/rotating mass). You'll really notice the lack of quick flick on a bigger bike.

[mynameis]

Must say the Honda looks awesome, I've heard of the names before RVF VRF, but all the while I thought they were naked bikes lol ehe my bad..as for the insurance, I havent had time to sort that out yet.

Rang a few places they said $750 for third part and $1500 for full i think and I was like WTF no way might as well dont do it now. I will get it sussed though once uni is over in a few weeks and yeah I dont have full licence as yet.

"steved" why do you say handling will get worse from my understanding the ZXR 250 is something like 171 kg and the ZXR 400 is 181 kg? Mates of mine have got 600's bigger bikes and they always swerve past me in the corners :no: and we (the ones with 250's) are left behind ehehe lol..grrr need me a bigger bike ! :spudflip:

[mynameis]

And I've also hit the 180 on straights ovbiously on my ZXR 250 many times, it actually goes past the 180 mark on the meter after I had the valves and carbs done aye!

So I love it, but what I dont like is it acceleration power and pick, when you tap gears down and trying to cane it, it automatically cuts out at 16 RPM but even then it's just not quick enough! :headbang:

[Two Smoker]

Mates of mine have got 600's bigger bikes and they always swerve past me in the corners :no: and we (the ones with 250's) are left behind ehehe lol..grrr need me a bigger bike ! :spudflip:

Maybe that comes down to rider skill??? Before i comment any more, show us ya chicken strips....

[Karma]

Seen a few ZXR 400's around and think they are nice bikes

If you're in auckland you would've seen mine.

Check the profile pic, bright green ZXR400L4.

From what I understand (having never ridden a ZXR250) they weigh fairly similar, and maneuver about the same, but are about double the HP ratings.

Well worth picking one up... as to price... sounds about right... don't expect a mint one though, they're getting harder to come by (especially when dicks like me crash them :( )

[Two Smoker]

If you're in auckland you would've seen mine.

Check the profile pic, bright green ZXR400L4.

From what I understand (having never ridden a ZXR250) they weigh fairly similar, and maneuver about the same, but are about double the HP ratings.

Well worth picking one up... as to price... sounds about right... don't expect a mint one though, they're getting harder to come by (especially when dicks like me crash them :( )

Handle a bit differently, due to the 160/60 rear tyre, especially if you run a 120/70 front (which i highly recommend)... As for Hp... it feels like double, but it would only be an extra 20-25hp on the 250 (a healthy ZXR400 puts out about 60hp at the wheel...)

[mynameis]

Maybe that comes down to rider skill??? Before i comment any more, show us ya chicken strips....


So you reckon you can take out guys with 600's on a 250 ? Lol dont think soo .. mate .. these guys have been riding for like 10 - 15 years and can pull any tricks .. maybe things you've never seen before !:ride:

[Hoon]

Haha I've seen TwoSmoker do it on an RG150!! A lighter bike will always outcorner a bigger bike with the right rider. Power isn't much use when you're cranked over.

[mynameis]

Haha I've seen TwoSmoker do it on an RG150!! A lighter bike will always outcorner a bigger bike with the right rider. Power isn't much use when you're cranked over.

Well you better start come riding with us then mate :P:stupid:

[Ixion]

Mr Two Smoker is right. Power is meaningless when actually mid corner (coming out of the corner and accelerating down the straight may be another matter).

And simple physics says the small bike will always out corner the big one (assuming they both can brake equally hard on the way in).

Especially on "s"es and such like.

And, yes Mr Two Smoker could certainly do that. No matter who your mates are. And has done it.

Cornering on a bike is down to skill, it's not liike a car.

No disrespect. but the ZXR250 is one of the fastest cornering bikes around. If people are going past you through the corner (not down the straight), then it's experience and skill that's needed. Buying a big bike won't give them to you.

[mynameis]

Mr Two Smoker is right. Power is meaningless when actually mid corner (coming out of the corner and accelerating down the straight may be another matter).

