KBers as role models [Archive]

yungatart

17th May 2006, 17:46

The_Dover

17th May 2006, 17:49

I actively encourage young riders to take off as many wing mirrors as possible.

That way whenever some cunt hears a bike coming they are alert, if only cos they don't want to lose another wing mirror.

Fact is most car drivers are about as alert as Cheech and Chong after a hard night in Tijuana.

Big Dave

17th May 2006, 17:53

how that comes across to the other young ones on here?

I hope it makes them aware of the need for eternal vigilance and the potentialy fatal nature of the consequences.

festus

17th May 2006, 17:53

I'm sure a majority of KBers drive cars (cages), and are the better drivers for it since they ride.......I certainly am, so not all cage drivers suck!...:Punk:

Karma

17th May 2006, 17:57

Soon as I get my own car I'll have a KB sticker on it.

"My other car's a bike" kinda thing.

FROSTY

17th May 2006, 17:57

Hmm dover --kettle an pot situation innnit?
YT -I rarely comment on the cager population mostly cos its so commonplace up here for cagers to do dumb stuff. Honest Injun
I really don't think its sunk in to the younger guys-- the ol headstone story.
On the bikers headstone --Yep he had right of way pity the car driver diddnt realise that !!!!

HDTboy

17th May 2006, 17:57

I'm with you Crazy Lady

froggyfrenchman

17th May 2006, 17:58

yungatart

17th May 2006, 17:59

Dover, that is EXACTLY what I am talking about! Your energy would be far better directed at encouraging them to be more vigilant and less aggressive.
I also believe that not all car drivers are like that, but i am aware that a good number are - so we need to encourage the positive behaviour. It will lower our stress levels on the road and maybe give us a good profile out there.

The_Dover

17th May 2006, 18:00

Hmm dover --kettle an pot situation innnit?

Eh? If you mean Tijuana, then yeah ok. I've never hit a car in my life though, some crazy bitch did drive into me once though, as I was taking off from a green light facing her.

Motu

17th May 2006, 18:09

. But 90% of the time it is the cagers fault.

Yeah right.....It wasn't you on the black Ducati who pulled out in front of me on the dark wet morning the other day was it?.I'm sure I would be at fault seeing as I was in a 4x4.....maybe I should of plowed him under,get rid of one more ignorant sprotbike rider.

froggyfrenchman

17th May 2006, 18:09

I really don't think its sunk in to the younger guys-- the ol headstone story.
On the bikers headstone --Yep he had right of way pity the car driver diddnt realise that !!!!

Even if it had sunk in, we are all big kids here. If you are old enough to get a licence, you are old enough to make your own desisions.

Each rider is resopnsible for deciding to speed, lane split, kick in mirrors or pull wheelstands. If you are incapable with living with the consiquences of these actions choose to not do it.

None of us can be acused of clouding the good judgment of others on here.

If you cant make your own choices, get off the road

Skyryder

17th May 2006, 18:15

Do you ever think when you post your rant about useless ****** cagers and how they are ALL blind, decrepit, as thick as two planks, shouldn't be on the road etc etc, how that comes across to the other young ones on here? Do you ever stop and think that when it is the fifth time this week,that it has happened to you, there is a fair chance that you are doing something wrong! Do you ever think that maybe you could ride in a better position on the road, ride more defensively, and be more aware of those around you and the hazardsyou are likely to meet?
All I am trying to say is that when, day after day, there are posts on here about useless cagers and how it is ALWAYS ALL their fault, that you nearly got toppled from your perch, that we are sending the WRONG messages to young/newbie riders.We should always encourage defensive riding and calm thought, rather than revenge, anger and road rage. We should encourage all riders to look at what they could have done differently to avert a (potential) situation and to talk about it on this site.
It would be nice to occasionally read how because a rider was thinking ahead, looking ahead and riding defensively, they averted potential disaster long before it would have happened.
There is enough aggression out there on the road already. Motorcyclists ALWAYS need to remain clear headed, calm and rational - THAT IS HOW WE STAY ALIVE!!

If you didn;t make so much sense I'd be taking the piss out of you by now.

Good post Young........

I think most here ride reasonably sensibly. It's just that by the time we get to post our comments up here 'bout some cadger did this or that we have been converted from bikers to fisheremen and it all gets a bit exagerated. Well that's my excuse.

But on a serious note I'm reminded that in most cases I'm faster than the cage and I ride with the attitude that I can get killed just as easily when I'm in the right as I can when I'm in the wrong. That in it's myiad of applications would be my number one riding philosophy.

