KB racing sponsorship yet again! [Archive]

MadDuck

15th May 2006, 21:53

Over a few beers at the weekend it was kinda hinted to me that there may be a few kBers out there that want to help some of our racing fraternity but arent sure how to go about it.

So it got me a thinking and feel free to shoot me down as you lot always do :laugh:

How about a KB fund for racers from donations from any KBer that wants to help but really doesnt want to be the "Water Bottle" carrier so as to speak.

I would be happy to head such a move but given I have associations with a particular race team I dont want to be seen as favouring one side over the other.

A representative from Auckland, Wellington and the Mainland decide if the racer/rider should get the funding help.

I dont see it as replacing you racers as getting out there and geting your own sponsorship but kind of a helping hand when its required.

While its the down season maybe its time to chuck a few ideas around

Sketchy_Racer

15th May 2006, 22:00

And maybe some of the 'richer' racers can help out the budding racers with 'stuff' and advice. They are worth alot.

Keep the ideas flowing.

(BTW im number 47 in Streetstock 150 :p)

babyB

16th May 2006, 00:03

And maybe some of the 'richer' racers can help out the budding racers with 'stuff' and advice. They are worth alot.

Keep the ideas flowing.
(BTW im number 47 in Streetstock 150 :p)
puts hand up would appreciate someone to sitdown & talk/discuss/answer racing/riding stuff ...to me it would be worth more any money/sponser.
(i struggle for $ to be on track, but that is just part of racing...we do the best we can couse we lov what we do)

Kwaka-Kid

16th May 2006, 06:46

sounds like a good idea to me madduck, so whats the next step - a volunteer to administer it all?

Sparky Bills

16th May 2006, 08:57

And maybe some of the 'richer' racers can help out the budding racers with 'stuff' and advice. They are worth alot.

Keep the ideas flowing.

(BTW im number 47 in Streetstock 150 :p)

Richer racers?? Is there such a thing?:laugh:

Even talk to some of the shops to see if some kind of discount offer could be sorted out.

I can have a talk to the boss to see wht Motomart could do to help.

The Stranger

16th May 2006, 09:02

Only problem I couldn't square away with this approach is the site. It shouldn't draw funding away from SpankMe.

Paul in NZ

16th May 2006, 09:03

Well...

What would help is a list of who is racing, what class, last placings, meetings scheduled etc.

Paul N

The Stranger

16th May 2006, 09:31

Not shooting you down madduck.

Isn't it duck season?
Ok seriously, in terms of distribution don't you (as in the administrators of the fund) set and publish criteria.

That can include a demonstration of commitment, to exclude fly by nighters. A demonstration of talent so as to exclude dreamers. etc etc.

loosebruce

16th May 2006, 09:31

Yea good idea for sure, but harder than it sounds, imagine if everyone put in $3-$5 each it could go a long way, myself and pretty much every rider who races would be used to a tight budget, so even a little bit of money can go a long way, Frosty was onto a decent idea in setting up Team Kiwibiker, with memebers only, once an actual team had been set up, group buys of tyres, parts, and other race stuff can become cheaper, and people can see where and who there money is going too, KB could be quite a force out there on the tracks of NZ, there are some very skilled riders already there and coming through the ranks.

DemonWolf

16th May 2006, 09:40

Depending on the funds collected. Instead of giving funds to any particular racer.. how bout the funds are used to purchase items that are generic to racers.. i.e. tyres, or oil, petrol

and then at each meet, particular racers that are in need of help (they need to put a case in to request help) will then be helped with these items (if the funds are enough). then next meet the next set of racers can be helped.

This system would then not favour any racer.. but they will need to make a case to be put into the pool of racers that KB help with racing!

DemonWolf

16th May 2006, 09:42

and as others have mentioned.