And simple physics says the small bike will always out corner the big one (assuming they both can brake equally hard on the way in).

Especially on "s"es and such like.

And, yes Mr Two Smoker could certainly do that. No matter who your mates are. And has done it.

Cornering on a bike is down to skill, it's not liike a car.

No disrespect. but the ZXR250 is one of the fastest cornering bikes around. If people are going past you through the corner (not down the straight), then it's experience and skill that's needed. Buying a big bike won't give them to you.

So putting the whole puzzle in a big picture what I meant was ovbsly that going into corners bigger bikes can go faster and brake way harder than 250's and also accelerate way quicker than a 250 hence 250 wont be any close to a 600 or bigger on the roads over distance and riding say a 5 km windy road. And if you had a race on it.

I didnt mean spcifically on a corner. You're right I havent had any probs with the ZXR 250 just thinkg and feel the acceleration aint good nuf, bearing in mind I am 95 kg's and 6'2' :hitcher:

[mynameis]

Handle a bit differently, due to the 160/60 rear tyre, especially if you run a 120/70 front (which i highly recommend)... As for Hp... it feels like double, but it would only be an extra 20-25hp on the 250 (a healthy ZXR400 puts out about 60hp at the wheel...)

You bastard ! You race on F3 aye !! Grr thats why you picking on me !! lol .. dood better come out riding with us someday mate !:moon: show us all the skills aye ! :P:P

[Two Smoker]

You bastard ! You race on F3 aye !! Grr thats why you picking on me !! lol .. dood better come out riding with us someday mate !:moon: show us all the skills aye ! :P:P

Im too slow.... and at the moment too broken... but as i said, im not commenting anymore till i see chicken strips...

[R6_kid]

I was told by the people i ride with that i was 'ready' for a bigger bike. Now i have to say im a bit crazy on the open road as a opposed to 'fast' but there is no doubt i could throw my 250 around, but to be honest thats easy compared to a bigger bike. Come out for a ride with N4CR and myself (he's on a 250C aswell) and if your pace is similar then you are probably alright to step up to a bigger bike as far as skill is concerned.

I've its that you want more speed in the straights then go for a 400, if you can ride the tyres off of it you will have no trouble beating a 600, perhaps you need to find some twistier roads because a 250 should piss all over a 600 in really tight stuff.

Speaking from experience a 600 is not really comparable to a 250 at all. There isn't usually that much more weight (eg. ZXR250A, which i previously had was 170kg wet, R6 is 188kg wet) and the power is 3-4 times what the ZXR had. This means you end up coming into corners a lot faster than you are used to and it takes a while to get the hang of it before your pace will be anything like it was.

If you really want feed back on whether you are 'ready' then it's best to go out on a ride, see where you are without trying too hard, and then see what people say on here when the ride is over.

[mynameis]

Im too slow.... and at the moment too broken... but as i said, im not commenting anymore till i see chicken strips...

Lol so you're a broken ass these days ? :P Nah mate hope fully you recover soon and get back on aye. What you mean "Chicken strips" :confused:

[Two Smoker]

Lol so you're a broken ass these days ? :P Nah mate hope fully you recover soon and get back on aye. What you mean "Chicken strips" :confused:

Cheers mate...

Chicken strips are the unused part of your tyre, the part where you havnt leaned over far enough resulting in a strip of rubber around the tyre that hasnt made contact to the road...

[mynameis]

I was told by the people i ride with that i was 'ready' for a bigger bike. Now i have to say im a bit crazy on the open road as a opposed to 'fast' but there is no doubt i could throw my 250 around, but to be honest thats easy compared to a bigger bike. Come out for a ride with N4CR and myself (he's on a 250C aswell) and if your pace is similar then you are probably alright to step up to a bigger bike as far as skill is concerned.