Skyryder

Stay sharp........stay cool...........stay alive.

yungatart

17th May 2006, 18:20

None of us can be acused of clouding the good judgment of others on here.

There is a kind of peer pressure here.. and it does sway the thinking of young ones.
I'm not denying that in 90% (an arbitrary figure) of acciidents involving car vs bike, it will be the cars fault. BUT there is often an indication that not all is as it should be, and that is where some on KB are lacking. Almost always, there is something that the rider could have done - if he/ she had been more aware/vigilant and noticed things. I don't think that advocating wing mirror removal or doors kicked in would be as effective as encouraging eternal vigilance and awareness.
I would rather be right and alive than dead right - so what if it costs you a little bit of time - your'e a bloody long time dead anyway..

Badcat

17th May 2006, 18:27

There is a kind of peer pressure here.. and it does sway the thinking of young ones.
I'm not denying that in 90% (an arbitrary figure) of acciidents involving car vs bike, it will be the cars fault. BUT there is often an indication that not all is as it should be, and that is where some on KB are lacking. Almost always, there is something that the rider could have done - if he/ she had been more aware/vigilant and noticed things. I don't think that advocating wing mirror removal or doors kicked in would be as effective as encouraging eternal vigilance and awareness.
I would rather be right and alive than dead right - so what if it costs you a little bit of time - your'e a bloody long time dead anyway..

KB is not a creche.

Two Smoker

17th May 2006, 18:28

I sort of agree with you YT... But have you noticed that the majority of complaints come from Auckland and Wellington... Two highly populated cities full of wankers that wont give an inch in their cars...

I used to have your attitude, and say "I must ride more defensively and anticipate situations" Now its changed to "I must ride more defensively and anticipate situations... But if they do something wrong and be a wanker about it, bye bye mirror (or if im in a car) Dent dent car..."

Finn

17th May 2006, 18:45

Cars are not our friends. Friends don't try to kill you. They are the enemy and should be treated as such. Wing mirrors - one shot, one kill.

Macktheknife

17th May 2006, 18:46

Good point YT. But TS also makes an important one, big cities= small brain drivers.

Here lies the body of Johnny Lay
who died defending his Right of Way
The judge said he was right all along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong

I see no point in worrying about right and wrong unless there's a lesson to take from it. Im much more interested in worrying about what will keep me alive. As for the young ones, I hope they all have enough sense to know the difference between keyboard rhetoric and on-road survival. Anyone of us could have been venting about some perceived injustice by a tin top but at least we are here to do so. I myself have removed a mirror when I felt it was needed, Ive have also just carried on along ignoring the idiot who will surely cut themselves short soon enough.

Ride safe and be happy.

MSTRS

17th May 2006, 18:50

We do have close calls all the time, its the nature of riding. But 90% of the time it is the cagers fault. I kick mirrors and also encourage others to do the same.

This thread dosnt have anything to do with master hxc's incident the other day has it?
When we read this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=614407&postcount=1 and hear hXc's tales of woe (same sort of thing), we have to pose the question "Who is responsible for the biker's safety?" If you ride in expectation of trouble, no doubt you will find it. Or if you ride defensively, probably you will avoid trouble.
Obviously, things can go wrong at anytime and catch us out, but surely the object is to minimise the risks?

Skyryder

17th May 2006, 18:54

Here lies the body of Johnny Lay
who died defending his Right of Way
The judge said he was right all along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong

Amen to that.

Every biker should be able to quote that before getting their licence issued.

Skyryder

James Deuce

17th May 2006, 18:57

MSTRS

17th May 2006, 19:04

It's your OWN fault 100% of the time. You CAN and SHOULD avoid every close call.
Can't agree entirely, Jim, But I know what you are saying. In the normal scheme of things, there are clues all around us as to what is going to happen - here, there, wherever - before we arrive at that spot. It is up to the rider to be aware & 'proact' (as opposed to 'react') to avoid trouble.

James Deuce

17th May 2006, 19:12

I've never had an accident that wasn't mostly my fault, despite all of them being legally the fault of other road users, except for one that was a combination of damp, diesel, and clay. Even with the obvious clues to a dodgy road surface I still screwed it up.