KB can then be used for a group buy.. which would give alot of people quite abit of buying power with decent discounts.

enigma51

16th May 2006, 09:53

sounds like a good idea to me madduck, so whats the next step - a volunteer to administer it all?
Wrong person mate as bruce always said he has deep pockets with short arms! :Pokey:

enigma51

16th May 2006, 09:58

Not shooting you down madduck, but just bringing a little perspective in for consideration.
As good an idea over a few beers is, they're often a lot more difficult to fulfill in reality.
OK so someone sets up a KB bank account (I have one, thats easy to do).
Then you gotta convince people to contribute, thats a bit harder, then you put it in the bank, and how much you got? Well not a great deal really, I wouldnt think.
Lets say we do get some dollars.. who gets it?? Darryl?, LooseBruce,Kk, TS, keystone,motobob,k14,frosty? The list is endless, I have only mentioned nearly half.
Madduck, you mentioned that it would be possibly seen as favouritism because your associated with Frosty. Well her in lies the problem with everyone... We all have alliances with one or the other. Some support Chris, others KK, others Ds3 or Keystone... Where do you draw the line??
So with that problem in mind how or who would distribute these funds??

As I said the idea is good and I'm not shooting it down, just bringing some reality and balance to the conversation. Something to consider and come up with a solution before people part with ther hard earned pingers.

Okay lets do a another idea rather than helping individuals lets do a KB race "help". People put in money and at every event the money goes to lunch coffee and if the money is realy good we can buy those shelter thingy's and all the kbers that are in the event has a "roof" or lunch or what ever. Maybe keep spares like tyre warmers and stuff so that if one of the racers has a problem we can help out!

Sketchy_Racer

16th May 2006, 10:05

enigma51

16th May 2006, 10:15

DemonWolf

16th May 2006, 10:49

OR,

The Biggest problem at the moment for a few of us is Pits.

The money could be used to hire a set of pits or a huge EzUp. Then we can all get together and work as one really big race team. Something that will attract a lot of attention. The more attention you attract the more sponsers will like it !

well ......... yea. i dunno

I like this idea as well. get under the KB umbrella as it were. People are easily accessibe and help can be given.. of course not all KB'ers would want to be there... but I think its a good idea to start with =)

SwanTiger

16th May 2006, 10:53

sugilite

16th May 2006, 11:00

I've always found the sponsorship thing really hard. When I was young I lacked confidence to go and find it, and now I'm a old bastard I'd feel like I would be stealing lollies from kids pockets! :weird:

I like the shared resources idea floated by a few already.
That would get rid of the clicky groups and associates thing.
The idea of a huge ezi up or two done in KB colors would rock my world.
I was thinking, a decent sized generator could be hired for tyre warmers, Power tools etc...
If there were funds left over from that level, then maybe subsidized fuel could be looked at.
Hell you could put on a ezi up for KB Race Supporters with the KB coffee machine and "V" cooler lol.
This would not just be good for the racers but KB as a online/offline community in general.

When you think about it, the huge money is in merchandising in cage racing.
It would be cool to see KB merchandising at KB HQ trackside.
This could even be expanded later to KB racers having their own t-shirts for sale so their adoring fans can show their support. I feel there is a lot of potential there. :ride:

sugilite

16th May 2006, 11:11

puts hand up would appreciate someone to sitdown & talk/discuss/answer racing/riding stuff ...to me it would be worth more any money/sponser.
(i struggle for $ to be on track, but that is just part of racing...we do the best we can couse we lov what we do)

Good point babyB. I'm quite happy to talk to newbie racers or even KB race supporters on any aspect of riding.
Rule of thumb at race meetings for me is, if I'm working on one of my bikes, say hi and keep moving lol, if I'm sitting or standing there with a vacant expression on my face, feel free to stop and talk bikes/riding!
I'm number #73 superbike and post classic bikes (Green ones ):laugh:

Two Smoker

16th May 2006, 11:24

I don't see the point in funding people who are already "in" racing as its obvious they can already budget/affoard it.

A better concept would be to encourage the huge pool of talented riders who are members of this site to begin racing.

On top of that, or as a more practical idea, it'd be good to have PRIZE MONEY for races so that people have to affoard themselves into an event/series and prove it (i.e. win/place well) to earn that prize money.

I part agree with you... Yes others should be encouraged to race from the huge pool of talented riders out there (I note N4CR as one that could, and recent ones such as Loosebruce and dss3)...

BUT.... Just because i race doesnt mean i am financially off/can afford it or budget for it... Starting racing isnt too bad if you start in Street stock, but once you get up into the higher classes (mainly F2 and superbikes and to a slightly lesser degree F3) the costs are huge... Personally I put absolutely all of my earnings into racing, I dont go out hardly at all if ever (luckily i have a supportative g/f) and i have HUGE debts... My account at the bikeshop hasnt been below $2000 in the past 8 months... I constantly give them money, but i also constantly use tyres, chains, break things etc resulting in the bill increasing. Even though i havent raced in two months im still no where near paying off my bills and recovering financially...