I've its that you want more speed in the straights then go for a 400, if you can ride the tyres off of it you will have no trouble beating a 600, perhaps you need to find some twistier roads because a 250 should piss all over a 600 in really tight stuff.

Speaking from experience a 600 is not really comparable to a 250 at all. There isn't usually that much more weight (eg. ZXR250A, which i previously had was 170kg wet, R6 is 188kg wet) and the power is 3-4 times what the ZXR had. This means you end up coming into corners a lot faster than you are used to and it takes a while to get the hang of it before your pace will be anything like it was.

If you really want feed back on whether you are 'ready' then it's best to go out on a ride, see where you are without trying too hard, and then see what people say on here when the ride is over.

Tru tru dood you live on the shore aye ? I think you know my mate Adam ? We both work for Telecom and both have ZXR 250's we go riding often aye.

Well yes I know if I get a bigger bike I am bound to clock it very soon after, otherwise I wont settle lol..as for the 250 goes .. I still cant touch the ground with my knee aye so yeah .. getting there .. but other wise I dont have any other probs. We ususally ride around albany village coatsville back area windy roads there.

Would definitely love to get some feedback around that area and get someone to assess my riding aye wud be awesome! Cheers bud :soon:

[Karma]

We both work for Telecom and both have ZXR 250's

Where abouts?

[mynameis]

Where abouts?

Um Xtra Business Sales how about you ? :headbang:

[mynameis]

Cheers mate...

Chicken strips are the unused part of your tyre, the part where you havnt leaned over far enough resulting in a strip of rubber around the tyre that hasnt made contact to the road...

Aaah sure blady hell lol eheh coming your way soon dont worry ! :p No hammering me to hard tho give me a fair comment :woohoo:

[Karma]

Um Xtra Business Sales how about you ? :headbang:

Tech support...

[mynameis]

Tech support...

Aaah you have that green ZXR 400 parked at the bottom aye ? Small world lol..eheh but do you have one green rim and one black or wot ?

[Karma]

Yeh that's me... the rim wasn't supposed to be black! Gave it a clean this morning and they're both green now ;)

[mynameis]

Ok can anyone please give me more info on common 400's like ZXR 400 CBR 400 VFR 400 RVF 400 GSXR 400 or any other ones out there.

Who owns them and pro's and cons of the bikes eg. common probs with bikes, how hard would it be to find spare parts ect .. ? Any reviews online about them (Web Links), specs ect..production dates and ones available in NZ.

And most of all which 400 to get and why :p :done:

[Karma]

Well you've seen mine.

The ZXR 400s are great little bikes, very hard to find cheap parts for, and not particularly comfortable over any long distance.

But they look the part, and go fairly fast, so that's good enough for me.

[Two Smoker]

I would look at a:

-ZXR400: Common bike, very strong motor (cam chain can be a problem) and has the most room... Stock it is the most powerful, but is slightly on the weighty side...

-VFR400 (NC30): Huge midrange power making it awesome for road riding. Not as much power as the ZXR but it is lighter in weight. Biggest con is it generally has a 18 inch rear rim making it a bitch to get good rubber for it...and it doesnt have alot of leg room (more than a 250 though)

-RVF400 (NC35): Slightly less power than the NC30 (very marginal though) biggest pro over the NC30 is that it has a 17 inch rear rim and its newer...

Biggest deciding factor... Licence.... After buying a brand new K5 GSX-R600, and crashing it on some oil mid corner... then spending 10 grand and 11 months fixing it because i only had a restricted licence... I would definately have a full licence and full insurance (if i did it again)

HP does not make you faster... To be fast you first have to be slow, and to get faster you have to be smooth and learn how to blend your braking, countersteering and throttle control into one (aswell as corner judgement) Thus it is possible to go faster and better than someone with moderate skills on a bigger bike.

But if the upgrade is really wanted. 400 is the best next step. 0-100kmh in just over 4 seconds, high 12 second 1/4 mile times and a top speed of about 220kmh...