I'm only here because of luck and learning from those experiences. I had a close call this morning, but the skills I've learned that have become reflex saved me. It doesn't matter that the car in front braked to a sudden stop on the motorway in slow traffic while I was changing lanes, with no obvious threat to them personally. I'd followed the person down the length of Dowse Dr and mentally noted how poor their driving was. I should have been a little more vigilant around this person, but I don't understand why it is compulsory to remove their mirror. It's a criminal act, and one that I would be keen to see go through the courts if I saw a motorcyclist do it. One moment we're whinging about the poor public image of motorcycling, the next people are actively advocating vandalism of someone else's property as an act of "justified" vengeance.

Stop wasting energy on things you can't change and celebrate the fact you're still allowed to ride a motorcycle by lanesplitting off into the distance.

Sketchy_Racer

17th May 2006, 19:19

KiwiBiker Role Models!! :killingme :lol:

You've got to be kidding me.

We couldn't teach a Kid to fart correctly if our life depended on it!!

But in all seriousness.

You are very right. I'm a young "kid" and It affects my thinking about other drivers around me.

NhuanH

17th May 2006, 19:29

I like role playing. Most days I prefer submissive, but when feeling whimsical I can be the dominator.

thealmightytaco

17th May 2006, 19:38

I like my role's filled.

With chicken, tomato, and lettuce.

NhuanHnHHuaNahhNHhauuahNNnahahNNuauahanH is the shizzle dizzle.

Badcat

17th May 2006, 19:40

I like role playing. Most days I prefer submissive, but when feeling whimsical I can be the dominator.

yes, and i believe Maurice is still in therapy after your last rendezvous.

Phurrball

17th May 2006, 19:41

When we read this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=614407&postcount=1 and hear hXc's tales of woe (same sort of thing), ...
Obviously, things can go wrong at anytime and catch us out, but surely the object is to minimise the risks?

The post that link points to refers to a particularly uppsy-downsy nasty piece of Road in Dunedin (London St) where issues are compounded by road design. I'm sure that Gamgee learned a valuable lesson, as did hXc with his 'follow home' incident.

It's hard for KB to lead young'uns astray when they're '10ft high and bulletproof' anyway. Nothing teaches like experience and a few years under the belt - why I'm glad I'm learning now, and not in my teens. No amount of super-wise posts on KB can change the 'immortailty' of youth, nor will 'ill advised' posts worsen the situation terribly much IMHO.

Now that I live in Auckers, I fully understand people's need to vent if they ride on the roads up here.

'Tis a deranged and dangerous zoo out there.

When needed, one yells, flips the bird, sounds the horn etc to vent one's feelings, then one disappears into the distance...and maybe has a rant on KB to help commiserate with fellow bikers that understand.

'Tis a fact of life here.

MSTRS

17th May 2006, 19:47

The post that link points to refers to a particularly uppsy-downsy nasty piece of Road in Dunedin (London St) where issues are compounded by road design. I'm sure that Gamgee learned a valuable lesson,

So it should be ridden with that in mind then, shouldn't it?

Now that I live in Auckers,...'Tis a deranged and dangerous zoo out there.....'Tis a fact of life here.
And here...in fact, everywhere.
One of the points that Yungatart was making was that not all of the idiots on the roads are in cages.

NhuanH

17th May 2006, 19:49

yes, and i believe Maurice is still in therapy after your last rendezvous.
That was definitely a dominant day.

Quartida

17th May 2006, 20:00

One of the points that Yungatart was making was that not all of the idiots on the roads are in cages.

I have to agree. Since getting involved - sort of - with biking I've had a lot more respect for bikers out on the roads. I'm super vigilant about checking everything - including leaving enough spaces at traffic lights for people to lane split - to make sure that I am not the cager who gets stuck into on KB when something goes wrong.

But bikers get it wrong too. We can't all assume that just because it's often the cages' fault that therefore it is ALWAYS the cages fault.

Example (fortunately not one that cost anyone a arm, a leg, or a life): Sitting in traffic the other day, I was second from the lights. All of a sudden, a huge thump from my right-hand side. WHAT THE HELL? Adrenalin rushes, as it does when you're in a car and you feel a thump (whether you're stationary or not).

And what does it turn out to be? A nice red sprotbike...that had hit my car while lane splitting. I think he must've hit my wing mirror because I couldn't see any damage later...but it gave me one hell of a fright. And did the guy give a little nod or wave to apologise? Or even acknowledge that he had just hit my car? Nope. Not a thing.

If the situaion had been reversed no doubt there would have been threads all over the show about the "dirty Lancer driver who bloody hit my bike..."

Mr Skid

17th May 2006, 20:00

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He's my role model.

His name's Rick James, bitch.

Skyryder

17th May 2006, 20:06

Stop wasting energy on things you can't change and celebrate the fact you're still allowed to ride a motorcycle by lanesplitting off into the distance.