But back to the important part.... Some wicked ideas... there is ofcourse problems with "Who do we give it too" and to give a couple of ideas to that solution... you can give money/things to people that have done really well in their respective class. Or you buy bulk things that many can use (like suglite said) ie generators, eziups etc (these things costs $1000's by the way)...

Hoon

16th May 2006, 11:27

I like the KB pit idea better than dividing up money to certain racers. Racing is expensive and I can't see the money going far. If 100 people put in $3-$5 each, that would buy 1 tyre. However $500 could also buy a tent, diesel generator and tyre changing equipment.

If a Team KB were formed, I believe the money would be better spent on equipment (tents, compressor, generator, trick tools etc) not consumables such as oil, tyres. That way all KB racers gets to benefit.

Another benefit of a KB Team would be pooling of resources. 2 bikes in one van would half the travel costs. For example say if TS brought a generator then I wouldn't need to fork out for one, instead I could buy a compressor instead and we could all use them.

babyB

16th May 2006, 11:44

Good point babyB. I'm quite happy to talk to newbie racers or even KB race supporters on any aspect of riding.
Rule of thumb at race meetings for me is, if I'm working on one of my bikes, say hi and keep moving lol, if I'm sitting or standing there with a vacant expression on my face, feel free to stop and talk bikes/riding!
I'm number #73 superbike and post classic bikes (Green ones ):laugh:
but thats the problem, race/track day is not the time for indepth descussions, as you said we are buzy with sorting our bikes & stuff....
theres a thought ,id open my home (when i find a new 1) to round table discussion night(s).

my winge at the moment is i would need a child-minder at taupo new track ....not the place sorry

SwanTiger

16th May 2006, 11:46

I part agree with you... Yes others should be encouraged to race from the huge pool of talented riders out there (I note N4CR as one that could, and recent ones such as Loosebruce and dss3)...

BUT.... Just because i race doesnt mean i am financially off/can afford it or budget for it... Starting racing isnt too bad if you start in Street stock, but once you get up into the higher classes (mainly F2 and superbikes and to a slightly lesser degree F3) the costs are huge... Personally I put absolutely all of my earnings into racing, I dont go out hardly at all if ever (luckily i have a supportative g/f) and i have HUGE debts... My account at the bikeshop hasnt been below $2000 in the past 8 months... I constantly give them money, but i also constantly use tyres, chains, break things etc resulting in the bill increasing. Even though i havent raced in two months im still no where near paying off my bills and recovering financially...

Well this is where I was heading with the Prize Money idea.

Its a bit like natural selection, only the top riders who WIN will get the money and be able to pay for tyres, engine parts and so forth. Those who don't win get pushed out of racing or into lower classes where it is cheaper.

The ones who win and earn the rewards can progress. Heaps more people would give racing a go if there was $20,000 to be won over a series.

What is the point in giving someone $5,000 for racing and they get no where.

I think this is what NZ racing lacks... lots of ambition and no reward.

Thats just hand outs and it matches our society! (and the Government) and look where that is heading.

Sketchy_Racer

16th May 2006, 13:33

yep your onto it swanny.

There is no reward for all the money you put into it.

I am a lucky one. A very lucky one. My bike is sponserd 100% fuel and all.

I have to pay my entry and travelling cost. Even that is still $200 each meeting. I make $80 a week at the moment and there is a race every month. Not much to spare huh...

The rest of my money is spent for fuel to get to work and college. and new bits and pieces. My parents don't help me at all. they will lend me small amounts of money, but i have to pay it back.

But for me the reward of racing is doing good and having SO much fun. The amount of fun i have is unexplainable. On a scale of 1 - 10 it would be 10000.....

I know its a harsh reality. But the fact (as you pointed out) there is not much use giving the slowest falla there $5000 to go round a track on a F2 600cc machine when he can do it on a streetstock for $200 a race meeting.

Others, like Vtec, who are proving them selves to be very quick riders SHOULD get the money. To a Degree anyway.

I really really like the idea of getting a KB Pit though. It wouldnt be compusory that if you were a KBer that you have to be there. But i think most would like the idea!