[limbimtimwim]

In addition to what Two Smoker said:

The RVF I find it comfortable to ride all day as long as long as the roads have corners. If the road doesn't have corners, my legs fall asleap in the most horrible way. The clutch feels fine, but work it all day, every day, for over a week and you'll be going to sleep wincing in pain from your fucked left arm. If you get one, learn to clutchless as soon as your can an get into the habit. The gearbox is co-operatative to this sort of use once your get used to it. You go faster like that too. :)

Used parts are expensive and hardish to find. New parts don't seem to be a problem, but hold onto something firm when someone quotes your a price.

[aff-man]

If you're in auckland you would've seen mine.

Check the profile pic, bright green ZXR400L4.

From what I understand (having never ridden a ZXR250) they weigh fairly similar, and maneuver about the same, but are about double the HP ratings.

Well worth picking one up... as to price... sounds about right... don't expect a mint one though, they're getting harder to come by (especially when dicks like me crash them :( )

Ok having owned all three of the mentioned bikes I might as well put my 2c in.

First of all the zxr400 is nothing like the 250. It is a lot bigger and heavier in the corners than the 250 and doesn't handel as well.
The 250 is awesome but you really gotta make her scream and she'll treat ya right. It takes a lot to ride them to thier full potential (been there ... and beyond) The 600 is another kettle of fish all together. If you can honestly say you've ridden the zxr250 to the very limit then you may find it better to go to the 600. I've got a 98 and it handels / the power is way better than my 1990 400 (the 400 are pretty old tech so newer 600's are better) they are about the same "weight" in the corners. You just have to respect the power and size of a 600 more in the tighter stuff.

[R6_kid]

yeh, i know your mate. Hooked him up with a rear shock. PM me if you guys are heading out for a ride, i'll come join you and give you some feedback if you want. And before you ask, no one but me rides my bike... :laugh:

[mynameis]

I would look at a:

-ZXR400: Common bike, very strong motor (cam chain can be a problem) and has the most room... Stock it is the most powerful, but is slightly on the weighty side...

-VFR400 (NC30): Huge midrange power making it awesome for road riding. Not as much power as the ZXR but it is lighter in weight. Biggest con is it generally has a 18 inch rear rim making it a bitch to get good rubber for it...and it doesnt have alot of leg room (more than a 250 though)

-RVF400 (NC35): Slightly less power than the NC30 (very marginal though) biggest pro over the NC30 is that it has a 17 inch rear rim and its newer...

Biggest deciding factor... Licence.... After buying a brand new K5 GSX-R600, and crashing it on some oil mid corner... then spending 10 grand and 11 months fixing it because i only had a restricted licence... I would definately have a full licence and full insurance (if i did it again)

HP does not make you faster... To be fast you first have to be slow, and to get faster you have to be smooth and learn how to blend your braking, countersteering and throttle control into one (aswell as corner judgement) Thus it is possible to go faster and better than someone with moderate skills on a bigger bike.

But if the upgrade is really wanted. 400 is the best next step. 0-100kmh in just over 4 seconds, high 12 second 1/4 mile times and a top speed of about 220kmh...

You're a fucken legend or wot dood summarised it all for me ! :P yeah I've been reading some reviews from owners and others about 400 and yours pretty much summs it all up :) thanx for that mate .. as for my chicken stripes still on the way i m not home now so coming in soon :P:P:P

[mynameis]

yeh, i know your mate. Hooked him up with a rear shock. PM me if you guys are heading out for a ride, i'll come join you and give you some feedback if you want. And before you ask, no one but me rides my bike... :laugh:

Lol you bastard ! ehehe lol nah sweet as bo sounds awesome we will give you a yell when we're out aye bud cheers mate !

[mynameis]

Your way TwoSmoker ! lol :P

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Cheers

[imdying]

And I thought mine were big :o

[Sketchy_Racer]

Sorry mate but all i can say is that you have a looooong way to go before you go get a bigger bike.