Sounds about right to me.

Skyryder

Edbear

17th May 2006, 20:17

Maybe I'm a bit of a Nana on the bike but I haven't had any close calls with car drivers in the past 18 mths since getting back on a bike. I've always driven/ridden as though I'm invisible and always assume the other person hasn't seen me. Contrarily to most postings, I am generally treated with courtesy by car drivers on the road. As I come up behind them, they usually notice me in their mirror and often pull left slightly to allow me to pass safely. Maybe I'm not travelling as fast as most bikers, and I give plenty of room when I overtake. I'm patient and courteous to them too. Being on the road every day in truck, I see more than my fair share of idiot drivers and the general reaction is far better to my bike than to my truck. Youngatart makes a good point as do others here. Perhaps some riders are more agressive than others or just want to enjoy the performance of their bikes, but unfortunately the open road is far from a closed track.

Colapop

17th May 2006, 20:18

Those of us that are parents have a responsibility to our children. To bring them up safely in as safe an environment as possible. And then send them out into the world to become part of the race, where everyone (it seems) is out to get them. We, as parents, should try and prepare them for this place. We can only do so much. We can't live their lives for them, they have to do that themselves.

The 3 three R's
Responsibility for your actions
Respect for others
Respect for yourself

I believe these things apply to all of us.
Col

R6_kid

17th May 2006, 23:40

in real life riding most of us are good role models, well the information we will pass on face to face would atleast lead us to be able to be seen as role models.

But on KB, there is so much BS, and pisstaking that anyone that didnt know this before hand would believe that most of us are GhostRiders prodigy. I got red rep for taking the piss in hXc's thread - whoopdy fucking do. He's old enough to be on a bike, and old enough (i assume) to be on these forums. As for any other teenager/any aged member of this site, surely if you are old enough to be on a bike (and therefore be different to the other 99% of people at school) they should be old enough to make a judgement themselves.

I dont see why i should be trying to a good samaritan 100% of the time if thats not what i am. I ride like a twat sometimes, but i know that in my head, i also know somewhere else in my head that what im doing is dodgy/dangerous and thats MY choice, not something that anyone else imprinted into my conscience.

I share a mixed view, probably close to that of TS. These things happen, and as a rider you HAVE to be prepared/expecting it, otherwise you arent riding defensively. There are two ways to deal with said wankers - get over it and get on you way, or make something of it and hope you are bigger/tougher than him. The choice is yours, ride it your way, but do it safe.

Lou Girardin

18th May 2006, 08:12

MSTRS

18th May 2006, 08:43

I sure don't want to be a role model.
I'd feel guilty about all the dead and injured who didn't meet my lofty standards.
As for cagers, make them respect us through fear. Show weakness and they WILL try to kill you.
Whether you want to be or not, you are a role model. As are we all. Like it or not, most people are who they associate with. I'm not saying that we are all naive and believe what we read etc, but it is the rare individul who is not influenced to some extent. It is easy for the less experienced (read 'younger') members to get the idea that ALL cagers are homicidal maniacs AND that ALL bikers have a duty to 'educate' said cagers by means of mirror removal etc.
There is a big difference between riding assertively and aggressively.

Smorg

18th May 2006, 08:54

KB is not a creche.

thats it im going home

Hitcher

18th May 2006, 09:57

I take full responsibility for every fright and near miss I have ever had involving a cager. Heed well the words of the Prophet, St Aaron Slight: "The bastards can't see you and if they do, they'll try and kill you."

My mistakes have been to give the "bastards" the benefit of the doubt, assuming they have 20:20 vision and that they care. Never assume any cognisance or compassion and heed the words of the Prophet at all times.

Biff

18th May 2006, 10:14

Nothing wrong with slagging off piss poor cage driving IMO. It raises awareneess of the dangers we face ever day.

Insanity_rules

18th May 2006, 10:20

Nothing wrong with slagging off piss poor cage driving IMO. It raises awareneess of the dangers we face ever day.

Thats it on the head there. Keep your eyes open and understand the risk factor.

By the way Biff I look forward to your international insult of the week, very funny.

DMNTD

18th May 2006, 10:36

It is easy for the less experienced (read 'younger') members to get the idea that ALL cagers are homicidal maniacs..