-RG

motobob

16th May 2006, 19:38

Interesting thread madduck. There are many opinions on how the money (of which there isn't any) should be spent. The first point should be does the average KB'er want to support racers who are on the KB forum. If they do then what benefits would they like to see. What the 50 to 100 KB racers want is secondary.

If they want wins then they should forget about KB and send their donations straight to Sam Smith. Easy huh.

Want to support a talented KB racer. Then a short list of riders from all over NZ should be drawn up. What defines a KB racer, list of requirements needs to be formulated.

Want to support the great unwashed without whom the talented guys look good against. This is the hardest. $5 doesn't go far but they appreciate all the help they get.

What events and or classes should be supported.

If a fund is available should it be split various ways.

Decisions required. Committee needed, Presumably this discussion is about road racers so what about other disiplines.

I know it is a lot of questions but direction is required from those members who would like to contribute to the proposed fund. So far I haven't seen any.

On to another idea, the racer fraternity should form a "race committee" to chase after those elusive dollars. Which is where this thread appears to be heading.

FROSTY

16th May 2006, 20:00

And maybe some of the 'richer' racers can help out the budding racers with 'stuff' and advice.
RICHER RACERS :killingme :killingme RICHER RACERS:killingme :killingme
OMG --I AINT HEARD ANYFINK SO FUNNY
ya mean more broke racers doncha?
nahh mate -I get ya point ---Stuff more experienced racers dont even think about are a total eye opener for "newbee" racers.
I'm more than happy to offer any advice my limited experience can help with.

babyB

16th May 2006, 20:04

RICHER RACERS :killingme :killingme RICHER RACERS:killingme :killingme
OMG --I AINT HEARD ANYFINK SO FUNNY
ya mean more broke racers doncha?
nahh mate -I get ya point ---Stuff more experienced racers dont even think about are a total eye opener for "newbee" racers.
I'm more than happy to offer any advice my limited experience can help with.
so when ya comming ta see me....ill even supply lemon tea
good old fashoned advice is all im after

i dont expect the the RC club to give me $ for being a member so i sure dont expect $ from KB for racing......imho if ya wanna give $ give it to Spankme for keeping this site running for all to enjoy

Sketchy_Racer

16th May 2006, 20:12

FROSTY

16th May 2006, 20:16

Heres my opinion.If people want to contribute to a racer,race team or an event thats bloody fantastic. I dont begrudge any other KBer getting support/sponsorship from fellow KBers.
Ive seen several Kbers putting their money where their mouths are and help/support a racer or team.
One thing I believe is we need to take Wari's racer profile thread and maybee take it to a logical conclusion.
As an example heres my profile
FROSTY here. l I started out racing in the mid eighties on bucket racers.
My first races were at a long gone track created on the Wiri container terminal on a honda MB50
I moved up to a cb125 then found a bucket that actually handled -a suzuki rg50.
My first big bike racing was on a RD250LC Back in 1980 summat in a long gone class called 250 production.(250 two stroke ) I moved up to a later model 250 then raced a 600 and a couple of other bikes Including an old xj750 police special. I was always mid field with the occasional bit of brilliance (OR LUCK) that shot me to the front.
I did a street race at manukau city and a few national rounds. I think I even threw a whole national series together one year.
I had a couple of decent crashes close together -one road then one on"the hill' at puke that smashed my left shoulder to the point my left arm diddnt work propperly and damaged my neck.
After a 10-12 year layoff Im back racing again -
I did one full season on a 1989 zxr400. I learned a heck of a lot and managed to finish third overall in formula 3 and pre89 in the amcc club series.
This season I swapped over to my carbied SV650
I did the full AMCC club series and the full PMcc club series
My Amcc series went well with a 5 first place finishes in Formula 3 and an overall series win in Formula 3 in the AMCC series.
Next step is to do the full national race series. I'm planning on do so this season (06/07)
Ultimately my aim is to race in the Isle Of Mann --Its a lifetime long dream that I hope to realise within the next two years.
This all takes money,organisation and the talent to get there -well Im working on the talent bit.
I WILL GET THERE --YOU JUST WATCH ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anybody on KB is looking for a racer to support either personally or through their company I'm definitely keen.
What I can offer is
Naming rights to my team gear -bike/leathers/race van
Bike,race van and leathers only at the moment have metzler stickers on them.I'm happy to promote a sponsors product or company with stickers and by nameing them as my major sponsor at any event I attend.
At this point my bike is going to be repainted and could be painted in a sponsors colors.
There are also other ways I would apreciate assistance. Footpeg/gear shifter/footpeg bracket/crash bung manufacture. The actual painting of the bike.Maitainence of my race transport van.Tyres -I need 10 sets this season at about $500 a set.
This is an example --Some folk want to be involved and need it to be a two way street