[Two Smoker]

Your way TwoSmoker ! lol :P


Cheers

plenty of room for improvement mate... Are you aware of what countersteering is? (Pushing the left clipon to go around left corners and pushing the right clipon to go around right corners)... Understanding this is fundamental to going faster.... If you feel you have entered a corner too fast, dont brake or back of the throttle, just push the respective clipon to lean the bike over further... The bike wont slide or fall over, aslong as your tyres are warm enough, because you have plenty of rubber left to still come over in contact with the road.

I wouldnt upgrade yet mate, not that your not ready for the acceleration or speed of a bigger bike, but that you can still improve in the corners...

This is one of my tyres: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25926&d=1139711247 As you can see no chicken strips...

But you could be happy with tyres that have chicken strips of about 2-5mm instead of the 25-30mm that they currently are... Come on some KB rides or shoot out to the track and have a blat :niceone:

[Karma]

Yeh those strips are pretty big eh... mine are the same, but I've only been commuting since I put the new tyre on.

How about coming out on a coro ride at some point, that's the best practice I've had of how to take corners, plenty of them to practice on :D

[aff-man]

ok ... you got a long way to go before you upgrade,....

I actually went off the edge of the zxr's tyres before realising I needed something that was a bit bigger...

[mynameis]

plenty of room for improvement mate... Are you aware of what countersteering is? (Pushing the left clipon to go around left corners and pushing the right clipon to go around right corners)... Understanding this is fundamental to going faster.... If you feel you have entered a corner too fast, dont brake or back of the throttle, just push the respective clipon to lean the bike over further... The bike wont slide or fall over, aslong as your tyres are warm enough, because you have plenty of rubber left to still come over in contact with the road.

I wouldnt upgrade yet mate, not that your not ready for the acceleration or speed of a bigger bike, but that you can still improve in the corners...

This is one of my tyres: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25926&d=1139711247 As you can see no chicken strips...

But you could be happy with tyres that have chicken strips of about 2-5mm instead of the 25-30mm that they currently are... Come on some KB rides or shoot out to the track and have a blat :niceone:

Woo hoo nice feedback cheers guys ! Espc TwoSmoker um I do understanding the basics of countersteering but dont really do it lol yeah i do slow down in the corners eheh lol..:mellow: seroiusly i dont think i paragraph of explanation will get me there ... we gota organise some rides together someday to polish on those aye ... well already have about 8 - 10 guys on the list hit me up witl details or I will PM you guys and we'll go out for rides aye ! :)

TwoSmoker when are you back o wheels bud ? All the best .. thanx again adios

[Karma]

Just keep an eye for rides posted in the meetings and events thread... weather is a bit hit and miss this time of year, but as summer rolls around there'll usually be a coro loop or two on the weekend you can tag along.

[mynameis]

Sweet sounds good mate, hey again those tyres are brand new as well aye Pirelli Sports Deamons but they arent radial they are cros pliers aye ?

Do you guys reckon that makes a difference and I've ridden less than 1000km on them eh :) maybe thats why plus I've only been on bike for 6 months ehehehe :$

Anywayz just a quick question wot do youzz think of this bike:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=57079204

Good bike ? Handling spare parts expensive or hard to find ? Other thoughts and opinions ? Cheers

[Karma]

1000k in six months? you been leaving it in the garage or something?

Get out there on a ride outta the city and put some proper k's in.

[imdying]

I've ridden less than 1000km on them eh :) maybe thats why plus I've only been on bike for 6 months ehehehe1000kms on the new tyres methinks.

Oh the GSXR400 auction, too much money for the amount of kms imho. Better off with something much later, a 600, say 97 onwards (ZX6R, GSXR600). Still, I'd keep with the ZXR250 myself for a wee while.

[aff-man]

1000k in six months? you been leaving it in the garage or something?