Although I agree to an extent with your other points I disagree with this one.
In my opinion it is better to teach that cagers are out to kill us all therefore raising the awareness that we as bikers must ride defensively...
As far as wing mirror removal,driver bashing etc...well I'm not totally innocent there but if an incident is bad enough,IE: some twit nearly kills you and then has the audacity to give you shit,why not clip their mirror or slap them? I mean they nearly killed you! :mellow:
No I'm not talking about "minor" mistakes...I'm talking serious life threatening.
So am I a good role model? Possibley not...

James Deuce

18th May 2006, 10:47

Although I agree to an extent with your other points I disagree with this one.
In my opinion it is better to teach that cagers are out to kill us all therefore raising the awareness that we as bikers must ride defensively...
As far as wing mirror removal,driver bashing etc...well I'm not totally innocent there but if an incident is bad enough,IE: some twit nearly kills you and then has the audacity to give you shit,why not clip their mirror or slap them? I mean they nearly killed you! :mellow:
No I'm not talking about "minor" mistakes...I'm talking serious life threatening.
So am I a good role model? Possibley not...

By all means treat every other vehicle with the disdain they deserve. I'm actually more concerned about sharing the road with other motorcyclists than all other vehicles, particularly those motorcyclists that insist on their right to "undertake" on twisty roads.

Why not slap their mirrors off? Because it can invite unwanted Police attention and a court date. A near miss isn't illegal (without proof of dangerous driving, et al - and if you've just damaged someone's car the witnesses may not be all that kindly disposed toward you - "What near miss?"). Vandalism is.

MSTRS

18th May 2006, 10:49

Although I agree to an extent with your other points I disagree with this one.
In my opinion it is better to teach that cagers are out to kill us all therefore raising the awareness that we as bikers must ride defensively...
As far as wing mirror removal,driver bashing etc...well I'm not totally innocent there but if an incident is bad enough,IE: some twit nearly kills you and then has the audacity to give you shit,why not clip their mirror or slap them? I mean they nearly killed you! :mellow:
No I'm not talking about "minor" mistakes...I'm talking serious life threatening.
So am I a good role model? Possibley not...
Hard to say in a sentence or two what one really means....yes, we must be aware at all times of the risks posed by retards in cages, but the truth is that it is a relatively small proportion that fall into this category (just as it is a relatively small proportion of bikers who are dickheads too). The trick is to pick them BEFORE they take you out, and yes this is not always possible, but for the most part the rider should be master of his own destiny. In the right circumstances I'm all for educating those who seek a diploma in roaduser awareness. Just be sure that none of the incident had anything to do with what the rider was(n't) doing.

Dooly

18th May 2006, 10:52

I've always regarded other road users as all wanting to kill me when I rode/ride on the road.
I'll just carry on with that attitude, and take it as it comes.

Beemer

18th May 2006, 11:50

I agree with your sentiments. None of us is perfect and we all make mistakes whether we are riding or driving. Some are little ones but some have terrible consequences. I am guilty of the odd rant (mostly about slow drivers rather than ones I have to suddenly brake for) but I have also seen some absolutely appalling riding behaviour - the most recent last night on the way home from Palmerston North. About one or two kilometres north of Shannon I was one of the last cars in a long line of traffic stuck behind a small truck. Heaps of oncoming traffic (it was about 5pm) and we were all doing between 90-100kph so I wasn't that worried about getting past it. I noticed a bike coming up behind me so I considerately kept well to the left so he could pass if he wanted. He did, no wave but I'm used to that, but then he stayed in the oncoming lane, despite there now being yellow lines. He passed about four or five vehicles then pulled in, only to pull out again just north of the narrow bridge on the edge of Shannon - not only were there yellow lines, but it's effectively a blind brow so I wasn't impressed. And what did he do when he got into Shannon? Immediately turned left into the first road! So if anyone knows a tosser on what I'm pretty sure was a KTM with a rego that ends in something like TOI, tell him this kind of behaviour does nothing to make other road users respect motorcyclists.

As for all these posts about "this silly (insert whatever you want - woman, Asian, old man, young man, blonde, etc) braked suddenly and I nearly killed myself avoiding a collision" - you have absolutely NO ONE to blame but yourself. If you can't stop safely in the length of road VISIBLE to you, you need to slow down and take more care. Just stop and think what would happen if it was a cop in an unmarked car you nearly ploughed into rather than the object of your derision. Try telling a cop it was his/her fault for braking suddenly!

MidnightMike

18th May 2006, 11:54

I actively encourage young riders to take off as many wing mirrors as possible..

Sweet if some assholio cut me of and i crash ill take off his wing mirror, and beat him with it. :argue: :bash: (kidding)

But I have to say, as one of the younger members of kiwibiker what you others say is pretty influencial. (sp)

aff-man

18th May 2006, 12:03

Me... I'm no role model.