MattRSK

16th May 2006, 20:21

anyone keen on sponsering me with some cheap race leathers. I am 6' 2" and 65 kg. Want to go streetstock racing but cannot afford the mandatory race leathers on top of everything else. Thanks

Racey Rider

16th May 2006, 22:15

I still don't see why KB'ers that don't race would want to push money at Kb'ers that do. Whats the difference if someone said, "I going on a South Island tour. Would KB Racers like to fund me?"
It's Our hobbie,, we should pay for it or find sponsorship ourselves.

I'm all for us finding our own Sponsorship and thats what I am endeavoring to do. If there is a hand out I'll except it (Thankyou), but I feel better about a two way benefit, where I provide my sponsor with something in return.

Any KB racers fund could bring resentment if certain people in charge had to choose who the money should go to. And we don't need that do we.

A KB fund for pit covers, tyre changing gear, coffee machine for all Kb'ers to use sounds doable to me.
Is there anything we as racers can do to contribute to this fund????
Dare I say -- do flag Marshalling for car club events to make money for our Fund??

Is there someone with the right contacts who could steer Big business sponsorship in the direction of some KB racers.

Racey

R6_kid

17th May 2006, 00:44

im considering running a bloody sausage sizzle on weekends just so i can raise funds for

A race bike of some description
Extra cash to help with entry fees etc for next season

and thats not to mention the fact that i wash bikes for anyone that asks so i can free up cash to pay my old man back for the R6 (the main thing stopping me from racing at the moment)

All this is on top of 20hrs+ a week working, a fulltime uni schedule and extra study.

Realistically i know that until i am in a fulltime job i wont be able to afford the kind of racing i want to do (F2 on a 600), but what i do really want is just to get into it, whether it be F3, Pre 89, or streetstocks. That way i will have a basis to move on for when asking for business sponsorship (eg, this is what i've done, rather than this is what i want to do)

So personally if such a fund were to go ahead, i would support it being a shared thing for generators, tents etc... Thats a few less expenses for EVERYONE. I can see this working in the North Island, with Aucklanders doing AMCC, PMCC and VMCC club series all over the North Island, but its the equipment to the South Island, or vice versa... so if we went this way do we buy two lots to keep both lots of people happy, or does one group of racers just get to miss out?

MadDuck

17th May 2006, 21:54

Well there ya go.....its sure as hell is duck shooting season yet again:woohoo:

1) CaN I would not envisage this as taking any money off the site. I see it as boosting the site as a community helping each other.

2) I would not only see this as supporting exisiting riders but up and coming riders that need a helping hand. Like I say NOT REPLACING SPONSPORSHIP!!!

3) I offered to administer this as a bean counter I think Im kinda qualified to be a tight ass with money. Along with 3 neutral KBers not into racing.

4) I would expect any KB racer receiving funds to promote the site and thus help with numbers etc...

5) Racey ...it was the begining of an idea - yeah SM over a beer but aint that the best way ideas are formed.

If such a thing should ever get off the ground (which I doubt due to the negative response thus far) Then all options would be considered. I thought of TS and his crash at Puke and as a (MAYBE) we could have helped him get new leathers, gear...etc.... to help get him back going. Although I know this was sorted by other KBers in private

It seems no matter what suggestions are offered you guys just want to see the negative.

Gareth let me know when you wanna run ya sizzle...I'll be there to butter your bread ...just dont expect me too cook anything :spudflip:

MattRSK

17th May 2006, 22:05

Gareth let me know when you wanna run ya sizzle...I'll be there to butter your bread ...just dont expect me too cook anything :spudflip:
Good on ya :2thumbsup

Quasievil

17th May 2006, 22:38

Well my view is if you want to support a racer, then simply do it, we dont need a freckin committee and all the trimmings which will cause grief amongst those not in favour or on the recieving end. If there is a racer who interests you then support him, offer to buy him some tyres run an auction etc etc etc, it aint hard.
I personally have supported a few guys on here mostly cause they are mates and I felt like it, now however Im a bit more business minded about it, I support only two racers, one being Dss3 and the other being Me
However in saying that I will put on the table one piece race suits at a hugely discounted price of $550 (to Racers only) but their is a catch, QUASiMOTO will be all over them (thats what I get) but you can choose ya colors and design it yourself (within reason) and not to mention it is made against my specification which is better than most big brand name gear.