Get out there on a ride outta the city and put some proper k's in.

hahahah to true but to be honest when first riding I was only doing about 6000 km in 6 months now I do about double that....

Ride heaps...

As to the gsxr400... heard that they wern't the greatest of road bikes... You 250 still has heaps to go man It's not all about straight out power. The zxr250 should still have it over that 400 in the twisties.

[mynameis]

1000k in six months? you been leaving it in the garage or something?

Get out there on a ride outta the city and put some proper k's in.

No you fool read properly ! Been riding for six months and have owned ZXR 250 for like 2 months now and got the new tryes like a month ago :p :doh: lol..

[Karma]

Makes more sense... didn't see it parked down the back...

[Two Smoker]

TwoSmoker when are you back o wheels bud ? All the best .. thanx again adios

Lent my road bike to my mechanic until he gets his discs back from F1 Engineering. So hopefully sometime next week...

[mynameis]

Lent my road bike to my mechanic until he gets his discs back from F1 Engineering. So hopefully sometime next week...

Anywayz guys going back to my initial concern about 400's whether to get one or not which I raised originally on this thread.

My main problem is I've spent 6g's on my ZXR 250 and then some more money to get it to it's best (well I hope) and have done the carbs and valves which was done really accurately (valves). New O ring chain, full service, clutch, new brake pads and new set of tyres. Pirelli. This is obviously set me some more smack-a-roo's and I've been outa pocket to get any insurance on it now therefore riding around like a clown without any insurance.

So therefore I am a bit concerned and careful when I ride, though I take it out often and smack it down to 180k's I am just not pushing the bike to it's very limit as I can or should be as highlighted by you guys before because I am extremely paranoid about crashing it, if I do I will be really gutted and shattered!

What I had in mind was obviously selling my ZXR 250 off and getting money back. Then I could go out and get meself a nice 400 for about 3g's half the price and I could then go hard, and even if I do completely fuck up the whole bike up, for argument sake, I wont be as pissed off as I would say if I crashed ZXR250c.

And for less money I would be riding around with something better than ZXR 250 well arguable? lol .. Well it will definitely have more top end power better acceleration and faster with a passenger. And no Two Smoker dont go there forget and ignore the licence bit, I'll deal with that :)

So what are you thoughts and opinions on my plan aye :headbang: any good, pros cons .. sucks .. great idea .. feasible logical .. idiotic.

Opinions please with good reasons of course :) oh and at the same time if youz wana check these out and gimme some feedback aye:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=57218746
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=57079204

How much should I be paying for it say if I were to buy it..common probs and good things about the bikes ect.

Yo Two Smoker the chicken strips of yours, is dat of a road bike or race bike man ? :p you suck ! grr lol .. nah jokes .. thanx for your help so far :)

Cheers

[limbimtimwim]

If you do call about the RVF, ask if the valve shims have been done. They should have been done at about 24,000ks.

[Two Smoker]

Yo Two Smoker the chicken strips of yours, is dat of a road bike or race bike man ? :p you suck ! grr lol .. nah jokes .. thanx for your help so far :)

Cheers

Both... that one came off my road bike... after a couple of laps at puke...

[aff-man]

Hmmm Well I've never ridden the gixxer400... but the vfr/rvf although smaller in size is gutless compared to a zxr400. They have more torque sure but (maybe it was just the one I rode) it revs a lot slower and doesn't "get up and go" compared to the zxr.

In saying that my zxr handeled like shit. I could have spent the $1500 on better tyres, front and rear rebuild bearings etc etc etc to get it going mint but instead I just bit the bullet and bought a cbr600. even though it wasn't as sporty a position the CBR had more power, better brakes and was generally easier to ride (not to mention wheelie).

Oh and my 250 didn't have chicken strips either on front or back. but that also comes down to suspension. I buy ex race tyres that have been to the edge. I manage to get to the edge of the rear... but when I get to about 3-5 mm from the edge on the front the tyre starts to slip.... So don't go throwing a bike right over straight away get a feel for where it's limit is first.