But then again although I've seriously thought about it mever removes a wing mirror. I have stared in a few windows though. Bottom line.. I'f we were in a cage , the cagers wouldn't pull some of the scarey shit they do. Because we are on bikes they think they can get away with more / don't see us/ act differently. So should we moan and bitch about cagers who do stupid things. Sure. Are we totally innocent of stupid behaviour. Of course not.

But the bottom line is. Role model or not bitching raises awareness. You don't have to do what we do, you just, If you choose to, can take heed of our experiences.

Lou Girardin

18th May 2006, 12:41

Whether you want to be or not, you are a role model. As are we all. Like it or not, most people are who they associate with. I'm not saying that we are all naive and believe what we read etc, but it is the rare individul who is not influenced to some extent. It is easy for the less experienced (read 'younger') members to get the idea that ALL cagers are homicidal maniacs AND that ALL bikers have a duty to 'educate' said cagers by means of mirror removal etc.
There is a big difference between riding assertively and aggressively.

Oh sorry, I forgot the pisstake smilie.

festus

18th May 2006, 12:42

Sweet if some assholio cut me of ill take off his wing mirror, and beat him with it. :argue: :bash:

But I have to say, as one of the younger members of kiwibiker what you others say is pretty influencial. (sp)

What's with the bullshit about taking off a cars wing mirror? What do you gain from this absolutely stupid act?. And beat him with it??.....:tugger:

Riders are hard to see, and so you must ensure you're seen, so things like your headlight on, bright reflective clothing, riding so you can be seen (not riding in their blind spot) are just a few examples to ensure your safety, as above we are the masters of our own destiny when riding. Taking someones mirror off is bullshit, and I'm picking those that reckon they have or would are full of shit!. Firstly you'd have to be doing a nice bit of riding to get your foot out, balance the bike and then kick it off the car , secondly if you succeeded and it was my car, you'd be promptly run over!..........

Just ride defensively and be seen.........

Big Dave

18th May 2006, 12:43

What are you going to do anyway affman - hit them with some really heavy calculus?

You notice that the older ones amongst us - me biff jim all say the same thing.
Do not trust car drivers. Anticipate that they will fuck up

Don't get angry about it. just do what motorcycles are best at and get out of Denver - split, vamoose, fuck 'winning' and get on with enjoying life and the fact that you are riding a motorcycle.
Getting all het up about some dick in a tintop can have far more impact on your life than 'a right of way' or a 'didn't see you' deserves.
Tell them politely it's because you didn't LOOK or gesture your concern - if you must,
Then ride away and enjoy life aware that there are plenty more of them out there.
There's no point you can prove. dats da fact jack.

SPman

18th May 2006, 12:51

It would be nice to occasionally read how because a rider was thinking ahead, looking ahead and riding defensively, they averted potential disaster long before it would have happened.

I thought that was just how you ride - I normally do.
Anyway - wheres the fun in posting
" Today, I went for a ride and, NOTHING HAPPENED! No stupid cage tried to run me off the road! No SUV tried to run me over at the give way sign! I wasn't cut off by a cell phone using business twat! There was no nasty gravel on a corner which almost sent me off the road! NOTHING! ... Because I saw it all unfolding early and neatly avoided it!"
Nah - no fun at all! :drinkup:

MSTRS

18th May 2006, 12:55

Oh sorry, I forgot the pisstake smilie.
Wasn't getting at you. Really.:Pokey: Have a :drinkup:

aff-man

18th May 2006, 13:05

What are you going to do anyway affman - hit them with some really heavy calculus?
.

You seen the size of my eng. text books?? It'll lay the sucker out... Yeh usually not to fussed with idiot drivers . Unless they are intentionally trying to piss me off.

Gixxer 4 ever

18th May 2006, 13:31

Interesting. What happened Zac?
We are all at risk but we know that when we push the bike outa the shed. The only thing we can do is ride sensibly when out with young people. A lot of posting here is BS. Hence you don't see me here often.
However I also ride with a group of fast bikes and I can say some of the activities of this group are far from safe. That's life and I am sure I have heard the comment " you f**ken bike riders" as I have passed them at warp speed with bugger all room to pass cos of the corners and other traffic. I do not recommend this type of riding to anyone but when the ride is cranked up to warp speed it is hard not to take part if you are young or dum. And as you know YT I am not young. Bikes and demon's go together and young people just go hard. I do not want any young rider to go down but when they are out on the bike they are responsible for their own lives and no one can blame the posting on here. I hear the story's the boys bring home. I never went more than 110kmh. Yea right. How did you get to Taupo in one hour 2 minutes.OOOOOps.
Cos my boy rides I wish they would take it easy. I do not want to plant him in the ground but boys will be boys. Don't thrash it when out with them. Don't swop BS storys when they are sitting around haveing a beer with you all. Set an example and that's about all we can do.
Hope all is well MSTRS. We need to get together some time and have a ride. Are you going to Taupo on Sunday? Just for a look?