In saying all that crap, If I am in a position to help anyone, Im all freckin ears! why? because thats what KB is about, and for me I get more out of helping than I would out of spending the money on myself anyway (not that Im loaded though cause I aint)
so People pick a racer and go for it and if you cant decide then choose me cause I suck and I need more power to whip frosties arse next season.

MadDuck

17th May 2006, 22:45

I am picking you missed my idea or concept. Cant say I didnt try.

Some people cant afford to go one on one with a racer. Hell you go up to Mr Quasi or Mr TS and say hers 5 bucks hope that helps?

Its ok I got the message and I will support one racer next season.

Kick his arse if you can Mr Q......:laugh:

SwanTiger

17th May 2006, 23:26

cause I suck and I need more power to whip frosties arse next season.

If I can help it i'll be there to whip both your arses :woohoo:

Racey Rider

18th May 2006, 08:41

5) Racey ...it was the begining of an idea - yeah SM over a beer but aint that the best way ideas are formed.

If such a thing should ever get off the ground (which I doubt due to the negative response thus far) Then all options would be considered. ...

It seems no matter what suggestions are offered you guys just want to see the negative.

Yes MadDuck it IS a good idea.
I think your being a bit hard on us, we have given a good Balanced review of what 'we think' your suggesting. Yes some of the negitives have been mentioned, Balanced with some positive ideas. Surly it's all part of looking at a idea,, to see it from all angles and get input from others.

Racey Rider

18th May 2006, 09:12

Well...

What would help is a list of who is racing, what class, last placings, meetings scheduled etc.

Paul N

If you look under the racing threads, all that infomation is there. We are often writing race reports to let KB know what we're up to, how we're going.

Two Smoker

18th May 2006, 09:17

I too think that through reading this thread, there is three options...

1: Use the money on a winning basis ie, give the money to those people that did well in their respective classes. But there are asociated problems, such as how much money per racer??? A streetstock racer wont need nearly as much money as a superbike racer etc... There also needs to be a commitee (neutral as you said Madduck) to make this decision...

2: Use the money in a more community based way... Such as buying a generator, or a couple of eziups, a BBQ to make sausage sizzles to raise extra money for the KB racers etc... You still need a commitee to decide what to buy again, but it doesnt have to be neutral as it doesnt reward one particular racer...

3: If you have the money, pick your own racer. You would be surprised what is on offer as a business oppurtunity from some racers/race managers. But if you focus on a single racer/team (ie Muppet Racing) and buy then a set of tyres each for their next 2-3 meetings (thats if they last that long) then do that... Chucking all you money at Sam Smith isnt all good... He is a very talented racer, with HUGE backing, including a factory sponser... If you want to help him, you are talking big dollars (10's of thousands)

I see this thread being good in the long run... Keep the ideas flowing, and when there is enough ideas, there needs to be a commitee nominated and a decision between whether we use Option 1 or Option 2 or other options if they are viable... This can be done by a simple poll done on KB...

Sketchy_Racer

18th May 2006, 09:25

I still think that the EZups and generators etc are the best way to go. It is the most simple and everyone gets the same amount of benifit from it.

Plus it would be cool to have teh KB racers group together. It would attract alot of people. Which is very good for people that have other sponsers!!

Racey Rider

18th May 2006, 09:34

Ok, lets take this another step, and see where we get.

(please correct me where I'm wrong)
MadDuck has proposed a KB Racing fund.
She suggests there are KB'ers interested in contributing to this fund to help out in exchange for KB promotion.
People have shown a interest in having items pro cued for General KB'ers use from that fund.

I, being a KB racer won't be part of that committee once operational. But I do have time to help set it up.