[mynameis]

Hmmm Well I've never ridden the gixxer400... but the vfr/rvf although smaller in size is gutless compared to a zxr400. They have more torque sure but (maybe it was just the one I rode) it revs a lot slower and doesn't "get up and go" compared to the zxr.

In saying that my zxr handeled like shit. I could have spent the $1500 on better tyres, front and rear rebuild bearings etc etc etc to get it going mint but instead I just bit the bullet and bought a cbr600. even though it wasn't as sporty a position the CBR had more power, better brakes and was generally easier to ride (not to mention wheelie).

Oh and my 250 didn't have chicken strips either on front or back. but that also comes down to suspension. I buy ex race tyres that have been to the edge. I manage to get to the edge of the rear... but when I get to about 3-5 mm from the edge on the front the tyre starts to slip.... So don't go throwing a bike right over straight away get a feel for where it's limit is first.

Hey thanx for that aff-man definitely some useful insight on it aye. Cheers for that mate, as for the gsxr 400 and zxr 400 I guess I wouldnt know unless i ride them. There's a gsxr 400 on Trade Me but k's are high. 0oh well see how I go.

As for countersteering I am doing it a little bit now when commuting but you cant really..on those roads to Auckland CBD. When the weather clears up will take it out back ways albany village and try some real stuff lol..good luck...eheh

Cheers man

[mynameis]

Both... that one came off my road bike... after a couple of laps at puke...

Dood what do you think about what I outlined before good move or bad ?

[Gremlin]

You should be able to see counter-steering in action from 30kph and upwards, but to be sure, it will definitely be affecting the bike and handling from 40kph.

[scracha]

You should be able to see counter-steering in action from 30kph and upwards, but to be sure, it will definitely be affecting the bike and handling from 40kph.

Everyone counter-steer's? If you don't counter steer on a motorcycle it doesn't go round the bendy bits.

[mynameis]

Cheers for the help and info so far guys, just a quick story almost fucken had it on Friday nite when I was going to my Mrs place on New North Road.

This fucken cunt pulled a U turn right in front of me and yes it is a very busy road with 2 lanes on each side. There's a set of traffic lights where you turn left and go down to Mount Eden Motorcycles. Just after that light, went down first gear and then second was at about 50k’s, just after this dood on the left hand side pulled right in front of me to do a U turn. He was parked on the side before.

Slammed on my brakes hard and the back tyre skidded from one side to the other for about 10 meters and there were cars behind me. I thought I would slam him but just missed him by inches. Wot fucked me off me was he was doing a runna aye. Didn’t bother stopping to see if I am alive or not or to say sorry but ran the red light.

Got on my bike followed him banged on the window he still wouldn’t stop. Kept following him and I hit his window really hard! He still wouldn’t stop so had to speed up cut his way and then he stopped and got outa his car and I stepped out. Was gonna knock the fucker down aye but didn’t, was serious road rampage! Called the cops they came over statements blah blah blah and gave him a $150 ticket only! Grrr ... Not being racist or anything but he was a blady China man! And I've had encounters with them before. Made me :sick: to my stomach!!!

[aff-man]

As for countersteering I am doing it a little bit now when commuting but you cant really..on those roads to Auckland CBD. When the weather clears up will take it out back ways albany village and try some real stuff lol..good luck...eheh

Cheers man

depends on how you commute man:innocent: :innocent: :shutup:

Sorry to hear about the experience... just add it to the many that you'll have while biking.

[crash harry]

No-one's mentioned the FZR400 yet...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-57069071.htm
They really go for a 400, and I found the one my dad had to be quite easy to ride hard. Make sure you get one that still has the EXUP valve in the exhaust though, some people seem to think that Yamaha just put it there for fun or something - I've ridden one with it in and out, and it's got way more torque with it working properly.