Motu

18th May 2006, 14:23

I thought that was just how you ride - I normally do.
Anyway - wheres the fun in posting
" Today, I went for a ride and, NOTHING HAPPENED! No stupid cage tried to run me off the road! No SUV tried to run me over at the give way sign! I wasn't cut off by a cell phone using business twat! There was no nasty gravel on a corner which almost sent me off the road! NOTHING! ... Because I saw it all unfolding early and neatly avoided it!"
Nah - no fun at all! :drinkup:

Just like my ride reports - went for a ride,had a hell of a lot of fun and went home again.My rides are full of hidden dangers every step of the way,that's how I like it.''I saw it all unfolding early and neatly avoided it'' - I like that....and that's how it always should be.

Ixion

18th May 2006, 16:18

Just like my ride reports - went for a ride,had a hell of a lot of fun and went home again.My rides are full of hidden dangers every step of the way,that's how I like it.''I saw it all unfolding early and neatly avoided it'' - I like that....and that's how it always should be.

Yep. Or else "I stuffed up. Sorted it out, cos I had some reserve, carried on".

Trouble is, youngsters think that's boring. Cos, like, nothing HAPPENS. You just get on, ride, get to your destination , come back again. Young ones want EXCITEMENT. In the "good old days" ™ we used to get excitement from breaking down. Just getting home, with most of the bike y'set out with, was a pretty good achievement.Nowdays, bikes are so reliably boring. So all that's left for excitement is going fast.

Send any of 'em that want excitement round and I'll send them out on a twisty road on Petal. That'll give them enough excitement for a long time

Motu

18th May 2006, 17:21

I guess it's pretty exciting when they run out of gas because the fuel guage was reading wrong - but that's the bike shops fault,they should of picked that up on the last service and fixed it for free.....now they are going to pay for the towage and loss of income.

mstriumph

18th May 2006, 17:37

..............As for all these posts about "this silly (insert whatever you want - woman, Asian, old man, young man, blonde, etc) braked suddenly and I nearly killed myself avoiding a collision" - you have absolutely NO ONE to blame but yourself. If you can't stop safely in the length of road VISIBLE to you, you need to slow down and take more care. Just stop and think what would happen if it was a cop in an unmarked car you nearly ploughed into rather than the object of your derision. Try telling a cop it was his/her fault for braking suddenly!

Beemer, mebbe what is being said in this forum is less important than why it is being said? :apint: f'rinstance ...

people need to rant
people have a near-miss, for whatever reason, and need to let off steam about it
people need to talk themselves down from the adrenaline-high they came in off the road with
people need the companionship of the like-minded
....
and some people need to feel superior than others by telling 'em what to do

all these needs are catered for here on KB - it's convenient, effective and soooooooooo much cheaper than either therapy or bubble-wrap!!

ALL HAIL THE GREAT SPANK!!!!
:first: :Punk: :not: :grouphug: :hug: :clap: :sunny:

Gixxer 4 ever

18th May 2006, 17:57

Thanks for the heads up MSTRS. What Yungatart said is correct. People just need to go out and ride and enjoy the ride. As so many have said here look around you and stay at a speed that works to give you room. No point blaming anyone else if you are on da road in pain. Enjoy riding. Riding should be fun and you should come home pumped and happy.

Ixion

18th May 2006, 18:09

Swoop

18th May 2006, 19:54

Fuel gauge. Woz zat ? Is that like what you have in , like CARS ?
It's wot them poofs on them "new" type bikes 'ave!
Probably tells 'em when their Latte is at the right temperature as well an' all...

Motu

18th May 2006, 20:20

Even my old VW's didn't have a fuel guage,you put a stick in to see how full it was,they even had a reserve tap.

SlowHand

18th May 2006, 23:53

I like role playing. Most days I prefer submissive, but when feeling whimsical I can be the dominator.