MadDuck has volunteered to be the accountant for 'KBR Fund'.
Do we have a Ya or Na to that from you lot?
I haven't meet MadDuck myself yet, so if anyone would like to make a 'Confidential character assessment' of MadDucks suitability for this position, you can PM me. I will give a assessment of peoples thoughts without naming names.
(Sorry MadDuck,, it's just a good formality so this don't bite you in the arse later. Just step out of the office while we discuss your promotion type of thing).

Racey Rider

18th May 2006, 09:40

Next we need some nominations for other non racing KB,ers to join the 'KBR Fund' Management.

EDIT: Purhapes it would be better to hear from those interested in being involed in the management, rather than just asking people that may not be to keen in the long run???
How shall we do it?

Then when we have a short list, we can have a poll to confirm who gets in.

Two Smoker

18th May 2006, 09:56

MadDuck has volunteered to be the accountant for 'KBR Fund'.
Do we have a Ya or Na to that from you lot?

YA... 10 Characters...

crashe

18th May 2006, 10:03

MadDuck has volunteered to be the accountant for 'KBR Fund'. Do we have a Ya or Na to that from you lot?

Ya
:woohoo: :ride:

Sketchy_Racer

18th May 2006, 10:18

YA from this guy

babyB

18th May 2006, 12:23

Ya from here

sugilite

18th May 2006, 12:59

Ya from here

FROSTY

18th May 2006, 14:08

The basic concept is good--the issue really is---whats "fair"??
Was It fair when a certain KBer paid for my race entry on 15 march
Honestly NO It wasn't -did I deserve it --well I think I did-but then I would wouldn't I -- Did I apreciate it --SHIT YEA.

One thought here --waaay off in left feild. How about every KB racer has an account number available to put funds into --You would be amazed how far $5.00 can go when its multiplied by 50

Also another thought --what about rather than racer sponsorship how about EVENT sponsorship --like the KB rally etc

Quasievil

18th May 2006, 14:55

Also another thought --what about rather than racer sponsorship how about EVENT sponsorship --like the KB rally etc

We have had a range of sponsorship by way of prizes etc for the rallies to date. I would be keen on the next one to go further with it, but the KB members need to get into it a bit more, ie last one was way below what we should have got 65 people or something, piss poor effort really, if you want sponsorship you need the numbers to maximise exposure for the suppliers or sponsors yeah?
See how the next one goes, there will be another in the early warmer months

Racey Rider

20th May 2006, 07:44

Any futher comment on this from the weekend watchers??

Bert

20th May 2006, 10:40

Any futher comment on this from the weekend watchers??

I think that Team KiwiBiker is fundamentally a great idea. But, we do have three distinct road racing groups, Auckland, Vic and CC. So if we buy one set of gear or sponsor one rider how do the rest of the groups benefit?
I like the idea of buying gear for the masses rather than sponsoring one rider, this encourages a team co-op rather than individual (there is enough track time for this).

So the question is to be asked, what benefit do I have joining Team KiwiBiker?
Logic prevails:
Cooperation. Cool. I’m all for that.
Sharing resources, I keen to share my tools and resources to like minded people.
Understanding and experiences. Sweet I know sh!t all about racing and I enjoy talking to people.
United front, - enabling a group of people to benefit or gain sounds good.

So how can we make Team Kiwibiker work?
Maybe we could organise each racing group into a sub Team KiwiBiker, ie Team KiwiBiker Vic.
The overall Team KiwiBiker administration group approaches national potential sponsors.
For a start ,
First: say Hirequip. – a large marquee with their logo all over it and one or two generators.
This can be their sponsorship contribution. It hasn’t cost them anything but the potential loss of profit during the required days; it hasn’t cost Team KiwiBiker anything.
We get an area to cooperate under (pit together) and stand out. Also this provides a starting point for future sponsorship from other organisations as the benefit / potential can be seen. (a BIG tent stands out).
Second: a Radio station, (sounds strange but) if a radio station will send out one of their roaming staff, then potential sponsors can be seen (I’m mean heard) on the radio. This gives a platform for barter with sponsors. “This is what we can do for you !!”
Third: we need to look at what sponsors can do for each other. (back to my point about barter), see if we can get discounts for our sponsors with our other sponsors. Then they also win

Sub Teams orginise :
Each sub group approaches local organisations / companies. Such as bikeshops (discounts), pie shops (my fav – as I’m a pie man), petrol stations(discounts), wholesale meat (for Team BBQs and fundraising), and maybe a drink supplier. And a Pub (we have to get together and talk sh!t:drinkup: ). The list go on
As the Team will have a marquee then there is plenty of room for advertising. (It is a BIG Tent)
These small options/sponsorship give the sub team the little things that cost the racer money on the day. Generally we don’t even factor these things into our racing budget.
I don’t ever think that we will get enough sponsorship to cover our racing – but is that really what we want ???

So how do we join Team KiwiBiker?

We, I think we also need to support the website. This conversation wouldn’t even taken place with out it. So buy a KiwiBider Race pack (I know this doesn’t exist) but here go’s
KiwiBider Shirts, with your name and number, you and your pit group
KiwiBiker Stickers, for the Bike
KiwiBiker Patches, for your holy leathers
Cost = a little more than normal to cover a donation to the website and Team membership

Anyway That’s my two cents.
Having evolvement in sports club committees and ongoing problems faced with sponsorship under lovely Helen’s new legalisations its not easy to make these things work.
Feel free to Shot me down, but it was only an idea and/or a different approach.
Bert

motobob

20th May 2006, 10:49

Chucking all you money at Sam Smith isnt all good... He is a very talented racer, with HUGE backing, including a factory sponser... If you want to help him, you are talking big dollars (10's of thousands)

I see this thread being good in the long run... Keep the ideas flowing, and when there is enough ideas, there needs to be a commitee nominated and a decision between whether we use Option 1 or Option 2 or other options if they are viable... This can be done by a simple poll done on KB...

Hah got yah. This was a tongue in cheek comment aimed at those that want to support winners. There is only a handful of guys that fall in this category and they are all well supported (for NZ anyway).

MattRSK

20th May 2006, 11:55

I really think Bert is on to something. I would really be keen to help out with anything. I mean I dont do anything thing else apart from work and riding, so it makes sense to me.

Racey Rider

22nd May 2006, 19:26

Ok, so I've had six votes for, one vote against (no reason given).
And nobody showing interest in being part of 'KBRacing fund' management.

I guess You could try forming something MadDuck, perhaps give us names of KB'ers you'd like to work with to make this happen. As you haven't been online since your last comment, we wait to see what your feelings are on the idea now?
If you would still like to go ahead with this idea, we could create a thread looking for peoples to join you and see what we can achieve.

Another thought I had was the fund could buy things that both racers And Track day riders could use, like a Transponder system. (one or two units could be shared around). Or to Book Group discounts for a Dyno Day.

Thanks to those who have offered comments.
Cheers.
Racey.

Titanium

22nd May 2006, 22:26

I support supporting an up and coming rider that is showing talent at grass roots racing. There must be someone out there who fits the bill.

In recent years I have supported racers in another form of motorsport by supplying a multitude of items (PWC's to race, transport to and from events, entry fees, fuel, wrenching on world class craft to the wee small hours of the morning in the hot Arizona desert, the list goes on and on) think I shelled out well over 75k in 5 years.

Would I support a pro racer? no! you need to run what you brung and have the budget to support it.

I might be new to KB, but not new to motorsport.

Simple question - What would KB community get in return for its investment in sponsoring a rider? Actually the word sponship sucks, it is all about the money, support is better, it has a lot nicer ring to it and can mean many things.

I'll hang around the tracks a bit more, already got my eye on a couple of young riders that could benefit from some support, what ever that may be.

Having also been a motorsport club administrator, sponsorship co-ordinator, event co-ordinator for 3 years I know how hard it is to organise succesful events and teams.

Oh yeah, I think I taught Mad Duck to SCUBA dive......

Cheers

Peter

MadDuck

25th May 2006, 23:25

I have stayed away from the thread as it seemed to get a negative reponse but on revisiting it might be worth trying to get this off the ground.

First I would need to clear this with SpankMe - its his site afterall. I dont want to see racers joining the site just to cash in "so as to speak". And I dont want this to be seen in anyways taking money from the site.

I have an idea on who will be the decision makers. Senior KB members who have no affliation with racing. If SpankMe agrees I will PM those KBers and ask if they are willing to help....its ok there will be no committee meetings and the political bullshit associated with committees.

Peter if thats really you...shite what a small world! Do you still have that hot pink dry suit ?

Kwaka-Kid

26th May 2006, 06:26

Good stuff MadDuck :)

Titanium

4th June 2006, 08:57