Message from Mr Dainese

forbidden cookies for anyone that can find the original album cover

scumdog

19th May 2006, 00:28

scumdog

19th May 2006, 00:31

Even my old VW's didn't have a fuel guage,you put a stick in to see how full it was,they even had a reserve tap.

Aw c'mon, my Bambina at least had a 'low-fuel' warning light!!!!

Ixion

19th May 2006, 00:35

The Model T Ford not only had no fuel guage, the tank was under the seta. To check the fuel you had to get everyone out, remove the seat, find a bit of stick to poke in it. What a hassle that was.

scumdog

19th May 2006, 00:37

Beemer, mebbe what is being said in this forum is less important than why it is being said? :apint: f'rinstance ...

[LIST]
[COLOR="black"]people need to rant
people have a near-miss, for whatever reason, and need to let off steam about it
people need to talk themselves down from the adrenaline-high they came in off the road with
people need the companionship of the like-minded
....

Most of my job would satisfy the above - but I guess most KBers know better than to believe that!!

Gremlin

19th May 2006, 00:38

You don't hear many of the good stories because.... well.... I'm not going to be posting 12+ stories a week on how I had a good ride, maybe a couple of minor things that I hardly bothered about etc.

I certainly don't consider myself a role model, but I can see how it could happen, especially when you are new, and wanting to latch onto anyone handing out good advice. However, you do try to hand out good advice when people ask...

At the same time tho, I have had some close calls, one extremely close, where I was totally in the wrong, and others where the cager was in the wrong, but if I had been acting "normally" (in a cage sense), the problem would most likely not have existed.

meh, we try to educate cagers on being ultra aware of us, and sometimes we succeed, sometimes we don't. Ultimately, the dangers are part and parcel of biking, and its up to you whether you want to play or not.

hXc

19th May 2006, 17:15

Message from Mr Dainese

forbidden cookies for anyone that can find the original album cover
Would it happen to be Spinal Tap's, "This Is Spinal Tap" album cover?

Hitcher

21st May 2006, 17:42

Would it happen to be Spinal Tap's, "This Is Spinal Tap" album cover?
Indeed it would, but not the original version of the cover.

Also known as the Black Album after Polymer bowed to demands from retailers such as Sears and K Mart to block out the "sexist" cover. The original cover depicted, in the words of Polymer rep Bobbi Flekman, a "greased, naked woman on all fours with a dog collar around her neck, and a leash and a man’s arm extended out up to here holding on to the leash and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it." The band had considered the cover a gag, with Ian noting that their original concept included something much more provocative than a glove. David: "You know, if we were serious and we said, ‘Yes, she should be forced to smell the glove,’ then you’d have a point, but it’s all a joke." Nigel: "It is and it isn’t. She should be made to smell it, but..." David: "But not, you know, over and over." After seeing the Black Album for the first time in Milwaukee during a sound check, the responses ranged from Ian’s "simple, beautiful, classic," to Nigel’s "It’s like a black mirror" to David’s "It looks like death" to Nigel’s "How much more black could this be? and the answer is ‘None. None...more black’ " to David’s "This is something you put around your arm. You don’t put this on your fucking turntable." Ian, nevertheless, declares the album as a "turning point." The black cover has often drawn comparisons to the Beatles’ "White Album," as well as their infamous "Yesterday and Today" butcher cover.

NhuanH

21st May 2006, 22:10

Indeed it would, but not the original version of the cover.

Also known as the Black Album after Polymer bowed to demands from retailers such as Sears and K Mart to block out the "sexist" cover. The original cover depicted, in the words of Polymer rep Bobbi Flekman, a "greased, naked woman on all fours with a dog collar around her neck, and a leash and a man’s arm extended out up to here holding on to the leash and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it." The band had considered the cover a gag, with Ian noting that their original concept included something much more provocative than a glove. David: "You know, if we were serious and we said, ‘Yes, she should be forced to smell the glove,’ then you’d have a point, but it’s all a joke." Nigel: "It is and it isn’t. She should be made to smell it, but..." David: "But not, you know, over and over." After seeing the Black Album for the first time in Milwaukee during a sound check, the responses ranged from Ian’s "simple, beautiful, classic," to Nigel’s "It’s like a black mirror" to David’s "It looks like death" to Nigel’s "How much more black could this be? and the answer is ‘None. None...more black’ " to David’s "This is something you put around your arm. You don’t put this on your fucking turntable." Ian, nevertheless, declares the album as a "turning point." The black cover has often drawn comparisons to the Beatles’ "White Album," as well as their infamous "Yesterday and Today" butcher cover.
Do you think it would sound good played at 11?